 Hello! I'm alright Dad, how you doing alright? Yeah, I'm just sitting down, I'm going to chat with the mate James. James, yeah he's alright, yeah he's a nice lad. He knows, he's had a few chats with Paul Ferris and Dave Courtney and all that like, who else? Vic Dark. Do you know Vic Dark? Yeah, Vic. I was, yeah. Oh yeah, we were just talking then about how I found out I was your son. Yeah, well just saying to James, I don't really listen to any of this shit off anyone. We've had our DNA test done through the prison service, we know the cracks. I don't listen to that shit as you know. You weren't the only one. Yeah, we're just having a little chat about it, that's all. I know, I was just telling him about all that legal stuff, we've got this appeal we've just won. The court case. I know, I've done all my speech with the lawyers and that to say in court, if you have to stand up and tell him about all the good stuff you do. Hey, did you, I've not told James yet. Do you realise that record that we brought out, you're number one in Cyprus, number three in Sweden and number 29 in the British charts. Did you see that on the paper on Sunday? Yeah, everyone could see that. Yeah, that would be good, wouldn't it? So Maz is here, we've come up to Glasgow to see Rodney. Oh, it's horrible, isn't it? I fucking cried my eyes out all day yesterday. So yeah, so James, he rang up while I was in Glasgow to come and have a chat with him. So it worked out alright, actually. How'd you get on with the doctor? Did you go and see the doctor? You don't like anyone? Fucking hell. Yeah, I bet you would, yeah. Oh my god, I'll tell you what. Yeah, Jimmy's a good lad. Jimmy's been to see Rodney and Reggie, hasn't he? Yeah, oh, I'll tell you who messaged me the other day. Maureen Flanigan. Oh, she's been having people messaging her saying, you don't know the craze and all this and giving her loads of grief. And she said about when he was on the roof at Broadmoor, she walked past you with Rodney and Reggie's mum, didn't she, and Charlie? Oh, that was the first... Right. So you took the roof off in 1981, 1983 and 84, wasn't it? I know. Well, think of all the jobs you've created. Exactly. So what do you reckon now about getting out? Do you reckon we've got a good chance now we've got this public parole hearing? Yeah, well, this legal team we've got. Brilliant, aren't they? Yeah, well, what a team, aren't they? So what are you... That's yourself. Yeah, I've told you that. Yeah, well, look how far you've come the last three years. I mean, you're just a complete changed man. I was saying to James, you know, we've been teaching you all about remorse and instead of regretting stuff, because you regret taking that guy hostage because you've got time in prison, now you've totally changed and now you've got remorse and you're actually sitting there thinking, well, that poor bastard that I fucking took hostage, everything he's had to deal with all his life and it's making you realise, you know, the error of your ways and realising what you've put people through rather than the consequences you've had to put up with being locked up. And that's what... The other parole people want to wear, they want to wear that you're remorseful and you understand what you've done to these people. So they all say that when they come and visit you. Yeah. You're in the JARPS. You're not just a songwriter, you're a fucking hit. You're a hit pop artist. Right, so when you get out, what are you going to do? I mean, we've talked about this loads, haven't we? Don't sell anyone... Don't sell anyone where you're going to go or anything. Yeah. Yeah. And work at the crime museum. Yeah. Yeah. Can't wait, you deserve it now. You've been out of trouble for so long and do you know what's really good now? It's like I've said to you, over the last few years, this is the first time in your life that you've actually... You're not sat there as a lost cause. You actually know you've got so much to work forward to now to actually get out, you've got a goal and you know that if you smack one of the guards or hit someone, that's the last nail in your coffin, you're never going to get out. Yeah. I mean, that's massive for you, isn't it? Have you got any regrets? Have you got any regrets at all? Hey, I went... He's organised for me to go and meet Arlen Lord. Do you remember in Manchester? He's a lovely fella, isn't he? Yeah. Yeah, we sent him some money to help fix the roof in the gym, didn't we? Yeah, he's a lovely bloke. Have you... Yeah, Vick's doing good. I don't know, Vickie Dahl. Yeah, he's doing well. An absolute pleasure to do a bit of porridge. Hey, I was saying about... There's no porridge in prison anymore. You have to have Rice Krispies now, don't you? It's outrageous, isn't it? I was just saying as well. Do you remember when I came to see you just before Covid? Yeah. And I think it was at Waddill. And they took me in the wrong room and put me in with that Michael Adder Bawagi. Yeah, they put me in with Michael Adder Bawagi, didn't they? Oh, do you know what? I forgot to tell him about that when I met Robert Maudley. When I met Bob Maudley. When he said, go to the window and say hello to Bob. So I popped my head up at the window. I went, all right, Bob. And he had his face about an inch from me. I went, all right, Bob, nice to meet you. And he looked at me and he opened his mouth, smiled at his teeth. And I turned around and he was in the cage, pissing himself. And I was like, what are you laughing at? And he went, do you know who that was? And I went, no. And he went, it's a fucking cannibal.