 So would you change your position now? Um, no, because I know what I know. You're lying. You're lying. You are part of the problem. You don't deserve to have animals. You do not deserve to have animals in your care. It's incredibly egregious what she's doing, actually. I will not stand for it. I can't believe what was just sweet. That man there was a kind soul. And we need more people in the world like him. Wow, look at all the activists here. Whoa, that's a crowd and a half, isn't it? Thanks for coming, everyone. Who watched the documentary? Today we could do some ways of enticing people who aren't vegan to watch the documentary through the reactions of other people who see some of the scenes that are in the documentary. Have you seen anything like that before? No, I haven't seen anything like that. Like that? Too sad to see that. They're lying to the public about what they do. I think so. It's too devastating to see that. Yeah, bless you, my friend. Thank you so much. Thank you. Take care. What did you think of it? What did you think of this? Wow, I kind of think it's not everyone. It's like, come on, I raise my own pigs. Do you? Yeah. How many pigs do you have? I have two pigs in every acre of land. Two pigs. I can't eat nothing. They're cleaned. The kids play football with them. Where do they go after you're done with them? Where we eat them, because that's where they go. No, I was asking where they go. Well, they go to our local abattoir. Okay, and what do they do there? They're injected first, so they're, you know... They inject them with what? They inject them with what? I don't know, but it's a bit of sleep. They inject them with medicine? Yeah, something's pretty simple. You do when you go to the hospital. I don't think that's true or accurate at all. Were you from Scotland? No, I live in the UK. Yeah. Yeah, I'm an investigator, so I've never heard of anyone injecting anything. How many pigs do you have? I don't have, like, six at a time. So you've got six pigs? Yeah. So you don't supply them to the public, general public, obviously? No, no, we just... So I'm talking about this here. I took all this footage myself. Yeah. I filmed it all. Yeah, but it's not everything. It's the majority? No. Yeah? I don't know. Okay, so... So, six right, and all my friends are farmers, right? And they all raise animals, and trust me, we have sleep... I don't want to trust you. I'm an investigator. Yeah, but we... So we... We set up with our animals all night. And how most of them killed? What they put to the average for. What was the last footage you seen, the last clip? Well, not like that. Excuse me, what was the last clip you saw? Yeah, they saw them being gassed. Okay, what proportion of pigs do you think are gassed in the UK? I don't know. I don't know how many are gassed. So 90%. Right. So 90% of pigs are gassed. But the rest... Nine million of them. Yeah, but the rest aren't kept like that. What do you mean? They aren't kept, and then... So what proportion of pigs are factory-farmed in this country? But the ones I know... 90% to 95%. I obviously... What proportion of mothers are in cages? What proportion of the mothers are in cages? I said, we don't factory-farmed. I didn't ask if you did. I said, what proportion... You said they're not all like this. I'm just telling you that the majority is. Yeah. Right, okay. So would you change your position now? No, because I know what I know. You're lying. You're lying. No, I know what I know. I'm an investigator. You don't know anything. I do, because I know... You've got six pigs on your... You've got six pigs, right? Yeah. These pigs are being literally tortured. And the best thing you've got for me is it's not all five pigs. I've got six pet pigs, and they get injected. That's a liar. You are part of the problem. Yeah. Because you're telling good people that they get injected. They get gassed to death in torture and suffering. So you're lying to people. They don't get injected, do they? I don't tell anybody anything. Are you a farmer? Are you a farmer? And your friends are all farmers? A lot of my friends are farmers. They're all part of the problem. If they're not telling the public what's actually happening to the pigs, they're liars and negligent. Name their farm for me. I'm not going to. Because you don't want to be transparent. This is Norfolk Free Range, right? This place supplies weight shows with high welfare pigs for years, right? Norfolk Free Range is a very big free range company. Yeah. And they purport themselves as the best. Well, what else? Okay. It's not a hundred percent. So you say one thing, the cameras show another thing. Yes, but they're not showing a hundred percent. And how the hell would you know what happens on farms? Only when you go on to farms. I'm an investigator. Are you talking to the person in the film? You know, I went into that gas chamber and put those cameras in there. Me? Yeah, I understand that. And you're telling us that they get injected. So why are you lying to people? I'm not lying to people. You are. You said that your pigs get injected. They get shoved in the head and stabbed in the throat. A lot of them still eat meat. Yeah. And you need to stop lying to them. And pretending that farming is not like this. This is what farming is like. You're not a farmer. And you're lying on behalf of all your farming friends. No. Which is negligent and wrong. You need to come to some of the smaller farms. I've been to small farms. And have you been to small abattoirs? Yeah. I investigate small abattoirs as well. Stick a camera in there. Do you watch your pigs get slaughtered? You obviously don't because you think they get injected. Well, I don't actually stand there and watch them. Yeah. So you think they get injected, which is an abject lie? Yeah. Well... It's a hilarious joke that you think they get injected. Well, whatever they do is... Yeah, yeah. Whatever they do, are they your friends? Are they intelligent? Yes. Are they curious? Yes. And how do you sleep at night knowing those poor pigs are going to a slaughterhouse? Are they shot in the head or shocked in the head? And stabbed in the throat? Yeah. And you don't have any conscience about that? No, because I don't have any. You're completely disconnected. You said they get injected. You're disconnected. I know how I raised them. They're not pigs. And how are they murdered? They were animals. How were they killed? They were killed into the abattoir. And I trusted the pigs. And you go, You say, see ya. And you think they get injected. Well, whatever they do, they put them to sleep and weed them out. Tell us how they do it. I don't go to quite a march. Why don't you? Because you don't go in and watch. Why don't you go in and watch? Because I trust them. Because you would rather be removed than what you're doing. No, no, no. You are killing them. Yes, I know. You're essentially killing them. And they're terrified. But that's... What do you think it's like in a slaughterhouse? That's why you raise them to eat them. Do you think that's acceptable to raise these animals, to slaughter them, to eat them when you don't need to? What gives you the right? Well, we've always... What gives you the right? Every right. You don't deserve to have animals. What do you do? You do not deserve to have animals in your care. Right. What would we do with them if we didn't slaughter them? What would you do with all the pigs? Not raise them. Do you know how farmers raise pigs? Yes, of course they do. And how do they breed them? How do they breed them? Well, anyway... They jack off the male animal. They knots around with them. They knots around with the animals to breed them. They do. Put the footage on the screen. They do. Completely cold, completely heartless, lying for the industry. Farmers are part of the problem. Huge part of the problem. Perpetuating lies and nonsense, pretending that her pigs are euthanized with an injection when they're literally gassed or electrically shocked and stabbed to death. Lying on behalf of all farmers, it's incredibly egregious what she's doing, actually. I will not stand for it. I'm not going to sit here and have a happy conversation with someone who's outwardly going out the way to propagate lies on behalf of animal killers and animal torturers. Unacceptable. This is not a general meat eater. This is someone with a lot more culpability, which is why my tone was a lot different. And I read that straight away. She watched some of the most horrifying footage just then. I said, that's not all farms. I have six pigs. They get injected. My farming friends, la la la la, started immediately defending the farming industry, which is why my tone was exactly how it should have been. Clearly wrong what she's doing. She has no right to go out and lie for the industry that literally tortures and kills innocent sentient beings. And she should know better. She has blood on her hands. She's killing her animals at her property. And she doesn't even have the guts or the spine to watch her pigs being murdered in an abattoir. Absolutely unacceptable. I refuse to be gaslit by these manipulators, these farming manipulators. They're gaslighting people. If I was an investigator for years and years and years and knew exactly what I was talking about, she could have easily manipulated me into thinking, oh, she euthanizes. I'm on a happy, like, sanctuary farm where she has two pigs per acre, nonsense. Liars, manipulators, gaslighters. Bad people. Covering your thoughts after that? Yeah, it's fucking terrible. Yeah? It's fucking awful. Fucking awful, mate. Yeah. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Do you know what I mean? I can't believe what I just see. And they're going to get prosecuted, aren't they? Well, which part? Because you've seen a lot of things. You're trying to ban this, aren't you? Is that what this is now? So basically, I filmed all that footage you just watched myself. I've been in the slaughterhouse and filmed all the farm, each of those farms. So we're essentially showing people to gather their reactions and their thoughts about it, which you've given me yours, which seems to me like you condemn this and are opposed to it. Yeah. I'm quite shocked. When you go walking down the supermarket aisle and you see pictures of animals and you look at the labels, it's a lot different to that, isn't it? Yes. Why do you think that is? They're trying to promote you, trying to buy it. Not what is actually behind it all. Exactly. You know what I mean? Exactly. Yeah. So why do you think we're showing people to you? Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Very interesting. And you're a good man. Oh, thank you. You are, I can tell. You felt that what you saw with your heart. Yes. Which is what we need people to feel it. I took a lot of risk to gather this footage to bring it out to people. Yeah, because obviously you must be vulnerable now. Now you've filmed it, et cetera, et cetera. They're vulnerable. I attack the industry. Oh. They should be afraid of me. Oh, OK. Yeah, I'm not afraid of them. Right, good. Because we've been protesting them and I exposed the first gas chamber footage in the UK. Right. Before this, if you watched this documentary that I have out on Amazon Prime now, it's called Pignerit. Right. And this is this... It cannot take a picture. Yeah, of course. My kids. Ah, of course. Is that all right? Yeah, go ahead. You can see exactly how the story of how we gathered this and what we're trying to do. Right. And how the industry and welfare organisations, like, you wouldn't believe how many are involved with stuff like this. Really? Do you think these are isolated incidences, or do you think... No. There's going on rice, you know what I mean? Yeah. Throughout the country. Yeah. And not only eggs. I should think other animals as well. 100%. That's exactly right. The same principles apply. When you're mass producing... Yes. And animals are no longer treated as animals, so they're treated as products. Yeah. And you're treated as a customer. They're a product. And you're right. These principles apply to all other industries, which is why I don't actually give them my money. At all. I boycott all of the industries that use animals. Because... So you're vegan, is that what you're saying? Yeah. That's another way of putting it, yeah. I'm a vegan. Right. People don't really think about what that is. No. But when you see that... Yes. It's just like, I'm making a personal protest. Because if you found out I had a dog charity, but I was putting all the dogs in Slaughterhouse, you wouldn't donate to me, would you? No, no. Without a doubt. Why do people donate to people who do this to animals? Hmm. That's what you think about. Like, they're giving them... If we... If no one here in England, bought animal products, all the slaughterhouses, all the farms, all those... They'd phase out, shut down. It wouldn't exist. They wouldn't have to exist. Oh. Right. Okay. Yeah. Bless you, mate. Thank you very much for your honest little reaction. Are you angry about that? Are you angry that they've made you buy that? Think about it. Human. Yeah. Think about it. They're making you a good-hearted person, compassionate man. Yeah. Shame on them. Yeah. Shame on them. But we want people to be outraged that they... Yeah. They'll be outraged. Yeah. How dare they lie to good people? Think about it, man. Yeah. They're lying to, like, you know, people with families and children who go in and buy them a ham sandwich. Yeah. They don't know that they've tortured these animals... No. ...to feed to their bloody kids. Yeah. That's a shocking... It's just a moral crime. They should be bloody arrested, these people. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's the attitude and the energy they deserve. You know, the animal abuses, and they're making people like yourself complicit... ...without knowing. Yeah. Okay. Bless you, mate. Bless you, mate. Thank you so much for stopping. Absolutely legend. What a great guy, man. He was genuinely affected. Yeah. And he was like, all other animals too, isn't it? And I like it. He looked like he was like really... Good crime, man. He's like, show me the documentary. I want to show it to my kids. What a... You know... People, if you actually analyse the way I speak to people, I talk to people how they are. How do they react to the seeing that horrible thing happen to those animals? What is their attitude towards it? Are they cold? Are they mocking the animal suffering? Are they compassionate people? And that's how I'll respond to them. If I'm being a certain way, it's usually because the individual have a certain attitude towards animals. You know what I mean? That man there was a... kind soul, actually. And we need more people in the world like him.