 Good evening everybody tonight Matt Dillon honey versus Howard stirrup is there good evidence for God and we're going to get into it right now So Howard the floor is all yours up to 13 minutes for your introduction introduction So welcome Howard and floor is yours Thank You Ryan Is that full screen that is full screen yes awesome, let's do this Okay, seven reasons why I believe theism is more rational than atheism in this presentation I shall give evidence-based arguments for these three The Bible versus Isaiah Corinthians and revelation plus the Suras and the Quran and many other religious texts and historical artifacts describe earth has been Multidimensional seven heavens seven D the Bible describes earth as a square having four corners The Bible describes the heavens as a circle Squares irrational finite physical pie while circles are irrational infinite metaphysical pie as we can see When drawn the golden spiral grows in quarter circles Here are the first hundred five numbers The digital roots of the fine numbers gives us a 24 number sequence Which is like the hours per day I've colored them so people can see the digital roots and that goes infinitely The last digit of the fine numbers gives us a 60 number sequence like the seconds and minutes Again, I've highlighted it for people to see The 60 number sequence has four zeros that are exactly 15 digits apart like four quarters corners making a cross when drawn on a When drawn like astrology or Also, it can be drawn like a sine wave fives connecting conjunction with the zeros to make 12 sections like hours per day nice constellations and a 12 Coranial nerves Plus pairs of nerves plus one when we swear the circle we happen to find pie Right on the decimal place on four This mechanism shows the six days of creation With the seventh judgment day for rest and times stopwatch Or so it appears I'll walk you through it Acknowledge the three numbers that surround each zero sevens with triple nines three zero three three and Triple ones also the four corners of the mechanism Make an axis or a cog for each so that we can rewind back to see what happened on the fifth day or stage And just to clarify this is your evidence for intelligent design. This is your start. Yeah This topic. All right, just to clarify. We have three topics everybody. So one is evidence for intelligence design second is evidence for Satan and the other is evidence for Noah's Ark So I'll put your timer back on with that clarity and we'll continue Thank you. I'll just after a wine. So I don't know what misses the points. I'm just building turn the yellow pie arm a hundred and eighty degrees counterclockwise and turn the purple zero arm 90 degrees counterclockwise At knowledge that now the numbers nine on the purple arm are now surrounded by the nines of the yellow Pie arm. So are the threes the ones and the sevens now turn the yellow pie arm and The purple zero arm 90 degrees counterclockwise now they're locked together Let's see what we see. Ah Now there's double digits surrounding the zeros For nines for threes for ones for sevens, which helps us add another cog to the mechanism So the next step is to turn all three cogs back 90 degrees counterclockwise a quarter circle To see the numbers that now surround the purple arm We can see that there was also Synchronicity with those same numbers when they were in the original position So we add the new cog and we turn all of the arms 90 degrees counterclockwise and this Makes it locked set into the starting position At knowledge that each time the yellow pie arm is moved the numbers surrounding it appear to alternate change position Showing that they surround the same numbers on the green cog eights of eights six or sixes twos or twos and fours with fours This is a lot of coincidences If you like to believe that Okay, I hope that will make sense and now You can see that we've put the numbers underneath the original position Acknowledge that the fives alternate between being in front and behind of their neighbor digits So this gives us two last cogs or arms that go in different directions similar to Swatstickers actually Turn the blue arm holding the five one five seven five nine five three ninety degrees clockwise and Turn the other blue arm holding the other numbers 90 degrees counterclockwise and this gives us all of the numbers grouped Into a starting position Here is an image from my friend the mathematician that showed me this showing the six phases Proving that by works in perfect harmony with pie by design not chance So would atheism be a rational position if all of the supporting theories were debunked due to earth having a special location Well, all experiments primary observations and historical artifacts suggest that there is no movement of earth But rather that the sun moon and stars are moving around in the sky above us scientific experiments Demonstrate mechanisms and working models like star in a jar Symatics acoustic and electromagnetic and many scientists famous renowned scientists have all agreed Because of the that the geocentric or the heliocentric models are philosophical not demonstrable That's why we've got no movement in the stars over thousands of years and Maybe the heavens a metaphysical not infinite physical space that we can travel Which is why planets and stars come into focus without any distortion at the same zoom distance Check for yourself. I know it's a video Ryan. It's it's all times Okay, yes, the Sun is sometimes setting behind Venus if I may just finish making my point Sorry, do you you throw me again? It's all timed. It'll finish in 13 seconds at 13 minutes So, yeah, you can see too much detail to call this distortion There's no missing pieces no mirroring and you can check for yourself after the sunset or before the sunrise that Venus flickers With the Sun, okay. Yes, the Sun is sometimes setting behind Venus. It still appears as a bright star to us all primary observations at water and land level high altitude and any distance Never show any loss of landscape due to curvature bendy light demonstrably causes distortion So it's unlikely that we'd be seeing so far on clear days when there's less distortion no matter where the light source is So this is what we can see we know that light refracts But we're told to believe that we're seeing over a bend yet when we go upwards the horizon doesn't go down Therefore when someone has experienced the primary observations For themselves and verified the information of secondary the evidence discredits the Big Bang theory of creation Random spontaneous a biogenesis and the theory of evolution. So the most likely scenario is that we've been intentionally placed Because earth seems to have been designed now we've got evidence of a worldwide flood We know that mainstream science acknowledges evidence of a flood when it's finding skeletons But not when they need to explain the marine microorganisms on top of mountains Pebbles can be found in four completely different locations or environments along the coastline in Riverbeds in valleys and even buried in mud We're told to believe that they're smooth and rounded due to water and mechanical erosion though ten to twenty percent Pebbles have up to twenty five external and internal details that correlate with the anatomy of hearts and the rounded pebbles that are less Descriptive appear to correlate with the anatomy of other organs. We'll look at the details in a minute So people all over the world are uploading the same results demonstrating that this evidence is reproducible This open source investigation is known as biogeology and the heart-shaped stone phenomena suggesting that a supernatural event of which some were shielded to be able to repopulate the world and Paradolian random erosion aren't adequate explanations to account for all of the very visible correlations to anatomy So this reproducible evidence discredits and potentially debunks the theory of evolution Said that one of it too fast But yeah, let's look at the details We've got flat top with indentations and discoloration where the aorta would be we've got tapering down on one side and Even twisted at the bottom. We also see many Bible Verses that also suggest that stones might have used to been alive and We also see plenty of evidence in the real world There's also six verses in the Quran that support biogeology and that they're being waters above and below and There's historical evidence of petrifying flesh from her drama piramo Sargato, and we've now got current Experiments where you can put chemicals in the microwave and actually make rubies So petrification is a thing as these people from Hawaii are claiming That this toad has been petrified due to some direct energy weapon Here's the 20 These are the list of 20 correlations that my friend Mike Wilkerson from the YouTube channel stallion sevens found He also has found a mountain that looks just like an elephant and there's many people finding the mountains that look like ancient trees Which would explain why oxygen levels were higher before So it's the globe versus the star in a jar which model is able to demonstrate a worldwide flood Imagine the star in a jar experiment with seven music notes or planets or chakras We know there's seven colors in the rainbow. So maybe the Egyptians the Islam and that the all the other cultures were right to say that earth is like the yin yang symbol If there's strong evidence of a worldwide flood and a mass extinction event Then the fact that we see life now Supports the stories about a prophetic savior and his arc The fact that marine organisms can be found on top of mountains worldwide Supports the idea that the sea level was once covering all land and then we've got primary observations Where we can see the blue sky and stars through an apparent transparent moon We've got stars that twinkle geometric patterns like we saw which looks like lights underwater and Then we've got historical and actual evidence of a devil here. We can see the 666 all over the globe math We can see that the ancients used to worship what we call planets or fallen stars politicians celebrities need All connected Thank you, Ryan and the United Nations seem to be in control of all of the narratives and even the air that we breathe So what do these people that get knighted have in common? And what why do we see a dragon and fallen angels in the sky? Maybe numbers frequencies arches and angles just other ways to say arch angels Thank you very much Excellent, but we'll end the screen share there Yeah That's the first step to getting back to our main screen everybody So just before we move into Matt's opening statement everyone I'm just gonna do a little bit of the housekeeping Dallas, Texas. Everybody Texas. I gotta say that right Dallas, Texas Everybody is where we're going to be November 4th. Let us know and fifth Let us know where you're gonna be for our debate con for I know Matt's gonna be hanging out there Aaron's gonna be there. You can see the promo next to me with David Wood. It's gonna be all epic juicy debates We're gonna be doing politics one day and religion another day So you can check that out for tickets in the description if you're gonna be in the area Let us know where you are anyways. It's always cool to know where our audience is. I'm in Nova Scotia myself Howard where are you hanging out? I'm in Spain very close to Benadol Hanging out in Spain. Well, it's awesome to hear and lastly we have our crowdfund linked there It's in the link below. You can get all kinds of amazing perks like a signed picture from your favorite debater Enough with the housekeeping everybody Let's kick it on over to Matt. So I gave you a little extra time there Howard So if you go over a little a little over 13, that's fine. Take all the time you need there floor is yours Matt Let me start my timer real quick all right so hello everybody good evening and Evidently my apologies. I find this debate to be irresponsible and ill-advised The subject was supposed to be is there good evidence for God and specifically Normally, we could have just gone with that We could have just said hey, we're gonna talk about good evidence for God And then most of the time you just show up and you you take whatever you got and you Prepare your rebuttals on the fly but Because we decided on three topics or how it did to design of the earth for life The evidence for Noah's Ark and he and the quote historical and actual evidence of the devil That's what I prepared to address kind of By picking those three means we don't have to spend any time discussing morality or cosmology or first cause or ontology or experiential or divine sense or any of that so one curious thing about the phrasing of this is It's still a lot of ground to cover design Noah's Ark and Historical and actual evidence for the devil So let me start by saying this in the end We could have good reason to think that the earth was in some fashion designed and this would not in any way confirm or Be counted as good evidence for a God. You'd need to make a case for a specific Designer not just oh my gosh, there's things we can't explain or there's things that might be better explained with some sort of Designer, you'd have to make a case for designer and why it's God I was gonna say I don't know if that's gonna happen. It didn't We could confirm remnants consistent with a large boat and It wouldn't confirm the story of Noah's Ark See creatures at the top mountains doesn't confirm the story of Noah's Ark or that it was Noah or that it was a God Doesn't confirm that there was a global flood doesn't confirm that there were all the animals on a boat Doesn't confirm anything about a gun the devil is a bit trickier though Because if you were to confirm that we have good reason to believe there's a devil you didn't have to say is this devil necessarily Contingent upon a God or a specific God That's the only subject that I was actually really interested in today because I've debated the design stuff before and Noah's Ark's kind of laughable But I was interested to see what kind of evidence we might get for the devil matter of fact. I suggested we just do that topic Especially when you say Historical and actual evidence which implies that you don't consider historical evidence to be actual evidence So even if we were presented for good our good evidence for all three of those it wouldn't necessarily Confirm a God which means that if we don't wind up with good evidence for any of these then we definitely have not confirmed to God And while I'm most interested in the third topic It's the one that is most difficult. I have to see what sort of evidence is presented and since I Had to write my opening before there was anything presented. I didn't include much about it. Sorry We'll get into that I guess later the sacrament topic, which I'll touch on just a bit is Important if we can address whether or not we can confirm evidence for Noah's Ark But the various design arguments and the supposed evidence for design are often presented even by those who don't think we've found And Noah's Ark or don't think we have evidence for a devil or may not consider that or believe that there's an actual devil to begin with this notion of design is important it's presented by serious theologians and believers around the globe With arguments like a building requires a builder a painter requires a painter a lot of different analogies and I think David Hume Probably was best in pointing out that the various analogies are going to fail because the analogy of a builder requiring or building requiring a Builder the universe itself isn't analogous to a builder But even if it were designed that doesn't tell us what the who the designer is or what the designer is or what the characteristics of the designer is Nor does it identify any specific God? You have things like Paley's watchmaker argument where you have you're walking along a beach and you find a watch on the beach and It screams that it's designed because it is so different from the things around it But if you believe that God designed everything that means that God designed every grain of sand So you're walking on a beach full of watches and picking up one particular watch and saying this one is distinct If we're going to make an argument for design It can't merely be we've found a mathematical curiosity Or we have something that we can't explain because if we have something that we can't explain Then it is unexplained. It doesn't mean that we are justified in asserting or inferring design or a design by a God So, how do we tell if something is designed? Well, my version of identifying design is you'd recognize design by contrasting Designed items with things that are not natural or that are naturally occurring and So you look at things that appear to be Naturally occurring and you look at things that you know to be designed And you find the hallmarks that are different between the two of them so that you can direct the evidence Are you not just so you can direct your conclusion based on the evidence that either points to design or points to something naturally occurring if the evidence points strongly in one direction Then we tentatively because all of our positions are tentative conclude that design is the most probable explanation and if it points towards something naturally occurring Then we tend to identify that is not designed if you were to come across a bunch of sticks and mud Blocking up a river. How do you tell if it was designed by for example beavers or aliens? Versus a naturally occurring thing after Some river wash out where mud and sticks clogged up the river through purely natural processes Well, you begin by looking at dams that you know to be constructed by beavers if we had dams that were constructed by aliens I guess we could look at those as well and You look for the hallmarks of that what sort of things happen when that is the known cause and Then you find ones that appear to be occurring naturally after a wash out or whatever else and you see how are those more half-hazard? Is there some sort of structure is there packing and you make a list of all of the features and You say these features are all consistent with strong evidence of design These features are all consistent with strong evidence of something naturally occurring. It is that contrast That is how we infer design and it's still a tentative conclusion Because you can have evidence that is consistent with multiple possible claims you can have Something that appears to be designed and something and it may be designed and something else that appears to be designed That is not designed It is incredibly arrogant of humans To take the privileged position that we're in and assume that we are the goal of the universe that we need to have some sort of Explanation for how and why the universe ended up with us. What are the odds of us happening? What are the odds of me out of everyone that might have existed? I exist My parents had to meet their parents and so on and so on so on but that mistaken math is similar to saying I had two parents and they each had two parents who had two parents who had two parents So there must have been more people in the past than there are in the present this sort of error in Looking at things and going with your intuitions about how probable something is or how improbable you think something is is how people infer design And it's not in any way how we actually demonstrate design So however unlikely I am I exist But there are countless people who never existed and you could use that to say wow It matters incredibly unlikely or you could use it to show that Everyone is very very unlikely and those of us who exist are merely less unlikely than those who don't when it comes to Noah's Ark I Didn't know what to expect so I went and did some research on people who've Recently even written articles about the possibility of finding Noah's Ark Do we have good evidence for Noah's Ark? So you have the Ark encounter from answers and Genesis that on October 19th of this year So just just like eight days ago updated an article With a video and the article ends with the statement despite many supposed sightings and evidence in Mount Ararat It seems unlikely that Noah's Ark has been found in recent times National Geographic in November 2020 it posted an article on why Noah's Ark will never be found in In in 2020 the Institute for Creation Research acknowledged that Noah's Ark had not been found and is unlikely to be found There have been many hoaxes and forgeries nothing substantive no reputable science or archaeological organization supports any claim Confirming the existence of Noah's Ark if it ever existed It's incredibly unlikely that it still exists in any Recognizable form and if it did that would almost be miraculous which means if God wanted to present it as evidence then he could Ken Ham even in in 2021 wrote an article basically saying hey you guys are probably seeing a bunch of new articles about Noah's Ark being found We've known about this for a while. It's probably not Noah's Ark We don't have any good reason think it is when the Institute for Creation Research the answers in Genesis When those incredibly dubious organizations aren't even on board with Noah's Ark being found I don't know that anybody could confirm that Noah's Ark has been found or that there's good evidence for it and if all you're going to do is point to Marine life at high altitudes and you're ignoring all of the things about plate tectonics and other things You haven't in any way shown that Noah's Ark exists or that the story is true or that it points to a God Now the devil the one that I was most interested in discussing today. Hail Satan. I'm not a Satanist But I find it amusing and funny That there are Satanists atheists who are Satanist and it terrifies some people he's a fallen angel He's also called loose for Satan the dragon old scratch the enemy liar bills above and I wanted to know what was the historical and actual evidence I'm not aware that we got any at all There are stories of people who have sold their soul To be rich or famous or really great at guitar And if you were to claim someone sold their soul to be a great guitar player You don't then get to use their great guitar playing ability as Evidence that they sold their soul that would be a circular argument You don't get to claim that the discovery of a boat like structure is confirmation of a global flood or that the discovery of Marine life at high altitude is confirmation of a global flood You have to make a demonstration of what the best explanation is and you don't get to claim that the appearance of design is Actually evidence of a design and you certainly don't get to highlight mathematical curiosities and claim that this is Evidence of design that's not what evidence is evidence consistent with something isn't enough the appearance of design is consistent with actual design And it's consistent with non-design evidence are Facts that are consistent with a Proposition Facts that support a proposition to explain some observation or state of affairs And so when you're going through to come up with a candidate explanation for something you have to list all of the possible candidate explanations Show why they are candidate explanations show that they should be considered candidate explanations Because otherwise you're gonna have an infinite supply even though I don't like using infinite as a quantity But an infinite series of potential explanations because oh it could be a red-headed God a green-headed God a blue-headed God Every factor you every every specific criteria you add to this makes it increasingly less likely less specific So how do we identify? the devil Well, the only thing I heard is that Throughout history some people have believed in the devil. There are things to watch out for there are a number of fallacies Argument from incredulity argument from ignorance, but first of all citing the Bible is going to be irrelevant Figuring out what other explanations might exist could be relevant But to just say this all seems incredibly implausible or improbable unless there's a God isn't evidence and it's barely an argument and I'm pretty sure that it A non demonstrable unfalsifiable position When you point to a bunch of smart people believe something that's also not evidence for it I genuinely and I and I'll stop here because I hit my There we go. I hit my 13 minutes but I Have strong objections to continuing this debate, but I'll do it All right. Well, thank you so much Matt for the opening statement there Don't mind everybody if I sound like I'm an old radio announcer from the 50s. This is from 1957 It's an old-school mic. So don't mind me Just remind everybody once again before we kick it into an open discussion Our tickets are linked in the description Dallas, Texas is where we're going to be Let us know in the live chat right now where you're hanging out and when you're done letting us know where you're hanging out right now Watching this debate and we're going to be potentially For our November 4th and 5th debate con conference hit that like button like you know smack that thumbs up like it owes you money So with that said let's kick it in open discussion Howard over to you to respond to some of what you just heard and Let's see if we can get a flow together with an open discussion Thank You Ryan Not that it matters, but if you Google the word actual It has two meanings and one of the meanings is current Present so just to correct you on that Matt not that it matters, but I've noticed you said it the other night as well I've shown evidence That's reproducible But I see that people that have got faith in mainstream narratives and secondary information They seem to be in denial because if you were truly a skeptic You'd be interested in going to verify if pebbles do often have the heart shape And if the heart shape stones do have many of these reoccurring features and details that correlate with anatomy That would be a true skeptic, but otherwise just to ignore it like many people do Shows me that you're in denial and maybe it's cognitive dissonance or maybe it's because you're just scared of the consequences of final judgment I don't know, but it's it's it's it's crazy because you're always asking for evidence and that's literally what I've done 13 minutes of evidence No, my apologies. First of all I don't think you lecturing me on whether or not I'm a real skeptic is probably gonna go over well for you at all in this debate But how do you know that I've ignored whether or not stones often have that shape? First of all just on the skeptic points. Oh, no, no, and I'll take you on on the skeptic thing first Yeah, because you've accused me you've accused me you've accused me of ignoring and not looking into whether or not stones have That shape. How do you know that I've done that? Well, you haven't mentioned it in your opening statement. You just kept talking about the Mount Everest Howard do you realize that my opening statement was written before I knew you were gonna babble on about the shape of stones But you accused me of ignoring and you see them if I'm not I'm not a real skeptic Or I wouldn't I would have go out and look to see if stones actually have that shape How do you know what my position is on the shape of stones? Because if you had been out and looked at the stones that the smooth stones that we find in four different Environments like I showed Four completely different environments giving the same results. You would either Agree that there's something to it or you'd have your own evidence or reasons why you don't agree But you didn't ask you to mention so I'm asking you again Howard How do you know that I haven't done it? Because you didn't mention it in your opening statement, which are you Howard why on earth? No, no, sir How how on earth am I supposed to mention something? How on earth am I supposed to mention something in my opening statement that I don't know is going to be addressed? I wrote my opening statement before you gave your gibberish Gibberish it is gibberish. That's embarrassing gibberish Sure, how would you know it's embarrassing if you have no experience of test verifying it for yourself? Is this debate is this debate about your evidence or is about whether or not I'm a real skeptic because let's focus on the actual evidence and stop making it about me Well, if you aren't a true skeptic It doesn't what I am or am not is not the subject of this debate and I won't entertain any conversation at all about it Let's talk about your evidence not whether or not you think I'm a real skeptic because I don't give a fuck what you think about me Let's try to bring it back to the evidence of Noah's arc So let's go back and some of the things you brought up there Howard and see if we can get into some of that There on our second point. I'll bounce it around as if we get off track here Start off track it so I keep getting interrupted and Because I'm not gonna let you talk shit about me Howard You don't get to say I'm not a real skeptic whether or not I'm a real skeptic or whether or not you think I'm a real Skeptic is irrelevant to whether or not you've presented evidence So stick to the topic of the debate or you're done Just because you don't see it as evidence doesn't mean it isn't evidence because like I said There's thousands of people around the world that are finding this reproducible evidence in different parts of the world Like I said, you've got salt water where the ocean is going in all directions You've got sweet water which goes down the river in one direction And you've got them in the valleys where you get hit by rain and you've got them under the mud So that's four complete different environments giving the same results All over the world and people are finding it and uploading the results to YouTube and social media and people are demanding Geologists and even laboratories to take this seriously, but sadly most people that have got faith in in Secondary information and faith in mainstream narratives They are unwilling to verify these things and just shun them off Thoughts on the other side of the evidence. So the evidence is there But it's are you willing to go and make your own primary observations? It's just like the do you think I haven't seen stones? Do you think I was in a Navy for eight years? I've been on many beaches. I've been out in nature many times Do you think I haven't seen stones? We've all seen stones all of our life Matt It was only a year or so back that my friend Mike showed me the correlations And then I went and made my own collection just like loads of people around the world and finding it very very easy To find the heart-shaped stones and then when they do find the heart-shaped stones They have many many Details that correlate with the anatomy of the heart. Yeah, you can call it a coincidence like you can call the mathematics a Like If I have a heart-shaped stone What is that evidence of? Of Noah's Ark because if the whole world was flooded which is waters Conductive especially salt water guess what arcs are made of wood now wood isn't conductive So it seeing that there's life now is Evidence that some of us were saved and animals were saved because all the pebbles all over the world Show us how many creatures must have been wiped out in a mass extinction So seeing pebbles shows a mass extinction Seeing people and animals alive now shows that some of them were saved to be able to repopulate I'm not looking for the arc. I'm looking for evidence that there was an arc So what you're saying is that heart-shaped stones around the world are evidence of Life that was wiped out in a flood and those are Those are their actual hearts Yes, sir Okay, because we've got internal features like chambers and we've got many things like iron ore that can find inside and outside Caked to the to the stones and we get Court veins of quartz so it looks like fat petrifies into quartz and It looks like Iron ore is there because we've got hemoglobin iron in the blood So there's many reasons like I say internal and external all over the world and all pebbles even the rounded ones you'll find they're quite easy to stack because organs tend to have a Flat or a concave back and a convex multi-faceted front So yeah, there's many reasons why people are taking this topic seriously It just seems like a lot of people are very Against it so they won't even go and check for themselves Because they're not true skeptics Okay Am I true skeptic or not? Well, it seems like you're inconsistent when it comes to spike proteins GMOs Or all of the other mainstream narratives that you like to worship you don't you don't Howard, what do I worry that maybe it was a bad choice of words, but you don't seem to consistent in your skepticism Is it only is it only what do you think skepticism is since we're gonna make this about whether or not I'm a skeptic What skepticism? Well, I consider myself a skeptic because I don't care. I asked what skepticism I'm trying to get them at what you keep interrupting me and throwing me off So I consider myself a skeptic because I don't know what shape earth is I don't know if the stones are definitely petrified organs, but I'm Investigating so because I'm using the scientific method when it comes to biogeology I'm using the scientific method when it comes to the globe live research and I'm also in interested in the mathematics When it comes to pi and pi and the e Eula's number No, it's fine, let him keep going Thanks, I'm not sure of what I believe so I consider myself a skeptic So I use investigation to try and back Get evidence to back my beliefs if I'm to have conclusions All right, we're gonna let my I'm not sure what I believe either on many things But I am confident about some things but just a minute ago I asked you if all those heart-shaped stones Were actually the petrified organs of animals that were killed in the flood and you said yes So clearly you do believe that so what evidence has led you to conclude that all of the stones That are heart-shaped are actual hearts Because that's they're very easy to find and there's only two Reoccurring shapes either rounded which none are like a ball like I said They're all flat concave at the back and come back come backs at the front They're either rounded because most organs are or they're heart shaped and the heart shaped ones have up to 20 details that correlate with the anatomy of a heart and Mountains seem to look like trees and even Titans So yeah, it's an interesting topic. I think you should look into yo, yeah Titans. What are Titans? Giants Giant creatures and giant people like a blue whale. That's a giant creature Well science suggests that there was higher oxygen levels in the past So it kind of makes sense that there was giant trees and giant things that needed to Extra oxygen and to be so big I'm not sure I'm just giving you explanations of why people are taking these investigations seriously And it appears that they are hearts. Yes It does because I have a massive collection of my own that I've managed to find very easily that it's so easy It's not even difficult if you're willing to investigate instead of just shunning it off because you're in denial well, I Don't know why you keep trying I'm genuinely just sitting here asking you questions and you're just talking about or suggesting. Do you think I'm shutting it off and in denial? Well, the things you've said about it and about I don't know What I've said or is this debate about what evidence you're presenting which one do you want to do? It's all together. No, it's not all together. No, it's not all together Subject of the debate, but if you want to make me the subject of the debate buckle up Let's let us do move into and I'll pass it back over to you Howard Historical and actual evidence of the devil We're gonna try to hammer in on this one because I think it was the most interesting thing to both of you to kind of have an yarn about here So everybody hit that like button and we're going to move into that point historical and actual evidence of the devil over to you Howard Yeah, I've presented loads of evidence showing that there's been a consistent theme Throughout history in different parts of the world. There's evidence of reptilian Beings in a higher dimension because the statues there's There's scripture There's many many artifacts that show different type of reptilian beings that have either been physical or at least influenced us from a metaphysical realm Just like Matt knows when you can look at a snake through different light spectrums You see things that you normally don't see we know that our eyesight is very limited yet We know there exists a lot more out of our Spec our visible spectrum seven colors. So who's to say what there is and what there isn't when we're blind Well, if your position is who's to say what there is and what there isn't Then you're not in any position to say what there is which means you can't defend a position at all Like I said, there is a consistent theme all over the world throughout history So as we know, they didn't have telephones back in the days. How did they all get the same ideas mat makers? Statue makers and people that have written all the different accounts of dragons and Dragons, reptiles, lizards, snakes, they're all connected and it looks like the steam has been Promoted throughout history without people being able to let the other artist in or sculptor in another continent Know what he's creating. So for the consistent theme to have been present throughout history That's evidence that there was something influencing or maybe still influencing our physical reality Okay, so if there's something that's Influencing our reality for people to come up with let's say stories of dragons. What are the candidate things that are influencing our reality? What are the what sir? Well, you're basically suggesting that for example, I'll just go with dragons People in different cultures have come up with stories of dragons and you're saying that there's a consistent theme and for you that means that there's something influencing something guiding or Some something some common thread that is getting people to a similar narrative about dragons, right? Well, there's bone discoveries. I'm asking you is that what you're saying that that there's this narrative So there must be some there's got to be a reason why people are coming up with similar explanations Yeah, and I'm guessing it's personal experience It's like you so I was asking that question Okay, yeah, I was gonna say just to be fair just because I have given you quite a bit of time there Howard where you are on the Affirmative, so we'll pass it back to Matt there. Yeah, if I ask you a clarifying question It's not it's not an opportunity to go into another sermon So if we're going to agree that Okay, if we're going to agree that there must be some reason why people are coming up with similar stories my question was What are the candidate explanations for why people have come up with similar stories? I feel like I've answered the question already. I'm not sure what you mean candidate. Well People might come up with similar stories because they have similar experiences. They saw real dragons or they saw things I have bearded dragons downstairs That those sorts of things it's not very it's not very unlikely that people would say oh We have human beings and some humans are Faster than others and so there must be some human who's the fastest and some human who's the the strongest and Here's a snake and here's a bird Let's put the wings of a bird on a snake and create another creature and tell a story about that But none of that points to anything that's actually true But you seem to be suggesting that if people have come up with stories about devils and demons That this commonality in a narrative Suggests that the best explanation is that they point to a true being Yeah, because how do you demonstrate that that's the best explanation? Wow a lot of these statues have been sculpted in temples and Pyramids where we still today don't understand what technology they used so if they were advanced in the past it suggests that they Knew what they were on about because they weren't just doing it artistically. They were doing it to leave a message I'm sorry what I was asking was what method can we use to determine what the best explanation is and your answer is If they have methods we didn't understand maybe they were more advanced What the hell does that have to do with my question? I'm saying the method is looking at the overwhelming vast amount of evidence in different Continents places that we still don't know how they built and you look at it as a whole and that method is stronger than No method of just denying it. See that's the thing you're putting me on the spot I would like to put you I'm not putting you on the spot, sir You picked the subject of the debate I'm asking you how you demonstrate the conclusion that you've reached while mocking other people as not real skeptics How do you reach the conclusion that stories about the devil are best explained by there being an actual fucking devil? Yeah Like I showed in the opening statements There's a massive accumulation of evidence when it comes to the stars when it comes to Count Dracula being in the order of the dragon and Count Dracula now being In the royal family being descendants of Count Dracula all the politicians and many celebrities being connected to the royal family So it looks like there's a serpent seed a serpent bloodline in our physical reality Actual as well as historical. Yeah Like secret societies Matt. I used to be a freemason. I don't know if you are but um, I know that I was so I've got personal experience of secret societies and I understand that these secret societies go into darker Side orders and that these Kind of fraternities like the order of the dragon have been around for a very long time And they have a common goal a new world Order, which is slavery like the United Nations agenda 2030 looks Yeah, slavery where we have little freedoms because we've been scared into believing work to blame for everything Like the climate change while they're the ones that are manipulating the weather like I showed in my opening statements All right, we're getting off track again. Sorry to interrupt here So I'm gonna try to get us back on base here and just ask you how word for your definition of What the devil is or what devils are and try to get us back on that topic. So back over to you, Howard We're all on the topic. It's a higher dimensional energy being Conscious entity that has an influence in this world like their Bible says the God of this world not the creator of this world, but the God of this world because he has influence and the the thing is the reason I'm talking about the United Nations with the artificial weather modification the geoengineering and all the narratives that they're in control of is that they see They have the snake on the logo of the WHO So they seem to worship Reptilians just like the ancients mill did the statues. So there's lots of evidence I didn't have much time to prepare for the devil because I didn't want to talk about it in this debate I wanted to make more evidence about Patterns in number and nature because it would have gone with the other stuff that I presented But as Matt wanted me to talk about the devil, I put it in last minute But I think I feel like I showed enough evidence In that one minute, but if you're not open to it, that's okay. It's okay. Okay. I'm not the only one Okay, so so first of all James approached me with the list of topics for this debate The devil was on there from the beginning I asked if we could only do that because it would be interesting you didn't want to do that You wanted to do all three of them and three days ago I got word from James that you wanted to completely pull that after we'd done preparation You take it up with James, let me finish fucking talking This debate is over. It is Irresponsible you keep asking you on the air Anywhere to have discussions like this this debate Evidence for God and you gave three specific talking points and now you're saying you didn't have time to prepare for the devil You didn't want to but you've talked about Dracula and Freemasons and secret societies in order the dragon a new world order the United Nations This is batshit crazy conspiracy theorist stuff I don't care if James feels like paying me for this debate or not, but I'm done I'm logging off. This debate is over. Nobody should pay any attention to you. You need to seek help. Good. Bye Okay. Well, I really hope that you yeah. All right. Well, there we go. Matt has dropped out of the debate Unfortunately, everybody. So we do have a Q&A here I am sorry for putting you on mute there Howard just you didn't have most of the speaking time So I did want to give Matt a chance to get his thoughts out But I am no problem Can I just get can I just get a closing statement because when someone's misrepresenting what I've said and what happened Like now and also the other night on his own show. It's not fair, right? I didn't change nothing. I told James two weeks ago one week ago What topics I wanted to do and it was a miss miscommunication because he gets a lot of emails So I'm not blaming James. I just wanted to explain to Matt that I've done my best to prepare evidence that I didn't plan Undoing okay, and I feel like I've shown enough and let me just say one last thing for my closing statements. I haven't Promoted theories. I've shared factual evidence where Prince Charles admitted he's a descendant of Count Dracula and I can show evidence that Count Dracula was a member of The order of the dragon everything I've said and shown is factual maybe my conclusions are not right I'm willing to talk about this, but people just telling me it's conspiracy theories is Denial denial and I'm glad that he's left. It shows he doesn't want to talk about it I don't want to put you back on mute there, but I will ask Howard Just for courtesy of our audience here. We do have some questions in our Q&A If you don't mind answering a few of the questions, we'll try to rock through them I am sorry everybody that we weren't able to continue the debate as We would like to Matt is more than welcome to come back if he would like to participate in the Q&A, but You know we'll continue on let's see here Can I just ask if Matt does come back? Can he stop calling me names or stop swearing that'd be great All right, Howard I'm just gonna warn you right now if you mentioned Matt again I'm just gonna put you on mute just because we're gonna try to move on from What we just had happened there and we're going to try to answer our Q&A questions without that context, okay? So I'm trying to I'm gonna count on you buddy to work with me here Paul Brassfield Howard would you say you trust your average college professor or your favorite YouTube personality when it comes to science or history? If this person had paid any attention I'm talking about reproducible evidence versus secondary information So whenever I get information whether it's from a YouTube or a professor I like to verify it for myself and then I might make an inclusion or I might keep an open mind But I don't just jump into a belief system because of something I've been told to believe Which seems to be the average position of the atheist All right, let's continue on two dollars Howard would Satan deserve your forgiveness I don't know how to answer that question only only God can judge. There you go. Only God can judge Okay, this one came in from Scott Lawton said thanks for everything you are Matt I don't know if you're watching Matt, but Scott mess message to be a fan there And you know if you did enjoy the discussion up to this point You know it's a shame things didn't work out the way we were hoping but hit the like button You know if you have a chance we appreciate that Elijah Mick Mahan says 499 why would Matt waste his time with someone like Howard? He doesn't believe in the globe model We're not gonna be talking about that Decided on that but the point is he the word he said was believe I'd like everyone to just pay attention to that believe because you can't demonstrate it Okay, thank you this next one from Simon Allen for the kitty always good to see Matt debating and Howard's a one off I'm not sure what they're getting at there Kango 44. Why does modern-day debate platform Howard? I Mean because I I like I've actually got I've got evidence So what like a lot of the moderators say attack the arguments attack the evidence don't attack the the person But if you want to attack me that just shows that you're Unwilling to look into this information for yourself. So good on good on you for showing yourself All right, well, let's carry on there buddy a pointless poppy. Perhaps. This is just the universe We live in without a designer. How do you know that 3.14 and 1.6 18 were designed? I Don't know nothing. I was just showing a Evidence for why I have taken a position and I've shown a lot of correlations in the number We could see that pie and thigh work very well together And I was hoping to present more about pie and also about pie in nature But sadly Matt was very insistent that I talk about the devil because it was one of my seven that I offered Months ago in September. I think it was on Twitter. So yeah, it's all cool with me I'm really happy with how this is went because I don't care what people think about me I'm just trying to put the information out and people can make their own mind by verifying it I'm not asking anyone to believe Quicker than what we wanted to of course where we don't have everybody here but question for Howard listening to you I am interested why you do these debates, you know very very little about the subjects you talk about Wouldn't it be better to use your time to read a book? That's a little bit No, it's okay. It's okay. It's because I've literally just answered that question. Sorry. I'll repeat myself. I Don't care what people think about me. I'm here. I don't care about the debate. I'm not here to argue I'm here to share information and get feedback. Maybe I'll change my mind But if people are gonna call me names and swear at me that just shows me that they're in denial and they can't handle Opening their mind or checking for themselves, which is all we're recommending. All right, Howard. How do you know their hearts? What if you're holding them upside down and they're all ball sacks? I know mine have chambers and veins Thanks for that Gregory. That's a good one. That's that's a better argument than I heard all night All right, let's carry on It's funny I do want to respect our super chatters here and read all your questions out So let's carry on everybody Let's see Howard you admitted that you didn't you don't know what methodology these people use to confirm their accounts of the devil So why are you trusting them? Because I have my own personal experience of the supernatural which I'm happy to debate someone about in the future I can show evidence for my own personal experience And I was also in the Freemasons So I understand that this sex there's secret societies like witches like Satanists and many side orders that really thrive on Disgusting things like blood sacrifice human sacrifice pedophilia Adrenochrome there's loads of horrible things in this world and we see the celebrities promoting it because The god of this world is on the dollar bill. Hey, it's okay Alrighty, so that looks to be the end of our superchast beyond the ones that seem to be quite on the ad hominem side So yeah, once again, sorry everybody that this didn't go the way that we planned, but you know we're gonna wrap it up here and You know I'm gonna remind everybody that our tickets are linked in the description for our modern-day debate a live debate con So check out those tickets in the link in the description hit the like button if you haven't already And we're gonna be back for more juicy debates tomorrow But in the meantime keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable and cheers everybody. Good night Thank you. Oh hold on a second. Hold on skepticism gown drills. Hold on my super chat was an honest question Wait, what are you asked buddy? Hold on. I I know skepticism gown rolls. He won't let me down here Howard if every single modern-day scientific claim was disproven Would that increase evidence for a creator god? If yes, please explain how last question. We'll close it out That's a great question. I'm really happy to answer that you see this is why The earth having evidence being designed was was a point that we were going into Because if earth isn't just a speck of dust in an infinitely sized universe lost in space for that direction Then the alternative is the geocentric model Which means that we have a special location or you could say the center stage Center stages need an audience and just to answer someone else's question I didn't get chance to if there is evidence of a devil Then there would mean that there is an alternative because if the devil is an opponent Who is it? Who is he an opponent to it takes two to tango? Thank you very much Ryan. I really appreciate it All right. Well, we're going to wrap it up there everybody. I'm just going to remind you all to hit that like Share this out. We are going to be doing an after show hanging out over on Osean's channel So I'm going to paste the link. He just sent me there In the live chat so you can meet us over there. Howard you're welcome to join us too So we'll close it on out. Cheers everybody Thanks guys. Bye bye