 It is six o'clock. This is Vice Chair Diane Christ, and I'm sitting in for chairperson Lainer. And I am calling the Transportation Advisory Board for August 14, 2023 to order. Roll call. Council Representative Yarbrough. Okay, go ahead. Vice Chair Christ. Present. Board Member Bennett. Present. Board Member Wicklund. Member McInerney. Present. Board Member McKee Burroughs. Okay. Do I hear a motion regarding the minutes from last meeting, the July meeting minutes? Does anybody have any corrections or discussion? Yes. On page four of the minutes, the Vision Zero Stakeholders and Partners list, it's much shorter than the list that was in the handout that was given to the board members at the meeting. Now, I can't recall if the longer list was actually presented at the meeting. And I'm going to ask a staff and board members to search their memories and help me out with that. So, my point is that if the longer list was presented, it should show up in the minutes. Thank you. Board Member McInerney, we'll add that to the, to the, to them. Yeah, we, I think the one we did give has more of the stakeholders and partners. Okay, thanks. We'll add that. Also, in the same part of the minutes, I'm going to, I'm going to read a sentence, I guess it's a sentence, a quote, it will be embedded in the action plan, will involve changing policy, end quote. I don't quite understand that and I wonder if there's a missing word in that. Can you call it up or shall I read it again? Okay, thanks. That's it for me. I'm meeting. Any other comments? Okay, do I have a motion to approve the minutes? Yeah, I moved to approve the minutes from last. Okay, so moved and seconded. They are approved. Oh, wait, we need to vote. Can everyone vote to approve the minutes? Okay, next item is communications from staff. Good evening, vice chair. My name is Phil Greenwald, transportation planning manager with the city of Longmont. We've got a number of items. We started with three and now we've up to about nine. So I guess there's a lot of things going on these days in the city. So I just wanted to remind everybody of our seventh annual sustainable transportation summit on August 30th from eight to noon. A number of you have signed up, which is great. So thank you very much. If anybody else wants to sign up, please let me know and just email me at my email address and we'll get to signed up. If you'd like to still attend that. We also have, there's Dr. Cog, Denver Regional Council of Governments puts together a civic academy every year. And if you'd like to be part of that, they're taking applications through August 25th. It's basically a seven, seven week course starting September 12th. It's in person at Dr. Cog every Tuesday from six to 9pm. So you'd have to go down to Denver to make that work. But it is a great course if you're involved or if you want to get further involved with government city government or regional government and start to understand more of what's happening in the processes with funding and all those good things. So I wanted to let you know about that. And then also kind of the bigger thing that's been kind of bantered about in the emails over the last couple of weeks has been the vision zero timeline. So we want to be clear about what we're trying to do from staff. We are trying to hire a vision zero coordinator in the next two to three months. So we should have that done in the next two to three months and get that completed. Once that person starts, we will work in earnest to get to establish that task force and have that person help us because we really think this person has to be part of that effort. We can't start it and then somebody come on later and try to catch them up. So we want them to be part of that effort as well. And then we'll start applying for the action plan grants that are out there. So there's a lot of planning dollars available to do those action grants or action plans. And so just want to let you know that that's kind of our step in the process. We'll need the task force to determine how the action plan actually moves forward. So we need to make sure that's established first so that all be happening in the next quarter. Basically it's when we're higher and then get that person established and start that task force and get people from this advisory board as well as others to be on that task force. That makes some sense. I think the perception has been that the city is finally starting to think about zero fatality goals. But the reality is before I started here I mean you know more than you know it's been engineering engineering and transportation planning's goal to not have anybody die on our roads. Obviously since the beginning of you know cars on roads basically for the city. So we just want to make sure that you don't think that this is like we're just starting this process and this is a new effort. This is something that this staff has been concerned about since we've all started in. So just to give you a heads up vision zero is just something we're going to keep we're going to make better and better and better. So and we'll need the citizens of Longmont to help us with that. The other reality is that the city is actually creating a center of excellence around vision zero. So it's a new top down structure basically starts at the city manager's office. And we're going to that it's so critical to the city right now that this is it's at that level that we're building a center of the team. We're building different teams to kind of put together this center of excellence and making sure that everybody knows throughout the structure of the city of what's going on with vision zero. So those are the things we're trying to work on now and I can answer. We can answer more questions if you'd like to know more about that. We can certainly answer more questions about that. But I wanted to just let you know that it is a city manager's office is very heavily involved in this process. And so it's not just one department or one unit of the city. It's citywide at this point. Any questions on that before we move on because I know that's a big one and you can always ask during your items from board members to other things come up. Will a task will the task force process involve a consultant or would the consultant only come on afterwards to prepare the plan itself. That's a great question. We're not sure at this point where we're going to involve a consultant or if we need to involve a consultant. Jim has more on that. I'll echo Phil's answer in that we're not sure yet. Although we did budget money for a consultant for next year in the 2024 budget. So kind of covering our bases on that one but we we originally anticipated that we would use one. We changed our minds now we're we're sort of still up in the air but but if we if we decide that and that could be part of what the task force kind of decides early on will will be ready. I also think it'll matter it'll depend on who we hire. If that person is really a high level vision zero coordinator and has a lot of that experience, we may be able to use that experience to help put together the action plan in house as it were. I was just going to ask so we had the plan from last month. And so I think a few of us went through it and made some comments and suggestions and I was just wondering when the best time is to do that in a public way so that maybe we can have a discussion with all the board and bring together all of our ideas at one time. Yeah but remember boroughs I think the original idea was we were going to just solicit your responses back individually and put it into the action plan outline at staff level and then bring it back to you with those additions. If you'd like to do something more public than that. I think that's up to the board. Would you like to make a motion. Council member boroughs to discuss. Yes please. Make a motion to open a discussion about the vision zero plan. Do we hear a second. I'll second that motion. Just for clarification is that for a future board meeting or is that for this one. For right now. Okay. If we could discuss. Council member boroughs if you'd like to start the discussion. Oh I'm sorry. Thank you board member Wicklund. Okay. If the board could vote. To approve the motion on the floor to discuss vision zero input. All in favor. I. All opposed. Two thirds. So I think we have it. Okay. We need for. Can council woman. Yarborough vote also. So the motion does not pass and we will. To approve the motion. To approve the motion. To approve the motion. Table that discussion. And continue on with our. Agenda for today. I'll just keep going with communications from staff. I'm sorry. I've got a few more. Sounds good. Go ahead. Just want to let you know that. That's what I'm missing. Rectangular rapid flashing beacons. For the three blocks along main street for the mid block. Crossings are going to be installed before the end of summer. So. We're going to move on to the next slide. Any questions about the RRFB. Rectangular. So look forward to those. Those are going to be exciting. Also school is starting. So we're going to. Well, you'll see increased enforcement activities around those school zones in the coming weeks as school gets going. So. Look forward to that. And also we put out some education materials as well to let people know. So we're going to be taking buses and those kind of things. As we get into the new school year. So just want to let you know that was happening. We've got a. Quick slide for you about the 17th annual. 17th Avenue missing sidewalk section that we're working on. Right now. And I've got. Tom street to help us. Talk a little bit about that. Let me get that up for you. Yeah. As Phil mentioned, my name is Tom street. I'm with the public works and engineering department. Our 17th Avenue sidewalk reconstruction project is. Currently in progress. Construction started approximately three weeks ago. The limits of the project is along the north side of 17th Avenue from cook court. Going east to approximately Lincoln street. This is in a replacement project. The existing sidewalk is an asphalt sidewalk that has been in place for many decades. It's deteriorated. It's distressed. It's in very bad shape. And we're in the process of replacing that with a much wider. Concrete sidewalk. Design on this process took some time. There were about 18 different parcels where we needed easements and right away from so just the right away acquisition process took. 1820 months, but you know, as I mentioned, we have finished all the design right away project went out to bid during the second quarter of this year. We opened bids. We actually got a fairly competitive bid from our low bidder. Our low bidder is a company called stone and concrete. Total cost of the project came in at $820,000. And we expect that most of the civil, most of the heart improvements will be constructed this year. We anticipate that we'll probably need to come back next spring and finish up all of the irrigation and landscaping work. Any questions for Tom? Excited about this project finally getting underway and hopefully done. And then I'm going to turn it over to Jim for some Boston Avenue Bridge and Spring Gulch. So continuing with the topic of ongoing CIP projects. We were issuing a press release earlier today on the Boston Avenue Bridge project. Construction, that's the $12.5 million bridge project between Price Road and Sunset Street on Boston, just west of left hand brewery. Part of the, one of the components of the RSVP project, we had had a bidding earlier in the year selected a contractor and that contractor is starting this week. So you'll start to see activity down there. A current plan is that the road is to remain open. They'll build the bridge half at a time. And then there will be some selected closures during the course of construction, mostly simply to stage materials, but traffic will remain open for the course of construction. The other project we have that is will be coming up soon is the Spring Gulch number two, phase three, extending from existing Trail Union Reservoir down to 119 with a underpass under the Great Western Railroad. That project was bid out. We have selected a contractor and that they are working through the contract items, but we anticipate hoping to see construction started this year, one likely within the next two months. That is it from staff. For now. All right. Thank you, staff. We're moving on to number seven action items. Oh, hang on. Council Member Burroughs. Just a question about the Boston Avenue work. What's the plan for the bike path in that section? It goes through. Tom, do you wear what the bike path under the. Okay. The bike path under. Under the bridge is has been closed for the number of months. There isn't established detour and that detour will continue to be in effect until such time as they open it up. Bear in mind also that that within the next few months, the next phase of RSVP will be. Be undertaken by the Army Corps of Engineers. They have finished their design. They are bidding the project out and that extends up to just a little beyond sunset. There will be an additional closure right now. It's kind of like open through there, although it is fenced off that part of the trail will be closed and there will be a revised detour. Because it's understand we've heard heard some a lot of criticism about it. But it is the best detour we at staff has worked on. And there's not a lot of options in that area. There's a little that the railway tracks, for example, are pretty gnarly to cross over on a bike path. Because gravel path that goes to connect to sunset is not well maintained. It's really overgrown with weeds now. And in the winter it's not maintained at all. Just because I know this is a long-term project, it will be maybe some more work done on those two. Thank you. Board Member Wichland. Jim, just to continue on the Boston communication. In the interim until probably a more easier practical detour can be made, will bikes be welcome on the road? Or like, because I'm assuming it will be stop-go traffic a little bit? Or is it going to be a very narrow two-way or something like that? You mean on Boston? Yeah. I am not exactly sure what the existing, what the plan is going to be for bike and pads on the bridge. I don't know. West of the bridge, the road gets narrow so shoulder-wise doesn't quite work. Well, Phil, let me know that the bikes will not be restricted. They'll still be allowed on the bridge. So in interim, people have a way. And I assume with all construction traffic will be going pretty slow. We anticipate that it will be, we usually in some cases we do lower the speed limit in the construction zones. We can look into that. Board Member McHenry. Regarding that same construction zone, will it be signed to indicate that bicyclists can use a full lane in order to avoid conflicts? We can certainly look into how we sign that as a share the road kind of feature. Make sure that's understood that bicyclists will probably need to take a full lane for that stretch. Okay. I think we're ready to move on to action items. Section A, appointing one tab member to the TMP consultant selection. Oh, go ahead. Did I miss that? Oh, that was after communications from staff. Sorry. So do we have any public invited to be heard? We're on number five. I don't think we have any public in the audience, but we did want to point this point you to the email that was sent out early or was. There was an email sent out by Scott Conlon and he is asking about different things associated with the possible rec center and library with a tax coming up tax request coming up. And so he did indicate that that was supposed to go to the TAB and he did indicate that he could not be here because he is a member on the parks and rec creation advisory board. So he could not be here. So we assumed that he wanted to make that statement. So we wanted to put that in front of your, in front of you tonight as this email, but that's all we had from public. Okay. Has everyone had a chance to read it? Any discussion or concern? Comments. Okay. All right. Well, I have a question of Phil is how would you like us to respond to this? It seems like Mr. Conlon's asking for our input. Vice chair, Chris, I think. Let us know if you have any input, but I think it's just him making a comment and asking staff for some information mostly. So if there's a request of TAB in there, I didn't print my copy out, but if there is a direct request, we'll certainly can ask you that through maybe email channels or something like that. But I think at this point, I'm assuming I'm taking it as just his comment as if he was a public and divided be heard. Yeah. We don't respond back to that as mentioned earlier. Yeah. He finishes with, if there's anything you can share on early studies or reviews, it would be really helpful if you could share it, if this could be shared. I would just say our comment back from staff as staff was we don't have enough information yet on what's all incorporated into this, into this proposal yet. And so we can't make evaluations on how much traffic is generated until we have better understanding of what's actually going to go into that site, where it's going to be located and those kind of things. We think that there's a lot of things out there associated with the existing schools, like roundabouts and neck downs and for ease of crossing. So there are a lot of things going on out there right now that are already in place. And we would look at how this proposal, if it's passed by the voters comes forward and what it looks like in the future. So there's a lot of steps before we do further evaluation on this project. Okay. Thank you. All right. So we're on number six informational items. So did you have additional ones? We do not have any informational items at this time. Thank you. Okay. Great. So now on to number seven action items, a appointing one tab member to the TMP consultant selection team. Yeah. Tonight's staff is requesting that you appoints a member, one member from the transportation advisory board. Unfortunately we have two members missing tonight, but we're asking for your support to appoint one member of the board to work on our transportation mobility plan consultant selection team. So that's the request before you tonight is somebody, please volunteer. And then with the board, we're asking the board to take action and formalize that. Well, at least we would like to have one person move forward as the member of that selection committee. Okay. I'll throw my hat into that ring. I have helped to prepare dozens of proposals that involve transportation projects and transportation scopes of work in my career with consulting firms. And I've also taken part in many interviews for transportation projects. So I think I might have something to add there. My one concern is that I would not be available on Friday, September 29th if that was an interview day. At this point we don't know exact, but I did put in the communication approximates. Right. As far as time goes. Yes. And I move we elect board member McInerney to the TMP. Second. Okay. The motion is to elect board member McInerney to be our Tab representative to the TMP consultant selection team. Can I have a vote please? All in favor. Say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. The motion is carried. McInerney, you're in. All right. Let's move on to action item B. Proposed 2024 capital improvement program recommended projects. Vice chair, Christ, board members, council liaison, my name is Tom street. Tonight I'm here with Alden Jenkins. And we're here to present many of our transportation related projects in our upcoming 2024 to 2028 CIP capital improvement program. Also tonight we have several other staff members. So we should be in good position to answer any questions you may have. And I wanted to mention that if you do have questions, feel free to jump into the discussion at any time. As far as the format for tonight's presentation, as I mentioned, we're going to present many of our transportation projects. But at the end of tonight's presentation, we're going to be asking TAB for a recommendation. And there's going to be two different options. The first option would be recommendation of the CIP as presented by staff. The second option would be recommendation of the CIP as presented by staff. But with revisions recommended by the TAB. I'm going to go into just a little bit of background information on our CIP or capital improvement program. Our CIP first and foremost is a planning document. It identifies the five year infrastructure needs throughout the city. A project within our capital improvement program can be can really fall into three different categories. It may be a brand new project. It may be a replacement of an existing infrastructure. It may be modification to an existing facility. Our CIP identifies met and unmet needs in that our projects are grouped as funded, partially funded, and unfunded in the CIP. And our CIP is a dynamic document. It changes each year in response to changing priorities and funding levels. And one item to note is that even though our CIP is a five year planning document, when City Council reviews all of our CIP projects this September and they move forward with approvals of the budgets in October, only the expenditures for 2024 would be approved at that time. So even though it's a five year planning document, expenditures are only approved one year at a time. Staff will use a variety of information to help determine which projects go into our CIP. At the highest level is our Envision Longmont document. It's our comprehensive and multimodal plan. And the overarching goal of this plan is to develop a complete, connected, and balanced transportation system throughout Longmont. Staff also uses a variety of other master plans and studies to determine which projects go into our CIP. They may use our storm drainage master plan, our parks rec and trails master plan, Longmont roadway plan, et cetera. So a lot of guiding documents are used by staff to determine which projects go into the CIP. Staff also uses various asset management plans to guide which projects go into our rehabilitation program. We'll also use bridge inspection reports that we receive from the state every two years. These reports will help guide which bridges need repair, which bridges need to be replaced. And of course, you know, funding is always a consideration in selecting projects. In Longmont, we have two dedicated funding sources for transportation. The most critical is our three quarter cent street fund sales and use tax. This is a tax that was initiated in 1986. It was originally set up to maintain and improve our street system within Longmont. Since that time, it had been extended six times until 2019. In 2019, this tax was permanently extended. The second funding source we have in Longmont for transportation is our Transportation Community Investment Fee, or TCIF. This is a fee that has restricted uses. For our municipal code, it can only be used on material street and intersection improvements. This fee is levied on new construction, and these fees are collected at the time when building permits are issued. But again, when it comes to funding transportation in Longmont, our street fund sales and use tax is by far the most important, the most critical revenue that we have. In our upcoming CIP from 2024 to 2028, we have many different types of projects. We have bridge projects, asset management projects. We have multimodal alternative mode projects, safety projects. But our focus for tonight is going to be on projects that have a funding request for 2024. All of the projects that you see on the slide, up on this slide, are projects that will be presented tonight. The information on this slide was included in the TAB communication. It shows a couple of different things. It shows the proposed funding, the funding that is being requested by staff in 2024. Funding coming from the street fund is coming in at just over $15.6 million. Funding being requested from TCIF is coming in at just $400,000. So the total staff request for funding from these two sources in 2024 is just over $16 million. First project we want to talk about is TRP 001 as it's identified in the city CIP. This is our asphalt payment management program. This program on a yearly basis will have five, six, seven different projects. This is a program where we hire contractors, heavy highways, civil contractors to perform all of the work. Projects may range from pavement rehabilitation, concrete repair to pavement preservation projects such as crack ceiling and chip ceiling. The goals for this program, we have listed some of the high level goals for this program. We have listed in the lower right corner of the slide. And one of the chief concerns of staff is that we are always trying to design, construct and maintain all of our transportation improvements in a fashion that we end up with the lowest possible life cycle cost for that infrastructure. We like to make data driven decisions. We use our pavement management software and related tools to determine which projects go into these rehabilitation projects. And equally important to us is our effort to build credibility as good stewards for use of our limited public funding. Asset management truly is a core responsibility for our staff. We have over 357 centerline miles of roadways in the city. And the lion's share of maintenance and rehabilitation completed throughout Longmont is completed within this program. Our next project is TRP 011, our transportation system management program, or simply TSM. Again, this is another program that on a yearly basis will design and construct several projects. Projects may range from ADA improvements to neighborhood traffic mitigation projects to safety projects to alternative modes. Again, a lot of different projects are designed and constructed within this program on a yearly basis. Tonight we wanted to mention four efforts that we'll see a focus on in 2024. First projects I wanted to mention are two projects on County Line Road. Our first project on County Line Road will widen County Line Road from 17th Avenue up to Colorado 66. The widening of this roadway will accommodate buffered on-street bike lanes. Also included in the scope of this project is pavement rehabilitation and various drainage improvements. This project is currently under design. We expect in 2024 that we'll finish the design effort. We'll acquire all needed right away and easements for the project. And this project is slated to start construction in 2025. I also wanted to mention that we have received outside funding. We've received just over $3 million in grant funding for this project. So Phil has done a great job as far as bringing in that state and federal funding for this project. Our second project on County Line Road is a segment from Zlatan Drive to the St. Vrain Creek. This project is very similar to the segment to the north. We're going to widen County Line Road to accommodate on-street bike lanes, pavement rehabilitation, drainage improvements. What's different on this project is it's a joint project with Boulder County. Boulder County is the lead agency on this project. This project was originally set to go to advertisement for construction services during May of this year, but the schedule has been delayed. The revised schedule shows that the county will take this project to advertisement for construction services during November of this year. If we go to add in November, a most likely start date for construction would be early spring of next year. Again, this is a joint project with the county. The city's expenditures are capped at $475,000, and the last cost estimate for this project was coming in at about $1.1 million. Third project we wanted to mention is our Sunset Street in State Highway 119. Improvement project, this project has two distinct components. The first component is a road on Sunset Street from Kansas Avenue north to Nelson Road. The second component of this project would be intersection improvements on Sunset Street at State Highway 119. This project is in the process of designing dedicated right turn lanes, dedicated left turn lanes for both approaches on Sunset Street. The project also includes various head and bike improvements. The good news on this project is that it also received outside funding. We have $1.5 million coming in for the construction of this project. This project is well into its design process. We've encountered a couple challenging design issues, but we believe we're going to wrap up the design early in 2024 and we believe construction could start in the second quarter of next year. The last effort I wanted to mention is our Vision Zero effort. The funding included in our 2024 TSM program to kick off this city-wide safety plan. With that, I'll be turning it over to Alden. Good evening, Vice Chair Chris, TAB members. If you could hold on just a minute. We have a few questions. Oh, sure, absolutely. Board Member Wicklund. Thank you, Tom. Back on the Sunset Street, just so everyone knows and anyone watching on YouTube knows. The road diet is really an extension of an effort that we started several years ago on Sunset Street. Essentially, you have a four-lane roadway, two lanes each direction, no center-left turn lane. Our first effort, as I mentioned, was several years ago and it converted those four travel lanes to a one-travel lane direction segment with a center-left turn lane and on-street bike lanes. That effort on Sunset, that initial effort was completed from Pike Road up to Kansas Avenue and our next effort will extend from Kansas Avenue to Nelson Road and again, it'll take the four travel lanes, convert them to really three travel lanes with on-street bike lanes. I guess my general question is and I know, hopefully with the task force, we'll be looking at street design standards as well, but is a center turn lane justified for also other uses, so it's a meaning where maybe the center turn lane is 10 to 12 feet wide where that space could be used for other uses or a greater buffer for a bike lane, etc. I'm just trying to understand how we can look at street design standards in the future. I think there's certainly opportunity depending on the particular location in Longmont to have those consideration on segments, but looking at Sunset Street itself, particularly that segment from Kansas Avenue through the intersection with State Highway 119 to Nelson Road, we do have a number of access needs and we really think that left turn lane will really add a lot as far as safety to that corridor. I agree less lanes help safety. I think too many access points limits safety as well, so it's all the parking lots and etc. and I know that's way out of budget, but just as we think of the future and maybe more, I don't prepare the city for the next 30 years so I just want to keep that in someone's head. Staff would wholeheartedly agree with you as far as trying to limit access points as much as practical. The challenge becomes most of these are pre-existing and trying to reduce, limit the number. We do make the effort on most projects, but it's a challenging conversation. And business owners to deal with as well. So I just have a question about the, you mentioned bike lane addition to that section. Is it going to be a buffered bike lane or just a narrow lane? Do you have an idea about how wide it will be? Just more details. Great question and I'm not sure if I'm going to add a lot of detail to your question. It's something that we could research and determine. I know it's a bike lane that will meet our requirements. I don't know if it's going to be a buffered bike lane on most of that segment, but I would have to verify. Mr. Street, I didn't see a project sheet in our packet for the citywide safety plan. Did I miss something? And I also don't see it on the CIP summary list. Are you referring to vision zero? I heard you mention the citywide safety plan. Are those two things the same? Yes. The citywide safety plan is equate to our vision zero plan. Is there a vision zero project with a project number on the CIP? Yes. It's part of TRP 011. It's included in our TSM transportation system management plan. We have allocated or proposed funding within that program for vision zero. I would like to thank Mr. Christ, board members, and council liaison, Alden Jenkins, senior civil engineer working with Tom Street. The next project that we would like to talk about is TRP 092 Boston Avenue connection. This is a second phase of what was a two part project with the first phase of the project. It's a connection at the intersection of what would be a future Boston Avenue and Price Road crossing the BNSF railroad tracks right adjacent to the project. It would provide a new east-west connection that would be continuous from the west side of the city all the way to Martin Street. Improvements on this project would include connectivity for pedestrians, bikes, and vehicular traffic. It would also include bus rapid transit. Since it is going to be a new connection that would be the primary access route for RTD's bus rapid transit project. Eventually connecting to the future first and main station project, which we'll talk about here a little bit later in the presentation. Since it is crossing the BNSF railroad tracks, this project does require approval by the public utilities commission to PUC. PUC at this point and so we are just awaiting a judgment from the PUC at this point. Our design is currently at 30% completion and we intend to keep it at our current design level until we hear back from the PUC and their judgment on whether or not they'll actually grant the application for that crossing or not. So quite a bit hinges upon that decision from the PUC for this project. The funding request for 2024 does include lion's share for construction cost as well as a little bit of design funding and right-of-way acquisition funding for 2024. Again with the right-of-way acquisition that would be contingent upon approval of the PUC application being granted before we would actually pursue that. This project crossing the railroad tracks will be constructed as a quiet zone project which does tie in well to our next project here. TRP 094 our railroad quiet zones says a project that addresses numerous locations throughout the city with existing crossings. The first package included for this project is at 3rd Avenue Longspeak Avenue 9th and 17th Avenues. For those that may have noticed that photo that I did provide is not a photo of a Longmont quiet zone and that is because we don't have any quiet zones fully compliant quiet zones in Longmont right now that is actually in Boulder County but that's the intent of this project is to construct quiet zones at all of our crossings throughout Longmont. Status for the project this first package was submitted to the PUC for approval and was granted approval and we are looking at potentially going to bid for this project here in the relative near future of this year with construction potentially starting late this year or early next year. The second package is currently under design and the funding request for 2024 is addressing largely that second package and subsequent packages beyond that. So the funding that we have in there right now for first for the first package has already been secured so this is a continuation of crossings beyond what's listed in that first package. The second project to your P0 98. Hang on just a minute. Board Member Wicklund has a question. Oh, I'm sorry. I do have a question. Board Member Burroughs has a question. Could you go about that to that side? So the way this obviously we don't have anything like this as you mentioned right now. Would we expect to see this type of like all the barriers here along the road in the quiet zones in a moment? It really is going to depend on the intersection at hand in the configuration that we have with the existing lanes. That's one method to be able to channelize traffic in one particular way. By and large I think we're going to be using raised medians for that sort of protection. I don't think we have any cases where we'd be having this sort of scenario with these raised barriers. But if there is confined space in a particular intersection, it may be warranted. And as we continue to work through the design packages, second package and beyond may be something that would be warranted, but right now I don't think that's the case. So the railroad would be raised up. Am I understanding that right? So that it would slow down the cost? Is that what you mean? The crossing itself would stay at grade with where it's at right now. The cost approaching would be raised. It would be at the existing elevation of the roadway. No, it would not necessarily be raised. Okay, I guess I'm not understanding. So Board Member Burroughs, the main focus on quiet zones will be the addition of gates and warning lights for the most part. The idea being that by the Federal Commission's rule in the early 2000s for trains to be required to blow their horns at every crossing. They blow it about 95 decibels, which is rather loud. So to institute a quiet zone you do safety improvements. And in most cases it's going to be like a double set of gates. So cars cannot drive around in some of the areas where there's pedestrian movements. There also might be gates for the pedestrians as well. The road for the most part will stay the same. So in this case this looks like in my head mostly like a rural crossing. But in most of our cases in the city we'll be adding as Alden indicated some type of median or curb work in the roadway to isolate the lanes where gates might be located. Each crossing is kind of different. So each one is a different design. One thing other thing to add in that the quiet zone project did receive a grant from the Federal Railroad Administration which was about at the time $4 million which was about half the project. We've seen some cost increases. We have chased another grant. We were not successful with it. But it is moving forward. Thank you Alden. Back to the Boston is there any status or hopefulness to actually approve this? Because I know we talked about this last year as well. Sure Board Member Wickland the BNSF has indicated informally and now formally at this point that they do oppose the project. They have told us that they will do what they can to fight against it. And so the city has submitted a pretestimony for that project as opposed to actually going in front of administrative law judge and arguing your case at that point. So that should help at least in terms of timeline help us hopefully move more quickly but in terms of actually granting the application beyond my knowledge I'm not aware of anything that's been indicated about four months I guess is our timeline but in terms of approval of the actual application I don't think there's been anything that's been submitted at this point. On a lot of future planning. That certainly doesn't. And then for the quiet zones one thing is the crossing arms and lights I'm assuming there's still like little bells for visually impaired members of the public. I believe that wayside horns or bells are used for that case. And then any reason for the jumping around is you know it's third, long speak, 9th Ave whatever and then it goes 4th, 6th, 21st or you know it was a reason of not just going south to north or north to south. Board member Ricklin originally when first directed by city council it was directed to start from basically in the downtown area the old neighborhood area by third and then moved north. Unfortunately as we as the FRA got involved and working with BNSF these seem to be the first sets of intersections that came out of those negotiations with the FRA agreement. They were pushing these for some strange reason which was unknown at the time. We still don't figure out rhyme and reason the next year I think we're seeing 4th and then 6th and then continuing in 2025 we will be continuing or 2024 excuse me I think we hit 4th and then 6th and then continue to move north so it was just an odd kind of occurrences of how FRA directed us in the agreement. I thought it was odd too. And then I guess final question is because it was mentioned there's so many crossings in the historic east side was there ever kind of conversation to maybe restrict a car from going over to maybe save some money for a crossing and then maybe smaller arms for just peds and bikes a modal filter per se. Actually we have proposed closing at 5th which we had included in the PUC application on Avenue Crossing. BNSF has a very strange rule that they require two crossings be closed if they were to grant one opening so we threw in 5th Avenue but that's a complete closure we did not look at at BNSF would not accept that as a just close it for cars and keep multimodals open. We propose that it's in the downtown like I said the old neighborhood area and the yellow serve together which is also adding to the as trains blow their horn they're blowing them in every intersection or just a straight out blast as they drive through the town. I like that proposal too because maybe neighborhood complaints of cars will lessen who knows. Thank you. A couple of questions regarding the quiet zone photo is the purpose of those black and yellow structures or a raised median that was discussed to prevent U-turns by cars that are waiting for a train? What's the purpose? So what happens if you see in that photo on the right there's a gate arm if the gate arm is not long enough and doesn't go across both lanes of traffic cars will tend to go in the opposing drive around in the opposing lane and just go around the gate so with the train coming we'll try to risk it. That's where you usually see accidents. That's the purpose of that. So when we see in areas where you have more higher levels of traffic you'll see more likely a median in the road, 6, 8 foot wide and then there'll be a second gate such that it closes so it's basically a double gate system to keep cars there's no way for them to go no place for them to go they just gotta wait for the train to cross. I see. Thank you. Also regarding quiet zones my recollection is that a couple of years ago when now Mayor Peck was the council liaison to our board she mentioned that there was a possibility that the BNSF would agree to re-root its freight traffic outside of Longmont to avoid the whole quiet zone issue has anything happened with that? I'll try to take that one. Basically what happened was the railroad and the state were working together the railroads, UP and Union Pacific and BNSF were working together to figure out a route that would bypass basically the metro area and that basically fell through in the early 2000s so it's not something that people are talking too much about except I think BNSF would certainly like to have a faster way to travel through Colorado than through all these smaller towns but there's no money out there to help provide that link. And I have a few questions. On my sheet it says that the first packet was funded in 2021 is that it was funded in 21 but you're waiting for approval to actually do the work? So way back in I think 2019 when council first approved this or in 2020 when they approved it we put dollars into the 2021 budget. So as as Tom indicated they approve budgets each year. Those dollars were used for design they were used for in this case some cases property acquisition. That money gets carried over it's still in the project budget it's not you won't see it in the 2024 to 2028 budget but we have a number of dollars that are still within the project budget similar for a number of these projects and then each year after usually in February we have a meeting we look at the CIP from the previous year and if there's unspent dollars that and the project still isn't completed or is carrying on we carry those dollars forward into the next budget and there's an appropriation it's part of the budget process each year before the next budget gets approved so there are, you may see a total it's not an eight or ten million dollar project that is lined up now there is money already in the budget in the project. But it's this first packet that you're waiting to construct at the end of this year beginning of next year but you have to have approval first is that correct? PUC approval? Certainly we're working through some of the agreements with BNSF there's a number of key agreements and we're still waiting to have some of them finalized. So that construction date is ten or two? Correct? Yes. So I have one more question and that is how many accidents have you had at river crossings? I can recall at least in my tenure here at least one fatal as to other accidents with trains I don't have a number for you. Was it a pedestrian or automobile do you remember? The one fatal was a pedestrian. Thank you. It was on a bicycle. Any further questions for now? I think we're good go ahead and continue. Next project is TRP 098 State Highway 66 improvements as the name suggests this is on State Highway 66 from Hover Street to US 287 or Main Street. The proposed improvements for this project include new on-street bike lanes and pedestrian facilities specifically on the south side of the project for the pedestrian facilities in the form of a 10 foot wide sidewalk would include safety improvements as well for all users and specifically in terms of vehicles it would include acceleration lanes and deceleration lanes in some areas where applicable the current proposed cross section also does include the addition of one lane in either direction as well as a strong component for asset management addressing the aging concrete pavement infrastructure on that project. The design for this project is currently sitting at a 30% level where actually have been sitting at that level for a period of time while we've been addressing some challenging design constraints in terms of an over topping issue of Highway 66 during a flooding event we do believe we have a path forwards for a solution on that particular design constraint so we're looking at progressing that design a little further. It is a State Highway it is classified as a regional arterial as well so it when the time comes to construction a multi-jurisdictional construction commitment so City of Longmont CDOT and I believe a portion of Boulder County as well are going to be all helping with this project. Next project TRP 106 concrete pavement management program formally known actually as the Hover Street rehabilitation project was renamed relatively recently in our CIP and the intent there is this project really is wanting to make sure citywide asset management of our concrete pavements and so Hover is just a component of that. We do have several other corridors within the city that have concrete pavements so that includes Francis Street, 17th Avenue Boston and 1st Avenue and so there's two approaches this project can take one of which is programmatic needs so for a corridor that does have ongoing maintenance or rehabilitation needs we can plan that out in advance that we see coming up and it also can help address urgent repairs and in this particular case here in this example photo heaving concrete on Hover Street at the oligarchy ditch due to some pretty extreme thermal expansion that happened during the heated summer last year so as those items come up we can also tackle those items with this project. Currently looking for upcoming activity in 2024 to develop our corridor priorities so to look at all the different areas that we have concrete pavements and prioritise where our needs are and then plan those improvements accordingly and then look forward to designing those eventually as well. Any questions? Yeah I was actually about the last slide. One before? Yeah so my understanding the pedestrian bike and the bike and pedestrian path is going to be a new addition to that section right? Is there a plan for how those pedestrians and bikes will be able to cross over to all those streets that come in and out in that section? Because right now there's no crossings or how are they going to access all the different roads that go through that section? That's a good question I don't think I have personally an answer Tom might be able to Are you referring to trying to cross over to the north side of State Highway 66? Yes. Again the extent of this project it really starts just west of Main Street and it extends over to a point just east of Hoover Street so there's currently two signalized intersections at Hoover and Main Street that would provide an opportunity to cross over between that location there is a future signalized intersection plan for Francis Street so at some point in the future when development occurs on the north side there would be marked crosswalks that signalized intersection that would provide access across State Highway 66 at that location that's what you're asking Yeah I mean there's a lot of entrances like for residents as well You're considering the south side correct? You're thinking of the south side so this path will be on the south side connecting all those residents existing residents But there's some also on the north side too Yeah there are a few some more planned but there's one subdivision that's closer to Main Street Yes I'm just wondering like so they're going to have to go all the way to Hoover all the way to Main to access the other side and then there's no way to there will be future connections but as development occurs along that north side Okay So there are places to go on that north side I think there's like churches on that north side and then the place that has a pumpkin farm there's also that And that's further west than Hoover in the county There are a few raids on that side but basically it would be off limits for those users because they would be out to cross The Colorado Department of Transportation has a larger plan for that whole corridor and we're just doing a portion of that plan so as things move forward they have some planning efforts that are already done and we can share those with you from online showing that entire corridor basically from Lions to I-25 and showing all the different bicycle facilities that are planned for that on both sides and I guess Phil that was kind of my question is what happens after Hoover so like who owns who owns most of this Colorado Department of Transportation owns all the right of way and we're working with them they're going to provide a portion of the funding for this project we also have some grant other grant funding that they were supportive of to make this project go forward We are not going to do anything further to the west of Hoover as that's Boulder County's purview so they're going to work with CDOT on any kind of improvement and a lot of those improvements for bicycle and pedestrian are these frontage trails frontage roads that will connect various driveways so that driveways aren't coming directly onto 66 anymore will come to a frontage road that will be shared with bicycles and so it's a unique idea to consolidate access points and remove access points and that's kind of the big thing with it's called the state highway 66 PEL planning and environmental linkages study and that is really trying to eliminate a lot of these access points because they recognize the crash data has been extreme on this corridor and then you know I guess Jim would be proud of it I know I want the separated bike lane which is what I see here will there be a wayfinding options or I know someone's working on wayfinding for bikes right now but you know a common complaint I hear is courtesy from bikers maybe not ringing a bell type of thing and or maybe I've seen this before as lane striping on a sidewalk where it's like pads on one side bikes on the other as ideas but spitball and ideas but you know I don't like what I see okay let's continue next project TRP 131 the first and main transit station is a bit of a unique project actually it's not actually going to be listed on any of the street fund or TCIF funding spreadsheets that were part of your communication but there is a strong transportation component to it project is going to be located on the southwest corner of 1st avenue and it really is a developer driven project and that RTD is actually the developer for this particular project which would be a transit hub in the form of a parking ride parking garage area as well as their bus rapid transit layover location when bus rapid transit comes to the city and in order to actually construct this development we have the extension of Kauffman street from 1st avenue to Boston avenue that would need to occur so that area that was now highlighted in green so in addition to just the single lane in each direction for this project it would have a strong pedestrian and bike facility component as well in the form of wide sidewalks on either side of the street as well as a dedicated two-way cycle track on the west side of the street the city is going to be taking on design and management of design and construction of this project so we are now actually starting beginning the design process looking at a tentative construction date of 2025 ideally to coincide with a number of projects in the general vicinity including the construction of the actual transit hub area and the next project that we talk about which is the Kauffman street busway to a point that I made earlier this does not include any street or TCIF funding it is actually funded via the public improvement fund and then reimbursements from RTD to be able to construct the actual roadway portion itself any questions on that? yes I have a question you may not be know the answer but I'm just curious if there's going to be additional bus routes as a result of having this transit centre because right now I can only imagine there's going to be a couple of buses that would actually be going through this area is there a plan to have additional routes? I think I'll take that one Board member the idea is that bus rapid transit is coming online about the same time as all of these projects finish up so 2026 is likely when the bus rapid transit between here and Boulder will start up buses running every 15 minutes during the peak between the station and Boulder basically all the local routes and the other regional routes to this location so this is going to be the transit hub for the City of Longmont in the future and so you'll have the flex bus to Fort Collins will be starting and stopping at this local it'll be starting at this location for Longmont and then we'll have all the local buses the four routes hopefully plus we'll get one additional route from RTD to have five routes that hub at this location as well and then we talked last time about microtransit so this is going to be a great location to have microtransit going to and getting to those more regional routes so the idea is to add a lot more service in the future would that include the LX as well bringing that back to you? correct yes so the Longmont express bus to Denver the LX series will return in the future we have promises from RTD there are those yet we're not sure what date exactly but they're talking about bringing that back with the mayor so we're excited is that going to be an apple of us? it already is but it's private yep and it's very expensive Mr. Jenkins if I understand this correctly there's no city funding in any of the five years of the CIP for this project and RTD is committed to provide up to 16.4 million dollars is that correct? I don't know if I can fully answer that question as well as Phil might be able to well we do have the the promissory note from RTD it was 17 and now we've drawn down on that a bit with the design that you saw here so there was those dollars from RTD are going to this project but there is a lot of city involvement with this project too and the idea is to work with again a developer as Alden mentioned to be the prime constructor or piece of the development of this property for the bus terminal and for the surrounding you're not seeing it on this picture but the surrounding development that would support that transit supportive land uses around the station probably in the form of higher density residential quite frankly it makes sense at this location because it builds in automatic riders but for the Kauffman Street project we did talk there's a lot of city money in that involved as well we also have other funding sources for that but to say there's no city money is going to be a little off Board Member McInerney the city was responsible for at this phase of the project the property acquisition from the general fund through I think the public building fund that they've been putting in I think upwards of now five million dollars I believe for property acquisition it is not coming from the street fund but it is coming from the city through the general fund how much of what we see in this graphic could be built for sixteen point four million dollars and what will happen first the sixteen point four million dollars must be spent on fast tracks infrastructure for transit only so they're going to be basically buying up the construction of the parking lot that you see the multi deck parking structure as well as you can't see it but there's the very bottom level is very much like the Boulder downtown Boulder Station the buses will be underneath there so they're going to be responsible for all the pieces of transit that have anything to do with connecting to a future you don't see that on here either but the future of future rail someday along First Avenue along where the tracks are so they are responsible for that and that was the deal brokered with RTD at the time that we weren't getting the rail so give us some portion of the fast tracks dollars to build something for transit in this location what are the two taller parts of the structure that are on either side of the parking deck those those are really the redevelopment aspect associated with this block so Jim mentioned that we are doing we're already doing property acquisition you've probably seen a lot of those come through council we've talked about purchasing property so we have all the property I think either under contract or purchased at this point and so we're working with redevelopment group or we're working to find redevelopment group that will build those sections of mostly mixed use of residential and commercial okay thank you okay let's continue alright next project to your P135 the Kaufman Street busway is just up the street from the last project we were taking a look at this is a project along Kaufman Street from Avenue to 9th Avenue and while the name of it is the Kaufman Street busway it really is a lot more than just a busway it is a strongly focused multimodal improvement project it really takes bike and pedestrian facilities to a much safer and comfortable use state than currently exists on Kaufman Street where currently no bike lanes exist so with respect to that we are looking at adding protected and detached bike lanes along the length of the corridor which would eventually transition to that two-way cycle track that would be farther to the south on that extension of Kaufman Street the pedestrian improvements would include the addition of midblock crosswalks that would tie in with the breezeways that we have up and down the corridor as well as the shortening of crossing distances on not only Kaufman Street itself but on the cross streets as well and the way that would be accomplished at least in large part at 4th Avenue and Longspeak Avenue would be via a protected intersection which is an example shown here so this would be at 4th Avenue and Longspeak Avenue would provide a much higher visibility for pedestrians and bikes that are going to be using that intersection in all directions would also lower the crossing distance on Kaufman Street and the related cross street as well so this is a great type of design for those that are uncomfortable or maybe not as confident while riding bikes and that's really a large intent with this project is to make it much more comfortable for those that are not your strong and confident riders but for those that want to make it to downtown with their family so beyond those multimodal improvements this does also include a strong asset management asset management component the distressed asphalt on Kaufman Street really from 2nd Avenue up to 9th Avenue is in need of full reconstruction at this point and so this project will also address that our design is currently over 90% complete and we're looking to wrap that up within the next couple of months if not sooner than that we're looking at then releasing this for bid this year is our ideal timeframe with construction then starting in early 2024 there is a balance of funding that we do anticipate needing to support this project in 2024 so there is a little bit of additional funding that we're asking for in 2024 I am very excited about this project as a first list so I'm looking forward to it I have a couple of questions I'll start with the picture that you have right here I really like seeing this type of intersection because I think it's much more friendly to multimodal I'm just wondering in terms of the timing with the lights so you have pedestrians and bikes waiting to go through will they be given priority at this intersection or will they still have to wait for cars our current plan right now is to have the primary street on Kaufman Street act is a in a recall mode so that while cars have a green light north south or buses have a green light north south pedestrians and bikes would also have that we are going to be implementing a detection, a bike detection zone and the notification via signage in a blue light indicator as well for those that are going to be using that intersection cross streets if there's any additional items that Kyle may want to share on that but we haven't gotten to that level of detail yet but do you want to add to that, Kyle? Yeah, so as a we'll be having dedicated detection for pedestrians and bicycles starting with pedestrians we will have leading pedestrian intervals to safely have pedestrians get a head start on crossing before cross traffic turns green and we'll also be implementing a new detection system that can actually physically identify how many and what location pedestrians and bicycles are on the roadway so it's a great way to get counts seeing people are crossing at what areas but then it will give us opportunities to have more flexible crossing times for different pedestrian abilities and then I believe you have one more question I think I'm missing Well actually now I have two more questions Go ahead So to make it safer for the pedestrians and the bicyclists will right hand turn cars to be still allowed and the flashing left hand turns be allowed because presumably you're going to have bicyclists and pedestrians moving alongside the cars so having cars potentially turning into their lane when they're trying to cross over those even when it's green Yep, so those intersections will be restricting movements to allow for safer travel this corridor is putting extreme emphasis on alternative travel so for this corridor the spirit of it is going to be other traveling first car second so there will be delays as this corridor is not intended to be a main use for vehicular traffic this corridor will be used for pedestrians and bicyclists Okay, that's great and my last question I love that we have this connection this second to ninth but then what happens when you get to second and what happens when you get to ninth where do you go is there a plan does that connect to any of the bike lanes bike paths like where do you go it's great that you can go between second and ninth but you got to get there back Board Member Burroughs yes there is a plan for that the project was originally intended and still is to capture 1st Avenue up to 9th Avenue this current effort is just focusing on 2nd to 9th Avenue right now until we can take the extension of Coffin to the south until that starts to really gain some steam and move forwards we're not going to construct that piece between 1st to 2nd Avenue yet since we would essentially just be data ending into nothing if we brought it all the way down to 1st Avenue so when this is all done when this project is completed the 2nd to 9th Avenue piece will be completed 1st following probably very fluidly behind it would be the 2nd Avenue to 1st Avenue component and then continue the extension down from 1st Avenue to Boston Avenue from there we should say that the bigger picture is same frame Greenway up this Boston excuse me up this Coffman connection so from the same frame Greenway up to Boston and up Coffman basically the new section of Coffman that we build then on the existing section that's going to be rebuilt all the way up to 9th 9th now has pretty good bike lanes to the west we need to do something to the east that's still kind of being that's being thought and planned and will be part of this TMP effort as well to see what we want to do to the east of that but then also north ideally once you get to 9th Avenue it's a very short stretch of Coffman that exists a very low volume section of Coffman that exists with we'll probably add Sharrows or something like that to take you up to 11th which is a very good east-west corridor as well and it's much lower traffic than 9th part of the main street corridor master plan was how do you take that further north they had really good conversations with the cemetery believe it or not they like to extend a trail through the cemetery because they like more eyes in that area so that they want more interaction with the public and we'll see how that goes with people riding their bikes through but they were interested in having the connector up and then Coffman continues north of Mountain View as well so really a long-term plan that's kind of beyond a lot of this and part of the TMP process we'll talk about extending these different corridors and how we do it just to add to that briefly there will or very well maybe a scenario where there would be an interim condition on 1st to 2nd Avenue where the improvements aren't fully built yet but our plan is to create an interim connection for those going north on 1st Avenue to enter the Coffman Street busway or those exiting heading to the south until that full segment can be built out we would have some interim tripping and street connections for bikes and pedestrians I actually enjoyed that comment about the cemetery it brings me memories from traveling the world and actually going to cemeteries for fun but I think I love the Coffman Street project probably because in the BIC we've had many conversations about it so that's been fun and then after this I think as Philly kind of alluded to is once the TMP gets going then we'll figure out the remaining connections etc and I'm just wondering because I know that this project is very expensive is there anything we've also learned to maybe speed up the next project and hopefully bring costs down for the next one and the next one so I think we've learned that inflation is very unpredictable I also am very excited to see this project take form when I was reading about it in our packet though I noticed that the busway sheet still includes a reference to center running bus lanes being the best design approach which is probably not appropriate because our busway won't have them I think ideally those were the best approach but it was not the best approach for Longmont's Coffman Street from 2nd to 9th so though it may be a universal best approach it doesn't operate well for what we were trying to do on Coffman and Longmont yeah you're right that should be the alternative that was chosen should be we'll be updated actually we have a whole effort that's going into the outreach piece of that we'll see a lot of changes on our website coming up in the next couple weeks hopefully months we should be releasing a interim at least website update and then a much more interactive story map experience for those that want to be able to really take a closer look and dive into what is the project really going to look like at a more granular level hang on council councilmember burrows sorry just a little question so is there going to be additional routes or options to get to Maine so it's okay to go up and down Coffman but I imagine people want to access Maine and I see that you know you have the sidewalks here still but a lot of there's a lot of shops and public utilities on the other side of town or the other side of Maine so what is their thoughts about how pedestrians and bicyclists are going to access those without having to cross over lots of roadways some make sense hopefully right now the plan and again the transportation mobility plan will have a lot of say in this citizens of the and we'll take it to city council eventually as well after we go through the boards and commissions as right now we're looking at fourth avenue has really been identified as part of this as you can kind of tell as the major east west bicycle connector here as well as Longspeak Avenue those two have been identified as the major crossing points and so Alden's put a lot of work into making sure those connections are those critical pieces that get you over to main street the other piece of it is also the breezeways so we really with this project are taking those breezeways that are already existing to the alleyways of between Kauffman and between Kimbark and Maine and we're extending those breezeways to Kauffman and so that'll be part of that mid block crossing that Alden also referenced so those mid blocks will get you to Maine as well and that was to be bicycle friendly as well as pedestrian friendly okay let's continue alright our last project this evening that we like to present on is TRP 137 the main street corridor plan the intent of this project is to plan prioritize and design transportation needs for safety mobility connectivity and access along the five mile stretch of Maine Street from Highway 66 to Plateau Road one of the primary efforts that is part of this project right now is the 21st Avenue underpass project at the oligarchy ditch as it passes underneath Maine Street just south of 21st Avenue and also including the intersection of 21st Avenue itself we do have that project having received outside funding sources I believe it's just federal funding for that that effort but we are going to be looking at designing that in the coming months in year 2020-2024 and this project also includes an ongoing effort to develop improvements to way finding and traffic signal modifications throughout the corridor so from Highway 66 down to Plateau Road so another opportunity for more questions before we have one more slide for you this evening I can't find it now but remember like north of 17th was mentioned for mid block crossings as recommended recommended because I remember being part of a presentation of significant pedestrian risk or crashes on that corridor currently working with RTD as part of that bus rapid transit project that would actually go all the way up to State Highway 66 and Maine Street there's a planned parking right up there that they're working on building that's all RTD project for them that's all their money all their planning efforts but as that bus rapid transit comes down the corridor there's certain stop locations that would need mid block to be able to operate that bus rapid transit as close to the intersections as we'd like so they are looking at mid block crossings and we've been out with Kyle and Caroline to work with RTD on where those locations could be and so we have identified two specific ones that are north of 17th and north of 24th and then seed outs on board and all that they will be they are on board because they are part of the bus rapid transit program and project and so they understand, in fact they are spearheading a study along all of 287 that shows Longmont being by far the worst crash locations for pedestrians and bicycles which makes sense since we're the only real city and the density is there and there's so many people trying to cross and so many apartment buildings and shops along our portion of 287 and then another question is just on this sheet that was given to me is if I'm understanding correctly like so there's funding status, you know unfunded partially funded funded and then year one oh wait no never mind I answered my own question sorry Vice Chair Chris do you want to hear all of our comments on the capital improvement program now could we wait until the board member comment part of the proposal? Well I think it's probably a good opportunity to move to the next slide in light of that question if that works for everybody. So that brings us back to the original slide that we had posed at the beginning to consider two options one of which to recommend the funding as presented by staff and the 2024-2028 CIP or option two recommend city council adopt that funding with revisions recommended from the transportation advisory board would you like to make a motion board member Mack and Ernie I still have the question do you want to hear our comments before we vote on this? So the motion would be discussion before voting okay anyone second that motion let's vote the motion on the floor is to have discussion before deciding between option one or option two all in favor motion passes let's have discussion alright let's start with board member Bennett this is a lot to take in but I don't have any issues that I see at this time I think this year I understand the CIP a little bit better yeah just understanding what we're actually working with and what's being done this year versus the following years and then there could be changes later so it's making a little more sense so thank you for going through that slowly with us today but I don't you know I just wish there was more money so but you know I can't get that so thank you thank you all for your presentation and just a point of clarification this is all a very active program in other words we'll be reviewing this every year in terms of where we are adjustments adaptations so it was a very comprehensive plan and a lot to think about but I have to agree with board member Wicklund that the main sticking point seems to be the funding in some areas so I'll move on to board member McInerney I appreciate having the information provided on the project sheets it's great to see significant funding allocated to vision zero type projects including for the transportation system management program the missing sidewalk program and the main street corridor plan that's great now the introduction to this evening's CIP presentation that was in our packets includes a statement that I'm going to quote verbatim quote attached are the individual project sheets for transportation related projects with funding from the street fund and the transportation community involvement fee fund end quote now I saw that and I wondered whether there are non-transportation related projects with street tax funding and sure enough the summary list of street tax funded projects includes five municipal buildings boiler HBAC and flooring replacements as well as a McIntosh lake park project and prairie dog barrier replacements none of these projects have transportation prefix to their project number we weren't provided with project sheets for any of them last year the board was informed that the rationale for using street tax revenues for municipal building renovation projects is that city employees transportation roles work in those buildings and therefore street tax revenues can be applied to renovating the building now I've never prepared a CIP budget and I'm sure it's a challenging and complicated task I'm just an advisory board member but my advice on this matter to staff is that the optics of using street tax revenue to renovate municipal buildings are not good so I urge the staff going forward to respect the citizens of Longmont who voted to tax themselves for street improvements by including only projects with a strong connection to transportation in the allocation of street tax revenues in the CIP Board Member McInerney so I'll make the argument that the boiler and the HVAC items that are noted in the street fund actually have a transportation component because they go to serve the engineers who work on those projects, on transportation projects the allowance to do that is embedded in what the city every year updates is our financial policies and it's into the term basically operations that to actually operate and do designs our engineers would like to be in heated buildings with air conditioning that's really where it draws from is that it's defined in the financial policies and it's under the verbiage of operations the other item the prairie dog item I think that's under our parks project that is a prairie dog barrier that is going to be adjacent to the Dickens Park to keep prairie dogs out of the public right of way the good news is that none of the staff here had any idea about those until we actually read the budget and were able to investigate it that's coming out of higher levels than it's issued through the finance department and the city manager's office I think I covered three of those not sure if I got the other two that you made mention of but we can provide you those sheets for the items that are listed in the drawing money in the street fund and I know that in future years there is a rather large chunk that's shown in the street fund of the tune of I think $1.9 million I want to say in 2026 what is not shown in the budget that was presented to you is the actual revenues that come in that is a grant funded project for a trail for the Adams farm trail from Union Reservoir to the east that project it's shown as street fund dollars but there is a revenue that matches that and the reason we undertake that is the other funding sources cannot bring grant dollars in those funds that are utilized because it has other funding knowledge from conservation and open space so it is budget is rather complicated to sit offline and talk to you about it and we can certainly go through all those items that are funded through the street fund I appreciate your response Mr. Angstad I would also be interested in seeing the language of the 2019 measure that the voters approved does it discuss what the tax revenues can be used for I would have to revisit that to fully look at it and send us a link we can certainly revisit that not a problem I will say that prior to 2019 it was very much and Tom can probably confirm this is very much related just to streets and in 2019 maybe it was before that we opened it up to be more of a transportation tax rather than a street fund sales tax which we have always traditionally listed as a street fund sales tax but it is more of a transportation component now in the new reading of the rule but we will send a link to you and you can see exactly what is stated there so I just want to thank all of you for your presentations as a new board member most of these projects are really new to me so I really appreciated all the detail that you provided so that someone like me could understand what the projects are and I am just kind of curious about how you decide which projects I am pushing for funding are they all the projects listed here are they all in various stages of trying to acquire funding how is it determined that these are the ones that are going to end up being budgeted for the year I think part of that process is a number of meetings we have within within our department within the city as a whole we have a lot of different discussions we have a lot of different open meetings it's community outreach efforts where we have an opportunity for residents to provide their point of view what their priorities etc might be there's a lot of effort that goes into it a lot of discussion behind it it's not a simple process and it takes many many meetings to kind of funnel it down to get to a point where we presented tonight okay I'm presuming a lot about those considerations about safety like a number of crushes and intersections these are the priority locations and then I would think that would be an important consideration that's a strong consideration for sure again the advantage of having so many different functional areas in those discussions is everybody has a different point of view and brings up different ideas but safety is always near the top of those discussions okay thank you I just wanted to understand a little bit more about the process I did want to just have a better understanding because the one exception to safety is more of a nuisance is the railroad quiet zones and the fact that it's like four million dollars to be able to have a quiet zone in the historic downtown district can you just explain how these areas are at such a cost it's maybe perhaps a broad question but it is the one thing that does seem more of a luxury it's not safety so the quiet zone project currently I think is sitting in around 10 million dollars with a four million dollar infusion from FRA but that covers as I recall 16 crossings all through town not just the ones in the downtown or the old historic east side area of town and that project came from direction directly from council I want to say that in 2019 or 2020 at a public meeting they gave us direction to move forward with it and put it in the budget I guess I came up with another question in our packet the 124 there's two papers of it one is funded and one is partially funded so I'm just wondering which is it I'm assuming partially these it's on the other sheet good question, good point it does appear we have some inconsistency there you know we do show a minor shortfall for that particular project couple hundred thousand dollars we'll need to take a little bit of a closer look at that and verify but it does look like it probably should be a partially funded project at this point and then one final question probably for Alden as I was thinking the transit station is there going to be much public input on that because I think that's also a great opportunity as old towns before the station, the train station was always the hangout spot to make it more of a community center as well but will the public be involved in what the citizens want as well from the roadway improvements perspective it would follow our general approach for that to work through an initial conceptual design and then from there we would be gathering public feedback for those impacted by the corridor direct layer for those that would be potentially using it on a broader scale with respect to the actual facility itself the actual RTD transit hub and how that would eventually look and let Bill answer that question I think the idea is that yes we would go out to the public with and get the best input that we possibly can for that facility just as you said it's something that the public is going to want to embrace I think and it's going to be a center point for it's going to be the hub for transit for the city I think what we're trying to do is put together some pieces of this that are going to be kind of the requirement piece of it as far as the parking and the transit facility that will be pretty well set based on what RTD needs but the surrounding areas and how those look we didn't really we have some good pictures and I'll send those to you too some renderings of the park space and some plaza space that's going to be part of kind of the overall drainage plan for facilitating drainage but it's a beautiful parkway in the interim and it also connect up I know people are going to laugh again but it's going to connect up to the railroad the railway platform is what we're hoping to do whether that's RTD or whether it's Amtrak or whatever it is it's part of this it's part of that part of that puzzle for transit thank you because I just think aesthetics is a big thing for people to use it and enjoy it okay so our options are to vote for the CIP recommendation as written or option two to offer some revisions or amendments to it or I would guess there's an option three in that if you'd like to think about it more have more information brought back to you regarding the budgeting well we could vote that way too is there anyone who would like to make a motion yes I moved that the board recommend option one that city council adopt the funding from the street fund and transportation community investment fee fund for transportation projects as presented by staff in the 2024-2028 proposed capital improvement program is there a second the motion on the floor is to adopt the CIP recommendation options as written and per option one as presented to us let's go ahead and vote all in favor say aye aye the motion passes thank you staff you have your recommendations approved alright so now we're on to section eight which is comments from the board members let's start from the left this time we have two board member burrows I actually want to talk about a interaction I had with RTD this last month so I had to travel down to Broomfield every day for my daughter's music class and it was every day so I didn't want to drive every single day from Longmont to Broomfield so I decided to try and use public transport to make my way there since it's free this month and I didn't have a very good experience unfortunately so a half an hour journey by car took me an hour and a half by public transit because of the way the buses time out they're only once an hour so it didn't time out with when we had to arrive so we had to do a lot of waiting around which is always a challenge when you have kids but I was prepared for the waiting around of the 7 buses I took which would be the LD3 that goes up north and south up to 7 7 of them were 8 out of the 8 and one never turned up at all it was cancelled just never arrived and when there's only one bus an hour and it doesn't turn up it's not great for the public to use them I did find that the transit to the flex ride we use the flex ride as well and the flex ride part was great I had a really good interaction with them and they always picked us up on time and goes to our destination so I really liked that part but as far as the LD3 it was not great I'll let everyone know that we still have some what to do with the transportation especially the LD3 I always appreciate getting information from staff about the capital improvement program it's fascinating to see how the money actually gets allocated in the city once again I want to repeat that I'm really excited that Vision Zero efforts are showing up in the CIP program and to me that means that things may actually start to happen within the next four to five years so that's very encouraging very exciting and I appreciate the board entertaining my pet peeve about the building renovations once again this year and that's it for me I'll go last so board member Wicklund yeah I guess thank you for the presentations for the motion that was presented earlier I just knew CIP takes a while and I think the action plan will also take a while so but I enjoy that discussion in the future and then also just to kind of talk about some things I've heard from my privy of working downtown and talking to a lot of employees of downtown I know people who live on the west and the east side and the east side tends to be a little annoyed of the lack of crossings along Kimbark just to think about for the safety of workers trying to walk to work especially don't know what can be done but so I just wanted to say it because I promised I would so alright thank you so much for being so informative and so thank you for all the time and effort you put in helping us understand the funding projects that are ahead of us I wanted to also address Brose wanting to talk about the vision zero plan and I would prefer to hold off when we have staff but yeah so I just wanted to give that's going to be a major talking point in the year ahead and I don't want us to I want us to be able to have a well rounded discussion where to do so I also wanted to say acknowledge an article that I saw in The Times Call about a vehicle crash on the 17th and Atwood street that resulted in property damage and the homeowner has talked about how multiple crashes in that area and I was wondering if that was just in the radar of transportation staff plans to make that intersection more safe Board Member Bennett, whenever we staff finds out or gets notice of crashes fatalities we usually dig into them, try to get the police report investigate them and at the intersection of 17th and Atwood it's important to note that of the three accidents that damage that residents fence in the last I want to say three years or the last three years the accidents there that cause damage all of them were hit and runs two of them were DUIs so and the latest accident is still under investigation so nevertheless staff did meet with the resident we are looking at some small-scale safety improvements we're putting up some reflectors some additional striping to steer people away from kind of the edge of the road and keep them along the center line we're looking at later in the year if funding is available we're looking at the radar speed limit sign there won't be any work on 17th physically until probably 2026 I recall from reading our pavement or asphalt management plan so what we did in talking to the resident is we are indicated we would take a look at if there's any physical improvements to them at that time but they would need to be laid out and designed so we are we will be taking a look at it in the short term we will be doing some reflectors to warn people about that kind of approaching curb and some striping so that will be done in the next few weeks alright thank you staff this was an excellent presentation there was a lot of written material and electronic material this is my first time running the microphone so I thank the board for their patience with me it was a challenging night to sit in this seat so I appreciate all that you bring to the table and I guess if we have comments to make about the vision zero plan we should email them to you and you'll come back to us with an aggregate of everything that's in okay that's all I have to say I'll move on to number nine which is comments from city our city council liaison Vice chair Chris I know that chair you have to have much grace for people who sits in that chair seriously a lot of people don't understand that it's something else especially with the new mics and everything so people should have much grace but thank you for running a good meeting I just want to say thank you all for the presentations and everything and I too am learning I wanted to be the liaison on this board because when I was running for city council it was a lot about transportation I did not know about and so I am constantly learning as you all you all probably know way more than I do but it is always wonderful to see staff put so much detail and hard work into the presentations and the information that they provide and just think most of everything that was on here besides vision zero was before I got on council and so and it everything takes time we wish it could be instantaneous right not only what time comes money and so I just appreciate the staff just being diligent throughout all the city councils that change over and may have issues with what you've done in the past with the previous city councils and so I just want to say to staff that thank you for being diligent and when you are asked to do something and whether you agree with it or not you still do it because for one thing I just want to mention is that when we sit in the city council we have to listen to we do listen to the public and when they have concerns then we come back and we tell staff and they're like okay okay and so so when you ask those questions what how do you prioritize these things it's those people who in their neighborhoods come in and complain to us about the safety issues about transportation or public safety that come in and tell us so I just want to say thank you to you all for bringing up all those questions and comments the public need to hear those things and again I can't say thank you enough to staff and yeah good meeting thank you okay our next meeting is September 11th 2023 do we have any items for upcoming for the upcoming agenda on the work plan we have the peak service study which is the RTD rail study so we could have them come in if you didn't get enough information in May and a lot of you some of you weren't part of that discussion in May I think they touched on it briefly so I'll review that and see if there's any information we need more from them or we'll check with the chair on that as well we typically talk about flex ridership so the ridership from between here north between the north which is for Collins and Lovland and Bertha so we can bring those numbers to you as well I'm not sure we typically don't have them do a presentation but we'll look into whether we can get somebody from transport down here to do that and then I know this is going to make some people worried over here to my right but we have the crash report typically in September or October so I think we're on it this year because we do have the integrated system that we didn't have last year there was a combination of two different systems so we were a little late with the crash report but that is something we typically slate for September or October so those are the items okay great I'll make a motion to adjourn this meeting can I have a second seconded all in favor aye and we're adjourned