 Hello, everyone. Good day. We're going to wait a few more minutes to allow folks to join us shortly. Hi, folks. Good morning. Amy, do we have folks to get started? 23, which is pretty much our usual number to be able to get started. So. Okay. You're ready. All right. Let's go ahead and get started. Thank you all for coming today. It's May 2nd. This is a TOC public meeting. Let's go ahead and move on to the agenda. So we're going to be starting this one off of very differently than we usually do. We do have an in memoriam. That will be led by tag contributor strategy. Let's go ahead and just move forward with that. Hey, everyone. Hi, everyone. Hi, everyone. Hi, everyone. Some of you will have already heard that we lost Carolyn Vince like over the weekend. The she was in a car accident. Carolyn was the tech lead. For tag contributor strategy. For the past, I don't know, two, three years. She joined tag contributor strategy soon after we created this, which was characteristic of her as a contributor to many projects. I first met her through the go community. She went out of her way to be welcoming to new go programmers. That Carol and I knew for the next, you know, six years of just really working very hard on making open source welcoming to newcomers and to everyone. She was a terrific contributor and a collaborator and all around fun person and we're really going to miss her. Thursday's normal tag contributor strategy meeting is going to be mostly a remembrance of Carolyn. And there's also a link to be able to provide any of your recollections of Carolyn. And we welcome being able to take those contributions. So thank you all. Last piece in here. There. We are working on being able to put together a memorial around keep con cloud native con North America. planning to come again. This is all pretty sudden for all of us and we want to be able to make sure that we're doing all of the right things. So let us know if you'd like to be involved. And thank you, Josh. Thank you so much, Josh. Let's move forward. We now come back to our regular business as well because we do want to be able to acknowledge all of this and also be able to celebrate the work that we've just done at cube con as well. Folks from tag storage on the call today. Yeah. Yes. Hello. Hi. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's kind of hard to change the subject. Sorry about the big loss for the community. I hope Carolyn resting piece. So switching subject to a given update about text storage. So at cube con, we had a panel with some members from the data on Kubernetes community, talking about Kubernetes database operators landscape. And that room was packed. We were so thrilled to see so many people who are interested in this topic. We have a draft by paper that we are collaborating with the DLK on the database patterns. The draft is out for review. I included a link here. Please help review it. And we also had a good tax story session at cube con. There were some great questions from the audience. We also got some ideas for some future projects that we could work on at the tag. And after cube con, we had X line project who presented at the tech meeting X line is a geo distributed key value store for metadata management. It's compatible with it city, but it uses a different protocol called serve. Supposedly it has a better performance in geo distributed environment. The project is still very new, but it's an interesting technology. They have applied for sandbox project. We also have a future topic about the storage and sustainability. We're going to invite hua min chen to talk about that in our future tech meetings. And we're also preparing to nominate a new tech storage co chair. This will be a replacement for Quinton who has not been active for a while. We will bring up the nomination in the next to see meeting. That's all for tech storage. Thank you so much. Anyone have any questions for tag storage. Thank you again. Next up is security tag has notes that they've updated in here, but I'm not sure if they're on the call. Doesn't look like it. I'm happy to be able to come back. We'll come back to this one. Okay. Hi, everyone. I'm here and I will represent that grant time today. So, for the time presentations and community communities, Katie proposed for graduation in progress, as well as the initial lady review for Kermada. So, we have saw the OT and Kepler projects that present the integral time. And we already have a very basic schedule for the upcoming meetings. Many projects have already been signed up to present. For example, the cube marine and laser. So, in addition to these two projects. There's a couple of other projects were already reached out and we are finalizing the exact time that they will come to present to take runtime. For the activities keep calm EU was a successful time. It was a very good event, especially the in person meeting. They had over 25 people, people from K native cat cat a container come out of our mother, other other projects and other companies showed up, and they have a really good conversation, which is a couple of of projects like K serve and bottle rocket, the case of. They would like to start an ML ops working group and we are discussing this with them and see how how it goes. Also, the bottle rocket project they would like to start an OS working. And then this came out of interest after the in person. Also, it was a good time for Ricardo to to meet to meet up and network with many folks during the coupon in all different working groups. And the next next thing that finally, we had our website, the tag runtime website and CNCF up and running, and we are updating it making it better but we have all the information related to tag runtime already now in the website. And finally, the wasm working group. It's in progress. We had an issue that trying to collect the interest of other folks if they are interested in you know like joining this working group and we found lots of interest and now we are doing for a charter draft a charter for this working group. We have a lot of elimination from different companies and from different teams and even individuals are interested in, you know, like being a coach at a tech leads and members, which we find it very promising. Yeah, that's it. Thank you. Thanks so much. Anyone have any questions for tag runtime. Thank you for the question. Thank you for the update. I was super interested in the MLOps group because you know there is an whole area of discipline and observability, which is also looking at MLOps. So, again, I'll bring you offline to perhaps get more details maybe we can collaborate on this group together. Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, thank you. Cool. Any other questions. All right. Next up, tag observability. All right. Hi everyone. Good morning. Just wanted to give a quick update, I think they're all fresh from back from cube on you. So just wanted to give a quick update on a couple of moving areas where we are working with the to see or interacting with the to see closely. So the question is the request for the query standard word group, we have already filed a request. Chris Larson, I think is also on the call here. We have requested a word group be created for a common query language specification. So I have been commenting on the issue so I was wondering what the next steps are from the to see and seek guidance on the timeline. What are the next steps in an approval process so that we can go ahead and set up a word group there's a lot of interest from the end user community and more defining at least, and having the research done for what it would take to define a common query language spec. And that's the focus and the objective of the word group is clearly defined in the issue. So seeking guidance for that. Emily did you. Yeah, so I was actually just going to respond. The, you're so your to see liaisons are the ones that'll give you the approval for doing that so make sure that you meet with them. Once they have the approval, you should be good to move forward. Awesome. Awesome. Will do. Thanks. Thanks. Then the other area that's in progress and as many of you know pixie, which is a observability tool and open source observability project under the CNCF, which uses ebpf for collecting Kubernetes telemetry is awaiting a to see sponsor for incubation to start. And just wanted to bring that up again. Did I understand there's a delay but would like to kind of also understand what the timeline for that is. Moving on. And I'm assuming that this will be something that the to see will respond to on the issue itself. On the request itself. Any comments on that. You'll see members. So we do have a backlog of projects waiting on sponsors for moving levels right now. At the end of today's session there's a slide where we're providing updates on where some of these things are at so we're aware of the long backlog and we are working. Deligently to try to clear some of that out so that we can have new new projects with sponsors coming in. So I'm working on it. We're aware that there is a backlog. Apologies for the delay. No, thanks. Thanks. Thank you for the update. Meeting meetings again I think we only had one meeting in April. And we had a, you know, updated and reported to the to see earlier in the previous meeting in April. On the query language were group charter that discussion has continued there's a lot of good feedback that has come in from the larger community. We ran this and that also dovetails very well into the maintain a track session we had at keep calling you where there was a lot of interest also from the larger you community to participate as well as get involved so looking forward to the word group being reviewed and getting set up so that we can leverage some of that pent up energy to get get folks to get involved, both end users from and vendors who are working on various observability projects within the CNCF. We also did had a lot of full house on all the tracks that we presented in April 18 for the observability day that was in addition to keep calling you this time. Well attended lots of discussion around what the tag does as well as some of the initiatives that you know we cross collaborate with the projects open source observability projects on working closely on some of the initiatives that could be addressed in the work group rather than the projects themselves again, differing to the projects on implementation. They were also several observability project meetings where tag members did participate, as well as the tag to the C chair meeting which again was also an April 18. Another interesting area which was a project, you know area of discussion at keep calling you and this is especially very much an topic ongoing in the observability space is again the the development of a baseline set of metrics for project health tracking more actively which you know the obviously the tag as well as the projects can use as well as you know can be leveraged by the TSC. So, I just wanted to call that out, but again, all in all, great to see everybody in person at keep calling you. Thanks. Does anyone have any questions for tag observability. Great question about the project health is that. Yeah, could you say a little bit more about the metrics that might be tracked they're not necessarily the specific ones but just the genre is is this about the community around the project and, and how, you know, the trajectory of the projects how healthy they are moving or is this more about the technology within each project and how observable each project or how observable that technology is how observable the, not the project as a community but the project. Actually, it is, it is about the community of the project and and you know specifically. There have been several cases as you know in the observability space where you know the projects have either lost momentum or are on the verge of you know, having pure number of maintainers and participants. So, again, moving towards you know better understanding of the metrics that actually can be looked at from a diversity standpoint of maintainership as well as encouraging new maintainers to new contributors to graduate to becoming new contributors are have been discussed. So, Don thanks for the guidance I wouldn't definitely follow up with you and would love to share that with the different project. Projects under the observability space. So, over to working together actually if there's an opportunity to work with the contributor strategy team. Again, that would be an awesome collaboration. Actually, that was my next question is a leader where these discussions are occurring on project health and what some of those metrics look like where can community members and project maintainers or even to see members that are interested in contributing to that discussion, participate. And actually, so far these discussions have happened partly in hallway conversations and also somewhat in the tag meetings but what we will do is I'll create a proposal on under the tag observability repo on the repo and then, again just share that so that you know the discussions actually and key items have been can be captured right and key suggestions but as Amy said it's definitely been organic. All right, well let's let's create that issue that way folks that are interested in it have a place to go to and provide those comments or at least determine whether or not it's worthwhile to put together a working group to focus on this because this has been a hot topic as of late across multiple projects and tags and to see members and just general community members so we appreciate you taking that on any any other questions for time observability. Okay, next up is tag network. All right, good morning. We, we didn't have representation at cube Connie you, although we've been very consistent having representation in each of the cube cons prior. So not allowed to report from cube Connie you. We do we are tracking Istio as a project supplying for graduation. We've had a few projects as potential future presentations for a while. And, and I don't. And so there's just kind of a question mark as to what some of these might be, which is also to say that we don't have project presentations lined up at the moment or we're, we're at a queue of zero. Yeah, whatever that means, are we, you know, we should we want to be proactive there by we I guess I'm anybody that wants to help please do. I'm also pointing the finger back towards myself. But yeah, we'd love to get some more presentations we should we should we're going to go reach out. Some of the working groups have been active since we last spoke. We've given updates on well the initiatives around service mesh performance. There's a dashboard for service mesh performance that is essentially a phase one complete or is is up and ready for people to digest generally. There's also soliciting input from any interested parties that would like to see different types of tests run, either different scenarios or under different loads are using different workloads, different configurations. So there's so there's some stats that are published on the dashboard that you that's linked there. And feedback is most solicited. And one of the other initiatives that's been going on is well an effort around a cloud native playground to allow people to visually explore actually each of the CNCF projects that have custom resources. There's some projects that have operators or custom resource definitions. There's a playground that lets users go through and explore each of the projects and so I think I'll lead a there was something of an initiative I think, or demoing is it hotel. Yes, yes. There is a playground on the hotel. That also exists to demonstrate the capabilities and a feature set in hotel, very similar to what this playground is, but definitely would love to take a look at this there's also the landscape graph project that you know we've been working on on the side in the tag observability itself. And again, I think it's worth looking at this. Yeah, that's super excited. They're both of those are so is, I don't mean to have a separate conversation but is there a, did you recall the URL to the, to the hotel demo. Yes, I can share it just let me just pull it and share it. Perfect, perfect. Other items. Well, part of some of the learnings from the working groups here. They've been these working groups have been using the CNCF labs are using a few servers inside of equinex. And, you know, on occasion, this is a, so this is sort of a question out loud as to whether or not there's an existing published resource for network centric security best practices around exposure of cube API, and or from the cubelets to the internet, which is probably just a no no unto its own that statement but but it seems also like an opportunity to potentially publish something or for the tag network to to assist in some guidelines around and maybe uplift works that the security working group has already done or or existing guidance but but there's been particular pain that these working groups have experienced around port scanning and just network centric security of cube API. Does anyone, anyone know if we have existing guidance out there from the CNCF perspective. I know that it's been collated in quite that way, but there's a ton of guidance out there for not doing it. Yeah, just yeah just don't don't start the question. Okay. Okay, fair enough that it's maybe something to double click into for tag network. Makes sense. I'm sure that we ensure the tech security probably also has like, you know, that might be a good place to collate some of the content because that's I think we're a lot of it sits at the moment. We're going to continue to make a connection. But that's, that's the update. Thank you so much. Anyone have any questions for tag network. Okay. I definitely dig in with tag security and collating a lot of that together so it's one more accessible and more prominent for individuals. The other thing that I would like to suggest is there are several networking projects that are currently sitting in sandbox and incubation would recommend reaching back out to them. Having them come in and do a presentation, maybe do a quick status update on where they're at how they're progressing and seeing if there's some opportunities for collaboration between those projects. If you just go to the scene, the landscape.cncf.io, there are several of them that are listed there. Great suggestion. Thanks so much. All right, next up is tag environmental sustainability. Hello, so we have published a little bit silent silently the first version of the landscape document which you can see. There's like a diagram below. So this is like a zero dot one version so we know there's a lot of blank spaces, and we need more time and more contributors and more expertise from other folks to like get this to like a stable version, so to say. But this has been a very great discussion point at KubeCon with the contributors and also now it's a little bit easier to contribute so we have like a structure, you can add new sections to it. So I think this is great. We had at KubeCon a maintainer talk, which went great, I think. And we also had a project meeting which was awesome. We had a lot of interesting discussions for hours without any problems. We could have probably talked for another four hours. So this was great. Because we have a lot of new folks showing up. We have organized for next week, 10th of May, a getting started meeting. So a special, special meeting where we just talk about how to get started and answer maybe some questions. And also for us, a session to improve the onboarding process because there's been quite some discussions around this and I think we can improve on that. So it would be interesting during that meeting to observe also ourselves and how we can respond to that and how we can help out and also again then detect some blank spots in this case on our onboarding process. We had, I think this is like more or less now a month ago, but I think this was also our last meeting. A project demonstration from Kepler, which was very interesting. I think a couple of tags have now a demonstration or a demo from the Kepler project. So I think this is very exciting. We have another one about a similar tool, Scafandra, tomorrow. So the curator of this tool is presenting us for 20 minutes or something. The tool, which is very interesting. It's also a tool to collect energy metrics, but this time from bare metal and also community. So it's related but a little bit different. So pretty cool. And next week, a couple of the folks at the tag are organizing a meet up. I think this is very awesome, especially because none of the coaches or tech leads are organizing the meet up somebody from the members is organizing the meet up. So I think this is pretty exciting. And we have also started the discussion more or less internally about how we can now move into pushing more contributors who are very active and great into more leadership positions that we have project leads. And I think we have quite a solid, more or less solid foundation where we know our governance we have like a team more or less and now we can push more for leadership and we are in the process of of getting into this topic. And also one thing I, which is missing on this on this slide, but I added it on the other ones is that we started also at KubeCon and also a little bit before brainstorming about a sustainability week. So we have all those community groups and the CNCF. And I asked a few organizers from the community group if they're interested in organizing at their chapter. We have like some sustainability related event. So we have like a week of sustainability. And we, I think this could be very interesting to get this, like, first of all, we don't need to organize an entire conference so we can leverage the organization from from these community groups. And it would be interesting to just identify where, where we add in terms of environment sustainability, because this, this is like a new topic, more or less for all of us, or for the industry so getting to know where our companies at and so on this, I think, very, very interesting and we need that. All right. Thank you so much. Anyone have any questions for tag environmental sustainability. Okay. Leo, a quick question on the global CNCF community group sustainability week that you just mentioned, is there an issue open for individuals that are interested in learning more understanding the scope and the intent or maybe some of the outcomes associated with it. There's no issue right now. This is currently a discussion in Slack. So we had, I think, two, two threats in Slack. And also I reached out so there's like for the organizers, a group in Slack. So I reached out over that just to, first of all, get like feedback if this is like something we can pursue. And there was also an open spaces session at KubeCon with a few folks showing up and giving input into this. And I think this is a great hint. I should open up an issue. Yeah. In the interim, while that issue is being filed for folks that are interested jump over to the tag environment sustainability Slack channel for those discussions. So next up, Amy is going to cover tag contributor strategy for us. Yeah, Tech Inscript Strategy had a wonderful KubeCon, including a keynote by Don Foster, a great maintainer circle and really kind of like a lot of people being interested in like participating with the tag. And they're looking forward to being able to do a new maintainer circle on May 29. So be online and kind of focusing on participating instruction mentoring programs. The contributor growth group is actually going to be meeting next week at Open Source Summit North America. We're working on being able to find out details. So watch the tag contributor strategy channels for that as that happens. The mentoring working group is also kicking off into Season of Docs and the governance group is also still getting docs for the last governance template around creating a steering committee. So we're delighted to be able to see the good work they've done, and they'll be back in a couple weeks. So if you'd like to be able to join for Thursday, we'll be sharing our memories with Carolyn. Thanks so much, Amy. Thank you. Next up, tag app delivery. Anyone from app delivery on the call today? Okay, let's see here. We have to move on to projects. So let's see who from the TOC members are on the call. Let's see. I know Dave is currently working on Artifact Hub. Aaron, do you have an update on Strimsy for us? I don't, unfortunately, hopefully for the next meeting I will. All right. Thank you so much. Cube flow. There's, we have been having meetings and interviews are moving as well as each other. There's been a little progress in the last couple of weeks. Awesome. Thanks Ricardo. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I met with the factory team at Kubecon. We had a pretty good conversation with them. I think the next part is going to be like any user interviews. I need a schedule one with. Somebody at Adobe, but I wanted to understand like, do we have a framework for. And user interviews already in place. We, we have some started. Yeah. We're going to talk about the next meeting. We're going to be talking about the next meeting. We're going to be sharing that with you. Okay. Projects applying for graduation. Justin. We're going to talk about your PC at the next closed to you. See meeting. Do you have any additional updates beyond that at this time? Not at this time. Okay. I know Kathy is out as is Nikita. Okay. And then we can open up for public comment. Sillium is currently undergoing a license review. We're waiting on that to be finalized and then we can open it up for public comments. Falco. We're working with the project on defining some focus areas. We had a good conversation with the project at Kubecon where they raised some concerns. So we're working closely with them on getting them on track for over our initial set of comments and reviews for that project. I know that Richie is unable to make the call and it's currently not on here but Richie is also going to be looking at Open EVS and getting that kind of refreshed moving forward. Does anyone have any additional questions? Well thank you so much everyone for coming today as a quick reminder. I would like to invite you all to the Tag Contributor Strategy Meeting on Thursday to remember Carolyn. She was an incredible force of good for the community and even if you did not have the pleasure of interacting with her or meeting her, you will feel her impact at any point throughout your cloud-native journey. So you have the time and the capacity to attend and listen or share. We would welcome that. Thank you all so much. Enjoy the rest of your day. Thanks Emily. Take care. Bye. Good to see all of you. Bye all.