 Take all the tires off. Why? Are you gonna put it back on? No, you can do that. No, no. I wanna check all your spoke tensions. Put that on there. Are you gonna record me doing all your tires and not help me? Yeah. Your I-CAN wheels. We have a lot going on in today's video which is brought to you by Masterworks where I'm gonna be presenting a lot of details and data to you on these three wheels via an expert mechanics point of view, 18 different speed tests with one run in particular telling quite the story and I'm sure a bit of heckling. So hopefully by the end of this video you can determine what sort of value you get from a cheap set of Chinese carbon rims like these I-CAN Aero 50 discs valued at 670 USD versus a more expensive Chinese carbon rim being these new to market wind space branded Luan Luan, something like that. D45s which are valued at 1300 USD which now have a staggered profile. We have 46 millimetres at the front and we have a 54 millimetre at the rear which is intended to improve handling and steering during crosswind conditions given the fact most the rider weight should be on the rear of the bike and for all those Hyper fans out there we'll be bringing in the predecessor to those wheels over there, the wind space Hyper 50 millimetres which are valued at 1200 USD which you can still buy so hopefully in addition to comparing those wheels at the end of this video you can decide whether it's worthwhile upgrading or spending the $100 USD more for the upgraded version versus the old version. See what's folded over? So what happens is your inner tube will start to eat away in that corner and you'll get punches. Shrub, shrub. Say it with shrub. If you use one of those they clip in perfectly so that's a really good example to use those instead cost a little bit more but they are way better. Quite a tip. In regards to nipples for me when you look at the nipples and how they connect to the rim they run a shallow nipple section that's what it seems I just put a vernier on it before. On the new one? Yeah. If you have a longer or a normal nipple like what you've got on the eye cans you have an aerodynamic disadvantage in effect to obviously anything that's protruding here you haven't got that aerophore working for you as well. That's an eye can. Conventional nipple. Love a bigger nipple. Look the main thing from my perspective is working on them day in and day out. It doesn't really bother me if I have to take the tires and tubes and everything off but here's a great example. So the speed test where I feel like I have one juicy item to share with you and if you're after info on how I do these speed tests info below but just know everything is the same right down to the same tires and tubes. The only thing that is different are the wheels sometimes my average wattage per segment and I do try and pick the lowest wind day possible ideally zero wind. There was a little bit of wind that crept in on a couple of these segments as you'll see from these screenshots that I take before each run I prioritize the hill climb because it's nicely protected. So speed test number one is roughly a one and a half kilometer climb average grade in of 3.6% at 350 watts times three runs on each wheel. Interestingly here the icons just outperformed both hypers. So that has a stuck on tubeless tape. Let's take this one. All right, that one up there has that conventional tape. Now that's great to just pop that off easily and if you had to come in from the top you could get in and actually service those no drama whatsoever. Proper way of doing it is take the hovering tape off you put a whole new one back on so there's a cost involved in that. These guys have run a clearance so they're not, they're still crossing the spokes. Notable difference is that yeah, they've got an air gap between the spokes so they're not using any shoulder support. Yeah, I mean you can go really down a rabbit hole with information like this. So yes, there is. See from a wheel-building perspective when you have something when it's touching you do get shoulder support so you can run different blade of spokes. They've done two design differences here. They've changed the hub nut where the spoke comes into the hub. There's a receiving nut. When you run a normal hub nut in here or you have a normal cylindrical style spoke they can just turn freely. So when people are doing wheel trues or they're tensioning their spokes or they're just riding them and they're settling the spokes can actually move and therefore obviously change your spoke tension. So that's the old one. So it's just a normal cylindrical style head and then the new wheels have flats machined into the top of their hub nut. So it's stopping that from twisting. They've probably done this to stop noise maybe. Maybe they've done that for their design principle. All conventional spokes like a normal wheel. What does your icon have? Does that have shoulder support? Yeah, you could go into any bike shop in the country and order or I can custom cut spokes here so I can make you a spoke to whatever length you can walk in with a weird, wonderful Chinese wheel and I can make you a spoke. If you come in for this, I cannot make up a spoke on the spot. You've got to use their spokes. Did they give you spokes? Yeah, they do. 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They do all the work including selecting the artist, they purchase the art and they securitize it. In other words, making it investment grade. Keen to skip the Masterworks waiting list and get involved in this fine art investing straight away check out the link in the video description. Thanks for nice on this. Okay, how do you know that? Just on an aspect of feeling it, right? So you can kind of tell pop the caps off and check that in a second. So these feel pretty crap to be honest. They don't feel nice. You can hear it. You can hear it. That is notchy as hell. Again, how are you gonna feel that in real world terms? You're not, you can feel it pulses. You already got rust happening in there. So if you came into us and we were selling you this wheel, pulled them out, I double checked these kind of things. I'd greased the end of that cap just to give it a bit of a waterproof finish. Even though you've got a sealed bearing to a degree that water is getting in there. So if you just put a tiny bit of grease in there, it makes such a difference just from the first six months. So this one you probably use the most, right? So if you look at your ironing there, so much restriction there is in that bearing. It doesn't turn through. If you do that, you can kind of see a real life use. So the original Hyper 50s, but first off a little on windspaces history, which I find pretty interesting. They've been around since 2008. So similar sort of age to ICANN. Although I know they originated as a manufacturing company and have recently stepped up their game to be more in consumer focus. So the old Hypers. These are disc brake with a 50 millimeter profile on each wheel in a rim width, 19 millimeters, 26 millimeters external. And you could, but what would happen is you get that light bulb scenario. So if you run a bigger tire, each their own, if you're not phased about aerodynamics, if you're just doing normal writing and you're not doing your speed test or this kind of stuff, if you're just writing, there's nothing wrong with running a light bulb style where it's bulging out a little bit. Total acclaimed weight is 1,455 grams. I weighed them in at 1,475. Proprietary carbon spokes using a two to one ratio. So we have seven spokes on this side and 14 spokes on this side. And if you can look or see, they do this because there's less bracing angle on this side to accommodate the hub and obviously the drive train. And this is said to create a more efficient and stiffer rim. Additionally, on price, we have $1,200 USD and $100 USD for postage for most regions. And they do have a free option too if you're willing to be patient. Are you gonna feel that left right wobble like that? Probably not. But I would definitely true that wheel. So again, so here's the spoke tensions and all it's doing is taking the blade of the spoke, obviously releasing a pressure. What we're looking for here, I mean, every brand has a different suggested kilogram of tension. So for instance, this spits out a number, say it's 20, you look at the spoke profiling on their chart and you can compare all their spoke tensions or where it should be in reference. Most shops would have this if they don't, I'd be taking it from another shop. And most people could buy their own one. You do it up too tight, you're gonna crack the rim, you do it too low, you're gonna end up with your spokes breaking down here. Speed test number two, TT like you mean it. A 1.8 kilometer false flat decline segment at 400 watts. And here it is simply too close to call. And again, so you can look at up and down movement or concentricity as well. I can eye it off slightly out, but that's pretty good. You're not gonna feel that it's not really affecting anything from a real life day to day use. So slow it, slow down. You definitely tell the bearings aren't that good, right? You can just use, bring it to your local shop, you can knock all those bearings out, replace them with new bearings and it'd be perfectly fine. And normal bearings for like 20, 25 bucks of a bearing. You know, if you want something fancier, then yeah, you're gonna spend probably, you know, a couple of hundred bucks more again. Yeah, a whack. A wheel alignment cage, yeah. So your dish is perfect. Thank you. This is the older wheel, right? You've dropped no serious tension on that. Are you saying I'm not producing enough watts? Correct. I'm offended, I'm leaving. Thank you. These ones are, I've only been used a couple of times. But you're gonna get some sizzling, right? So with a new wheel. Again, if you open those up and you don't have a reference point, you spin it. You're not gonna, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the whole point of this. So the new Hyper D45s. Once again, disc brake, rim profile, 46 millimeter front, 54 millimeter rear, 21 millimeter internal width now, and a 27.6 millimeter external. So you can now, without disrupting aerodynamics, get 28 millimeter tires in there. Total weight, 1421 grams, although I weighed them in at 1450. Same spokes, price is now $1300 USD with the same postage options. Bearings are a lot better than that. It spins a lot freer, doesn't it? So that's perfectly fine. See, that spins way better than that one. Though it's newer, correct? Yeah, I can make it. Oh, okay. So it's ever so slightly out again. And that one, again, nominal. I mean, it's not a concern. You want it to work within 10. So it's like, actually pretty good for a new one. That's not too bad. Oh, that she said, it's probably out a little bit. So it's sitting drive side to the right, a little bit too far, and he's come back to left. We're talking less than the mill. Again, normal. Don't worry about it. Okay. There's a problem. Even if the wheel is just hovering, look at that. The whole axles turning. The bearings aren't even spinning. Rumbling a lot. Yeah. I mean, they're actually pretty good. That's pretty good. So a little bit about the Icans. A Chinese based company that specialised in manufacturing of bikes and wheels. It's been around since 2009. And in my opinion, have developed quite a solid reputation. What we have here are the Icans Aero 50 discs with 50 millimetre depth on each rim. In a width is a touch over 18 millimetres out of width, 25 millimetres. So they don't really suit anything more than a 25 millimetre profile tire. We have Sappham X-ray spokes, 24 front, 24 rear there, alloy spokes. Total acclaimed weight of 456 grams. And I weighed them at 450 on price. 670 USD for the wheels. Although postage to Australia, 240 USD postage to the USA, 188 USD and postage to the UK, 155 USD. So for me, in little old Australia, these wheels are coming in at 910 USD. Roughly $1,300 AUD. So all of a sudden these cheap wheels aren't coming across overly cheap. In addition, something that you should be aware of is if you have a manufacturing defect on these wheels, which have a two-year warranty, as do the Hypers. With the Icans, if you find the defect after 30 days, you're paying for postage. But then the bearings have gone to shit so soon. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no play in the bearing, all right? So your viewers know, like there's no play. It's just that they're rough. They're rumbling. So again, if I was going to a budget wheel, you'd probably get those. You've got usability for the nipples. Like, easy to do at home. You've got normal spokes. You've got a conventional bearing that you can knock out and put new ones in and upgrade them to maybe a couple hundred bucks so you could pimp the hubs up. And you pay that with a really good wheel for not much money. And taking that stuff. Yeah, yeah. How much is Ican paying you? There'll be someone in the comments saying that. I can't ring him up last night from China. Okay, so this rear one's got a, you would true that. That one's gone out. Right. Compared to any brand, I don't think that's a problem. Zip, fork, and camping, anything. They all settle and they need to be true slightly. So I don't see that as being a major problem. Rear bearings on this feel not too bad. Again, it's just slightly out minimal. Passable 100% no drama. So serviceability wise. Segment number three, TT like you mean it in reverse. A 2.15 kilometer false flat incline segment where once again, too close to call. But it's speed test number four where I feel like I have some juice for you. The two hypers you can just pull these off. They pop like a cork. So the design on this one, you've got a lip seal here. It's a 6903 bearing. So it's a 17 mil axle, 03 stole bearing. So that can be replaced with any aftermarket bearing that you could find. So it has the multiple engagements and then you have six pulls. Now these are pull, P-A-W-L. And that's your pull springs. Now depending on the brand of the hub and how it works, each time it clicks obviously, that's how it works, click, click. That multiplied by the amount of those will give you a quicker engagement. I think these have a very high engagement. Same free hub body, six pulls, same springs. Doesn't look like they've changed anything there. Shallower style bearing, but it's still an 03 style bearing, but it's smaller. These are not, you cannot pull this free hub easily off. So your axle is threaded together. So with this one, you will have to do some more tooling. You've got to unthread that cap and then you push the whole thing off. You see what I mean? So it slides off that way. Three pulls. Okay, this is where you can tell it's cheaper. This is a basic free hub body. I can also tell just from holding it, it is a lot, a lot heavier. So even though this may be lightweight, this piece is super heavy compared to that. Even though it's different cassettes, yes, blah, blah, blah. Just from doing this all day long, you can tell the difference. This one runs a spring, which runs readily around the outside. That is your pull. Obviously you can see that working. And your spring is actually running all the way around the inside. What often happens with this type of free hub is when they get really dirty, the springs snap. Spring, that one spring is holding all three together. These ones here are running individual springs. So if you were to snap that spring and that pull fails, I mean, it's going to make a mess inside. But if that does fail, it tends to just drop away and then all five of the other ones are going to work. When this one goes, you'll find that you'll lose the engagement and it will just spin on you. From a performance perspective, that's better, that's better. But there's not really any change except for the engagements between the old and the new. And then if you look at this one, you can see this has less engagements. Not as much buzz. More manufacturing costs. There's more things going on here than there is in this one. So speed test number four is a descent, 1.64 kilometers in length, averaging 5.4% gradient, where I continue my 300 watts from the previous segment into a signpost and then stop pedaling and resume the exact same descending position. The times here are clearly in favor of the hypers. And I actually felt something happen here. The descent hits roughly 10% for a while. And there you tend to gather solid speed. Both the hypers hit max speeds of 87 kilometers per hour. However, with the icons, when I was descending, I kind of felt like they maxed out at 80 kilometers per hour, turned out to be 82 kilometers per hour. But I felt like they could have or should have kept going and they just simply didn't. Additionally, swapping the wheels over one big thing I noticed was the hypers definitely feel like a stiffer, more aggressive wheel and the icons feel a lot softer, making the T1500 behind me more comfortable. So ultimately it depends on what type of riding you like to do. These speed tests take me a long time to put together. So if you're getting value from this or this video, if you could give it a like, helps the channel out, I would greatly appreciate it. Today, you've got bikes to service. We've got stuff to do and your bill is racking up. Yeah. Thank you, mate. I much appreciate it. Have a good day.