 Welcome back to the breakfast and plus TV Africa. We look at the second conversation this morning. We stay on the issue that's actually brewing in a kitty state. That's the PDP crisis in a kitty state ahead of the governorship elections, which is stipulated for June 2022 18th to be precise. Aspirants on the platform of the People's Democratic Party have rejected what Congress is to elect ad hoc staff in each of the wards in this particular state. And so we'd be looking at this crisis and what it holds for the elections and the People's Democratic Party in the kitty state. We do have a guest joining us, gentlemen. Dioran Oduyemi, he's a deputy, former deputy national publicity secretary. It's good to have you join us this morning. We also have Lira. All right, thank you for joining us. Lira Olenka is also the director of Media and Publicity BC Color Wale Campaign Organization. It's good to have you join us as well. And from a commissioner for information, a kitty state is also joining the conversation. Landry Oguyusi is good to have you join us this morning as well. Yeah, good morning. Even though you're much later in my name, I'll take it by that. It's all right. Apologize. Apologize, please. OK, so let's get straight to the conversation right now. Can you kindly tell us what's happening in a kitty state as regards the elections and what's going on with the People's Democratic Party? Is that to me? Yes, sir. What's going on in a kitty state is a test for democracy and it's a protest about the election, which is a combination of theories of the division within the party over all issues. It's an ability to talk with one voice. First, it's about who is the leader of the party that went on for so many months and then this and then came this Congress. There's been so many peace parties by National Working Committee, but the outcome National Working Committee and this one, there was a time that we had a character committee, which are all aberrations to the system. But it seems that there is no end in sight to the division within the party. The recent one was the one of yesterday where when you say aspirants protested, I will not subscribe to that. I will say the people, some members of the party protested their inability to vote, not inability to win, but inability to vote because democracy assumes that minority, even though may not have their way, but they should have their say. And when you no longer have your stay within a party that is your party by choice, then something is seriously wrong and it is time to draw attention to that. I think that was other than that, there is nothing unusual happening within the party. All right, what is the fundamental issues or what are the fundamental issues with the processes that led to the election of the three delegates in each of the 177 wards? What is seen to be the problem with the process? The problem with the process is that politicians by and large have become something like an investment in Nigeria, not something to represent the people's interest first. And so therefore everyone is desperate to become governor, become senator. And then the more the experts introduce mayors like spreading in representation, the more people try to buy these representatives wholesale. And that is exactly the problem. How can somebody predict that 531 people would vote for them and not tomorrow, but in months time? So it's a monkey game, it is supposed to be you elect the three accord delegates and appeal to them to vote for you. But people believe that if you put A, it is not going to vote for me. So put B, it is more likely to vote for us. Sometimes they are put on oath. And I'm not saying it is stated though, that's not good for democracy. So democracy is to be, you have to pass away the people, not force them. So what we have mostly iniquity now is garrison politics, where people, you think this person is not on my side, so it must be excluded. So we also have largely politics of exclusion. And I think that is the problem. Okay, let's also bring in Dinra Odayemi to the conversation. It's a former deputy national publicity secretary of the People's Democratic Party. Can you also tell us what in your own sense and understanding what is going on currently with the People's Democratic Party? What is going on in the United States is a normal thing in politics, where you see people who fail to accept the field, where you see people who are eager to get into office without doing their homework properly, where you see politicians who believe that they just must get there at all costs. These are the all marks of what is going on in iniquity politics. I was once the secretary of the Caretaker Committee with the commissioner described as adoration. If he knows the constitution of PDP and the composition and the operation of PDP, you will know that it is a normal process in PDP. So this gave me an opportunity to know them very well iniquity. You see, iniquity, they have this personal characteristic of not listening to or not following order, or not accepting defeat, not taking or accepting leadership. That is the problem, because as it is now, what is playing out there is people who did not prepare for election, they are looking forward to winning an election. This is primary election. You can't put something on nothing, but at the time we organized the primary election in this. Many of them were courted, and a section of the PDP participated in that election. We are all the state officers, the local government officers who are elected. And it is these same people that we formed the committee of delegates that we have to elect the governor. If you did not participate at that stage, you now expect to win the three adult delegates. I think they are not getting it right. So that is the problem. They just must see that and be a good member of the party, accept whatever is the vision of the electorate. I mean the delegates iniquity. The adult committee was well conducted by the party. The party sent eminent personality, former leader advisor who knows everything about the law guiding election. The color of what he was there, the former national public secretary, a larger identity group was there. These are eminent people in PDP. People who could say that they could not be priced. People that would do things accordingly to save the party and to save their name. So they did it, but people will not accept the outcome. We always come out to protest. So it's not my impoliteness. It's not me. We will solve it. That is why you have the appeal committee set up by the national body. That is why you have the NWC that will decide the outcome. Then the left is the overall body that we stand on it. So all these processes are still there. Let them continue to go through these processes and be a good member of the party and accept whatever is the outcome of the delegate election. Thank you very much. We have also joining us, Lary Ogunsui, who is a former commissioner for information in a kitty state. Mr. Ogunsui, can you hear us, please? I can't hear you. Fantastic. All right. Our two guests, of course, Diro Deimi has said that, or let me start with Lary Olainka, who earlier said that those, this is just a few people in the party trying to foist their own candidates and their own will on the majority in the party whilst Diro Deimi has said that those who are complaining did not do their homework well and are crying foul instead of looking for ways to try and also do their homework well. Where do you stand in all of this? What's your position? Well, good morning. Let me start this morning on a very funny note because I've been told that I've had people making noise that I have fioshe snatched electoral materials and I've asked myself, I have fioshe number one, it's not a governorship aspirant, it's not contest in election. I've got to tell you tell where the people who came from Abuja met with stakeholders, I have fioshe was not there. How a single man, I have fioshe, was able to ask smarts, six people, six aspirants, is what I've not been able to also comprehend. How one person was able to snatched electoral materials among six other aspirants, somebody who was not there was able to snatch materials even assuming they're not considering that it happened, he showed that the person is smarter than them, he showed that the person was more prepared than them and he shows that the person has political strength more than them. That is the situation and that is what they are advertising that's very unfortunate. Let me go back to the issues, like I said yesterday, PDP has electoral guidelines for conductive congresses. When those who came from Abuja came, they write out the congresses, the guidelines. When one of them raised issues that are on the issue of appointing world returning officer, that we actually go to defeat to conduct the congress and make returns to the three people, to be members of local government electoral officers. When it was led to them, many of them, even one of them who just came back from the NWC was saying that it was not true, it was not impossible, all this and that and the guideline was led to them, they could not say anything. And on that Saturday, to each of the aspirants who are asked to appoint two agents each, those their agents were there, they were present when materials were distributed to the local government, to the team leaders of local government electoral officers. The agents were there and those people led to go to Telotea and Agriqiti for their respective local government. When they were leaving, all of them, all of them were in that hotel waiting, they did not go to their work. Let me give you an example. On the bookend, the other book me is from Agriqiti, if it was local government, my own local government. After, like one hour after materials had left Agriqiti, it was still at Telotea, Agriqiti, waiting for materials, they didn't even know, they could not even mobilize their own agents to follow the materials to Agriqiti, to Aramocon. So it was there. One of them called me like 30 minutes after materials had gotten to Aramocon. Let me also say this, they said that I, Lady Olajika was in Aramocon, Agriqiti, that after I got materials, I used that to run the way. Me, I used that to run the way. And they are the people saying that materials were ejected and though, on December 11th, they are also telling us that materials also actually got to Aramocon. So they don't know, they were like, like my other brother, he said, they were not prepared. They knew that, already in this game, out of like 1,000 work and something delegates that we have on ground, they know that we already have like 900. So if you already have 900 out of like 1,000 work and something or two or something, what is left for like six, seven orders to share? So they are only looking for ways to prepare themselves for the eventual defeat. So when they are, when they eventually defeat them, they will now say that the process was full. Thank you, Mr. Laika. Let's move on. Mr. Ogusui, do you agree? What's your response to what they've said? I mean, of course, Larry Laika and Diro Deimi, they've advanced, you know, their reasons why the elections as they see were free, incredible. And I'm saying, of course, that those who were crying over simply came unprepared. We've listened to them. What do you say? Since this is not a debate and it is a discussion, I will not respond to all of this because I didn't raise those allegations against them as for the former political secretary in the state. I will also not agree with them that the problem with the people is that they are this, that that people are not different from human beings all over the world. And I stay in my town, in my village, I live there. I wait for the electoral process to play out there. All I can say from my personal experience is that nobody came to my ward. The chairman of my ward, the way the wards are constituted, especially in the rural areas, is that the chairman of my ward is my brother, is my blood brother. The people on other sides are all, we are all kings men. And so whatever divisions exist, I'm not an urban politician. I'm a rural politician. So I won't say I wasn't prepared because all that I required was to take my bath and go to where people vote. I got there, we waited, we didn't see the electoral officer. No argument will make me change that position. Maybe my ward is unique. I couldn't, I have said, I can't be in all the wards like they have said. And for those analysis, that would be argument for another day. The analysis might be correct. I don't know, I'm not an aspirant. But I think that when people protest, it is an expression of dissatisfaction with something, a process. And I think it is not something you just wave aside if you are still usable, about not using those people, about getting them to your side. Larry O'Lanning had talked about, he talked about reconciliation. But you know there could only be reconciliation after fruit. You don't beat people into reconciliation. It's been tried in several places. It has failed. I hope that this also ends well because my interest is in PDP. My interest is in that party. It is in that party that I have represented my people at several levels. I also would not want to go into personalities of who is smarter than who is more clever. I know that every politician has one vote, except in Nigeria where super politicians can actually get more votes through smart ways. So I think that my votes for which I went to register I will want the process to play out. No matter the analysis you give, I will want a process that plays out. I don't want to waste the time of listeners and the over what is an aberration, what's not an aberration. All I know is that intervention, things like caretaker and all that, even legally, they are being challenged. Even in the APC, they are being challenged that is it actually legal to have caretaker committees? So I wouldn't want the chief of them to wear it like a badge. It's a temporary thing is to solve a problem. If you've been trying to solve a problem, if you create more problems, don't wear it like a badge. I don't want to be disrespectful to anyone. I just want to say I hope we can move on with wasted so much time looking for solutions. We doesn't appear as if we have bought in a solution. And I don't want to, if you are the first casualty in every conflict is truth. So it's not strange that two people will be talking about the same events and then you get several versions of that truth in quotes. So I just want to say I hope they move on with this and I hope it ends where it's not. All right, let's also, we'll come back to you in no time, but let's bring in Dean Roh or DME at this point in time. Now with all of the crisis that's brewing in the People's Democratic Party, that's in a kitty state. Now, what are the chances of clinching to power? I mean, you know that you have other contending parties. What are the chances of your party winning this election? Come June. What is happening in PDP is not new and is not unusual. We are talking of PDP today. If you mentioned PDP, the whole problem is even more than what is happening in PDP. If that now becomes the truth in which you want to measure or get a shot at, the PDP will win an election in it. And as I tell you that some of us who are politicians who are in the process of selecting who will play the part of the party are minorities. It is the electorate who forms the majority of people that will determine who becomes the governor. And that is why we are not bothered even though we appreciate that people must, you know, protest. People must complain. But as a political party, this is not the first time. There will always be the constitution. There will always be a meeting point where we will preach to them that it is good to be in government house and pay to dispute than being outside the government house and, you know, being in crisis. So the positive reason we prevail at the end of the day. So it is not a yes thing to determine if PDP will win the election. I can tell you, people in the city, not only in the city, in the south way, in Nigeria as a whole, are tired of APC government. What is happening is more or less like an internet crisis. We will win the election. It's all. But when you are talking of an election, it is the campaign, it is the manifesto, it is the caliber of candidates that we are putting out that will determine how and when we are going to win this election. And I can assure you, in the city, with what is going on, PDP will might be victorious this year. All right, gentlemen, let's look at, let's look at the way forward. Of course, the name of former governor Ayodele Faeshe has been mentioned. Of course, Mr. Laika, you've said that Faeshe has nothing to do with this. But some will say there is no smoke without fire. The likes of former deputy governor, Olusia Laika, Senator Olujimi, former governor, Shagone and Koa really seasoned politicians who have a record and they have a name. And they are eminent politicians who will not take things sitting down. So it's expected that they will go all the way to try and get the justice if they feel that injustice has been served. If this continues, chances are that the PDP may not find itself on the ballot if they affect it, if parties go to court, you know, it may affect the chances of the party. What is the way forward? How can this be resolved? Are you going to say, oh, we'll let the winner take it or can there be a sort of an arrangement and agreement, a resolution to this crisis? Mr. Laika? Well, let me say this also clearly. The party PDP is a very, it's about the only organized party in this country. When you get to the national security of PDP, people are there, they work like civil service, permanent secretary, the directors, all of them are there. So this party has laid down procedures. When you do a congress like this, there is opportunity for, the party already has visited that there will be complaint, there will be, people there will be agreed. So there is a commission for a P panel, a P committee, that people will now take their grievances, they are complained to. So that is a nice stage that we have. I'm aware that the people, the people sent from Abuja have submitted their report yesterday, report of the conduct of the congresses, of the congress. It was stated that the congress was, even from the, from the statement issued by the party yesterday, it was stated that the congress was conducted, the congress was conducted, so the report has been submitted, the party will now set up probably a P panel called the stakeholders together, like I'm aware that a meeting of the stakeholders has been called for Abuja for tomorrow, called the stakeholders, bring everybody to the round table, and discuss issues. What, like my brother, like my brother said, what we are witnessing, PDP, is not strange, it's not what has not happened before. Take it easy. We know what is called the, if I can, today's issues that we witness in the 2020 election, that PDP eventually won, those of us there also know what happened in 2014, then I was in the committee of those who are saying we not go, we not go, I was there, I was part of their group. At the end of the day, we had to come back together and work with the candidate, I wish it to win election. So it's not what has not happened before. Those who are looking at it from the outside, they don't also understand the dynamics of politics. By now, they don't even know how many of those aspirants that have been reaching out, because they know that, who made somebody to be there, the governor, the last thing remaining is the deputy governor. There are some who want to be deputy governor, there are some who want to go to Seni, want to go to Asafra, they begin to also ask, okay, you have taken the governor, governorship, what is in it for us? What is the remaining? What do you get? That was what happened in 2014. I was a player, a key player there. So I understand some of this game, and I appreciate that people have tried to ventilate their anger, to ventilate even their frustration, to ventilate those, we don't like the way we are. Some people will also do that, to also prepare ground for their eventual, impending loss of a contest. It's like somebody who is going to 100 meter least, already making noise that, oh, oh, oh, the referee, the referee is going to, the referee has told the other passenger, when he gives one strike, he should move. Okay, Mr. Laika. Mr. Laika, we have to call it a day on this, but I'm sure what you've said will be the view of the other guests, of course, allow the processes of the party take effect. I don't know if the rest of you gentlemen agree with him. Let me come to you, Mr. Diro Dayemi, do you agree that the party's remedial processes and dispute resolution mechanism should be allowed to run the full run? In one sentence, please. I said it earlier on, PDP is both organized, political party in Nigeria, with good process to ensure that there is no crisis and we win the election. So be with you directly and process is on, and I believe in it. All right. Mr. Kusui, please, one sentence from you before we go, just one sentence. I'm going to. There is no you without me, and there is no me without you. That should be the spirit. All right, fantastic. You just reminded me that we had the Martin Luther King Day some days ago. That was a very fantastic one. Thank you very much for your time, sir. Merci. That's the much we can take at this point in time. Thank you so much for being part of the conversation. Mr. Douniemi, thank you so much for coming through this morning. He's a Deputy National Publicity Secretary of, former Deputy National Publicity Secretary of the People's Democratic Party, who also had Mr. Olainkar, as well as former Commissioner of Information at KT State. We're really running out of time. That's the much that we can take. And if you missed out on any part of the conversation, it's all right to follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and do subscribe to our YouTube channel on Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. I am Messi Boko. And I'm Kofi Bartels. It's been great doing this with you. Merci, second day. We'll return tomorrow. Good morning.