 So This is our last session of automotive the initial inaugural automotive Linux summit Europe Look, I can clear out a room like nobody's business Man my breath must really stink So My name is Walt Minor and this is my colleague young Simon Muller. Hello. He's our release manager for automotive grade Linux Basically, this is our birds of a feather session So if you have any questions comments great thoughts, we'd like to hear it And so basically I'm just going to show the same like couple slides. I showed at the end of my presentation earlier today basically Want to get involved? How can you help? This is where we can help you with that basically the major projects. We're looking at this year involve vehicle to cloud and and Basically an RTOS interface and defining what an RTOS how to use an RTOS within the context of a GL Container or orchestration within our software to find vehicles expert group Developer workflow and defining up how to package apps and deploy apps is a really big hole in our ecosystem right now Documentation improvements is another big always always for any open-source project is always a big source of need and then If you're interested in helping out with design if you're a design type person and want to help out with design of reference apps But I'm gonna Open up the floor two questions. We have we have a lots of we have all of our great thinkers here from a GL in The room we even managed to coax Marius here So if you have a question or a comment, please We'll pass the mic And this is great if it's short we can all go ahead. We can all go have beers shortly. So Philip it's not directly a standard developer question Well, we have you have it there with a web app flutter cute and so on and it I was wondering if we see stv container orchestration what about the floor I missed the morning session I have to say and I was wondering what about things like telematics gateway where are more the core of the Linux get in is there something which you Consider on the roadmap not directly like the others Which I would like to see because of the safety part of it But more in the general wider scope because the traditional AGL is so much on cluster side And so what about the telematics way forwards gateways vehicle to cloud expert group is addressing that So there's a I could bring up the other presentation, but basically there's a vehicle to cloud expert group meets every other Monday AWS is leading that we're working on that James has been defining requirements and architecture for vehicle to cloud interfaces using MQTT and protobufs and Building on VSS and VIS But then also how to act as that vehicle gateway, you know that gateway within the vehicle to the other ECU's and You know collecting telematics data collecting diagnostic information and sending it up to the cloud So that's that's really been the purview of the vehicle to cloud expert group the last few years in conjunction with the connectivity expert group that Scott's been working on So in Scott, we've had we've had a telematics kind of a silver box Profile for quite a while and so Scott can talk about that. Yeah, we've had a we had a profile which is effectively just a very simple Like, you know core image minimal type of thing from Pocky with you know a couple more bits and then the demo image was a very simple Data collector that pushed up with MQTT that I put together Which currently right now? The demo image is there and then the collector isn't being built because it used the old app framework and I have We haven't had a lot of input on the the egs But I have sort of gone back and forth in my head of whether it makes sense to actually put Cooksa into that demo image because it seems a little heavy weight through what you might build and in In my head, I sort of envision that in a real deployment in production. You probably have You know the cooks a data broker or server running Somewhere is more central and a telematics device would probably be a client as opposed to running its own copy of it But for the purposes of having a working demo, I might just go and do it before we ship 16.0 but it some of it comes back to You know James is doing some work to define this protocol that you know comes out of some work He's done for and what AWS are interested in But like anything this, you know, there's a whole bunch of different things in this space So folks are interested in it. I mean it's very easy for us to say here's a base image You know, it's very plain headless device image and you can put whatever you want on there to you know act as a data collector and and Actually do your cloud stuff and in addition to the stuff I've done. We've had a couple of previous demo things There's somebody had a demo that used Some stuff out of Intel IOT cloud services API that they had put together So the things we can do but it you know, it's mostly we look for input and it's pretty hard to get sometimes so If you're interested in specific Technology demo and you know this open source implementation them, you know, it's definitely on the table that we could put that together and Have it in tree upstream as something that people can look at one of the things that The vehicle the cloud guys are looking for specifically is more OEM and tier one input as to whether the solution they're Creating is the correct one is usable is you know Something you guys would be interested in so clearly Bosch would be very welcome as part of this discussion and but on the other hand Sven and Pardon me Eric. Yeah Eric Yeah, there's been a couple of Bosch guys participating in the vehicle the cloud work where expert group Are they both on? This one works better. Yeah. Yeah, I guess this is also related second question And because this vehicle to cloud I guess gets quite close to the SDV container topics which you have right? Yeah They're there. Yeah, they they're touching right. Yeah, so you at least I heard last week that there is also some A eclipse SDV outreach to a GL some discussion going on there has been yeah, so Again, some of the Bosch guys from the later project have reached out and we've talked to them a few times So, you know, and we're of course we're monitoring what's going on in the SDV project, but It's one of those things where there's lots. So there's a lot of different things that are going on there I hate to say it but a lot of times we go they announce something we go look in the repositories and they're empty So I think as with anything in a GL we're an open-source project We welcome code contributions if somebody from the SDV project any of the SDV projects. I mean really it's an umbrella project Wanted to start building their code in a GL. We of course would welcome that if they if they bring it in In the case where we pulled in Cuxa, you know that vow, which is another kind of SDV thing You know we Scott went and figured out that it was something worthwhile for us So we're basic, you know, but if anybody brings code to us We're more than happy to take a look at it and incorporate it Yeah, and I guess in the leader case they want to take the other way around and also utilize the AGL as such right to say rather than taking the plane you're to pokey maybe going forward and Utilizing the AGL you're to base them and rather than Taking their own Level so at least it's what I heard last week in a workshop where yeah, it's been mentioned to us But not in a real concrete way. I mentioned that's something like I think considered but Yes, yeah, that's right. You had your event last week. Yeah, which I heard was very successful Yeah, I guess So yeah, I mean again, we're willing to talk to anybody about about how to incorporate their code And I get then the SDV container Workgroup topic interest group would be most likely the best place to start was right The SDV part and yeah, there's already some overlap There's people in our SDV EEG that are also tell us that they are in the eclipse SDV Working groups and stuff as well. So like some of the ADA AWS folks, I believe is said that they Contribute on the eclipse side. So At least as far as I know Hey Thanks. Okay. Oh Chris hi So I do a lot of work with Android and Android automotive. So which seems to be getting a lot of traction in the IVI Space so what does that mean for a GL? Do does a GL coexist with Android or is it replacement? So the what's the story there? Yeah, absolutely. So if you look at our We've had companies showing Showing basically I think that at least one of these demos mentions a GL running in a virtual machine alongside Android Yeah, the e-pam has done that and I've seen it in a few other places done so they'll have a GL running some of the the the vehicle functions the More you know classic vehicle functions and then passing that along to Android. So there's there's no reason at all why they couldn't coexist And we've heard we've heard of people doing this as well as showing just showing demos Yeah, there's I've heard people tell me that they've been doing work for tier ones to do like system container type stuff where it's Android and you know something built with a GL and one of the other containers. So not even just virtualization, but Some of the more system container type of things on the other hand. Nobody's upstreamed anything to us that would Loud that would make that would cause me to say hey You could just pull this off the shelf and go run it and we don't have that but we know that people are doing it Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean that that fits him with what what what I'm understanding So I mean other incompatibilities like at the vertio level or something some Again the e-pam guys were showing it with the running the vertio that that Panasonic and the sdv work group had done As far as I know there were no incompatibilities, but we have to talk to the e-pam guys. I I don't have a lot of information As far as I know they didn't they did not run into major roadblocks there as that was my understanding Cool good good to know. Yeah, and then the vertio stuff Scott can speak to me I mean most of that comes down to people just take the vertio drivers and Side or backport them right so you know to the host kernel Or the guest depends on which piece of the puzzle you're looking at I mean most of the big issues for us for open source and a GL have been like the back ends for the host side There's a lot of the newer vertio things like can and sound and Bluetooth Open synergy have support for that. They've worked to actually get the vertio Standardization done for it, but their their back ends are an open source. So there's actually Lonaro has been doing some work in this space and the AGL sdveg is gonna fund somebody this year to do That like a can I believe and sound I think we're the two and I think the work will probably be leveraging the the rust the host stuff that Lonaro have done And so that's something we'll probably have like buildable in a GL Right now. There's actually recipes have been contributed for the GPIO and I2c vertio back ends that a little narrow. We haven't merged those yet, but it's it'll happen You know probably either for a pike point release or for the next release So that the pieces are there. It's just Probably you'd need to actually look to see what the Android kernel you want to use in the VM supports And then sort of piece things together to actually have it all work Okay, thanks Any questions any other questions? Hey, so I'm probably person for you Jan Simon the tool we just had about from Lawrence from coping How much that Testing and open QA stuff you guys planning to integrate or have integrated You know Yeah, we do have the lava set up already. So that's what we have been using all the time Open QA We did not do that because we mainly We did not test the graphical UI, right? So we did not need the the needles We need to see if we maybe once once the UI is redone That could be an option to look into the UI part then Basically for now and for kind of getting the hardware testing canvas Lava itself does the trick for us Yeah we need to see if if if Open QA Well, if we can put that Attach that to the existing one. Yeah It's certainly an option once once If you need UI testing, yes go for open QA Yeah, if you have More hardware testing and basically you're fine with terminal Then you could probably skip that one And obviously that's for your own testing in terms of providing tooling for end users and the OEMs Is that what you're planning to do is kind of providing these tests tooling patches for them to use or? Do you know is this this research is working done more just of general interest or you know Is a jail planning to provide this kind of tooling to end users or you just providing the tooling for your own internal testing Well for the for the lava side that we have in place the the test definitions are in our repo and You can grab them you can extend them Yeah, we Was that we would see out in a box you could pick up what we were doing and you could deploy it you could deploy it locally I was that was the original concept, and I believe we're still Adhering to that and you can go back to some of our take some of yon simons previous Talks on YouTube about about how to do that. Yeah. Yeah Any other great thoughts Comments you could wrap this up early then if no one else has anything You know if we wrap this up in two minutes, it'll be five o'clock. We'll have worked from nine to five I think it was a song about that once So okay, I guess that's it. Thank you everybody. Thank you. 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