 Os ydych chi'n newid gyda Nigeriais Sometimes ti'n wneud, ond yn rhan defnyddio eich yrwg amser a mae'r cydweithiau palai mewn cyfigurau yn Rwyr Stryd. Mae'r ymarffraithau yen yn gallu dweud o oedd yn y cydweithiau cyfrifiadau ar y cydwyr ymlaen. Mae'r ysgol Fan yn gyweithio gan gyfunol yn Cydweith Joruit Barnau mae'r cydweithiau yn cyst-r 18 o fewn cyfwyliadau yn cydweithio cyfwyliadau, mae yn cydweithioissaeth sy'n cydweithio a'r cydweithiau yn cydweithio cydweithiau. Yn y gweithio gweithio, Gwfnawr Wyke had inspected two illegal refining sites recently discovered in Iquiri and Emoha local government areas by the council chairman. What's running us to discuss this is Sam Owanosike, the executive chairman of Iquiri local government area in Riverstate. Before that, we'll bring you a quick report on the visit of the governor to those illegal refiners and when we come back we'll have the conversation. Stay with us. Gwfnawr Wyke takes a tour of the illegal bond queen sites and it's a long walk through the track roads into the forest of Oboda community in Iquiri local government area. He moves into the forest of Ibar community in Emoha local government area with the Riverstate commissioner of police Iboca Friday and other security chiefs. The mission is to uncover some crude oil illegal refining sites. Gwfnawr Wyke talks tough. When you come to doing this and killing my people, no one is never government will learn that. And I can tell you with all due respect, we'll take this matter, we'll take this matter very seriously, all this matters with police. You have to retain the files so that we can prosecute the mother on her own, on her own. I don't want any compromises anywhere. And then too, it's not been the ministry. You have to constitute a legal team. Go and get our friends all over the country. Constitute a legal team so that we can do this prosecution to the last. Gwfnawr Wyke directs the state attorney general and commissioner for justice, Professor Zakiw Osadango, a senior advocate of Nigeria to take over the case files of illegal crude oil refinery operators arrested by the police. He wonders why the establishment of modular refineries as promised by the federal government is yet to function. Perhaps this could be the straight-in point to restoring clean air and areas affected by suits in the state. Wel, once again joining us is the local government chairman for Equirio Local Government in River State, Samo Wanusiki. Mr Wanusiki, thank you very much for joining us. I came for this opportunity and good evening for allowing me to use your platform to speak and communicate with Nigeria and to what it's about. I appreciate it. So it's interesting because I used to live in River State and I remember in 2016 when we made this an issue, people called into the radio station. There was even a protest at Government House on the issue of the suits, which I mean every single person who lives in River State understands how serious that is and of course we found out that it was as a result of illegal bunkering. But why is it now that the governor is going after culprits? I do remember that when we were asking the government to deal with this issue they said it was a federal government's jurisdiction. But why now? Yeah, you know first of all it must respect the rule of law as it's a shine in our constitution. If they say Imata is listed in the exclusive myth, then the state and the local government will have no business to come into it. But you know the vice president, Imata will respect so much Imata of God impastor. He came to the Nigeria data and told us that the federal government has made an arrangement to bring modular refinery to the people of the Nigeria data and that that modular refinery will end the issue of the silica bunkering. And we believed it and we waited all this while for the modular refinery to come on board. But like this current APC-ledged federal government like Nigerians and I used to know is no more a story for anybody to think about. It's in the market place that this federal government is used to shifting go-posts in every issue they have promised Nigerians. First of all the promised Nigeria that they will find security they failed. The promised Nigeria that they will prove in an economy they have failed. The promised Nigeria that will clean up Ogonik they have failed. The promised Nigerians they will make dollar one Nara to one dollar they have failed. In everything they have failed. So we thought they would have succeeded in the modular refinery issue. So we had to be patient. But it's not obvious and clear to us that the APC-ledged administration has no plan to talk about it in the modern federal anymore. Because as we are talking we are in the direction here already. So it is better late than never that the governor has come to see that look if we keep quiet and we keep waiting for this federal government we will die. Our people will keep dying. And the problem now is that it's not even the economic sabotage that people are. The hate hazard we are suffering. Young babies born are suffering. Pregnant women are suffering. Strangers will be suffering. We will be suffering. You wash your white clothes. I like putting on white clothes. You wash your white clothes. You spray them. You wake up. It turns to black. You go and take your bath in the morning to go to work in your clean bathroom. The next thing you find out everywhere is that in fact it is something we cannot take. So we now have to take our dust in our hands. See the federal government has abandoned us. They abandoned a lot of it. Even what is happening in this security everybody is not looking for a way to survive. So for me what the governor have done now is to save the life of the people of United States like he did during the COVID-19. So why ask the local government chairman, I'm sorry. You started by saying that you were respecting and obeying the rule of law. So I'm trying to understand if now you've jettisoned that rule of law to do what you're doing in your words to save the lives of rivers people. Again why ask local government chairman to tackle the issue instead of I mean looking at it from the state government's perspective what powers do the local government chairman have to deal with this issue? No. How do you understand the matter? The local government is an integral part. In fact the government closes to the people. The state government is not close to the people. The state government is still, that's why I like government. So he's very straightforward in dealing. He knows that he cannot sit in government as a protocol and realize all the sites where these issues are going on. But as chief executive officers of the local government system, the local government chairman has his food soldiers in all the political world and he has information of what is happening. Like you know that any crime that last more than 48 hours of government is involved. And so because the local government was worried that this activity is not in their poor view. They have to wait for this issue to be taken by the state. Now what the state is doing is not as if we are not aware that this issue of why Ebon Croy or oil and gas scene is to the report. We are talking about the health implication now. We have to be alive first before we talk about the law clock. We have to be alive before we talk about the federal government. Well we have seen clearly that President Muhammad but it doesn't even consider whether we live or we die. Then we have to wake up and say no, let's ice this matter with what is available to us. And if any local government chairman tells you that the government is not giving him back in, the government is lying. If any local government chairman has the support of the government, he has given us security agents, he has told you that if you discover a site, there's two million left for you. And all the local government chairmen are mustering everything they have to make sure all the sites are crossed as we speak today in the current local government. All the sites we have identified, even those who are doing trucking and using our roads, we are arresting them and taking them to the courts and they are paying before the courts and they will go to prison. And we are impending all the illegal products. Nobody, nobody, no stone will be left untone. We want to do it with politics and not do it with how highly placed you are. We want to be alive first as migrants. All right, let's talk about the economic aspect of this because you know there are many reasons. I have had to you know question some of these people who are involved in this illegal bunkering and they say well there is no source of livelihood, other sorts of livelihood and that the government has abandoned them and they're not talking about the federal government by the way. They're talking about the state government in terms of you know. Hold on, hold on, let me land. Hang on, just hang on, hang on, let me finish. Now it is the duty of every state government to one way or the other better the lots of its people and these people that are hosting these illegal refineries are citizens of your state. Now is it enough for the government of a river state to drive away the bullfire boys without giving them an alternative means of survival? What what is the assurance that they will not resort to another sort of crime that might become also a problem to the river state government? So what is the plan in the long term? Hold on, before you ask this question, I want to ask you a question. Do you say that the government is okay okay no hold on, in answering you let me just make this a knowledge. Are you saying for his promises that he meant to Nigeria as a restructuring, fighting of his security, fighting corruption, excess growing, all the failures of present worry that all 200 million Nigerians should take up to arms and hit the street and start committing crime? Are you saying that that is going to be the result of the fact? No, you cannot dig a hole to close another hole. No, you cannot. We are saying that now we need to be alive first and we believe that because the APC layer that the session has failed, that in 2023 the People's Democratic Party will produce a government that will be able to manage Nigeria properly. You're going to talk about Nigeria and we're talking about your backyard here, river state, what I've been waiting for. Let me answer it. Good. Then if by the grace of God, PDP comes on board, we'll bring him profession, we'll just make promises. We don't go to all these things, the PDP is going this way. We don't make promises. When we say we'll do a thing, we'll get it done. All the PDP governors in Nigeria are going to do about the other employment in the state. Hold on now. Unemployment in river state. River state government is providing jobs. The construction site that river states have turned to, reverse men and women are those working in those sites. All the projects that you see that is commissioned back to back to back, they are not falling from the moon. They are done by human beings in river state. Now, if you say that the fish is rotting at the head, what will you do with the body? First of all, we run a federal system. The river state government want to attract foreign investment today into river state. We need an approval from the federal government. First of all, we are talking about restructuring. Just to take it back to that place. We are talking about restructuring. If you restructure the system properly and you say we owe the federal government to pay them tax, that it is us now to manage our resources. We should manage the oil and the gas. We should have our own state police. Then the river state government can say we are going to get partners all over the world to come and invest in river state. And through the term, reverse the actual resources of this nation. We have the resources of Nigeria, of the state food and the federal government who has locked up all our available resources even during COVID. When we say don't come in, federal government insist that oil workers will come in without COVID tax. And that's what give us a spike. You know the truth. And the problem we are saying, Nigeria's are asking media moogwst like you. Please don't use your platform to sell lives. But if not Nigeria, the time has come for all our force for people to look at Nigeria that we can trust. We have to go. We have to go. Unfortunately, we are out of time. I want to say thank you. Simon Wanusike is the local government chairman in Equary local government of river state. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Well, that is the show for tonight. We want to thank you all for being part of the conversation. I am Mary Anna Cynall. See you tomorrow on Plus Politics. Have a good evening.