 I feel like we just talked to you like a week ago, but what has maybe changed in the last week? What if you maybe learned a little bit more about some of these guys? You know, the work ethic is really coming through, you take guys' attention to detail, a little bit more familiar with what we're doing, fundamentals, technique, scheme, and then, you know, they're just, they're playing hard and having fun, you know, it's pretty cool to see each day they get a little bit more confident, looks like they're having a little bit more fun flying around, and that's what you're looking for. How does the philosophy change from the OTA's period to now mini-camp? It's really the same. It's the same schedule. We just, we keep stressing, fundamentals, technique, scheme, those type of things. So it's really this very similar schedule, a little bit more meetings, but other than that, you know, still all the same. Have you had a moment with any particular guy, or maybe all of them together, like, all right, I see this potential, you know, this next step kind of being taken? You look at, really, when we first started, you know, OTA 1 until now, it's as the unit is starting to come together a little bit more, and, you know, what arts, you know, preaching, what we're about, our ethos, and everything, and then they're really buying into what we're looking for, what he's looking for, you know, and then again, and I keep stressing this, is the fundamentals and technique and all the things that we want to do defensively for the players to have success within the scheme, that's the most important thing. Yeah, you hope it rubs off a lot, you know, hopefully the passion and the intensity shows through. Just believe that, you know, you have to coach the game, you know, like you're playing, you know, passionate, intense, you know, it's an emotional game, and hopefully that shows through to the players. You know, a lot of how they handle themselves, there's a lot of confidence with those two guys, you know, and really, and that's that's rubbing off on some of the other players where, you know, they see how, you know, Cleis and really Jesse, those two guys, how they operate, there's some other guys that are in there on Yamada and Grady's been there, you know, some veterans who had a lot of success, how they handle themselves, how they go about practice, their preparation, their meeting room, work ethic, you know, all those things, it helps a lot of the other guys, and it's great to have them around and you're seeing it definitely rub off. Well, I think he, first, he bought it and believed what Art was teaching and believes in, and I think there's a lot of similarities there, and really our whole staff, you know, we all kind of believe the same thing, you know, we're all on the same page, and I think he saw that. And then also, you know, he saw, you know, possibly a team that's coming together and wanted to be a part of something and help, you know, a team that might be on the way up and kind of lead us the way, show us the way, at least with the players. It was pretty cool, you know, he's a positive guy, you know, it's awesome. It's every day that he's the same, he's coming in, he's going to smile, he's ready to work. So again, it bleeds into the other players and things that we're doing, we believe in. Ultimate professional, you know, he's always looking to get better, find one thing, and all we want, one thing a day, one thing that we can help the guys and the players believe in, and then for him, in his career, to trust that and then come out here and work those things is pretty cool. And again, that leads and bleeds into the other guys in the room, the first, second, third year guys and go, hey, this is a professional who's played the game at a high level. He's made a lot of plays, he's been a playoffs and all this thing. And he's continued to work his craft to be the best player that he can possibly be. Well, extremely thrilled to have him here. It's always, it's always nice. He's, you know, David has come a long way and he has demonstrated the work ethic that has been tireless. All the credit goes to him and his teammates that those guys have, particularly David, has just, you know, busted his tail to learn the fundamentals and techniques that it takes to play this game at a high level. The work ethic, how he takes care of his body. You know, you've really seen him from year two really to even this OTA is just, you know, he's a, he's a professional. He's learned how to, you know, how to do it, you know, and another player that's, you know, we're hoping takes another step, you know, and I think I think that there's still some left in him to take that step and he's pushing for that. So all those things together is pretty cool. We've heard from a couple of people, Brady, Kaden, come to mind about the look that you get in your eyes when you're coaching them and they call it kind of crazy eyes. What's your perspective on that? Well, it's the passion and the intensity that I think, you know, coaching that position or really any position that you just got to be yourself, you know, and just who I am and the things that I believe in. You know, so that's about it. And kind of what has impressed you kind of just getting in here and getting to know him a little bit? Yeah, he's had a good spring. He's got a really good spring, a tremendous athlete. He's spent a lot of plays, you know, he's more comfortable in what we're doing schematically. And so you see really last week to this week, or excuse me, two weeks ago to this week and last week is, I mean, he's trending, you know, in the right direction. And sometimes it takes a little bit, you know, as a new scheme or some new fundamentals and new techniques for it to blend and mesh together. That's why this timing here is so important, that if we can, you know, speed up that learning curve, and I think that's what you're seeing, he kind of figured it out a little bit. Hey, my body position here, I got to be here in the scheme and everything. And so it's invaluable time. And he's really taken advantage of it. What's talking about his work ethic and how much he's a guy that just like loves to go out there and work? I mean, how much do you see? Have you seen that in the last month or so? You know, yes, he definitely does like to do that. I think our defensive back group is a bunch of workers. I think our coach, Jerry and Jack, has implemented that in that room, like, you know, hey, we can do this, we're going to keep pushing, we're going to do more. And so I think it's a combination of the coaching staff, those two guys in that room and the players, and they're believing in what we're doing and they're buying what they're being coached to do. Do you have any good stories from that 2016 NC State coaching staff? Not for today. We can wait till all these folks leave. What are your memories, though, specifically you and Ledford? I mean, that sort of offensive line, defensive line thing can get fun at practice. It was a special group, groups of guys. There had been some guys that had played defensive line that were moved over to offensive line that added to the fuel to the fire, I would say. But it was good. Duane's one heck of a football coach. He's always done a good job. We ran the ball extremely well that year. And then those guys on defense, they did a good job of just playing ball, being tough. But the practices were, I think the biggest thing, the practices were tougher than the games. And that's where I think the guys took the next step and it showed on Saturdays from the point. The guys that went from you to him, did he steal them or did you send them over there? How did that work? Any hard feelings? Did he take a guy you needed? He probably stole one or two, maybe three. What about Huckstable on that staff? Why did you, you know, at this point want to bring Dave back? Yeah, I believe in him, 100%. It's a really good football coach. He's coached a lot of different places at a lot of high levels. They had a lot of success, a lot of good players. And so with what Arthur is preaching, the ethos and culture and the things that we want to build here, really believe in that. And Dave does as well. And so it was an easy transition for him to come in and, hey, this is what we're going to be about. And Dave does believe in those things. And so a lot of those things were what we were doing at the NCAA days together. So it's a good marriage. Sorry if you've already been asked this, but yesterday Kaleas was telling us that you tweaked something with him and he said, oh, wow, this works better. How can you describe the relationship that you guys have built so early on? That's pretty special. You know, he's an ultimate pro. You know, he's a professional that he wants to continue to improve his game. You know, some guys, you know, they say it, but they don't, you know, act on it and he does. And you know, and that's the great thing. And that's and really a cool thing about that is the other guys in the room are seeing like this. This guy has had a lot of success is continuing to work, wants to be just a little bit better. And they're seeing that. And so it's pushing them. Hey, you know, the Hayes never in the bar, we're always going to keep working, always pushed to improvement. That's what you're seeing. I'm not saying you had a preconceived notion of how he would be because he's been in the NFL for so long, but was it a pleasant surprise that he's able to be as coachable as he is? Absolutely. Absolutely. And you don't know. And through the process when he came in and sat down and with in 10 minutes of just talking to him like you knew, like this guy gets it, like he's won him on this football team. Like we have to have this guy. And he's been, you know, he's been great. Everything that, you know, just the communication and he's been, you know, working with the guys and he's a mentor to the players already, you know, the defensive line room, something on the defense. And so it's, it's been, it's been really good. Do that. And when you kind of look at this defense front, I was talking to David yesterday and he made the comment that despite a bunch of new veterans coming in, Clayus, but himself, that it's still Grady's group. How do you kind of see that happening as you're out with them, working with them, that there is that level of respect among veterans, but it's kind of, they're interested in learning about what Grady has done here. Yeah. You know, Grady is a really good football player. And so again, I think it goes to these guys are, they're wanting to improve their game, you know, and if they can learn something from each other and the way that they see it, because sometimes here's the cool thing about talking to a lot of these guys, particularly the veterans is, hey, you'll ask them, what did you see there? How did you, I didn't see it like that. Tell me, you saw it like this and then explain and we'll be in the meeting room and they'll say it and be like, oh, wait, I see it now. And I think that goes along in the same lines with the players. You know, talking to, it might be at lunch or at dinner or at breakfast, hey, tell me how you did this or how did you do that? And so with all the, all the, you see the guys talking to each other, you know, and wanting to be, just take that next step in their game and being very open to, you know, a lot of the guys that have had success, Grady and David and Cleis and Bud and, you know, Lorenzo, we got these guys who've had a lot of success at the position. And if they can each learn something from each other, it's going to just make the group better. I think it was yesterday, I don't remember, Bud Dupre, Arthur Smith described him as a tone setter. Is that how you see him? Absolutely, you know, the intensity that he plays with, his tenacity, his power, you know, all that, that combination, you know, when it gets out there, you can, you can feel it. You can, when he's coming off the edge and we're setting the edge in the run game, like you can feel that. And again, we don't have pads on, so it's, you know, it's a little bit, sometimes of like, all right, hey, that was a good job, but you don't know really until, you know, the pads get on and being around the guys for the first time. So, but up, up until this point, it's been fantastic. If you look at your career path, how much of what you did at NCC with those guys, Chubb and those guys, is that kind of your resume that helped you along in your career? Well, so look, you try to learn from the players as much as as they learn from you. And just the communication with those guys then and just over the years of, how did you see this? And after the year, the debriefing of, you know, you come in and have an exit meeting and hey, tell us your thoughts on, on this or tell us your thoughts on that and just having them be able to have an open dialogue on, all right. And so then that's where the tweaking and how to make it the best for the players is the most important thing. And so just the philosophy of all over the years, not just one particular group, but just over the time and, you know, all of the guys together and it might be just one thing. And if that one thing can help the group, then that's what we're going to do. We're going to tweak and continue to this scheme and system and how we coach the guys is just continue to more, every year just try to get better, you know. And so we'll do the same thing with the guys, you're already getting feedback, hey, I like this, what about this? And just the dialogue between, you know, coaching players and players to players and just listening. And that's important in this game because there's so many different ways to do it, you know. And so you're just trying to find the best way that fits us last one. Yeah, not one particular moment, but a lot of moments. You know, there's something every day that just like guys, good football player, he saw it like this. I made this place in the right body position. You know, he's very confident, just a smart player. And so that combination, you know, there's no doubt that, you know, you can see why he's had the success, just that combination, the success that he's had over his career. You know, and we'll continue to push that and just get him a little bit better through the years it goes to. So I appreciate it. All right guys, it's all done. Thank you guys, appreciate it. Thank you.