 Welcome to the call to order of the Monday, August 12th meeting of the Arlington Redevelopment Board being recorded by ACMI. First in our agenda this evening, we have environmental design review of public hearing, reopening special permit number 3348. This is an application of Gary McCoy of Point Signs for CVS at 833 Mass Ave. So if a proponent could come up and walk us through your request, please. Hi. So many folks have drawings, but the store is literally across the street. I'll just pass out this one cover page in my book and I have some other documents if needed. But basically there are two sets of internally lit journal letters on the building currently with the old CVS logo. I'm sure most of you have probably seen the new logo that's been introduced on a bunch of stores where they remove the slash between the CVS and the pharmacy and have the heart icon now as their new granting element. So the proposal is to remove the two existing signs that are currently on the building. They are 33.41 square feet each and we're proposing to replace them with the new logo, which is 33.08 square feet, a little bit smaller, same color, same type of lighting. Really pretty straightforward change. We'll be repainting the facade as well, clean up the whole store. But pretty much life-for-like change out of the signage. Before we go any further and get into more discussion, we are absent one board member tonight. If we do proceed to a vote this evening, we're going to have the items for the board. So being said, you can continue on here. We can ask questions and make recommendations or you can ask us to continue the hearing during the date so that we have all five people here. Can I poll the board? Why don't you continue? Let's continue and see what things go. Let me just add one more thing, actually. The reason for this application, because we're increasing the number of signs on the property compared to what was there, what was previously approved. Maybe you've added signage, but that's not been approved so that from the prior permit, so this is an increase of signage. So can you clarify that a little bit more for me? Sure. Because what's existing on the building now, you're saying is not permitted? No, no, the overall signage plan, so including the parking lot and the building together, you're increasing the total number of signs that were previously approved in the permit. Can you identify what signs those are? It's the do not enter sign. Yeah, I don't know what number that is on the sign, sorry. Do not enter sign. Sign five. The do not enter sign? Yeah. It's a public safety sign. I mean, it wouldn't even think that that would... Yeah, I'm just clarifying the reason. Okay. Before the board, but that was my only... Well, if the board feels we don't need to have a do not enter, I'll take that out of the package. We don't have a problem doing that. We'll go to questions for the board and I'll be getting them in the range of them. I think you actually in your presentation answered the questions I had about repairing and retaining the existing fascia and the current platelet signs that are currently there. And these will be individual letters, not unerased ones? Yes, ma'am. I had no questions. Do you represent CVS or do you represent the order? I represent the sign company and CVS pharmacy. I do all the sign work for CVS pharmacy in the northern part of the United States and I've done so since 2005. Is that the way you're from CVS on the ownership? No, sir. I'm going to stick my stuff up in the dome here, okay? I'm not sure am I in the right to do this or not, but I'm going to. This was a special permit that was opened a while ago and the CVS was allowed to do all its work with in conjunction with certain promises to the house next door. The house next door is ordered up. It's drug-ridden. It's vandals. I don't think CVS feels like it's safety for the drive-through because all the kids hang on the back there. I want the owner to come up and give us an explanation of what he's going to do. When was this approved? It's been 10 years since he's got approval for the whole project. I don't want to hold you hostage or anything else but I'm feeling that there's no other choice right now. So I'm feeling strongly that I'm not going to approve this right now. I would ask for a continuance but you only should come up and address issues that are before us right now. So can you be un-not aware of what you're bringing up? So I understand why you're saying what you're saying. Just walk next door. But I can't go to the CVS and say just go walk next door. I'd like to have maybe some specific things that you're referring to that I can address specifically rather than just saying you're not happy with the house next door. The building next door has been abandoned for the last 10 years since who wrote the project. It's been boarded up because the windows have been broken. New response please have been in there to get rid of drug users, vandals, kids, there's recours, livestock living in there. I just don't want to feel like that on Mass Ave in Arlington. So are they obligated to do something with that building? Yes. What were they obligated to do? I don't have that approval. I'm going to ask about approval. I think we have been at the table. I do know that there are certain conditions as far as we can sense it off to you. So we have to land around the property itself that hasn't been done as you described realizing that you don't have any actual control or authority over that. I think what he's seeking is a meeting with the dealer before we move forward here. It's a real bit of a special problem. It's got to anything. It's what came to look for it. Correct. Okay. And nothing personal. I'm sorry. No, no, no, I get it. This is completely unknown to me. I had no idea. So I wish I knew ahead of time. We've written letters. Yeah. Well, I wish that as the applicant, I wish you could have somebody to send me a notice and maybe I could have taken care of some of this ahead of time. But that's fine. We'll go back to them. What we could do is continue to have it on the next meeting September 9th. Okay. You may want to talk with CVS and see if they can have discussion with the land order. Okay. So let's request a continuous to September 9th. I motion to continue the steering until next September 9th meeting. I don't have to push it. That's fine. September 9th, 7th, 3rd. Mr. Chairman, is this a public hearing? It is. Are you taking public comments? We are continuing this hearing to tonight, but I will take public comments. Yes, Mr. Leroy. Thank you. So just a couple, one question for this gentleman. I understand that they're going to be replacing the signs with some type of internally illuminated LED fix here. Is that right? Yeah. Currently, they're neon tubes in those signs and we would change it to LED. What do you think? Will the LEDs be on all the time? The same as what they're on now. Which is? I don't know. Usually they close an hour after closing? So they're not on all night and they're not on during the day? No. Fine. Just one request for the board, Mr. Chairman, in addition, if you're going to be opening up the special permit to other concerns, one of the things that's gone by the wayside at that property over time is the landscaping. The house that the board re-visit the landscaping plant and have to develop the three tubes. I think you'll find that it's not being maintained at all. I hope that you could bring that back up to what it was at the time the board approved the special permit a decade or so ago. Thank you. Thank you. Can I get your name again? Chris Loretty, 56 Adams Street. I was on the redevelopment board at the time the original special permit was approved. Thank you. Do you have any other comments pending for a second? Second. One favor? All right. All right. Great. See you on the 9th. Thank you. We'll close that. We'll continue that to the 9th. If you're not here with me, we'll make arrangements with the department. You're welcome to be in touch. Thank you. Thanks a lot. And so we have another EER review scheduled for 8 o'clock. So I was like, do you have another business? Yeah. So I'm going to jump ahead. I know we have a proposal here, but since it was advertised for 8 o'clock, we could hold it as close to 8 o'clock because I can. I'll just proceed to roll out some matters there. So third on our agenda this evening is a request for a public hearing and continuous waiver of special permit filing fee. I would like to continue that to another meeting pending some questions that I have regarding our authority to actually be able to waive that permit. I'd like to continue that at least to September 9th but not further out. Can I have one more thing to that? Yes. I'd also like to know exactly what fees were waiving the total amount, not just the fees. This amount? This amount. This amount. So I know the total number of, you know, is it $500? Is it $1,000? I'd like to know. Yeah. I think it's in the second one. I think it is in the second one. I'm wondering whether there are other... That's for the... We're only talking about the special permit filing. That's it. Okay. So nothing to do with the permit, the billing permit. The billing permit doesn't fall under the pre-development budget. We're only talking about the special permit filing. Okay, okay. So that's the total amount that... Which the court does have... Okay. I think there are some questions out there and I know our fifth member has some questions and concerns about that and we'll take a motion to continue that for further discussion. To at least September 9th, if not further, I'll also know that there's a letter from a proponent of that particular project asking us to continue their appearing to October 21st. It makes sense to have those two things on the same date. So a motion? To which date? October 21st. Yeah, okay. Second? All in favor? Aye. All right. And then we have to move the... We request to move the 12-11-12-07 Massachusetts have public hearing to October 21st. So I'll take a motion on that. Do you continue? Do you continue that? Yeah. So a motion? Second. All in favor? Aye. Great. All right. Well, that took care of that. So as long as nobody has any objections, we'll move to the next and only remaining agenda item that's going to catch the public's attention. So we'll still be talking if that's going to be there, but you're still joining us. That's dangerous. Do we have all the parties here who wish to speak on FoodLink? There may be one other person coming, but we'll be following. Are all the presenters on? The presenters are here. Why don't you come up? Take your time setting up. Okay. Sorry to move so quickly. Usually it's the opposite. Which way should we be facing? Towards us. Okay. So all your presentations should be done toward the board. And then if folks out in the audience have questions during all the comments. We're special for our 3604 by Dianne Dupont for FoodLink Inc. at 108 Summer Street in Arlington. The hearing is now open. I'm Julie Kramer, co-founder. Dianne Dupont co-founder of FoodLink. We have Carl Solander and Peter Samboletti of Rivers Architecture. So FoodLink is a food rescue organization started in Arlington in 2012. We collect over 1,600 pounds of food every day. Seven days a week. From Trader Joe's Whole Foods, Equipments, and other local boasters and bakers. The fruits, vegetables, dairy, meats, prepared foods and bread we collect are carefully sorted and then distributed to 38 organizations serving people who are food insecure. Arlington programs receive over 50% of the food distributed by FoodLink. This includes Arlington Boys and Girls Club, the Delany House, Arlington Eats, Arlington Eats Market, Arlington Youth Counseling Center, Chestnut Manor, Cusack Terrace, Drake Village, Menotomy Manor, Neat American Legion Post-39, Elliott Community Services Young Adult Vocational Program, Boise Youth and Family Steps Program, and Caritas Communities, as well as Arlington Senior Center. The remainder of the food benefits people in 16 nearby communities, such as Medford, Winchester, and Lawrence. FoodLink has a staff of four full-time employees and is powered by dedicated volunteers who mainly come from Arlington. The fresh food we distribute is enough to prepare over 400,000 nutritious meals per year, this high-quality food that would otherwise have gone into the waste stream. Part of our sustainability work includes educating others about food code dates. Any food that is not fit for humans is first donated to farm animals and wildlife rehabilitation, and second, it's composted. All the packaging that can be recycled is recycled, so FoodLink is just about a zero-waste facility. FoodLink is providing healthy food to people of all ages and abilities where they live, congregate, learn, and play, thus removing the accessibility barrier to nutritious food. We're also under the hard work for this time. We've been working with FoodLink since we've been a part of this property several months ago. The address of our eight-summer street, so just around the corner, that's Mule Street here, there's the bikeway, so the building is a little black, so much here. It backs up onto the bikeway on one side, the summer street on the other. This is the... the plot plan you can see. That's the building there. There's a parking lot of the... the east side, this is the upside down. And the west side, this long, skinny lot, has kind of a shape of a spear where the park is hit. So it's a bit of a challenging site in a lot of regards. That's what the building looks like now. We're probably familiar with this being that part of our store. And as you can see from the bikeway in the back, it's basically a concrete box with stucco for your simple industrial building. Existing plan... sorry, not necessarily existing plans, but basically what we're doing is... so on the... we're planning to govern the interior of the building with selective exterior components. So we're showing here on the second floor, this is the top level. We're going to go out of the space in the middle of the building. We're going to go over there with the bathroom and the tenant space here. And the basement level, and the tenant space. The main level is food makes, the main operations area. This is where we'll be the loading dock here on the west side. This is the sort of convenience of the building in the sense that there is an outdoor loading dock there now. We just want to enclose it and enlarge it slightly so that they can comfortably load and unload food. Yes, these are the existing plans. The existing site plan. This is their kind of food sorting area. I have a three-basin sink and it's based on the shipping containers or containers the food comes in and sort the food, repackage it, storage in a large cold storage area here. And there's other conference room bathrooms. The other, one of the other main exterior improvements is this accessible ramp that we want to have on the east side. This would make the first floor fully accessible and as well serve as a place where food may fall in years and bring boxes of food into the space. The other main addition you can see here in plan is this canopy which is this dash line that surrounds the building. Calling it a canopy is a hard rift. On this side it covers the area around the loading dock. On the street front it forms a bit of a marquee that sort of bulges out here in front of the bus stops. We're providing some shelter for people waiting for a bus in front of the building and then it covers the ramp so this is the kind of main design feature on the exterior that we're adding to the building. The site plans you guys can't read these two or three much but this is the same interior. The site plan on the west lot again this is the loading dock side. We are currently asphalt and we're going to maintain this is an asphalt parking lot however this little area is a kind of raised terrace we're not proposing a new retaining wall with permeable paving here and a bike storage area and potentially a little sitting area for cleaning employees so this is added permeable paving to the site and I'm kind of re-grading here with the retaining wall it's a five-year or so um the east lot we're proposing adding another area of permeable pavers where the parking spaces are their whole parking spaces here we'll go over a little bit of parking on the next slide in terms of drainage these large roof areas we're adding we're going to capture that water bringing in some downspouts and feed it into two dry wells which are still in design a 25-year storm holding chambers so we'll be able to capture all the water that currently just falls on the asphalt and flows we'll see through the back of the site and then plus these two areas of permeable paving I think overall we're going to be capturing additional needs in our spare feet of surface area I'm kind of engineer to re-ject the water into the site so there's some details on the parking and transportation plans we have this facility over here this one holds six long-term storage spaces for bicycles there's actually six more up above what we can account for because they require you to raise the bike which you can account for your zoning code and then we have four short-term spaces right next to the well right on the west lot these four spaces are all dedicated to link spaces and this will be primarily their operations loading and unloading these two larger spaces are for their vans these two smaller spaces would be for employees or potentially one who is dropping off all the parking spaces will be for a fee and the employee parking would be for a fee including these two which are dedicated for the two tenant spaces in the building this is a visitor space this is a two-bank space as well so we have eight total spaces on site so we are asking for parking relief for requirement of 15 in the zoning code in addition to that there's a few on-street parking areas here this is the bus stop right in front of the building and if you can see this a little better we did a parking study of one week the food link's current facility to see how many vehicles were parked on the property every hour and basically maxed out at like five or six on the weekend but generally it's more like three or four which is what we've designed this site for the community and food link is secured from the owner of this lot which is where the food rate is more additional spaces here which would get them plenty of parking to accommodate their traffic flow and generally on the weekends is there when they have the most vehicles because that's when most people are volunteering so in addition just this kind of map showing all of our transportation assets here we have the bike path obviously right behind the building the bus stop right in front of the building use the other bus stop for a quarter mile radius so there's several bus lines available here and there's a lot and Vienna we've been seeing to try to get some additional road parking on this lot as well this is the the Myrat family this is our study of how vehicles will access the site so on this side the east lot will be mostly passenger vehicles so the access much the same way as it is now 20 sort of key brain about 22 to 24 foot I think with here with four full size parking spaces on this side we want to be able to accommodate a box drop up to a 40 foot length so they can't be designed so it's tall enough to get under through the study we determine that trucks will approach through the east and then back into the lot and then they'll have to continue going east because it's just not a good possible plan to make that kind of turn in that direction and this traffic study was sort of hourly or a log of all the trips that food like employees made during a one-room period 25 rows here so on the busiest day there were 25 trips made over at 13 hour periods I'm not talking about a really high intensity traffic this is 2 vehicles a day I mean going 2 vehicles an hour sorry I mean going at the maximum traffic period during that week talk about the design of the exterior elements this is the new canopy you can see over here on the renderings as well the elevation we're placing all the windows with new troubled ways windows the side will basically make this aspect will be painted then we're adding this kind of band of wood which is across just underneath the edge of the canopy and on the underside of the canopy and at the eastern western the sides under the canopy kind of feature of wood especially as you come to the east or west along the summer street from the lightway similar idea where between this wood band all the way across the back this also provides some of the ability to insulate where the force lab meets the exterior facade we're trying to do a very sustainable design here so according to our projections the building will use 80% less energy than a typical new building of this type partially because of a very well insulated envelope design which has to do with trying to reduce the thermal bridging where the concrete slab meets the concrete exterior wall there which can't really be mediated from the interior so we're using the cornice and the canopy to sort of conceal insulation so it's doing double duty with those things from the east side the new grand under a roof here on the left side the loading dock area with the wood cladding around it this is the short term bike parking this is the underside of the roof on our plan see all the wood here we do have some lighting we're proposing basically downlights in the canopy that would turn off at night they'd be on motion sensors at night time deliveries they'll be saved building section talking about some of those insulation elements new signage the large roofing sign has 18 inch letters located here near the bus stop towards the east side of the building along with this roofing's motto below these will both be painted metal letters that will be individually mounted to the facade then we have the building number three locations on this pier on the door on the new entry door on the east side so again just to reiterate the existing condition of the building and then what we're proposing again these large canopy areas new wood some lighting you can see on the rendering store we're proposing lighting at the signage the front door and then the view from the bikeway it's kind of really mostly covered with trees you can only get some limps in the building that's it so as I said to the other the other applicants and the other hearing we have down a member tonight so if we do proceed to a vote we might ask us for continuance before that happens well I remember the board this evening that being said unless you wish to ask for continuance right this second I will move to questions and comments from the board in terms of public hearing I think what you've done is great I think it's really attractive use of existing building making it a vital service to all of the food that provides a vital service to the Arlington community I'm really impressed with what you've done and it's thoughtful I think what I'd like to see and what necessarily I don't need to be promoting is a transportation and management plan particularly because you have volunteers coming in to the site and I know I appreciate the fact that you've done a traffic study and you have laid out all of the transportation alternatives I'd just like to see that you encourage people coming to the site to use those alternative methods transportation which you might do to encourage that we actually have what we thought was a plan which would include providing a bike for employees we have a shower I forgot to mention inside for biking we have more than the zoning requirements of bike parking spaces so we're encouraging the biking and then paid parking for employees for those spaces and what do you envision you don't have to get too deep into it as far as the tenant spaces I mean anything else anything to that? yeah we don't have any tenant who's said that they want the space there's a preference for a like-minded organization so there could be some organization that is not the public but provides a service to the public we will not have an individual service there and who's also in some sort of sustainability but that's our preference okay thank you these canopies at each end they live underneath they'll have recess lighting so they're just normal operational hours so I'm not yeah we have them on a motion sensor I think for security and for any nighttime drop off do we have a lighting plan with our submission? yeah it's on the what? can't be reflected okay all those little dots then we have, I don't know if you can see on this plan but there are a couple linear lights with a sign like this one and one over the door okay I went over there this I think either I don't know if I get it but I went over last week and I noticed that the trees from the bike path are fairly tall they're like maybe 12, 15 feet above the roof of this existing building right now I'm just guessing how do you plan use it with the solar panels you got up there with your only no I mean so we've talked to the tree arborists for the town and they said we should actually cut some back away from the building and then the solar company was amazed at what percentage we are able to get it's well above the normal percentage so the town's okay with you guys cutting trees no not cutting trees apparently we have the right to trim trees away from our building that's my understanding this is from the arborists I'm just telling you what I have heard that if it's like hitting our building and such like that then we're allowed to trim and the solar company they have their device where they calculate the angles and stuff the trees are the tallest ones are at this end of the building back of the bike path and there's one tree that's way over there but there's one big tree there I'm just concerned that you're not going to say we got to prove or so and also we see this like staging and things like that's way up in the air because you come back to say the trees block the panels so they just low on the roof they don't project more than a foot and a half I think so that's what we're going to approve low and pretty much flat to the roof it's a ballasted install they sort of sit on a little rack and then you'll work with the Arborist to trim back some of the trees they've been contacted once but that's preliminary they still want to collect half of it off and it dies because it leads right over to the other side that's all alright you guys kindly use the two lower windows as your egress for the basement units egressing onto the bike path so they're just bigger windows bigger windows for bigger windows some of the one side of the building that has windows I'm just asking is that going to be some sort of egress or we have discussed that with the MBTA and they're not minimal to that so that has been alright so that is just pure windows then because I was sure it looked like a door well what's happening there so the T is not amenable to creating another connection down to the right path not at this time not at this time we have been in discussions with them but at this point they're not it doesn't mean that they won't be because we're still trying but we have to proceed because we can't wait a year we have to proceed with the assumption that we don't have access there we wanted to try to make an accessible entrance from the bike path to the lower level that's what I thought you had there it's kind of residual probably from that design that's where you get more light then can I ask you you have the loading up flat in this nice wood that's a loading up any thought of maybe taking some of that money and materials and putting it toward the front entrance facing the street that's a little more to it than this we have right now I'm not trying to tell you to spend more money I know your money is limited but I just wanted you to put some of that reallocate I have the same question just put it off the loading dock put it in the front door you know well two things to that probably will need to put a little bit more of a durable material at least on the lower area of this so we want mostly wood on there but that's the concept can I ask a primary question about in terms of your visitors will they be using the front door primarily or are you trying to drive them to the accessible entrance there the way that the plan was it looked like the reception was oriented towards the front door to Kim's point that this is the old plan that you would be driving people in the summer street facing facade yeah the accessible entrance is more for volunteers who would be driving up to their car and loading a couple of boxes of food onto a cart but most people you're going to have yeah I don't think that there's a ton of just walk in visitors here but one of the main facades I mean you don't really have you know we're right on the sidewalk here so we can't really add cladding another also reason not to put wood in the front is maintenance because right now it's covered and so it's lower maintenance because it's not going to be as exposed to the elements and one of our requirements in an architect is that it be lower maintenance building so that the cost of operating is less going forward if you put wood that extremely exposed to the elements that adds a level of cost for the future of food length and I mean the other point is that this is all kind of glass entrance right and inside here there's going to be a wall where there'll be kind of graphics you know food link signage and stuff inside and potentially like a changing display of their activities so I think that's sort of what we are hoping for the front door is to have inside that you can see through the window some some let's say rotating signage and stuff and it's not signage graphics so we don't have one there okay we're just saying the front door needs some work okay if that is your front door it is what's facing the public what everybody sees I know you want to be so you're saying not have a clear door you want a solid door there is that what you're saying I'm not saying what to do there I'm just saying the look of it there right now is that it looks very plain and like it looks like a side door to me it doesn't look like a front door to the building I actually kind of I think get what they're trying to do here which is you know the business of food link is the business going on at the loading dock getting the food out to the people and that's drawing the attention to that on purpose that's kind of how I interpreted it and that is the public face they wanted to show there's something you want to drive people to walking over into the loading dock area which is you know if I'm looking at this facade that's where you have the orange door and the wood and you know I think perhaps you know again if you looked at instead of having the wood on the loading dock side perhaps it's a band below your ribbon of windows on the front facade you know again I would I agree with Ken I would suggest taking another look at what you're facing the residential spaces across the street with and perhaps just thinking about the allocation of those materials and to his point again not trying to drive costs just thinking about it again about future costs I don't think again under the canopy is going to give you that much more protection from the from the elements still exposed to the elements it's not I I hear what you're saying I think I mean one thing that we discussed would be actually having your roles painted on the facade in the future we're basically limited to paint I'm not opposed to a graphic you know perhaps treatment either it just feels a little lonely I mean the material doesn't have to come to the ground I mean you've done a good job here I have all the faith in you to come up with a nice elaboration of the front a little bit more I think you're up to the challenge and you can do it and I'm not actually spending more money I'm just saying maybe you look at different materials take similarly from the surrounding I'm moving back because it's not very durable either I mean short palates are going to be bumping into it and all sorts of stuff so if you just take a look at that a little bit more it's not a deal break here I'm just saying it looks a little you know you can work on that that's all I had to say so I'm I like the project it looks a great organization and this is clearly a big improvement over the old auto parts store I I I'm disappointed that he's not on board with the connections of the bike path so I and Summer Street unfortunately is not particularly bike friendly so I think as part of your TDM plan directing people on how to how to most safely and comfortably ride into into the new facility from the bike path from the nearest connections whether it's down at Middle Street or I think there's a connection out of the bike path further west on Summer Street so that's that's something I think you might want to formalize and maybe as part of your TDM plan give maybe to new volunteers and give them over half of suggested ways of getting there obviously you've thought very carefully about the bike parking required by the new bylaws so I appreciate that and don't really have any specific comments about that even got covered short term bike parking so that's that's a big plus with respect to the request for parking reduction I appreciate the work you did on the parking study at your current location and you know I believe you understand the transportation needs of your business and I think I'm confident that the way you thought this through will work but we want to make sure that that we're following what the bylaw requires in granting the parking reduction so if you are intending to count offsite spaces we need to make sure that there is a legally enforceable agreement in place for the use of those spaces Can I ask a question? Yes we weren't adding those in because we only we asked to reduce to 8 so that I think that goes beyond 25% reduction so 25% would be 4 if you go to 25 so we exceed we double the minimal amount so if you do the 25% of 15 that's 4 spots and we're going to have 8 25% reduction it's not a reduction 25% 25% on page 6 they can reduce it by 25% they're thinking they need 25% up to yeah I think that's where the confusion is I understand it how Jenny is explaining it the reduction can be up to 25% of what is required which 15 spaces are required so they need 11? no the reduction can go down to 25% of what is required so that's 4 spaces so they are allowed to reduce all the way down to 4 spaces as the bylaws are in they're providing 8 spaces that was ours that's how we've done it alright can we read more because I didn't understand well that's true sorry about that I'm excited to read this and just they noted in their in their letter regarding reduction that the letter of agreement would be provided with regard to any if they do any share that was my I wanted to see those letters say again so I'd like to I think 4 parking spaces meets the requirements of these own bylaw I'd just like to see the letter for our records for the other agreements just to understand what's being done there I think we also have some requests as far as the transportation demand would be too far ahead I'll see the only question I think they have that hasn't been addressed is on the side of the the building where you have the ADA access on the ramp do you have a handicap parking space on that side for visitors there might be something that you want to think about to accommodate could provide one state law doesn't require one with only need spots so if you're we have a 5 foot aisle next to that spot and you have a visitor spot right so I would just ask you to consider if your visitor spot could be handicap accessible it might be something you want to take a look at since you're going through the effort of making this an accessible building I do want to just say that I appreciate all of the effort that you're going through to make this so much more sustainable sustainable building and the energy reduction that you're building into the space for your official installation and the windows that you've selected it's really commendable that you've gone as far as you the last question I just wanted to also ask, I think that you have this covered through lighting underneath your canopy but if you've ensured that there's enough site lighting for the parking spaces or if there's any other additional pre-standage site lighting for the parking that you need to add in we had talked about maybe doing some solar lights down here so we're a little concerned about this area just at night you might want to add something at the center of this lot and I'm here at night if you're making it a space that you're encouraging people to use we just want to make sure that it's also permanent permanent process getting an easement from the MBTA no what was the question getting an easement from the MBTA I don't see how you're going to do that with chain wall or do any of your work in the back of the building without that yeah I believe the contractors they have a process for doing work on their access to their property for a project like this I don't think it's an easement because my mind is a longer term no, no, it's construction yeah, yeah, yeah okay, so you actually have been in the discussions with them we consider that as far as the construction managers responsibility and construction yeah, well, it could be I've done projects in the past before when you said, okay we'll move up to the contractor then as the contractor talks to them, they say no we'll talk to them it's a little bit outside of our no, I'm just saying that it's a suggestion that it was right on the lot line any work on that backside of the building based on the RDA yeah what is code for a driveway, isn't it? 22 feet go back back in turn yeah, I mean if you look at the back, if you look at this drawing sorry, when you mention the handicap I'm going to look at this, it shows it as 21, 22 foot 1 right here at the widest part so you find there but then it tapers down to I don't know yeah, it's a little bit tapers what is it back there? does that make the visitor and the spare spot not compliant or do you have to rotate it a little bit the other way or something you just don't know because of the way the lot tapers would be just like a foot so then it's not a space then you can't just say the tapers you can't just do that so you have to figure out the way around that unless you solve it now I mean I'm trying to solve it I don't know if there is a way around it I mean we could call it a compact space and then these are your 10 foot spaces so all the compact spaces we'll have 22 feet we actually taped this off on the lot and parked cars so it works but yeah, you're right it does taper so that's the way to do it there in the back I'm going to open up public comments if you see any other presentations I can't see you raise your hand I'll call on you in the comments to one more than three minutes and we're ahead, yes sir Guy Morello I live on Love and Yerks Road and one of my comments would be the bus stop should be moved was found on Summer Street maybe a hundred feet or so but I can see the big track the trail is over there having a little difficulty stopping traffic and the track the trail is but who's we don't have trucks box trucks I didn't know how big the operation was I was going to say once you leaped get rid of that bus stop bigger trucks could pull up front and you could put a handicap parking right there a loading zone and a handicap I think you have a great suggestion if we could do anything to the MBTA let's say the moving bus but no I do appreciate that thank you my comment to Hope I'll leave you here I thought that big orange thing would say 10 wheel or trying to back into that spot No, thank you I appreciate it Next, yes sir Hi, my name is James Butler I live on 115 Summer Street with the four door new neighbors food link and so we're having about the project my question is actually things covered here today I've covered most of my questions the one remaining one I have is actually not for the food link program itself but just a request or suggestion to consider a crosswalk that would connect those two bus stops because there's it is a busy street and that does seem an appropriate place to help pedestrian traffic I'll request that so to follow up on all these MBTA comments so this one we are looking at what to do about the bus stop and then also just in general the pedestrian activity in that area so we will continue that conversation internally with the transportation planner and then also just talking with the town manager the transportation advisory committee potentially and then we are actually interested in pursuing some sort of access in the rear of the building as a future phase so it took potentially a year that turned into what we thought would be a simpler request and a longer term conversation and so we are supportive of that as well but all of these things combine internally thank you thank you thank you next no further comments I will close for the comment for this evening turn it back to the board it sounds like we have some additional requests as far as design and transportation management some other items that I think the board wants to consider before we move to a vote incorrect on that I think we will have a view of this continuous September 9th this will be kind of full but it makes sense to do it then as long as we have that time we can come back that night to present any additional information or revisions which we might be able or willing to make I guess I am not 100% clear on what exactly we are looking at the entry area we are actually looking at the entry area the other item we asked before is the traffic demand management plan we need to get a consultant for that because we thought we had you just really need to flesh out what you discussed with us when I asked the question in writing so that we have that as evidence to justify parking reduction what we asked for I think I would like to see that and we asked about a landscaping plan is there a landscaping plan that we need to be concerned with is there landscaping that we need to be doing on the site that we should consider it should be shown on this plan basically a small plant in bed here, some greening some planters here it wasn't sure what they were doing it was fine if you had some notes just say what can be done in bush it wasn't fine there one wasn't fine there just a tiny bit more detail as far as that goes and then we reduced two parking spaces to release compacts come out give us the dimension there once they are compacts we get to 22 does that put us away from a handicap spot it's not a requirement it's more of a question it's a request if we can get one on there that would be a good request we can get to it it has to be a full spot for a handicap it's puzzling deferring to the experts on that good other questions, comments, requests before we how often do you have the box trucks backing into the loading dock it's not very often right now it's twice a week to pick up the amount of boxes I think you have that in your chart yeah they're so fast they're so fast that parking was recommended by somebody who does this once an hour so they could have been in and out in like eight minutes and we wouldn't even we know always we will now but we wouldn't know what time of day does that happen around 11 a.m. around 12 12.30 or 1.30 I'm just thinking about whether they're what the best way of doing that safely is going to be given the traffic on Summer Street since you have to back across two lanes we've actually watched the box trucks that delivered to the liquor store and what they do is they come, I think they came from the east made a U turn in Summer Street and then pulled up at the liquor store that's what they do we're not, we don't want that this plan was to have it pull in straight and then back and then pull out those two existing curb cuts here okay so they're not backing up the cross track that was my one concern very scenario thank you for not doing that actually if you look on google maps it's a white tiger what do you think? so is there anything else we want to see as a board? not a good job do you think it's a great job? we really like the project if you can address a few of those issues that would be great so this is a 21 day then start from then or now when 21 days starts from when the decision is usually standing on the January 15th January 15th January 15th it's four months from now it's a six month project we'll be again okay well my guidance would be the new entry is really challenging for them we spent a lot of time talking about the facade and the challenges that I have with the fact of the building really they have no depth there they can't change a lot obviously the facade is basically the same with the exception of the band that they added and the canopy and that was the extent to what they do so with the possibility as a paint I'm not sure how else to advise this particular applicant and potentially taking that window and turning it into a door so you basically have a double door but I don't know if they'd be amenable to that and that's actually not really the same size if we just had the door match you got it it looks like the other option is to turn it into another orange door but I don't know if they necessarily want to want to have that look but I mean we staff could of course work with this applicant to advise a better more prominent is that an open door opening is it an open door? yeah you couldn't even make it a double door because the stair up was in front of that so here's what I suggest and defer the other members of the board I think we can we can make it a condition that the applicant can continue to work with staff on the entryway, transportation, event management plan and parking spaces the existing conditions so the agreements which was the other part of it if they are doing any sort of shared parking arrangement and then how they configure on the site plan the cars in that part of the lot that would be subject to the approval of the department if we have any concerns about it we would bring it back to the board similarly the types of plants that are proposed in the landscaping plan and the exterior lighting which we don't have to review yet but we can review that as well and with any of these items if there's a flag or an issue we can bring it back but that allows to these would be special conditions in addition to the general conditions so so I'm going to move to approve with the special conditions that I mentioned I'm not going to be predeticated but we have it on camera say it all right but you know what that is so what we would do is move to approve the special 3604 with the general conditions as recommended by staff and special conditions as outlined by the director so second all in favor congratulations now the 21 days start thank you I'm not going to hurt you I appreciate it great project so give them a minute or so to Alex I don't know I don't know pretty well I thought I was going back to loading I didn't notice the box we were having a meeting with the liquor store that place is a nuisance because there were no clothes for past the pack in the front over there looks like a good one all right thank you all for coming we have one item left on our agenda this evening so if there's anyone who would like to be heard in the open forum we'll be a back and forth conversation but if there's anything you would like to present at this time I will allow it I just had a quick I have no presentation but I was just wondering about the format was that a PowerPoint format and who could close it that was a PDF a PDF file shown full screen with the clicker and the USB device this is my work computer so I loaded their presentation on this and Karl could control the movement of the presentation as long as it's in PDF format not PowerPoint it could be PowerPoint as well it could be PowerPoint or PDF use the clicker easy anything else see none we'll take a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn all in favor thank you