 Interpreter Lee, now that we have you on the panelist side, can we test your audio one more time? Captain Marinette, can you test your video and audio for me, please? I'm here. Thank you. Thank you so much. Interpreter Lee, can you test your audio, please? We moved you back into attendee view. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you very much. We're going to keep you on the attendee view side. Okay. And when we get to public comment, we will use you as needed, okay? Sure. And then Michael Wang will be on the main side. If he needs me, I will do it. Just let me know. Thank you very much. Sure, no problem. So I'm okay right now. Just stay. Yes. Okay. And just keep your mute on. Keep mute on. Yes, until public comment. Sure. Got it. Planner, can you do a video and audio check for me, please? Hi, can you hear and see me? I can. Thank you so much. Chair Weeks, we are good on our side if you are ready to go on your side. Great. Thank you very much. So if my fellow commissioners could sign on, that would be great. Okay. Thank you, everyone. And before we start tonight, I'd like to ask the interpreter currently. Could I go ahead? Yes, please. Chair Weeks continue. Okay. I'd like to ask the interpreter currently to commence translation of the meeting. Live translation can be heard on the Chinese channel. To join the Chinese channel, click on the interpretation icon on your Zoom toolbar. It looks like a globe. Once you join the Chinese channel, we recommend you shut off the main audio so you can clearly hear the Chinese translation. Interpreter Michael, if you can go ahead and please start the translation on our side for the participants. Okay. So I'm interpreting for the commentary. I mean, for anybody who has an opinion about this, right? Michael, I just need you to guide the public. Okay. I already did that. Okay. Let me start. Can I start right now? I'll do it again. I already did. Okay. Can you do it on the English channel, though? Please, on the channel that you're currently on. Okay. Okay. Right now, right? Yes, please. Thank you. Thank you very much. So with that, I'd like to call to order the December 8, 2022 meeting and center as a planning commission. And I'll read the following statement that we've been reading now for almost three years due to the provisions of the governor's executive orders in dash 25-20. And before I start, I'd also just like to mention that the interpretation, if we could, I'm a fast talker, so I'm going to try and slow down. And if we could all kind of slow down in our, when we talk, that would be great. So thank you. Hopefully I will take my own cue. Okay. So suspend certain requirements of the Brown Act and the order of the health officer of the County of Sonoma to shelter in place to minimize the spread of COVID-19. Planning commissioners will be conducting today's meeting in a virtual setting using Zoom webinar. Commissioners and staff are participating from remote locations and or practicing appropriate social distancing. Members of the public may view and listen to the meeting as noted on the city's website and as noted on the agenda. Members of this public wishing to speak during the public comment portion or during our other public hearing items tonight will be able to do so by raising their hand and will be given the ability to address the commission. So with that, I'd like to ask for a roll call. The record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of Commissioner Duggan and Commissioner Ocarpi. Thank you. So we'll move on to item two, which is approval of minutes. We have five sets of minutes from August 11th, September 20th, September 8th, September 22nd, October 13th and November 16th. Are there any changes or corrections to those minutes? Okay. Seeing none, those will stand. Those are approved as submitted. So now we'll move on to item three, public comments. We are now taking public comments on items that are not on the agenda tonight. So this is the time when any person may address the commission on matters not listed on this agenda. So in other words, the two public hearing items tonight. If you wish to make a comment via Zoom, please raise your hand. If you're dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand and star six to unmute once called upon. Are there any people wanting to make public comment for items that are not on the agenda tonight? Chair Weeks, I do see that there is a hand raised. Julia Perlman, I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself. Can you please state your name for the record? I apologize. I probably raised my hand at the wrong time when I address the peer review item. Is this the right time or no? If you are going to be speaking on either of the two items that are on the agenda tonight, you do need to wait until those items are reviewed. Okay. So I see one more hand raised. Yes. No, it's down. Okay. Chair Weeks. Yeah, I don't see any more hands raised. Great. Thank you. So with that, I'll go ahead and close the public comment item, a non-agended item. So we'll move on to planning commissioners reports and I'll read our commission statement of purpose. The planning commission is charged with carrying out the California planning and zoning laws in the city of Santa Rosa. Duties include implementation of plans, ordinances, and policies relating to land use matters, assisting in writing and implementing the general plan and area plans, building public hearings and acting on proposed changes to zoning code, zoning map, general plan, tentative subdivision maps, and undertaking special planning studies as needed. So with that, we'll move on to item 4.2, subdivision, and waterways advisory committee reports. Mr. Carter, do you have any info? Okay. Okay. Then we'll go to other commissioner reports and I'm going to start off by reading an email that we all received from Jeff O'Crapkey, who as a lot of you know, has been elected to Centers of City Council for District 6 and he was unable to be here tonight, which would have been his last meeting with us as a commissioner. So I told him I read this into the record. Good morning, my fellow commissioners. Sadly, I've had multiple conflicts come up for the December 8th planning commission meeting and will be forced to miss it. Since this was to be my last commission meeting before being sworn in as a council member, I won't be able to appropriately say my thanks and goodbyes. Therefore, and please excuse the impersonal nature, I'll have to do it via this email. First, I just want to say thank you to all that I have had the immeasurable pleasure to serve with. Land use was not a subject I was deeply familiar with when I started four years ago, but you all made it a smooth transition. Having watched other councils, commissions, and boards, I will forever be grateful for the collegial and friendly manner in which our commission conduct itself. There was never grandstanding or anger and I truly believe it led us to be more effective and efficient. To staff, you are all amazing. Your patience with us lay persons myself in particular is very much appreciated. I know you have heavy workloads and the public isn't always the smoothest of interactions, but your professionalism and work product always very much valued. I don't want to drone on and on because I could write a novella of appreciation about this experience. I just want to say thank you all for this experience that I never once regretted volunteering for. As I transition to my next position, I know this likely isn't goodbye, so I'll just say see you soon. Deepest gratitude, Jeff LeCrepke. So I would also like to just give my thanks publicly to Jeff for his four years on the commission and getting to know him. And I have confidence that our council will be in good hands with him, and though he will be greatly missed on the commission. Any other comments about Mr. LeCrepke before I move on to the other item I wanted to mention? Okay, so the other item is, as you may be aware, on Tuesday night the council reviewed the appeal on the Jane dispensary on Sonoma Highway. At that time there were six members of the council present. Vice Mayor Alrez was not able to be there and the appeal was denied with a 4-2 vote with council member McDonald and Mayor Rogers voting to support the appeal. I just wanted to report that to you in case you weren't aware of that. So are there any other commissioner reports? Okay, seeing none, we'll move on to department reports. Yes, thank you Chair Weeks and members of the Planning Commission. Good evening or thank you, good afternoon still. Jessica Jones, deputy director. So I don't have a whole lot to report, but just wanted to let you know, one our director Claire Hartman is out of the office this month dealing with some family matters. So I am in the acting director position, so should you need anything on a director level, please feel free to reach out to me. And then on that note, Claire, as of this month, is handing over the reins of staff liaison for the Planning Commission to me. So I will be your contact and staff liaison for the commission moving forward. So just wanted to let you know that. And that's all I have for tonight. Thank you. So are there, sorry, are there any statement of, excuse me, abstentions by commissioners tonight? Okay, seeing none. Excuse me. Item seven, consent items. We have no consent items today, so we'll move right on to our first scheduled public hearing. It's 8.1. It's public hearing for Stonebridge subdivision. Sequa addendum to a previously adopted mitigated negative declaration 2220 Fulton Road, PRJ 22-022 CUP 21-104 and MAJ 21-006. This is an ex parte item, so we'll go ahead and start with Commissioner Carter. I have visited the site and I have nothing further to disclose. Thank you. Commissioner Cisco. I have nothing to disclose on this item. Commissioner Holton. I've visited the site and I have nothing to disclose. Vice Chair Peterson. I have nothing to disclose. Thank you. And I also visited the site and have nothing further to disclose. So with that, we'll move on with Planner Murray who'll give us our presentation. Just one second and let's see if I can't get this right on the first try. Can you see it? Yes. Yay. Okay. It was bound to happen at some point. Good afternoon Chair Weeks and members of the Planning Commission. The project before you this afternoon is the Stonebridge subdivision map modifications. The project is located at 2220 Fulton Road. I thought it would be more appropriate to show you, give you a little bit of the project history before I roll into the project because I think it'll flow better. Last May or not last May, May of 2021, you approved the Stonebridge subdivision the first round. This is a repeat performance. That approval included an initial study or mitigated negative declaration, conditional use permit for a 105 parcel small lot subdivision and a tentative map. To subdivide the parcel into 105 residential lots and three lettered parcels, one of those lettered parcels, parcel A, was designated for stormwater treatment. In December last year, we received applications to modify the conditional use permit and tentative map. During staff review, we just, we learned or figured out that there really wasn't a process for modifying a tentative map or a condition, well, not for a tentative map. So this is actually a project that will supersede the previously approved. It's a new map and a new conditional use permit. Which takes me to the actions before the Planning Commission this afternoon. And that is an addendum to the previously approved initial study, mitigated negative declaration, a conditional use permit to supersede the previously approved project, allowing 108 residential lots and a new tentative map, increasing the number of lots to 108 through the subdivision of parcel A, which is no longer necessary for stormwater treatment. If approved and constructed, this project will provide 10 units for moderate income occupants for sale units, and 98 units for market that will be for sale market rate. Here's an aerial view of the site taken from our GIS. You can see it's, it's the, it's the portion that's outlined in blue. It's bordered by other residential development to the north and south. This parcel is developed with one residential unit in several outbuildings. Here's a Google view actually that shows us the same area that's noted by the red balloon and gives you a better idea about the neighborhood context here. The approved or the proposed map will fit in here where it extends Andre Lane from the north to the subdivision to the north through the stone bridge subdivision and down to the subdivision to the south. The general plan land use designation in this area is low density residential. That allows residential development at two to six units per acre. The site is in a plan development area and it is a residential plan development. The project will implement several goals of the general plan. First and foremost, it will provide housing, necessary housing to the residents of Santa Rosa and affordable housing to the residents of Santa Rosa. It also provides a very large area, a preserve area with habitat for protected species. It provides the probe, the way the project is proposed. It's within the allowable densities at 3.77 units per acre. The project has been reviewed again and it remains consistent with required development standards. The project has been reviewed in compliance with the California Environmental Quality Act. As I mentioned earlier, you approved or adopted a mitigated negative declaration in May of 2021 and there's an addendum before you this evening to update that mitigated negative declaration for three additional residential units. Here's a picture of the revised tentative map where you can see that that stone bridge preserve occupies the east portion and the new residential development is on the the left portion or the west portion of the site. Here just superimposing the site plan over that with the green circle shows the area of change. To zoom in on that, on the left side is the approved tentative map and on the right side is the proposed tentative map. You can see a few of those parcels on the kind of the right side of the circle there have been kind of repositioned just a little bit, adjusted a little bit to help accommodate the three new parcels that are in the gray area, which was parcel A. There are no unresolved issues and when I wrote this presentation, there were no new public comments. Although we did receive some, we did receive an email that was uploaded as public correspondence, late correspondence from Al Petri from the Northwest Santa Rosa Neighborhood Association. We brought up several things and the first I'm going to kind of address them a little bit out of order and two things that he mentioned raised concern about was the Fulton Road reimbursement agreement and the treatment for back on landscaping along Fulton Road. The project has been conditioned. I believe it's conditions 33 and 93 but don't quote me on that in the DAC or the Development Advisory Committee report to address those two situations. He also had some questions about the Jack London Park which was approved and he calls it the Jack London Park. I don't think that that's the official name but there's a park that was approved as part of a development several years ago to the northeast of this site. And lo and behold, when I reached out to some of my co-workers, I found out that there's actually a meeting scheduled next week. Very serendipitous that I've invited myself to attend just so I can get an update on that park and several city staff members and departments for that matter will be involved in that discussion. Mr. Petrie also brought up that there was no mailed notice to the northwest, what's it called, neighborhood association. For that I apologize. It's not a requirement in our zoning code and I'll noticing for the meeting was done in compliance with the zoning code. I think there's an educational factor here to that I just missed the opportunity to notify them. We I've agreed to work on on that with you know just raising awareness with other planners and what have you. I also want to point out that there was no notice of application sent on this project. When the application came in, it was a modification to a very recently approved project and it wasn't felt that it was necessary that a notice of application go go out because it's a that was kind of missed. There was a shift in planners and what have you and and so again no notice of application was sent out. The application came in shortly after the other project was approved and as you've heard me say before the zoning code allows the decision makers to proceed with their action in spite of a defect in noticing. There were also some revisions done to all three resolutions and to the development advisory committee report. I'm just going to go because it was confusing. I'm going to go through they're all relatively minor but on the addendum to the mitigated negative declaration there is a whereas where we added the word some minor changes in addition to the previously adopted MND and then another whereas where we well you can see the highlighted changes here that it would cause dot dot dot modifications that would cause new or substantial more severe impacts that were not previously analyzed. Basically they're saying you know the addition of three homes is not going to result in significant impacts. Resolution two for the conditional use permit in the title bar it referenced parcel D parcel D should have been parcel C because parcel C is the stone bridge preserve and then of course a typo I miss felt previously and then in the last finding for the sequel it referenced a previously noticed or a previously scheduled planning commission meeting and we just updated the date to reflect the meeting this evening. And in resolution three of the tentative map again we have a parcel C and parcel D mix-up that was corrected parcel C is the one that's designated for the stone bridge preserve. There was also some miscellaneous formatting that was corrected to try to get it onto four pages I think so and then last on the development advisory report condition number 13 was modified to include the language for moderate income occupants. That's how the project was approved and the applicant asked that that be clarified so we did that. So with that is recommended by the planning and economic development department that the planning commission by three resolutions adopt an addendum to the previously approved stone bridge subdivision initial study slash mitigated negative declaration approve a new conditional use permit for a small lot subdivision and approve the new stone bridge subdivision tentative map comprised of 108 residential parcels parcels A, B and D designated for landscaping and parcel C for the stone bridge preserve. That concludes my presentation and here is my contact information for people that are calling in if you cannot see this my name is Susie Murray my telephone number is 707-543-4348 and my email is smurry at srcity.org that concludes my presentation I know the applicant is on I believe he may have some comments but I'm available to answer questions as are they. Thank you Ms. Murray so the applicant will not be doing a presentation? No they will not be doing a presentation but they are available for questions and I believe that Mr. Helman would like to make some comments. Peter if you could raise your hand. I think I did Susie. Oh there you are there you are. Okay Mr. Helman. Well thank you Chair Wheats and members of the planning commission and Susie thank you very much. My name is Peter Helman I'm the principal of Paramount Homes the applicant for the stone bridge subdivision and I think we have on the meeting here also David Jacobson the landowner and Andy Bordesa the principal and civil design consultants and our civil engineer so the three of us are here to answer any questions that you or Susie may wish us to feel if any in any case I'm going to be very very brief just want to say we're very grateful to be on tonight's agenda it's been a long road to get here as Susie mentioned we're just making one small adjustment to our approved project that is to convert the former biofiltration basin that is not needed into three additional lots that conform with the other 105 lots that were previously approved. We're very pleased with Susie's presentation and are in full agreement with it we wouldn't change a word and just have to say that ourselves and our team is very proud of Stonebridge we're one of the first if not the first project in Santa Rosa to provide the BMR units on site with a foresail project and we're especially proud of the 14-acre preserve that we will be constructing hopefully starting this spring which will contribute to the survival of Berks Goldfields and Sonoma Sunshine two rare and endangered plants on the Santa Rosa Plain and with that I'm going to be merciful and cut my presentation off and once again thank you very much and myself David and Andy are here to answer any questions you may have. Thank you Mr. Hellman before I go to the public hearing on this are there any questions of Planner Murray or Mr. Hellman okay seeing none then we'll go ahead and open the public hearing on this item if you wish to make a comment via zoom please select the raised hand button if you're dialing in via telephone please dial star nine to raise your hand you will have three minutes a countdown timer will appear for the convenience of your of the speaker as well as viewers and please make sure to unmute yourself when you're invited to do so your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown so I see we have three hands raised Dave Williamson I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record Dave Williamson you're still muted yes yes can you hear me excuse me we can turn that down yes can I what can I do for you right now you had your hand raised for this public comment item okay I've turned myself up and I'm not muted now can you hear me do you have any comments on this item okay I need to go ahead and yes I do I see here you're trying to connect okay go now okay you should be able to see me hear me we can hear you Mr Williamson please go ahead okay yes okay yes we have Austin Creek Elementary with okay Mr Williamson I think you are wanting to speak on item eight point two you're sorry I am okay right now we are on item item eight point one so if you could wait until item eight point two yes take me off I'll wait thank you very much okay so yes Kathy Galvin I see that your hand's raised I'm going to send you a prompt please unmute yourself and then state your name for the record Kathy you're still still muted can you unmute yourself please here we go can you hear me now yes can you please state your name for the record before you get started your name's Kathleen Galvin and I live in the Woodbridge Development just north of this new proposed development I attended the public meeting last time this came up and I still have the same question is there no plan to control traffic for this the the Fulton Freeway is being widened to five lanes all the way down there's no traffic control between River Road and Piner and it's already difficult to get out of our street onto Fulton at traffic at busy traffic hours we really do need another traffic light is that it miss Galvin that's it okay thank you very much for taking your time to make the comments so are there any other members of the public who would like to speak on item eight point one yes David Jacobson I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself could you please state your name for the record David I see that you're unmuted but we can't hear you David we're having issues hearing you on your end your zoom might need to be updated if you'd like to make a comment please call in the phone number is 888-475-4499 our meeting ID is 883-2834-7211 and then press star nine and that will enable the raise your hand feature let me try one more time can you hear me now we can hear you okay great I apologize is as always you click three buttons but you really need to click four so my apologies let me introduce myself I'm David Jacobson I'm one of the owners of the property and I want to take this moment just to thank very much a number of people but before I do that I wanted to say we've we've been working on this project for 10 years we're very excited to build the 14 acre preserve you know more than double the protected area for species in that immediate area we're also very excited that we're going to be able to build on-site affordable housing and of course build the market rate housing that will provide more more opportunity for the citizens of Santa Rosa but most importantly I want to thank the planning commission for all the guidance and help you've given us and and lastly in particular I want to thank the staff and and specifically Susie Murray for all of her guidance and help steering our project through our approval plans so thank you very much thank you Mr. Jacobson anybody else wanting to speak on this item chair weeks I don't see any other hands raised thank you so with that I'll go ahead and close the public hearing and bring it back to the commission before we move the resolutions I wanted to address the question that Ms. Galvan had regarding the traffic plan if I remember we talked about this last time we saw this item but if you could just refresh us that would be great so I'm going to tell you that that there's been little change since the last time that you saw it in the traffic was analyzed during that addendum process and the the additional impacts from three homes won't change any of the conditions for that the the traffic division Rob Sprinkle and team have they reviewed the project no concerns were raised as did our engineering development services folks it's kind of a double dip on that review always so there were no other concerns raised thank you so with that we have three resolutions on this item and I'd like to see if somebody'd like to move the first resolution and then we can start discussion of the project commissioner Cisco yeah I can move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of Santa Rosa adopting an addendum to the stone bridge subdivision initial study mitigated negative declaration state clearing house number to zero two zero zero five nine zero four six for the stone bridge subdivision map modification project located at 2220 Fulton road assessors parcel number zero three four dash zero three zero dash zero seven zero file number prj 22 dash zero 22 parentheses maj 21 dash zero zero six and c up to one dash one zero four and wait for the reading of the text great thank you is there a second a second thank you so that was moved by commissioner Cisco seconded by commissioner Holton um we'll discuss the project as a whole even though there are uh the three different resolutions so with that let's go ahead and start with uh commissioner Carter if you have any comments and if you can make the findings oh yeah I've um looked at the project it has not as reported changed substantially since we saw it before and I think I can make all of the findings necessary to approve the amended uh mitigated neck deck the use permit and the subdivision map thank you thank you uh commissioner Cisco um I also can make the findings um for the addendum to the mitigated negative declaration and uh approve the project and commissioner Holton uh I can also make all the necessary findings to uh support the addendum to the project and just the project as a whole great and vice chair Peterson uh yes I can also make all the required findings uh to the addendum to the previously adopted mitigated negative declaration and I also make all the required findings um and as mentioned by both Ms. Murray and commissioner Carter there really haven't been in any major changes so with that if you could uh do a roll call vote um for that first resolution commissioner Carter hi commissioner Cisco hi commissioner Holton hi vice chair Peterson hi chair weeks hi so that passes with five eyes and two absences commissioner Duggan and commissioner Krepke being absent um and then the second resolution commissioner Cisco can I call on you again yes you can um I'll move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of Santa Rosa making findings and determinations and approving a conditional use permit for the stone bridge subdivision a small lot subdivision with 108 residential lots parcels a b and d that are designated for landscaping and parcel c designated for the stone bridge preserve and voiding the previously approved conditional use permit for the stone bridge subdivision file number prj19-049 approved by planning commission resolution number 12056 dated may 27 2021 for the property located at 2220 Fulton road file number prj22-022 parentheses c up 21-104 and maj 21-006 and wait for the reading of the text thank you and is there a second thank you commissioner Holton uh so that was moved by commissioner Cisco seconded by commissioner Holton um once again commissioner Carter comments regarding this and the findings uh yes I will be able to make the necessary findings for the modification of the use permit and support the project thank you commissioner Cisco I also can make the required findings for the modified conditional use permit great uh commissioner Holton I can also make all the necessary findings for the modified conditional use permit and on device chair peterson I can also make all the required findings for the modified permits great and I also can make all the required findings for the modified use permit so with that that was uh moved by commissioner Cisco seconded by commissioner Holton uh if we could do a roll call vote please commissioner Carter hi commissioner Cisco hi commissioner Holton hi vice chair peterson hi chair weeks hi so that passes with five eyes and two absence uh commissioner dougan and commissioner crepti being absent and we go on to our third and final resolution on this item with that I move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of san aroza approving the stone bridge subdivision tentative map to allow the subdivision of one parcel into 108 residential lots parcels a b and d designated for landscaping and parcel c designated for the stone bridge preserve avoiding the previously approved map city file number prj 19-049 approved by planning commission resolution number 12057 dated may 27 2021 for the property located at 2220 fulton road assessors parcel number 034-030-070 file number prj 22-002 parentheses c up 21-104 and maj 21-006 and wait for the reading of the text thank you thank you so that was moved again by uh commissioner Cisco seconded by commissioner Holton um we'll start with uh commissioner Carter sorry uh yeah I can make all the findings necessary to approve the revised tentative map and we'll be uh supporting the project thank you and commissioner Cisco I can also make all the findings for the the new tentative map resolution and we'll support the project and commissioner Holton can also make all the required findings for the approved change to the map and I also support the project thank you and uh vice chair Peterson I can also make all the required findings for the tentative map thank you and I also can make all the required findings for the tentative map so with that if you could call for roll call vote please commissioner Carter hi commissioner Cisco hi commissioner Holton hi vice chair peterson hi chair weeks hi so that passes with five eyes two absence commissioner crepti and commissioner duggin being absent uh please note this action is final unless an appeal is filed within 10 calendar days of today's action the time limit will be extended to the following business day if the last day falls on a day that the city is closed pursuant to 20-62.030 and for information on how to submit an appeal form please contact the project planner and what I'd like to do now before we move on to item 8.2 is take a five minute break to uh help with the uh interpretation okay um staff are you ready to roll do you need to uh call roll again after the break yes we can thank you I let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of commissioner duggin and commissioner okrepki great thank you uh so with that we will move on to our second and final item tonight item 8.2 it's a public hearing peer of vita recovery services it's a sequel exempt project minor conditional use permit at 5761 mountain hawk suites 201 to 207 file number c up 22-045 this is an exparte item so let's go ahead and start with commissioner carter yes I've visited the site and the applicants of their operation in Santa Rosa and I have nothing further to disclose thank you commissioner sisco I visited the site I also looked up our um June 23rd 2005 planning commission meeting minutes which was when this project was approved mainly because I wanted to refresh my memory of what our recommendations were didn't really learn anything new just concerns were expressed and care was taken with regard to the scenic road designation um the older minutes actually contain narrative instead of just bullet points so it's kind of fun to go back and read them and um they're more informative than what we get now so anyway that's all I have thank you uh commissioner holton I have nothing to disclose and vice chair peterson I visited the site and I have no additional information to disclose great and I also visited the site and have nothing further to disclose um before we start with uh planner bees law I would like to mention that since we anticipate quite a few speakers tonight on this we will be um limiting public comments to two minutes each and if you require uh interpretation it would be then a total of four minutes two minutes for the English and two minutes for the Chinese so uh with that um planner bees law you want to take it off hello yes good afternoon um let me share my screen are you able to see my presentation yes we are great um so I am planner bees law and this is a request for a minor conditional use permit for a pure avida recovery services it's a 24 bed community care facility for monitored monitored detoxification and withdrawal management slash residential treatment it would be a 24 hour operation with three to five staff members for overnight shifts and six to eight or daytime shifts the project would be located at 5761 mountain hawk drive and as you can see here it's on the corner of mountain hawk and highway 12 some project history for background on july 22nd the applicant obtained a zoning clearance for a community care facility with six or fewer clients as it is permitted in um all zoning districts except for the motor vehicle sales district on august 1st a minor conditional use permit application was submitted for a community care facility with seven or more clients on october 10th 2022 the notice of public meeting was distributed and october 10th the request for a public hearing was received and finally on october 31st city staff met with neighbors there have been some changes to the application material since the initial notice of public meeting for the october 20th zoning administrator meeting the applicant is no longer proposing an outpatient clinic in the downstairs speeds as they're all occupied by tenants in long-term leases um should the applicant wish to incorporate an outpatient clinic in the future an additional minor use minor conditional use permit would be required the applicant has also proposed a designated smoking area location the project site is a part of the neighborhood commercial zoning district as well as the scenic road combining district community care facilities with seven or more clients are allowed in the neighborhood commercial zoning district through a minor conditional use permit the general plan land use designation for this site is very low density residential although the zoning for this site is not consistent with the general plan land use designation the use would still be consistent that implementing zoning district for the very low density residential land use would be rural residential where the proposed use would still be allowed with a minor conditional use permit in fact all large community care facilities are permitted in all of the city's zoning districts with a minor use permit with the exception of the motor vehicle sales district this proposed use is consistent with numerous goals and policies of the general plan there are no other large community care facilities in this neighborhood the nearest community care facility with seven or more clients is approximately two miles west of the subject site by providing housing and treatment for people suffering from addiction the proposed project helps to diversify santa rosa's housing stock to meet the needs of various residents this here is not an exhaustive list of general plan goals and policies which a proposed use is consistent with it's just a sample of policies pulled by staff the minor use permit for large facilities does need to ensure general plan consistency but it is there to allow the city to analyze the specifics of the proposed facility to ensure that it meets the standards of the community care facility section of the zoning code and that is compatible with the surrounding area which is what the commission is being tasked with considering here you can see a floor plan of the seven suites as you can see the middle suite would be used as an office for staff to work out of and the remaining six have two bedrooms with two beds in each bedroom the parking requirements table in the zoning code requires one spot for every three beds for a community care facility the project proposes 24 beds so eight parking spots would be required however the business has access to 30 shared off-street parking spots at the bottom of the site plan here we can see the proposed location for the designated smoking area which meets all requirements of the smoking ordinance this is entirely conceptual however and the applicant has agreed to work with the city to determine the most appropriate design and location for the designated smoking area planning staff is required to make six findings for approval of a minor conditional use permit number one the proposed use is allowed within the applicable zoning district and complies with all other applicable provisions of this zoning code and the city code in this case the property is zoned neighborhood commercial scenic road and the zoning code allows the proposed use in neighborhood commercial districts through the approval of a minor conditional use permit number two the proposed use is consistent with the general plan and any applicable specific plan staff has found consistency with a general plan in that community care facilities are identified as a residential land use which would be consistent with all of the general plan residential land use designations including this including the subject sites very low density residential land use designation specifically the zoning code allows the proposed use in the rural residential zoning district which implements the subject sites very low density residential land use designation with the approval of a minor conditional use permit staff has also found consistency with the general plan's goals and policies which I previously summarized number three the design location size and operating characteristics of the proposed activity would be compatible with the existing and future land uses in the vicinity while the site is surrounded by single family residential development the zoning code identifies community care facilities as a residential use the proposed use has been conditioned to ensure that sufficient parking will be provided that facility staff will be available 24 hours per day and clients will be supervised when outside of the facility in addition a hotline will be provided for neighbors and visitors in the event of a complaint for concern clients will be screamed and no sex offenders or violent felons will be admitted to the facility and clients will be required to be sober while in the program and will be screened on a daily basis the project is required to comply with the city's noise ordinance which would prevent any loud unnecessary or unusual noise which disturbs the neighborhood number four the site is physically suitable for the type density and intensity of the use of the use being proposed including access to utilities and the absence of physical constraints each second floor apartment is 1188 square feet and can accommodate the proposed use the existing facility is already connected to utilities and traffic and parking demand is not anticipated to significantly increase number five granting the permit would not constitute a nuisance or be injurious or detrimental to the public interest health safety convenience or welfare or materially injurious to the person's property or improvements in the vicinity and zoning district in which the property is located new clients will only be admitted during business hours and are required to stay within the facility during their stay with a minimum of three to six staff members on site further clients will be drug tested as well as criminally screened and the Santa Rosa police department has reviewed the proposal and has no concerns regarding safety number six the proposed project has been reviewed in compliance with the with the california environmental quality acts which i will get to in just a second but there are two findings specific to community care facilities which are included in the draft resolution before you this project is categorically exempt from sika with three exemptions number one it is located sorry it is exempt with the class one exemption in that it is located in an existing structure involving negligible expansion it is also exempt with a class three exemption in that it is a change of use requiring only minor exterior modifications to the structure and class 32 as well in that it is an infill project staff has received numerous public comments both opposed to and in favor of the proposed project to summarize some of the primary concerns there are concerns of proximity to an elementary school and compromise safety traffic impacts effects on the economic vitality of neighboring businesses and issues during fire evacuation neighbors have expressed concern regarding proximity to to an elementary school and compromise safety however no evidence has been suggested to have been submitted to suggest that the proposed neighborhood will affect the safety sorry the proposed project will affect the safety of the neighborhood state law and city code also do not limit proximity between schools and community care facilities and the police department has reviewed the project and does not have any concern regarding traffic impacts um a trip generation memo was done by doubly trans and it demonstrates that the proposed use would have a very insignificant effect on traffic clients will not have vehicles while they're on site and they're not allowed to leave without a staff member and client check-in will take place during business hours so there will be no after hours traffic to the site regarding effects on economic vitality of neighboring businesses the applicant has actually received numerous letters of support from neighboring businesses of their existing locations and the city does not have any documentation that the proposed use would have a negative impact on the neighboring businesses on site regarding issues during fire evacuation the number of clients here will be similar to the number of tenants who were previously housed in the residential units which was 22 however in the case of fire evacuation with piravida clients will be evacuated in two bands whereas previously the tenants would have each driven their own vehicles there's also been public comment received in support of the project to summarize incorporating the facility into a neighborhood commercial plaza would help to decrease the stigma that those trying to recover need to be isolated and institutionalized addiction does not discriminate based on neighborhood or socioeconomic status making skyhawk an appropriate location neighbors of current piravida facilities that say that they are responsible and respectful neighbors and support and their husband support from piravida program graduates and their families therefore it is recommended by the planning and economic development department that the planning commission by resolution approve a minor conditional use permit for piravida recovery services a 24 bed community care facility and void the zoning clearance previously issued on July 22nd 2022 for community care facility with six or fewer clients located at 5761 mountain hog drive suites 201 through 207 for any questions comments or concerns this is my contact info and for anybody phoning in my name is such nor this law my email is s this law at s our city dot org that's s e i s l a and my number is 707 543 3223 i believe the applicant is has a presentation as well thank you thank you very much and before we go to the applicant are there any questions of planter besla okay then let's go ahead and hear from the applicant hello can you hear me yes we can and can you please state your name for the record yeah my name is alex wignall and i'm one of the owners of piravida recovery services thank you nor for your presentation i appreciate all your work um i wanted to make a presentation to accomplish a couple things to address some of the concerns that we've seen from the community as well as to describe sort of the day-to-day operations of what's going to happen in a facility because it is unfamiliar to most people how a non-medical residential detox or non-medical residential treatment program might work so i prepared a presentation that i'm just going to read through there are also a couple points that i'm prepared to answer if they become an issue i know that we found out late that there was some concern about our status as a non-medical facility and i have lots of information and documentation about that in regards to our state license and our accreditation and how we operate our business so first i wanted to thank everyone who's shown support for our project it's an affirmation that the good work we strive to do every day is making an impact and achieving its desired goal to provide quality affordable addiction treatment to as many people as possible pure video recovery services was founded in 2017 by myself david wignall and ben paul von david is my dad and the father of six children three of whom have had issues with addiction and ben is a friend that i met when we were both in early recovery 10 years ago i'm telling everyone these personal details to assure you that we are invested in the project um it's not just a side business or something that we do part-time this is this is our life our lives have been forever changed by our experiences with addiction and recovery pure video recovery services is licensed and certified by the california department of health care services and our program our programs are accredited by the joint commission on accreditation of health care organizations um in addition we are um credentialed with and contracted with some of the largest insurance providers in california um and they also require a significant amount of oversight they trust us with their their clients and their patients and that requires us to meet the highest industry industry standards um the first thing i wanted to point out is that um i believe there was some question about whether we um this facility should be considered a community care facility as opposed to a health care health care facility or some other designation in the city code um if you look at the the language on our license which i've included in my presentation it says that we are licensed to operate and maintain a non-medical adult residential alcohol and or drug program um underneath that you'll see several other other designations which we are licensed to provide services for um let me scroll down to that really quick those include uh incidental medical services detoxification recovery and treatment services under the level of care designation clinically managed low intensity residential services clinically managed residential withdrawal management clinically managed population specific high intensity residential services and clinically managed high intensity residential services um you'll notice on there that it does not say other than incidental incidental medical services it doesn't mention medical services or inpatient services and um it's an important distinction if i have to reference later the health and state california health and safety code because our program is classified differently than health care facilities which are outlined in the santa rosa zoning code so i just wanted to make a note of that now and i can elaborate on that later um the santa rosa city of santa rosa's definition of a community care facility is a facility place or building that is maintained and operated to provide non-medical residential care which may include home finding and other services for a variety of different people including the addicted so as you can see the license on our the wording on our license matches up almost word for word with the wording and the the city's definition of community care um there's also been some confusion about the types of services we're going to provide on site and so i wanted to clear that up there's not going to be unsupervised sober living um it's not going to be a halfway house it's not going to be a walk-up medication clinic like a methadone clinic for a suboxone clinic we're not going to be home housing the homeless and we do not receive any county state or federal funding everyone who comes to our program pays either privately or through their private insurance our staff is very experienced and our clinical supervisor is a licensed psychologist with 10 years of experience in the field our program director is a certified addiction counselor with 10 plus years of experience in the field our counselors are all certified and registered addiction counselors that is a position that we hire entry-level people at and train to to fill the position but we have counselors that have up to 15 years of experience as well the day-to-day and overnight staff consists of medical assistants and trained treatment technicians and they also can be entry-level but have up to five years of experience our nursing supervisor and safety officer is a registered nurse she's on call 24-7 in case of an emergency to give guidance to our our day-to-day and overnight staff and she has over five years of experience in a level three trauma center in the emergency department and our medical and incidental medical services director is a medical doctor with 25 plus years of experience with addiction medicine so what is non-medical residential detox it's kind of a mouthful i'm hoping i don't mess it up during my presentation too many times the goal of detox is for clients to stop using drugs and alcohol safely a lot of times depending on someone's history of use it's not safe to just stop drinking at home but you also might not need to be in a hospital and so we feel a niche in between those two situations our facility is supervised 24 hours a day our clients actually during their first 24 hours they're required to be physically observed and monitored every 15 minutes which is documented and charted and they check for normal breathing client affect things like that on top of that they have their vitals checked every three hours and we have a range of acceptable vitals for those clients if they go outside of that range they're moved to a facility where they can have medical attention our clients are all screened and physically searched upon entry and they're drug tested daily they do not have access to their personal phones or electronic devices for the first 72 hours while they're in treatment all meals are provided on site all activities are on site they receive exposure to addiction treatment through group counseling and individual counseling and treatment planning and clients at this level of care do not have vehicles on site and do not go anywhere outside of the facility during treatment except for potentially mild exercise under the direct supervision of janitor staffs clients in this level of care typically stay with us for between 3 and 14 days depending on necessity other service that we're requesting permit for us to provide non-medical residential treatment which is a step down in intensity from detox so the goal of this level of care is to educate and deliver clinical programming to clients while in a safe structured sober environment to build the foundation for lasting recovery from drugs and alcohol typically this is the second step someone would participate in their recovery after detox so it is can it it's probable that when this permit is approved people will move directly from detox into the residential level of care at the same facility during this level of care clients are physically free from drugs and alcohol they're tested regularly to ensure compliance again they have 24 hour supervision by medical assistants counselors psychologists and treatment technicians meals are provided on site and off site depending on their schedule for the day activities and treatment are both on site and off site depending on their schedule clients will be off site for a majority of the day potentially from around 10 a.m. until around 6 p.m. they're allowed to receive treatment at our other facility on the west side of town so that we will be transporting them to our other facility where they'll be meeting with the counselors and have group counseling as well then they would arrive back and have dinner participate in a potentially in a community-based recovery meeting or hold a meeting in the house themselves and then they would go to the bed and start all over the next day these clients also do not have vehicles or go anywhere outside without a representative representative of peer review to recovery services they receive six to eight hours a day of treatment which can include individual counseling cbt dbt which are two forms of talk therapy relapse prevention recreational therapy physical fitness self-help medians spiritual practices seeking safety trauma informed care life skills and community reintegration skills and i've attached this sample schedule to this presentation to anyone that wants to look at it clients in this level of care typically stay with us for 30 to 90 days as recovering addicts and alcoholics our future clients are protected by several pieces of long-standing federal and state legislation they're guaranteed the same rights and access to housing and services as anyone else as their representatives we intend to make sure that they have those rights and access to quality addiction treatment it is clear that this legislation was considered carefully by the city and protections codified in federal and state law are also reflected in the city's zoning code and general plan this legislation makes clear that um fears and assertions based on stereotypes about our potential clients and their status as addicts cannot be acted on by the city as a justification for denying this permit um i think nor put it perfectly when she talked about um you know their findings the city's findings um the police department has no issue with our proposed projects our current neighbors love us um and we've never had any issues like some of the concerns we've seen so i'm going to go through some of the concerns that we've seen specifically just to address them um the first one i want to talk about is a concern that our program will be located too close to a school which is a bad thing because addict seeking treatment will bother the children and or are unsafe to be around them as nor mentioned there's no restriction on proximity of community care facilities to schools to anywhere in the zoning code furthermore as a father and recovery with two young children and a third on the way i take particular offense at this suggestion i owe my life my family and everything i have to a facility like the one we are pro proposing i bring my kids to work with me once a week they interact with our staff and our clients our clients are not just drug addicts they're loving parents grandparents aunts uncles children siblings to suggest that because our clients are seeking treatment for a diagnosable behavioral health condition there are some somehow unfit to be within a half a mile of children is absurd our current detox facility has been located directly behind an elementary school in santa rosa for two years i called the principal of that elementary school and asked her if she knew there was a six-bed detox facility behind the school she had no idea our clients are supervised and absolutely safe to receive treatment within any distance of children in our community and our experience shows that you won't even notice that we're there there's been concerned that our program will lead to an influx of homeless and vagrant people in the area i think based on the structure that i described um you can glean that that's not going to be true our program has a 100% voluntary admission we don't we don't take court order to paroled clients no one is forced to come to treatment with us we conduct we conduct rigorous screenings for mental health general health family dynamics criminal background and we do these things for a couple reasons we only want to treat people that were qualified to treat first of all and second of all um there are situations where people aren't a good fit for our program because of some issues that they may have and we screened for those things um there's been an assertion that this project will negatively impact the community um i would argue that we're going to have the exact opposite effect we provide a much needed service to individuals struggling with substance abuse there's currently only one other private residential recovery program and no existing private detoxification facility in the city of santa rosa and the addiction rate continues to rise on top of that the only residential program in city limits is an all women's program so there are currently no male residential um treatment beds in santa rosa city limits as a result many clients who need detoxification and residential services end up burdening our emergency department capacity as well as local hospitals and healthcare staff or worse they don't get the help they need before it's too late um nor did a good job of addressing safe egress during a fire emergency but i wanted to add that our license and our accreditation required that we have emergency management plans in place and our traffic our staff is well well trained to facilitate those types of issues a lot of people thought that we weren't licensed or accredited um and again we're licensed by the department of health care services and we're accredited by accredited by the joint commission on accreditation of health core health care organizations um there have been people requesting a success rate from us um and i just want to make a quick word on that uh any addiction treatment center that advertises a success rate is lying to you if there was a treatment modality with a 90 success rate we would hardly need treatment centers at all unfortunately addiction is one of the most deadly and challenging diseases to treat attempts to determine a success rate are confounded by multiple factors additionally there's a question of how to define success does everyone who comes to treatment need to stay sober from all substances for the rest of their lives does an opiate addict need to never drink a beer again does an alcoholic who stops drinking need to refuse pain medication after a surgery these are all questions that require a case-by-case analysis and you can't just check the box in a yes success no fail type of category purivita does follow up with clients to gain insight into our program and get better but we do not attempt to aggregate a success or failure rate there's been a concern that the proposed project will have a negative effect on the businesses currently located at the address our current location in santa rosa has had the opposite effect on our neighbors our clients and staff have become regular customers with neighboring businesses purita has even partnered with some of these neighbors to provide routine services for our clients we've submitted letters of support from these neighbors which affirm these statements we've never had any issues with vandalism crime or any other news there's also no evidence to suggest that an addiction treatment center negatively affects property values in the surrounding area some people want to not want to know why we would put addiction treatment center next to a restaurant that has a bar in it you know maybe in a perfect world we wouldn't but in our society it's pretty hard to find a location that's not next to somewhere that sells alcohol our current location was located directly next to a bar and restaurant for four years before that bar went out of business we never had a single issue with the client going to get a drink or relapsing there but we did have several people from the bar wander over to ask us about quitting drinking there was another issue about parking but i nor did a good job on that one you know in closing i just my partners and i hope that we can move forward with support from the entire community but regardless of what happens we'll continue to work tirelessly to make sure everyone who needs our help can get it so sorry that was a little long winded there's a lot to get through and i'm more than happy to answer any questions i have a lot more information i'm sure there's going to be a lot of questions so i guess we'll be here for a while thank you thank you mr ringnell um any questions of the applicants at this time um i i do want to um just ask you about the license so do you have a license on the currents on this site on skyhawk and if you don't um what is the process and how long does that all take i wasn't real clear on that sure um right now we have a license to operate a six bed detox facility on the west side of san rosa which we currently operate and we've submitted to add an address um two of the units on the end units 201 and 202 are included in an application with the department of health care services to add six more beds there to fulfill the zoning clearance that we got from the city um back in i think it was september or october um as far as the timeline goes we're still waiting um it's just you know it's it's taking time they're all working remotely um but that process involves a site visit um a re-implementation of new standards there we have to meet the same standards as at our previous facility um so we'll have to furnish it and staff it and fulfill all the obligations of our existing license um and then we'll also have to add that facility to our accreditation which will be another site visit from the accrediting body as well great thank you um any other questions uh commissioner sisco i actually have a lot of questions uh for the applicant but do you want me to go into those now or do you want to wait till after the public hearing they're sort of specific to the detox process um let's go ahead and wait till after the public hearing portion of the meeting um okay and so if there aren't are there any other questions at this point uh we did get a request to take a quick break uh to help with the interpreters so if we could take like a three-minute break that would be great and then when we come back we will go right into the public hearing chair weeks um can we can we get an extra two minutes i'm just checking in with the interpreters really quickly sure no problem just give a shout when you're ready to go thank you chair weeks we're ready to go whenever you are thank you okay thank you all for for that um so with that we'll go ahead and um bring um bring it back to the commission oh i'm sorry um do you need to do a roll call since we took a break i'm never quite sure what the logistics are for it yes okay um let the record reflect that all commissioners are present with the exception of commissioners dug in and commissioner uh oakard key great thank you um as i previously stated i'm sorry i don't see vice chair peterson there he is thank you thank you miss crocker um i like that you keep us on our toes um so as i previously stated due to the number of comments we anticipate tonight um we'll be limiting public comment on this item to two minutes if you are we'll be using the chinese interpretation would be a total of four minutes two minutes for the english and two minutes for the chinese um if you are participating in the meeting from the chinese channel in zoom we have an interpreter on standby on the english channel to assist during your public comment if you wish to make a public comment please make sure to pause throughout your comment to allow for interpretation for chinese speakers at the time you hear your name called please turn off the chinese channel to make your public comment the icon looks like a circle with a m in the middle and the word chinese underneath um so with that i will now go ahead and open the public hearing um if you wish to make a comment via zoom please select the raised hand button if you're dialing in via telephone please dial star nine to raise your hand each speaker as i said has two minutes a countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and the viewers please make sure to unmute yourself when you're invited to do so your microphone will be muted at the end of the countdown the first four speakers from the public will be as follows as they are providing a presentation so the first speaker will be david chen followed by david paul followed by kermit springstead and then robert butler as a reminder you will have two minutes each so we will start with uh david chen david chen i just gave you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record yes can you hear me yes we can okay good evening chair wicks and commissioners my name is david chen a resident in skyhawk for over 22 years i'm a deacon board member of the chinese Christian church in st roza and i'm an organizer of the skyhawk united we formed multiple study groups to analyze the pro reader project with contributions from medical physicians substance abuse clinical psychologists city planners formal county directors formal law enforcement officers 911 dispatchers teachers firefighters and social workers each of these groups has reported back that the face the facility is inappropriate for such a compromised adult facility and it has a negative impact on our community safety security and sport prosperity it is so close to our school which is which has 350 students and we have an alternative study group and they have found that at least there are two other good solutions in st roza which will better serve such compromised clients for these reasons on behalf of the 516 residents signed the petition i request you deny the minor conditional use of permit and issue a permanent injunction for anything bigger than six-part i thank you for your time thank you the next speaker will be david paul give me a second to find him i don't see him yeah i don't see him either um could we um could you oh i know i see him sorry i see him as the last person with their hand raised uh david paul i just sent you a prompt can you please state your name for the record good evening chair and members of the santa roza planning commission and thank you nor my name is david paul i'm a retired management professor and my wife and i have lived at 56 83 queen and drive since march of 2017 this project is less than 400 feet from the corner of my lot and less than 600 feet from the care home that has been located right next door to me this fact in and of itself is cause for denial of the permit because it violates the 1000 foot rule in zoning code 20 42060 which defines over concentration of facilities there is no evidence of any mid mitigation our research team shows that this project would violate the zoning code the city code and the general plan of the city of santa roza the design the location and the operating characteristics of this project would not be compatible with existing and future land uses in the vicinity of skyhawk approving the project would put the city in violation of state law basically the project does not serve any skyhawk neighborhood needs whatever this project has evicted skyhawk residents from seven skyhawk village apartments and will create a for-profit detox facility and bring 24 addicts into our neighborhood to approve this minor use permit all the findings in 20 52 50 must be made and they cannot be made this proposed facility is not consistent with cn designation because it does not help the neighborhood it claims it is a negligible expansion of a previous small community care facility and as you heard from the applicant no community care facility has ever been located at this site and the expansion from six clients to 24 clients is dramatic not thank you mr paul thank you um the next speaker will be kermit springstead kermit springstead i just sent you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record my name is kermit springstead i am a resident here of skyhawk and first thank you for taking my comments i want to ask the committee to look beyond the neatly completed application and submitted plan for this project and listen to the concerns that i have as a nurse of 40 years whose practice has been centered on working with patients to both recover from their illness and return to a premorbid state and for the record i have no fear of this population i am concerned that this plan is no more than a human warehouse being forced into a physical setting that was not designed for a therapeutic milieu apartments that were designed for people living independent lives with the capacity to come and go at their will were not intended to house vulnerable individuals defined by the very nature of meeting the admission criteria for this recovery program consider the white space that newly sober addicts experience the white space is the empty time that those in recovery experience when there is no drug induced stupor to keep them occupied being subject to housing in an isolated environment with so much white space in the evening and night time after the brand brings you back and no structure on how to use this time concerns me as a nurse advocate for patient safety and mental well-being the only available interaction is limited to other folks as vulnerable as they are and infrequent checks by staff also sweeping there is no capacity for healthy plan congregate activities and socializing nor are there any activities or services available in the strip mall other than an eatery that serves alcoholic beverages stopping multiple strangers into an apartment with the expectation of their safety and security causes me great concern thank you thank you mr springston um the next speaker will be robert butler robert butler i'm sending you a prompt to unmute yourself if you could please state your name for the record hello chair and commission i'm dr robert butler i live in skyhawk i was born and raised in this area when it was austin ranch in fact i went to local recon valley schools i also have children i used to work at the developmental center in eldridge and most recently as a director at the county of sonoma working closely with social service departments and programs from this i have gained experience with the intended population and witnessed the effects of addiction and clutter damage it causes firsthand there's no question this population needs access to quality treatment um and services however this proposal doesn't do that first and foremost is safety in addition to the elementary school the village location is very close to a children's playground and soccer fields or families and children frequent there's a trail it runs from the apartments along the creek to these places that are not that's an easily accessible there's nothing physically preventing clients from wandering off those coming down off substances can often be agitated aggressive and violent so there could be undesirable encounters between them and the public former clients at relapse could likely return to the area so we'd need better presence from the police smoking creates a fire risk as well as second hand smoke health risks there also impacts to housing property values and quality of life the proposal has already displaced existing tenants the community will permanently lose seven affordable residential housing units which could affect families who want to live near excellent schools and quality education regarding property values there are numerous studies that show that property values decrease where detox we have facilities are established and the quality of life neighbors indicated that they would be fearful and not use the village any longer so in conclusion i strongly urge the commission to deny the application for more than six beds at this location now i turn it over to great cogey is the next speaker for public comment thank you no excuse me the next speaker we had four speakers um david chen david paul and yourself so the next speaker will be nancy wong nancy i sent you a prompt can you please state your name for the record my name is nancy wong can you hear me yes we can okay thank you for the chair wakes and the commission members i am 45 years resident in center osa and also i serve on the city council for 12 years for city council advisor war and northeast skyhawk is my district i work with all the residents there i'm holding so many tom hall meetings helping them to increase i mean improve the parks please just don't visit visit the site say it's okay to have this facility you got to get it into the resident there to know the resident what they need you know first i heard this project i think it's so dangerous not a safety for the skyhawk resident wonderful elementary school and the trail over there the soccer field that all the projects i did personal involved with the skyhawk resident and this facility is not a safe for the resident i know a lot of people already i don't want to double you know the people's say things but i really asking planning commission please do not approve these plans 24 beds this is another kitty i mean it's not a safe absolutely these people go around go out to the resident are you going to guarantee it's not nothing happened you don't want to wait y'all things i mean things happen then you're taking care of the profit this is not right away please do not approve thank you thank you um the next speaker will be judy chen judy chen i just sent you a prompt to unmute yourself could you please state your name for the record hi can you hear me yes we can yeah hi center osa planning commissioners my name is judy chen id vs they drive south of highway 12 with my family for more than 13 years um thank you for the opportunity to express my opinion about the proposal so first that the i want to talk about is from the perspective of the care of the patients uh first the patients living in the seven units upstairs of the 5761 monohull drive have direct access to outside how to control the patients in and out by an office manager or medical staffs are downstairs most of the time the patients supervision is not adequate it opens more opportunity for the patients to take drugs of their choice or smoke easily and second when patients are going to groups to go upstairs or downstairs at the same time they can only use the small elevator or the stairs so most of the patients may experience depression anxiety or hallucination while detaching using stairs outside to go upstairs and downstairs is unsafe and dangerous for them and also assuming patients will follow guideline while supervision is not sufficient it's not practical alcohol and drug addiction is so powerful the people who struggle with it may manipulate their friends to bring their drugs to them as all the units can be easily accessed from outside and there's a plenty of open space in the back in addition the medical hospital uh and the social services facility are too far away from the location the memorial hospital the Kaiser the Sutter are all minimized away and then you know if the patients need that waiting for ambulance or a bus could be problematic for patients so there are more than 500 houses in the skyhawk neighborhood it's a great community with good people and good school um it's true that our society thank you okay thank thank you very much um the next speaker has the name of marinn county fire department so i'm not if you could please state your name for the record um that would we would appreciate that marinn county fire department i sent you a prompt can you unmute yourself looks like they've gone away okay so the next speaker's paul booker paul i'm sending you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record yes uh thank you for listening this is paul booker i live about 200 yards from post facility some questions i have for the presenters today i have had my hand raised ever since the presenter presented but he apparently didn't notice it i heard on the one hand that this is not going to be a lock up but i heard on the other hand that the clients cannot leave the facility um so can you help me resolve well what's the real position there and i didn't get a chance to ask that question at the end of the presenter's presentation my hand was raised no one noticed other questions uh i heard about 24 parking spaces but i hear the clients will not have access to other cars so why are we worried about 24 parking spaces um that's all i really had for questions i'd look forward to some answers and i did want to raise my hand following the presenter no one noticed thank you mr booker and let me just kind of talk about process quickly for those of you who are not familiar with um our process uh that city meetings and public hearings um there's not an interaction between the public comments and the applicant um public comment portion is after the applicant makes their presentation then the public makes their comments and then we as a commission commission ask those questions of the applicant so we did see your hand raised but it wasn't an appropriate time uh to call on you so just wanted to pass that on um the next speaker and excuse me if i'm not pronouncing your name correctly is ching shu i sent you a prompt if you could please state your name for the record yes can you hear me yes thank you all right good evening my name is ching shui my family including my 30 year old son a resident of skyhawk i'm opposed to put such a facility at that location i would like to remind the commissioners that the original plan for under applicant was to put the 24 bed addiction recovery center on the second floor and an outpatient treatment center of up to 35 patient on the first floor now they're changing it to the inpatient only i don't know if they just change a strategy to apply them in faces like they did for the six under and uh six under first and above six i hereby request the planning commission not to prove any addiction recovery facility above six no matter it is inpatient or outpatient that building is part of the commercial center that has the purpose for serving the daily needs of skyhawk community we purchase the houses here and pay extra tax so our children can go to the good schools enjoy the playground and park close by and meet with wonderful neighbors the rehab center doesn't bring any value to the community here and we'll depreciate our property value significantly we do have evidence of that in addition the building you're looking at is supposed to provide diverse type of housing one of my colleagues used to live in one of the apartment where exactly the applicants want to put the rehab act to approve this application is to cut the availability of seven housing for the families of diverse size and incomes who could be eligible to enjoy the same as we do i request the zoning staff to recheck the general purpose of his site in the regional center also development plan though the applicant to draw a picture that their patients are close to quiet angels however we all know that addiction is mental issue let me emphasize i'm not against the addiction recovery but the location you need to consider not just the impact to the environment and the community which in this case i don't think the zoning staff that did assessment thoroughly considering the needs of the patient they should be more accessible to the families who needed closer to public services and medical services we should also consider the relapse risk in this case there's a pop right downstairs so thank you very much the next speaker is dj and if you could state your name for the record dj i sent you a prompt to unmute yourself okay um my name is dj femister my wife and i live near the skyhawk village shopping center i'm a retired police sergeant with experience supervising an narcotics unit as well as an investigations unit i'm in opposition to the proposed community care facility this proposal is actually to combine what was previously seven separate residences which will now be combined into one facility would this be allowed with seven separate houses definitely not why is it being allowed here same arguments to allow this to happen here could apply to any residential street in the city it's a rationalization that suits the wishes of the applicant and ignores the wishes of the neighborhood in an existing post i have many questions based on the physical layout i don't believe they can possibly keep track of 24 clients and ensure their safety and the safety of others without some sort of surveillance system in the hallways and outside common areas staff members can't be everywhere all the time if someone overdoses on fentanyl and dies in the facility shouldn't there be a way to backtrack and see where it came from my understanding is there's nothing physically to prevent the clients from walking out anytime they wish video monitoring and recording of common areas walkways and the smoking areas should be required it has been my experience people addicted to drugs and alcohol can be very creative in coming up with ways to obtain conceal and use them there should be some way to check back when this problem occurs the applicant states that any clients not meeting sober requirements will be removed from the facility what exactly are sober requirements will they be ejected after one failed drug test or two or ten does remove from the facility also may remove from the program or do they just stay somewhere else until they are sober and return facility should be required to track drug tests both positive and negative and the number of expulsions and disclose all of these numbers will the clients be allowed visitors how so if so how do you prevent and i'm from contraband being brought on site um will there be repercussions for clients leave their rooms without supervision thank thank you um the next speaker is rashmi shridhara rashmi i sent you um a prompt to unmute yourself and can you please state your name for the record um my name is rashmi shridhara and i live on mountain rock i'm an internal medicine physician and a mom of two young girls with this lens i hope to share my perspective with you all today there is no question that there's a need for drug and alcohol rehab given the contribution of covid-19 pandemic and the effect that it has had on the mental health of our constituents this should be a problem that we give the utmost attention i would like to applaud puravida and taking on this honorable work i do however believe that this location is not the ideal space for our treatment facility for the following three reasons one the inherent risk of aggression agitation and possible violence that is involved in the process of detox and rehab i have been treating addiction patients daily for years and i'm typically able to help them with medications and treatments however there are occasions when it is difficult to manage i have personally even had a patient throw a table at me and many patients physically assault me even in the safety of a hospital setting as someone trained to deal with the such situations it's still unnerving to say the least these experiences have left to me concerned about what could happen if such an incident were to occur near austin creek elementary school where children who have already been traumatized by recent fires are exposed it is my hope that such occurrences do not take place as it would likely lead to long-term psychological trauma for these young students two the facility is not near emergency services and lack of plan to care for rehab residents and community members and emergencies it is it appears that the nearest hospital and police department are located about four to five miles away it is understandable that medical care are maybe needed for rehab residents violent acts can also occur so close proximity to emergency services is important when choosing a location additionally being near a hospital increases the likelihood and commitment to the program three medical rehab care will be more effective in a destigmatized environment i truly believe that if a rehab center is established the community at large will avoid the facility altogether for safety concerns it is clearly shown that rehab residents do better when they don't feel judged or are taking steps to overcome their disease i believe that there will be social stigma that contributes to the worsening thank you very thank you um the next speaker is uh julia perlman julia i sent you a prompt to unmute yourself could you please state your name for the record so my name is julia perlman thank you to your weeks and uh members of the funding commission i would like first to start by saying that i received an email stating um puravita's project the post project of the city which is it does say puravita is not a methadone or sebaxan clinic and does not deliver medications for clients on site i would also like to point out that looking at their brochure for their treatment center it does say that they are um uh their medication assistant treatment and i'll substance on non naltrexone and baby troll which are i'm not a doctor but a lot of a better term or synthetic map and so on um so in regard to that when um when patients are going to be on um trying to uh detox they are going to be uh they're gonna be they're gonna have anxiety they're gonna have depression confusion they're gonna have hallucinations and giving the proximity of the school which is 400 uh feet away only and the kids constantly walking to school riding bikes to school um which will present a danger to our children we unfortunately will not be able to give our children the basic um their basic childhood experiences of going to school by themselves and experiencing being independent and experiencing going on the bike rides by themselves which on the walkway which is right on the opposite side of the treatment center for all of those reasons i would like to ask of not to not to give um not to brand a minor minor c up to pure beta for dislocation although this type of a treatment addiction center is needed just in a different location thank you thank you uh the next speaker Tracy hello my name please state your name for the record sure um hello my name is Tracy and i have been living in skyhawk since 2011 thank you for offering me the time to participate in this discussion i would like to start by stating that i'm against the granting of the permit for the use of skyhawk village as an adult rehabilitation center here are the reasons the original plan from the city council for this location was to be reserved to support residents of skyhawk by providing facilities like fitness center coffee shop and restaurant which will bring convenience and services to our community the acceptance of this application will have the opposite effect to our neighbors there will be more concerns and security risk to our community as you all know that there will be we have an elementary school daycare and a children's park in our community all of these in a close proximity to the skyhawk village any one percent of the security or safety risk will be 100 to the whole life of the kids and family also this proposed recovery center will have 24 in-house patients and will be a must-buy pass facility to enter or leave our community i strongly hope that the city will consider our opinion and deny the planning of this adult rehabilitation center because of the inconvenience or to the community safety risk and the negative impacts on our children thank you thank you the next speaker will be vincent crevalli feyferling vincent i sent you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record hey there my name is vincent feyferling i'm guessing you guys can hear me yes fantastic i was born and raised in the santa rosa area however i'm presently deployed with a national guard i've earned a number of medals including the meritorious service medal during my service i spent over three weeks in the icu when i almost fled to death i signed up to put my life on the line for this country because i want to be a part of the solution not the problem to me this issue is black and white do we want to be a part of the solution society or do we want to continue the problem that's plaguing our city plaguing our state and plaguing our country i want my city to help facilitate recovery for people or do we want to ostracize addicts to be outskirts of society my father was an addict that's why i care so much about this issue his road to recovery was not an easy one and when i was out with him he got a fair share of dirty looks but he got help and he got better thanks to caring and compassionate people i promise you this if my father did not get the help he needed he would have been a detriment to society but thanks to getting assistance he is now a valued member of it today i've heard a lot of speculation a lot of what ifs with no basis and statistical facts facts should be the guiding force in this discussion not feelings so i urge the council please let our city be the guide be the beacon of light let's be a part of the solution not the problem let's help society as a whole get better one step at a time thank you thank you and thank you for your service my pleasure um the next speaker will be marianne pony marianne i sent you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record good evening my name is marianne pony thank you for allowing me to participate in this discussion i have lived in skyhawk neighborhood for 23 years i live one block away from skyhawk village i'd like to start by saying i am opposed to the granting of four of a fifth for a permit for 24 bed facility at skyhawk village for a permanent addiction recovery service i am a retired sergeant from the san francisco sheriff's department in my line of work after 30 years i've seen so many horrific sites of young children hurt and views many are hurt during a drinking spree by an alcoholic or drug addict young children are innocent and need our protection alcoholics and children don't mix and should not be around one another yes alcoholics need a place for recovery but not an extra neighborhood built around children and skyhawk neighborhood was built around austin creek elementary school her vita states their clients will not go anywhere outside their housing unit but how can pervita say that their clinic is not a prison their clients come as volunteers into the program and can leave the program at any time there is not a counselor in their two bedroom unit with them day and night preventing them from leaving and walking around the neighborhood or going out to smoke a cigarette at two o'clock in the morning counselors are not inside these individual apartments 24 hours a day we as adults need to protect our children and putting a 24 bed facility for alcoholic and drug recovery does not meet that need in this neighborhood please vote down this proposal and protect our children and the neighborhood they live in thank you for giving me the time to speak thank you the next speaker is wei zheng shi wei zheng can i constate your name for the record hi can you hear me yes hi uh my name is wei zheng shi uh dear chair and commissioners thanks very much for giving me this chance to speak here i live on sunhawk drive skyhawk community when i hunted my house in 2017 as the other neighbor mentioned even though i was told that i had to pay extra property tax for this community due to the special bond for skyhawk enhancements but i still choose this community i love this community love its peace and safety kids can work to school alone i often go out for working after dark or go to the safe way nearby at night to grab the breakfast for the next day but this will be changed by this project if it's approved i believe you have received a lot of comments that work from experienced psychologists physicians and officers their practice said patients will frequently try to sleep away from the facility to either have a security or more alcohol and a drug the fact that the apartments proposed in this application open directed to out the door introduce more risks in accidents from an anxious stress out or depressed patient could be a could be a disaster to the neighborhood i support the project we have project but the location of the project is not a good choice our group would love to help search if city look for public proposal for the locations for example one possible alternative option stonehouse at 3 5 5 5 sonoma highway there's no park issue no label issue no school nearby it's more closer to hospital or medical clinics if they need it we believe there there are more options which fits this program better thanks you again for your timing this to my concern please consider our request to deny this application thank you thank you the next speaker is shelby moeller shelby i sent you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record sure can you finish yes my name is shelby moeller i am the school board president for rinkin valley union school district i do not represent the school district in my comments tonight i'm speaking as a 15-year resident of skyhawk and a mother of five i'm also active with project grad at the high school for the past five years as you know that's an organization that provides safe and sober activities for graduating high school seniors to ensure that their graduation night is substance free i want to express my support for individuals who've chosen to address their addiction and are on the difficult difficult road to a life free from harmful substances and i also appreciate organizations and individuals who make this their life work but this bedroom community which is built with a school at its core is not the correct location for a substance recovery center this neighborhood attracts families with young children because it was constructed around a neighborhood public school in park the applicant spoke about how he chooses to bring his children to work but the neighbors like me who previously purchased our homes are not getting to make that choice is being made for us we are still coming out of a pandemic during which our state and county instituted shutdowns that disproportionately affected our children and youth children were cut off from healthy vital services and it adversely affected academics socialization and mental health we've seen a massive uptick in destructive behaviors in our schools much of it at younger ages many children have been exposed to very mature content across years of distance learning and with unfettered access to online content i speak tonight not to challenge the merits of this practice which i don't or the legality of the permit though other public speakers have spoken to this i am just speaking against the um to question the virtue of this at this location at this time it's time for our community to actually put children first it's time for local government to protect their innocence and stop exposing them to adult problems please find another location for the substance recovery facility so they can provide this important service and we can show our kids we value their innocence and take seriously our duty protect to protect them thank you okay the um we have about 21 more speakers so um just wanted to give everybody a heads up on that um so the next speaker is greg cohe greg i sent you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record my name is greg cohe son of a recovered alcoholic small business owner in the healthcare industry and husband of a patient advocate my wife and i have lived in santa rosa for over 20 years and reside on queen and drive just 360 feet from the proposed facility and our family uses the services of the existing businesses of skyhawk village on a regular basis my main concern that is that the presentation tonight focus on a lot of out-of-date concerns from before the applicant modified his minor conditional use permit application and did not focus on any of the skyhawk united's letter outline how the proposed project violates city zoning codes such as the proposed facility violate zoning requirements of code 20-42.060 because it's 550 feet from an existing care facility sonoma development center which is within a thousand foot perimeter of the that was established to prevent the over concentration clear violation of the code no remediation the staff report only highlights the general plan policies that support this project and do not acknowledge that the location is inconsistent with general plan lul-e and ud-g-1 converting the neighborhood center to a community serving center does not service daily needs of the 500 homes and families in the skyhawk neighborhood there's no evidence that the proposed facility will service neighborhood residents and clients may come from as far away as san francisco or even out of state the applicant is also the owner of half a skyhawk village and the priority seems to focus on the request of a for-profit business owned by a non-synoma county resident over the concerns and quality of life of santa rosa residents i respectfully request that the planning commission deny the minor conditional use permit and have a permanent junction for a facility larger than six persons thank you thank you uh next speaker is tamra park tamra i just gave you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record hi um good evening thank you for your time today my name is tamra park and i and my husband have lived on marsh hawk drive here for over 14 years in the skyhawk community i absolutely believe that puravita treatment center at skyhawk village will have a negative impact on our neighborhood and community this is at the main entrance of our neighborhood surrounded by homes and a nearby elementary school many children walk and ride their bikes around our neighborhood including through skyhawk village i'm very concerned about their safety in the past decade i have lost two cousins who passed away due to addiction including one who was constantly in and out of rehab sadly i know all too well what can happen with addicts including issues such as driving while under the influence theft attracting associates of fellow addicts and drug dealers just to name a few i also know that treatment facilities are needed but not here in a neighborhood that should not deal with the fallout associated with such a facility i'm also concerned about potential um hazardous medical ways increase crime and police activity as well as a large group of people constantly gathering to smoke at the entrance of our neighborhood at all hours in conclusion i would ask please do not approve the 24 bed puravita center at skyhawk village thank you for your time thank you uh the next speaker is kathy my name is kathy ramizati and um thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak i worked for 25 years as a 911 police fire and ambulance dispatcher taking numerous calls with this type of issue of addiction and alcohol abuse i am now retired it is my understanding that skyhawk village was built contingent upon and per the general plan that the skyhawk community could be built as long as a local community center was constructed that skyhawk village the keywords here the building had to meet the daily needs of the local community puravita recovery services does not meet any of the daily needs of the local community so should not be in that business center mr woodnell has originally advised his clients will stay only 30 to correction seven to 30 days it's now up to 90 days and possibly seven months um not one of those clients that will be occupying this space will be a resident a resident is defined as a person who lives somewhere permanently on a long term basis my guess is that not one of his clients will be changing their mailing address their address on the voting rolls or changing their bank and credit card accounts to the address on mountain hawk they are transient temporary clients being treated in this business clients only that go back to their homes although i am a complete supporter of any treatment for alcohol and drug rehab i am wholeheartedly against your consideration of authorizing any permits for this facility the next step may be the expansion of outpatient clinics when the other existing businesses have vacated due to the problems from their clients your duty is to do what's best for the people of this community so now you must choose tax money or listening to the community you serve i'm requesting that the city deny the minor conditional use permit and any other permits that have to do with puravita recovery services in this location thank you for listening thank you uh the next speaker is kim cohe hi my name is kim cohe thank you for the opportunity to speak to your weeks and planning commissioners i'm a patient advocate in the healthcare industry i've lived in santa rosa for 20 years and i'm queen and drive since 2018 after leaving our house after losing our house in fountain grove my brother and father in law have both been through rehab services in the past we clearly understand the needs for and the importance of these services provided this location though is not appropriate for the following reasons it's too close to another community care facility in the same neighborhood even though it's across highway 12 clients in detox can have agitation anxiety confusion or hallucinations of withdrawal a second story location with a corridor balcony and outdoor stairs is unsafe due to increased risk for fault having only three to eight employees monitor the activities of 24 clients in six separate apartments during outdoor exercise free time and smoking in a space that is 25 feet from the building as well as prepare all their meals manage detox symptoms connect counseling sessions seems drastically inadequate for appropriate care there's no mention of mitigation to access the multiple staircases to the second story apartments or medications for the small outdoor space that is shared with the bar and a wooden park behind the facility in a higher-faceted higher danger zone with absolutely no fences anywhere we feel that the 24 bed facility as well as potential for future outpatient clinic will have a significantly negative effect on the future use of the skyhawk village by neighbors in skyhawk redtail and the leader the lack of appropriate facilities at this location constitute cause for the denial of minor conditional use from it thank you for your time and for denying this application thank you um the next speaker will be baby soon oh apologies chair weeks i unmuted the wrong person that's okay no problem uh richard gallup um i just gave you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record richard i sent you a prompt to unmute yourself let's go to the next speaker then we can come back to him he may need to update his zoom settings baby soon i just sent you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record yes this is baby son can you hear me yes and dear commission chair and commissioners thank you for giving me this time to participate in this discussion my name is a baby son my family live on great heron drive since 2012 out of the love of our neighborhood and the city we live in i'd like to say that i'm opposed to granting a permit to use skyhawk village as an adultery have a station center here are some reasons first realizing that there will be patients under influence appearing in the neighborhood i will no longer have the sense of security for my children to play outside in the neighborhood the facility when he or she is stressed out of confinement in the center and especially under the influence of drug or alcohol we're seeking for drug or alcohol from outside that is very dangerous to the neighborhood and our children there are numerous crime reports and news of rehab centers near near resident neighborhood the applicant's declaration that there is no criminal concern is not true second economically skyhawk village businesses will probably be chased out due to safety traffic and parking concerns this will cause loss of employment and tax generation many of the residents who work remotely may have to sadly move out of this area causing loss of economic prosperity and high quality of education it will be a chain reaction to the loss of economy economic development in the area and even to the city there are over 500 households in the vicinity of the neighborhood the applicant's declaration that this is a low density residential area is not true third i've also concerns about parking and traffic even though the applicant declared that there are only six inpatient clients the plan shows 24 beds this is self contradictory the rehab staff experts volunteers and other non full-time personnel will not transport within the two vans the applicant declared to accommodate the transportation the new rehab center will cause insufficient parking spaces shared among the current users thank you very much um the next speaker will be cady moncada chair weeks um before i um call on uh cady i just wanted to let you know that i had a request from our interpreter in the chinese channel um requesting a break so after we get through cady um could we think about taking a break sometime soon sure um after cady will do another five minute break would that work for them thank you yes that's great thanks um okay cady i'm gonna send you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record my good to go yes okay thanks um i just want to start off by saying that i am in favor of the paravita project um i will say that uh a little over seven years ago i found myself in a position in my life where i needed some help with a drinking problem and um i had to go out of the county to find a facility um for inpatient treatment after i left i um went to paravita's sober living environment services that they have and i will admit that i was a little reluctant and um i i i didn't really want to go um but i learned that that was because of my um ignorance and my prejudices that i had at what i thought drug addicts and alcoholics look like um what i've learned is that paravita is um a great company and i truly believe that they save lives i truly believe that the drug and alcohol epidemic that we have is killing more people than is necessary and we are in dire need in this county for a facility like this um i've heard a lot of people speak negatively about the impacts and i will just say as an active member in recovery and um seeing what paravita has done for our community that's exact opposite paravita saves lives and i don't believe that i would be here today if it weren't for the services that they provide so um thank you for your time thank you very much so with that we'll go ahead and take a five minute break which would put us back about 708 i believe thank you are we good to go we're waiting on commissioner holton okay okay um so can you um do the roll call let the record reflect that all commissioners are present with the exception of commissioner dug in and commissioner okraki thank you um and i would like just to remind folks that um if uh somebody else has already made the comment that you were going to make if you could just say you agree with that comment um instead of repeating the same comment so uh our next speaker is amanda medford hi can you hear me yes we can excellent thank you again my name is amanda medford i don't claim to be an expert but i do have close to um very close experience with um both sonoma county and out of county residential rehab facilities um over the last 12 or so years including both extensive volunteer and professional experience i'm also a homeowner in skyhawk with young children and i believe that the puravita project is not compatible with our neighborhood i appreciate hearing from the owner tonight unfortunately the existing distrust and lack of transparency between the owners one of the owners and the neighborhood is starting off their relationship on a bad foot and will ensure a nightmare for city officials should they continue to move forward with this project as exemplified by his behavior now it will absolutely not be good neighbors we're willing to work with the neighborhood to resolve issues that might arise in my experience the activity level and culture of our neighborhood will dramatically change one established over 20 years ago when most of these homes were built the activity that many of the people coming and going and the frequency that will change the tempo and activity level of our quiet neighborhood um in my experience residents and outpatients will take walks in the neighborhood go on outings in the neighborhood do court ordered and non court ordered visits with their families um likely at our park the sheer number of residents um turning over and if they're successful they'll be replaced but though the owner was unwilling to discuss success rates to my knowledge it's less than 50 percent um when they do fail the program where do they go how are they trans how are they transported in my experience they leave at all times the day usually very upset and in a rush chances are they'll be in a poor state of mind and headed right into our neighborhood with 24 beds and less than 50 success rate that's a lot of people leaving the program monthly I also agree with the issue with the existing facility already in our neighborhood thank you the next speaker is Anastacio Anastacio I sent you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record Anastacio I can see that you're unmuted but I can't hear you there you are lo siento Anastacio Anastacio uh no tenemos una persona se habla español so han tomado han tomado tres um quebradas para traducir y miro que no tienen una persona que están que habla español so mi comentario es porque están y tienen un comentario público y no tienen traducción en español si es correcto no tenemos una persona que habla español so my comment is we've been on the meeting for over an hour and a half we've taken three breaks for translation and there's no translation in spanish if we're having a public forum we need to be equitable to the spainx community especially that the topic that is very important to sky have community that there are spanish speaking families here and this is not being translated thank you thank you um the next speaker would be jinhui yang yang jinhui i just sent you a prompt okay my name is jinhui yang can you hear me yes yes okay uh dear chair and the commissioners thanks for the opportunity for me to speak up in the meeting my name is jinhui yang i have lived in skyhawk since 2016 when my old child started kindergarten i want to speak against the proposal of using skyhawk village as a drug rehab center add to my fellow neighbors analysis i want to share about my personal experience i still remember that the first time i look at the house for sale in skyhawk neighborhood in 2016 after looking at the house my agent took me to sit down at rick's restaurant to continue the discussion i felt so grateful and cheerful at that time because this neighborhood has such a convenient shopping center within working distance this gave me a great neighborhood feeling with skyhawk village as a front gate of skyhawk neighborhood we had a good conversation that day and i finally decided to make an offer to my first home yes i wanted to buy a house in skyhawk neighborhood because i want my child to go to austin greek elementary school in the meantime the convenience of small shopping village together with the attorney entrance make me feel beyond every day i get back home i'm currently working for fully remote but i still choose to stay in this great neighborhood if this 24 rehab center will be sit in the skyhawk village i would not feel secure to go to the rick's restaurant to walk to the fitness center i will feel very insecure to have my kids walk to from school and hang out with friends by themselves automatically i look i lost my um cherish the home feeling i strongly hope that the city planning will consider the feeling of our neighborhood residents and deny the planning for this adult rehab center in skyhawk village i do support the project but not in this center in this location thank you thank you the next speaker is jenny lawson hi can you hear me yes we can thank you i am a neighbor in uh the south on the south side of highway 12 and i listened to mr wicknell's presentation and noticed that their company has only been in business for fewer than six years and their existing operations have only six residents per location so if we were to expand to 24 patients that would be a four-fold expansion of anything that they have to date had any responsibility for i feel that this is an experiment on our neighborhood that is not warranted and could be dangerous also mr wicknell indicated that the average patient will stay three to 14 days so that would give us a transient population that would be constantly changing in addition he said that those people would be bust to a west side location daily from 10 a.m to 6 p.m so why the east side location for them to be residents would it not make more sense for them to be housed closer to the west side location where they are going for treatment during the day i feel that this is not an appropriate location it's an experiment on our neighborhood it's way too large a transient population and i agree with all the previous commentators about the potential dangers from the law enforcement population that we've heard from and i request that the minor use conditional permit be denied thank you thank you um i did want to mention uh in response to the uh comment about uh translation that um translation needs to be requested in advance so we can have um and interpret interpreters on site uh to do that uh which was done with uh the request for the mandarin interpretation so i just wanted to let the public know that um the next speaker is anastasia maziars and i am totally apologized for my pronunciation thank you no problem um hello my name is dr anastasia maziash i'm a family medicine doctor i have been practicing for over 10 years can everybody hear me just wanted to check yes okay um i have been treating patients with substance abuse and drug dependence and obviously those are not um it's a terrible condition to have and i totally understand the need to have treatment for those patients however i do not feel like our skyhack neighborhood is the right place for them a lot of times patients with um dependence issues have other mental issues and most likely they need more treatment than the puravira can give them at this location can be able to provide detox can be very dangerous to the patient going through the through it there's lots of mental status changes there's risks of um violence hallucinations wandering to the community we have lots of small children in this area also smoking outside the facility creates a high risk of fire and as we know there's a well-known restaurant loved by lots of skyhack families and the kids being so close exposed to the smoking situations and different chances people coming in and out it's not so it's a negative thing there is no outside space for the um patients there's no area to exercise and obviously i mean the initial purpose of that skyhack village was to benefit families of skyhack benefit the children and have more like a organization type of um type of um place for the whole skyhack community so i would not i don't know anything else ask not to accept the application thank you thank you the next speaker will be jeremy pierce jeremy hi thank you thank you very much for taking my phone call i'd like to say thank you for putting on this public forum i agree with a lot of the the folks that have spoke in um to deny this application um they all have said some great stuff and i agree with most of them i'm going to talk a little bit with about common sense and uh we can talk about statistics we can talk about what's going on we can talk about people's interpretations of things but but let's talk about common sense you're putting a care facility next to an elementary school down below or up above excuse me a bar across the street from another facility all of those make no sense okay the folks of uh of skyhack have endured a lot of this and and we fully support um people with these type of addiction problems that being said you can only ask a community to do so much we have the queen and facility you also have the facility that's being put in just down the street which is a low income housing facility and all of these go against what we're trying to accomplish here in this neighborhood which is to to provide a community uh surrounded by school i moved here 10 years ago to provide to provide a school system for my kids i moved from across the neighborhood across the um the city to this community because this community was surrounded and started by the school system here not by a drug rehab facility i didn't move here because wow there's a great drug rehab facility i did move here because there's a great school system that's why all of these people in this skyhack community have moved or live here is because they support this school system this goes against that 100 my question to the commission and as well as to the county supervisors as well as the city supervisors are you going to read are you going to support the two um can you finish up please your time is up yeah are you going to support the restaurant are you going to support the workout facility are you going to support those businesses there they're going to lose businesses thank thank you thank you that's my question okay the next speaker will be koon lee koon lee i gave you permissions to speak if you can accept my prompt and please state your name for the record uh tianji好的时候我自己经常步行去 spring lake park 经常看到出入健身中心的人员他们形象健康阳光 让人感觉非常愉快 不难想象一旦在这里设立了康复中心 再路过此地时就会有完全相反的感受 我们并没有歧视康复人员的想法 但对这种对但这种对比物融质疑地会产生心理上的巨大落差 令人感觉很沮丧 将心比心我认为其他居民或者未来的居民也都会有类似的感觉 一旦屁股这个康复中心就会将本社区之外的人员引入 并改变大家现有的居住环境 而这种环境也势必会极大的降低本社区的整体品质和发展 同时也会降低每个居民房屋的价值 这对于现有居民的利益将是很大的损害 也是非常不公平的 谢谢大家 Thank you I moved here 13 years ago to Skyhawk and my children graduate from Austin Creek Elementary School I feel this is not only impacting on the children but also has a huge impact on the adults In my mind on a good day I would go to the screen lake take a walk Usually I feel very pleasant looking at the sky and the nice environment I see all these healthy people traveling along the way and if we have this detox center come here then I feel it would impact my environment and we would feel very frustrated by this and we also have outside population moving into this neighborhood and also would have a huge impact on the environment and the residents here so it will also impact has negative impact on the development and of economic development of this area and depreciate our electricity value quality value Thank you very much Hello Yes thank you Okay the next speaker will be Julie Lynn Julie I gave you a prompt to unmute yourself Can you please state your name for the record This is Julie Lynn Okay let me start So my name is Julie Lynn Dear Commissioner and the chairs Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to speak to you tonight So this is my first public hearing From today's two cases You can see there's so much difference The first one only have one comments But the second one you can see how many people want to speak up And also so many people have been speaking before I totally agree most of them So I'm speaking here against the proposals we have center in Skyhawk Village And I heard two people favor on this project But those two people not live in Skyhawk So you can see even though the owner Stay to say this project will not impact the neighborhood You can see how much people will speak up Just like us Normally very silent people But we wanted to speak our voice to commission So I wanted to point out another thing The owner say will not have a negative impact to the house value But according to the California Health and Safety Code 16 11834.22 When we sell our house We have to disclosure this information to the buyer Because the code required If you have a nearby rehab center Has more than six reasons we need to disclosure this information Or those pointed to it means They will impact our house value And will impact our neighborhood So I just strongly ask commission to reject this application Thank you very much Thank you The next speaker is Yu Yang Yu Hi, can you get me? Yes, we can My name is Yu Yang Thanks for giving me the chance to speak today I am a registered veterinarian technician I have lived here for over two years and not this peaceful community I have a few concerns about the plan of this rehab center The first is medical concern According to the project description The client will be monitored closely And the vital and bad will be checked regularly My concern is how to monitor detoxification And waist drop symptoms up to every 15 minutes For up to 24 clients with limited staff Especially in the night With the clients displayed among multiple individual departments My second concern is supervisory concern The individual department is concerning As to how medical staff will monitor For six separate departments' entrances As well as concurrently escorting clients To a smoking area When the location of the entrance When the location of the office Is not in direct view of the apartment entrances Moreover, the project description mentions Whenever these beneficial clients are expected To move around and engage with other clients The staff, as part of their recovery Individual apartments are prohibitive Envisionist goal If the client wants to go to the neighborhood How would the rehab center stop it And ensure the safety of the neighborhood Especially after the client has been removed From their recovery In conclusion, I agree with David Chen Amanda and my neighbors Who against the Purevita project This project is not compatible with our community Thank you for your time Thank you The next speaker is Jack Chen Thank you Hello, my name is Jack Chen You're Hemi? Yes, we can Okay, so again, hello everyone My name is Jack Chen We have been living in Skyhawk For more than 12 years I agree with all the comments From your previous speakers Were against this facility And for the speakers who support this facility I don't disagree with them But I'm strongly against this specific facility Because it's too close to the elementary schools Although the applicant claimed that The patient would be supervised at all time But this site is wide open Without fences and locked gates So it won't be difficult for the patient To get all and get access to drugs I'm not saying those patients are bad people But their behavior could go out of control And already influenced from drugs So this is a big security concern for the kids Who walk to and from school Or play on the street In the neighborhood I have a daughter If this rehab center is approved I will have no choice But to tell my daughter To not walk or play outside by herself Or beside the kids without a dog I do go to And will also stop going to this coffee shop And restaurant I'm sure there will be a lot of other people Doing the same thing Which will eventually drive Some or all of those small businesses In Skyonk Village All the business And this applicant himself Just sat the bar next to Their other facility in the center And also went out of business Probably for the same reason And I actually went to the city hall I was told By one of the city planners Face to face That if some patient Get out of the facility And harass or saw the local resident It'll be just a police issue And the rehab center Will have nothing to do with this Thank you very much So the next speaker is Lane Jackson Hi, my name is Lane Jackson Thank you first and foremost For giving so much time Especially late into the evening To let us speak You know, as Mr. Wignall Did a good job of spinning a positive thread But I feel we've been driven down Somewhat of a one-way street As we are and have been This entire time lacking full transparency Of course, you can't sell it With a pitch on your failures But in this case, they seriously matter I'm concerned as all of our neighbors are With safety, property values And everything else I agree with them I'll approach this a little differently First, I want to say that I have zero stigma On people in rehab Drug addicts, alcohol addicts Criminals for that fact I'm going to open the book a little bit On myself for you and all of our neighbors Although now I own two local small businesses With my wife As a young man, I made some bad choices And I became a statistic I swore I'd never become I was a re-offender Not everybody knows But 85% of offenders re-offend That absolutely killed me And I worked very, very hard To get back out of that And I have complete and total empathy For everyone fighting addictions And digging themselves out of the hole Of criminal prosecution As I know how undeniably hard that can be But knowing that there is not a positive success rate Lack of securities And the fact that there will be court-ordered Nonviolent clients in this facility Many of whom will re-offend and or relapse That's a statistic I don't feel comfortable with At the entrance to our neighborhood So I vehemently suggest and request That the committee deny the minor conditions use permit Thank you very much Thank you The next speaker will be Richard Golub Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can, thank you For hanging in with us Yeah, we got a ways to go Thank you for taking the time My name is Richard Golub I'm a certified registered nurse and S.T.I.S. over at Kaiser I am not speaking on Kaiser's behalf But these are my own opinions I have a couple of coins that I'm going to try and Squeeze these in as quickly as we can I know this has already been stated But I want to reiterate it We're going to suffer from a critical shortage Of low-income housing This is true throughout California But also especially throughout our neighborhood Removing apartments from circulation In order to place a clearly controversial With drug rehab center is nonsensical in my opinion I know we spoke to this a tiny bit earlier as well But on what planet is it a good idea To place an alcohol detox and rehab above a full bar The idea that we simply these owners Simply cannot find another facility Not adjacent to a bar defies logic And is simply assening I have talked to two of the businesses below this And both are significantly concerned Both the gym as well as Ricky's I'm not sure how familiar you are With this facility or this location But it's gone through a variety of businesses Before we finally settled on a successful business Ricky's The traffic smoking and loitering That is ademic to these centers Is simply inappropriate The glossy pamphlets that they release And the sort of rosy The rosy picture that they paint Is simply not true If you want any further proof You can think about what happened To Jerry Garcia who managed to overdose Inside a further locked facility And died I mean the idea that these are safe And insolent from the community Is simply absolutely untrue I would invite you and beg you To reconsider this permit and deny it Thank you Thank you The next speaker is Daniel Yan I'm Daniel Yan I'm here for a job in Chinese education I objected to a 20-year-old drug addiction center Set in Skye Hall and YRG The reason is as follows First, those who need to detoxify May be excited and violent Get out of there A few days ago, a patient Stacked into Skye Hall and a family The female owner ran to the roof To ask for help And my two children Are studying nearby And they also return to the nearby park to play This is very worried about their safety Second, in Skye Hall There are more than 100 Chinese people The church I'm in There are some good friends All in this area They all expressed to me About this project Caused unsafe factors And serious worries I hope They have a safe and comfortable Staying in the environment This is very helpful to them The faith in the documentary Is very helpful Third I will report to those who need to detoxify Those who need to detoxify At the same time, I hope the government Can find a more suitable place To help them I hope when you make the decision You can consider my opinion Thank you Thank you Okay This is David Yan I work for the church I'm against this 20-bed Facility for the following reason Because I suspect Many of those addicts Would have aggressive or violent tendency Not only recently there was They took over these houses And the female occupant Had to call 911 And the skyline community Has over 100 Chinese Americans So they complain At the church I work for That they worry they have safety concerns So I feel like having a safe environment Would help with our church community So this is the reason why I'm against This detox facility Thank you Thank you The next speaker is Yin Zheng Erzhen Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can Great So thank you all and the commissioner And the staff for providing the opportunity To have our voice heard tonight And thank you all to stay late I'd like to ask the commissioners To deny this application I'm a physician I have a 12-year-old Daughter and I lived in Skyhawk for five years I'm as a physician I'm in full support of building Drug rehab to help people to get onto their feet But I'm opposed to this location And I'd like to echo all the concerns Of my Skyhawk fellow residents Especially I'm worried Pura Rida Is going to expand their all-patient service Once they get a footage in Skyhawk Village Because this is what they intended to do In the very beginning And later they withdraw for some reason This facility serves no help No purpose, no benefits to our community But compromises our safety and peace I'd like to respectfully ask our commissioners Not to approve this proposed project Thank you all Thank you The next speaker is Sam Chen Sam, I sent you a prompt to unmute yourself Hi, I'm Chinese Can you hear me? I can hear you Okay I'm Sam Chen I live near Skyhawk I work at Whitefish School I work as a nurse I'd like to give you an example Building a free center is right No matter what I'll help those who need free resources But I'm very opposed I can't put this educational center In such a place This brings a lot of inconvenience to our lives Add to our fear And the big-scale hospital Is also relatively far away from the city center If the city center is in the middle of our community It will be in our residential area And all of our schools are together Out of the city And Whitefish And The other one is very close to the city center All of them are right next to the city center Our lives are focused on learning And the kids go to class We go to work But the people who are in the street Will run out Or when they want to enter the street It will be difficult for them to imagine things Because after they die They don't have drugs or treatment They can't control their body And their thoughts They will fall Don't know what will happen It will affect the children in our community When the children go to school It will create a very, very Very difficult for them to imagine things So we don't want to see such a tragedy So I'm against the project Thank you Thank you Thank you Okay, so this is En-Chan I work at Waikid's school I am I do support the Establishing Institution for Detox But I feel that this is the wrong location And with this kind of detox center In our neighborhood It will cause terror to our life And it's very far from large scale hospital So it's in a residential area So I feel there are lots of schools There are actually three schools Austin and Waikid And there's another Renusent nearby the Safeway So during our When we go to work and get out from work If we have these people Who are under the influence Then they cannot control their behavior So they will suddenly jump out And it will cause They cannot control their physical action They will have the shaky and the tremor suddenly And also when our children go to school And they travel on the road They might Because these people cause accidents So I don't That's why I feel this is not the right choice Thank you Thank you The next speaker will be Dave Williamson Yes, okay You can hear me now, is that right? Yes, we can Great, thank you My name's Dave Williamson And I'm a homeowner of this This I've been here for 21 years We moved here specifically For the purpose of coming to Austin Creek Because it was rated as the highest Scholastically rated school In Sonoma County And Sonoma County is the highest rated county At that time in the state of California So, but I want to let you know My perspective comes specifically From my experience of dealing with people With drug, alcohol, and opiate addiction I've been helping them initially With my sons, friends And then now it's expanded to other people And I have experienced every kind of Situation dealing hands-on Caring for these people as I do As my whole family has We've done everything We've provided food, shelter Every kind of amenity you can imagine For these people And I want you to know that I am thankful For pure evaida For what they do For the, I call it a ministry For what they're doing But at the same time That the last place we need to have this Is here in front of a residential Situation I want to provide a way of looking at things I'm going to be If I'm driving down the road And I take a look to my left Before Kalistoga Road I see 99 low-income houses That'll be going up And that's going to drive Much more drug abuse to our neighborhood We come to the intersection of Mountain Hawk And in Highway 12 We look to my right And I see the house The roof of a drug treatment center Already puts this off the table And it's illegal for that to happen For them to be there This should be done and over with Okay, then I look to the left And I see these people having Mr. Williamson, your time is up Yeah, there's so much more Thank you The next speaker is J.S. If you could please state your name for the record J.S., I sent you a prompt to unmute yourself Can you accept my prompt? Let's go to the next speaker Who has a name of Zoom user If you could please state your name for the record Can you hear me? Yes, can you please state your name? Hello? Yes, can you state your name? Hello? Hello, we can hear you Can you please state your name? I am Christine Muscatel Do you hear me? Yes, we do Okay, I have lived in Skyhawk for 20 plus I have raised three children in this community Who attended local schools Including Austin Creek And I agree with the previous comment about queen and care facility We already have a nearby facility Skyhawk Village was supposed to serve the community about 17 years ago Me and my three kids attended an Easter egg hunt On the lawn where this facility is supposed to exist The neighborhood met together with our young children You know, on the lawn outside where this rehab facility is proposed to exist And we met together with our children and searched for Easter eggs on the lawn With, you know, the children all had their Easter egg baskets And it was a lovely family event with the community or neighborhood That was the proposed purpose of the Skyhawk Village And I just want to please support the existing plan service of the Skyhawk Village and keep the original intended use And deny this 20 bed facility Rehab center This is a very child centered neighborhood And I thank you for your time Thank you The next speaker is Chun Lan Quen Shen My name is Chun Lan Qin My husband and our two young daughters have been living in Skyhawk since 2019 Thank you for giving me this chance to speak To express my concern and the question for this application So I have been studying the latest staff report and have the following three questions The first question is about the purpose of community care and health facility According to 20-42.060 The provision of this community care and health I intended to facilitate the integration of handicapped persons into community life When talking about integration, the first question is to answer is What kind of community life to integrate and with whom to integrate with Then the next step is to coordinate with the local community I can't find any E-tailed plan from Pura Vida we have sent on how they will achieve this goal And all I find is how they will supervise their clients Check and test every 15 minutes Something like that Then the clients will live in around one or two weeks My second question is about the general plan go and policy LUL-F To maintain a diversity of neighborhood Diversity means difference but also connection Based on the information provided by Pura Vida and based on our labor's voices This will have some wielding isolated island in Skyhawk community But physically located in the center of this neighborhood So it fills with the general plan go My last question is about the validation of whether this application meets the zoning code Neighborhood commercial zoning is used to provide day-to-day needs of local neighborhoods Before we know the day-to-day needs of local neighbors We cannot see whether it complies with the code or not And I want to thank you. Your time is up. Thank you The next speaker is Kate Jehu And just a reminder before you start the timer If you agree with somebody who's already spoken if you could just mention that Um Instead of repeating The same comments that would be great. Thank you. Hi. Hi. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Lovely. Thank you. My name is Kate Jehu I'm a resident of Sonoma County a person in recovery and the program director of Pura Vida recovery services I pride myself on the work that I do and that I get to go to work each day and make a difference I think it goes without saying that I'm in favor of this permit being granted Excuse me. I'm a little bit nervous I want to share that is my responsibility to review each and every prescreen that I receive For a potential client with a fine-tooth comb and I'm well aware of what our scope of practice is While we do serve people who have common co-occurring mental health issues such as depression and anxiety We do not accept clients with any severe mental health disorders or that are presenting with any complex symptoms Nor those with histories of violent behavior that would compromise the safety of our clients My staff or our neighbors while these populations are very deserving of treatment They're just not the specific population that we serve The scarcity of treatment services available has contributed to the extreme uptick and addiction related problems in our community Impacting all people regardless of socioeconomic status With this service being made available locally people who live in Sonoma County would not be forced to travel far distances from their families Or to remote locations to receive the treatment they need Lastly, I previously worked as a counselor and then as the assistant clinical director at Duffy's Napa Valley in Calistoga Which is located directly in the middle of a beautiful and peaceful residential neighborhood In the several years I worked spent serving at Duffy's We received we received zero complaints from our neighbors Our clients were there to receive treatment and their objective is to get better not to bother the neighbors Were it not for facilities such as this I might not have ever gotten the opportunity To get the help I need and found myself in the position to work for such a wonderful company and to make a difference each day Thank you so much for your time Thank you very much The next speaker is Zongzhu Wang Hello Yes, hello, we can hear you. Hi everyone. My name is Zonghui Wang living on Sun Hawk Drive I opposed to the rehab center skyhawk village. I do believe it's not appropriate to put rehab center in a residential community because of the following three points Number one safety and security concerns a rehab center located in a residential area Will pose safety and security risks to members of the skyhawk community The presence of a rehab center may increase traffic And pedestrian congestions, which could lead to accidents or other incidents Additionally, the presence of a rehab center may attract individuals who are struggling with addiction Especially one without being properly supervised or accompanied by caretakers This potentially leading to an increase in crime and other public safety concerns Second point impact on property values A rehab center locating a residential area may have a negative impact on property values This is because the presence of a rehab center may be seen as a potential risk Or inconvenience to potential buyers or renters who may be less likely to purchase random homes in this area This could lead to a decline in property values Which could have negative economic consequences to the local community and the city of censorosa Point three disruption of the local community a rehab center located in a residential area May cause disruption to the local community. For example, the presence of rehab center may Also lead to increased noise traffic and other forms of pollution Which could make it difficult for residents to enjoy their homes and neighborhoods Additionally, the presence of a rehab center because conflicts between patients and members of the local community Which could could lead to tensions and decline community spirits Overall, this decision to operate a rehab center in the residential community should be based on careful careful assessments of the potential risks And benefits to the local community from all points stated above The presence of a rehab center could only be detrimental to the community. So I will know Please thank you. Your time is up If okay, the next speaker is j s And if you could please state your name for the record Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can Okay, my name is uh, john shanahan and I've lived in the Community for 27 years. We've been paying taxes here in skyhawk including the 25-year bond for all the roads We've raised our three children here. They all attended austin creek And we now have our uh, two-year-old grandson with us. He's with us five days a month So, uh, I just I am not against rehabilitation for people that have addiction I just think that um, I am going to say it's not in my backyard because this is a residential community And I just don't think it's the right place for this there isn't as Other people have mentioned there's Nowhere for any of the people that are receiving treatment To go for any other activities other than walking through our neighborhood And we've got a lot of children walking around It's just not the right place. So I just wanted to state my opinion and I appreciate the time. Thank you Thank you very much um The next speaker is yon ju wen Yes, can you guys hear me? Yes, we can. Okay, so i'm going to spend mandarin. So it's better for me to spend mandarin Uh, so I'm Yeah, I'm When you know what to do I do that, uh, what's going on? I've been here for four years And then I have two kids, one's 12 years old and one's 10 years old. They all go to Austin Creek So I'm against this This rehab center in skyhawk village. There's only two reasons. The first one is for the safety of the kids. Everyone has said that Uh, I Every day every weekend, my kids will ride a bike in our neighborhood We're going to walk around the town for about 30 minutes or 40 minutes But if this rehab center is here, I'm not going to let it go on its own This is a big concern I don't know if he's going to let us drive Under under drop or other influence It's very unsafe. I don't know if there's going to be some people who don't run out normally Uh, to go to the children's social. So this is a big one Uh, uh So Okay, uh, this is uh, uh, one year So I've been I've been living in the skyhawk community for uh, four years My children, uh One 12 years old and the other one 10 years old both went off in quick and uh so Basically the concern is the safety. I mean my my children go to bicycling every Thursday for 40 minutes And we don't have to worry about anything The uh detox facility coming here Then we wouldn't have people Uh who behave maybe abnormally Or anti with antisocial behavior And similarly come out It's into our community and regardless of the claim by uh people who are operating this facility or any other claim With the incoming of this facility would Basically depreciate our property value very much. So that's why I'm I'm strongly against The for the student commissioners to approve this Facility, thank you Um, the next speaker is janice simula Hi I'm uh, um, I actually operate a Drug and Alcohol Treatment Center And we're located in the state of washington, but um We're we're an hour out of the downtown area Spokane And I just wanted to To alert you guys that you know no matter how You watch these people They are they can be very very Um Hard to keep track of and We've had um The neighbors come against us even though we're in a more rural section our Our plots are 10 acres and 12 acres 20 but um So they're a little further away, but uh Nevertheless, uh The um just having people in the area and and you know we We had actually had to relocate um to a different facility that is even more rural because of the agitation of the neighbors may even went as far as getting a petition together and um Then what was satisfactory for them Was that we didn't have our first phase just coming off the streets just coming off of drugs um people that Would be at our first phase facility and um You know, we've just still even though we have people that have been um In treatment for a while at our our main facility We still have the police and the emergency services coming. Thank you Yes, thank you um The next speaker will be Dante hall Hello, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Hey, I'm sorry. My name is actually brian. All I had to have my son help me out for a minute No problem So I like to say thank you for the opportunity to speak I like to say that I particularly feel for this applicant and choose in this location Um, I've lived here in skyhawk for over 20 years. We've moved here specifically Uh for the school system, which I have utilized for both of my sons Um, they now both use a skyhawk center immensely Uh for the anytime fitness center um My concern is how would they react to someone relapsing suffering From a specific problem Um, you just never know with kids these days Um, there's lots and lots, you know, it's you got to be 14 And older to be able to uh at the younger individual to work out at the center Uh, a lot of these kids, you know, sometimes quick mouth quick whips And you just never know, um You just never know what could happen The other thing that's that's pretty concerning is is the traffic Uh, when rickies and callings coffee shop when they're in motion It can get very very busy down there get very hectic Has the city ever taken into account? The actual account for how many seats Are in both of these businesses I know that for every three seats there needs to be one parking space And at times again, you you can go in there when anytime's in motion All the businesses are in motion. Uh, there's never any parking on highway 12 Um, so again in closing, uh, this is just not the correct location Period as you can hear From its true skyhawk residents and I thank you all for your time Uh, and I know this has been a very lengthy, uh Problem and in a meeting for you guys. So thank you Thank you, mr. Ho The next speaker is hung shin Hello, can I hear me yet? Yes, we can Okay, thank you. Uh, I like to speak by mandarin. Thank you very much. Okay Uh, what does that? So guy hug a villager Uh, we're man, uh, Gung Gung my love fun to what's on freemont Band up here. You're in jerry gung安全 gung and jing And ho when you are that all team quick上學所以早上起來的時候 uh 8.20左右上學然後10月28號我早上從那上學的時候然後遇到了車禍然後車已經報廢了我們也受傷了所以直到現在我每次路過那個路口的時候還是很害怕所以, uh,如果見這個戒毒中心的話嗯,所以我很擔心有病人有醫生還有所以我擔心這個交通會更加的不好所以我希望大家可以考慮我的想法謝謝大家 Okay, um So this is a handsome uh, so we live right across from skyhawk village and we moved from last year uh, and just for the just because of the neighborhood and then my my daughter go to school at 8 o'clock 8.20 in the morning and December we had an accident we were injured uh by car so, so I worry that if we have this uh, detox center then we're gonna have more patient and we're gonna have more physician and the patient is family member so the is gonna be pretty bad so that's why I'm against this proposal so thank you very much Thank you Okay, um, I believe this will be our last speaker um, and it's Lori well, actually no more speakers are there Okay, one more speaker hand keeps coming up and down so if you want to speak please raise your hand now because we are getting close to the end of this public hearing so this last speaker or second to the last speaker now is Tracy uh, C-U-I-Q Tracy Trey Yes, hello Yeah, my name is Tracy Trey Can you hear me? Yes, we can Yeah, I prefer speaking Mandarin Okay um um um um um uh um um um um um um um um My daughter is very surprised by this project. She mentioned that there is no member nearby. Why did she want to set up a community center here? She also mentioned that her two-year-old sister is also going to Austin Creek Elementary School. She said that when strangers enter and exit the community center, she is very worried about her sister's safety. At the same time, she also mentioned that if in this place such a good community is going to set up a medical institution, why is it not helping children or elderly people? This makes sense. I believe that all of our families are very opposed to the health center and the education center being built in such a place. It is not suitable for our entire community and our children and their classmates' families. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, this is Tracy. Okay, I'm against this proposal for the following two reasons. This is actually my second home in the Skyhawk community. Our first home was burned down during the 2005 year. They came over at 11 o'clock to make us leave our house, and at 12 o'clock, the house was already out of fire. Plus, this detox center is right at the key cross-section, so I'm worried if next time there's going to be a fire, it might cause problems for our withdrawal from leaving this place. We might have the same difficulty. Number two is when our daughter was hearing that the detox center here, she was shocked because there's no hospital nearby. And her younger sister, two years old, younger sister is going to go to Austin Creek Elementary School. So the main concern is safety. So we're worried there might be a stranger in the neighborhood. And if we have to set up a healthcare facility over here, why not set up a healthcare facility for elderly or children? I just don't think this is a good neighborhood to set up a detox center. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is Bill. If you could state your full name for the record. Yeah, this is Bill Berthium. And I've been a resident of Skyhawk since 1999. I don't need to get into a big elaborate discussion about this. I'm just totally against it. For all the reasons that people have mentioned, safety, traffic and property values. So I'm definitely dead against it. That's it. Thank you. Next speaker is Nancy. Nancy, I gave you permissions to speak. I see that you're unmuted. Can you please try speaking into your microphone? If it's not working for you, you might need to update your zoom. You can also call in and the phone number. Can you hear me now? Yes, we can. Okay. My name is Nancy and my family lived in the outfield avenue for more than 17 years. So we asked the committee to deny the permit. People already expressed all the concerns I just want to add a couple more. One, everything has pros and the cons. All we heard so far from the city and the owner account are pros. And we also, we were also told that there's no safety concern per police department's report. What is it based on? The public has the right to know the cons and from authority. Nobody disclosed the cons or failed cases to us. The second one is the owner's presentation described a perfect word. If everything goes well as planned and as planned and thought. As far as I know, this is the first time the owner manages a facility of 24 beds. City should really listen to our concerns instead of assumptions to put so many families in test. The third one, the facility is changed from six beds to 24 beds. We have reasons to think that in the future, once the permit is approved, the size can be expanded again. And that's just a strategy. So the village is really to support Skyhawk residents day-to-day activities. So this is the opportunity and loss for Skyhawk community. And then next one is it makes no sense to set up a rehab center next to a bar. Anybody puts themselves in patients position and think about the temptation to patients when they hear the cheers from the bar. And then I'm not against this center itself, but not at this location. And I really think it is all everybody's obligation to kill the root cause instead of put the center in the residential area. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is Paul Booker. Chair Weeks, Paul Booker. Apologies, Paul, I see that your hands are is raised, but you already gave your public comment. Oh, thank you for tracking that. Okay, so that is our last caller unless anybody else wants to speak. One more speaker Jay Levine. Hi, my name is Jay Levine. I've been a resident of Skyhawk since 1999. I'm about a block away from the facility. I do want to just remind everybody that while we all may be against this that Alex is making this decision to place this unit here as a business decision. I may have missed other speakers earlier who may have chimed in that there are other facilities, not too far away, such as the Stone House, which is designed specifically for community care, healthcare assisted care. It's perfect. So Alex, if you're looking for a facility with 14 bedrooms and 28 beds, you got it. It's just down the street. Thank you. Thank you. We have one more speaker Chun Lee Lee. Yes we can. Can you say your name again please. You keen. Oh, thank you. I feel like in a residential area and it's like meant for residents. I don't think Skyhawk really like the Skyhawk residents need a rehab center. Like it's just not like the best place to and I'm 14 and I have because there's a lot of like you like never know what people are going to do under the influence or like even if they're attempting to like stop doing drugs or like rehab. Like still an elementary. Thank you. Thank you. The next speaker is critical decide. Hello. Yes. Hello. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Hi. Yeah, I'm people decide I'm a child and adolescent sick address. I practice in Santa Rosa at an outpatient clinic. And I see adults as well as children and adolescents are all different ages and over the years of my training and practice I have worked in inpatient as well as outpatient settings including veterans hospital and methadone clinics. My point being that I've seen detoxing patients and what they experience I'm totally in support of treating patients and especially they go through such traumatic life experiences and many have been victim to drug abuse because of life circumstances. So I'm definitely in support of rehab facility. But I believe that this community is not a good place. And coming from a child psychiatrist point of view I see patients children adolescents who are dealing with such major drug crisis especially with all the stress going on in the world including the COVID that has led to such devastating consequences to children's mental health and exposing our children in Skyhawk community to drug addicts who may be roaming in our vicinity in Skyhawk village is definitely a risky place to begin with. And I'm totally against it and I think it should not be given the permission to continue with the rehab. Thank you. Thank you. And if I could remind the upcoming speakers that if you're what you're going to say has already been said if you could just say you're in agreement with that instead of repeating the comments that would be helpful. The next speakers Thomas C. Hi I'm Thomas and I just I grew up living in Skyhawk and I went to Austin Creek and I grew up in the Ring of Ballet District area so I just want to like provide a voice for like the kids who grew up in this area. And you know I'm really blessed to have lived in an area where I could go to Austin Creek at like 11pm and like play basketball and like feel perfectly fine so I just don't feel like it's the smartest decision in terms of like the placement of where everything is I went to Skyhawk village as a kid with my friends we would go biking and walking and you know we'd have a lot of fun but it doesn't seem like the smartest decision so I just wanted to like voice the opinion of someone who grew up in this area. Thank you. The next speaker is Hongming Zhang. Yes. Okay. Good. Yeah. Yeah. My name is Hongming. I'm from the Skyhawk. Yeah. So I all agree the comments from my neighborhood and I against this project. Yeah. Why I heard this project. You are in the Halloween. Yeah. First time but you know you are in the Halloween and when I walk in the street with my daughter together we are freely and see yeah it's a very happy but if this project is approved I think all situation will be changed and we cannot see this scenario again. I mean our kids our neighborhood I think we will not have this kind of happy scenario yet in our community so we are currently living very happy and because of the good situation and environment but if this project approved I don't think this scenario will keep people always it will be changed because it is a different I mean this will change our happy life environment I think. So young words are against this project. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. The next speaker is Oscar Tang. Hi. Can you hear me? Yes we can. Oh yes. Actually my name is Anna is Oscar the mom so I'm the resident of the Skyhawk since 2013 almost I live there 10 years. So when my son is 7 years we move in we pick this place to leave because their time I feel safe and quiet and nice neighborhood but now for recently I said and feel bad also and because I heard they will build a rehab center and from nearby my place so because I don't think that's good for that's a good idea for with the kids if they build a rehab center here so around the community so that's it's business that's for the business but not good for us you know so I disagree that's the project I please think about that and listen all the people and so that's that's that's what I think so I'm not very grateful that's the project so think about that but thank you thank you give me the chance and let me speak something. Thank you. Thank you. So with that that is our last speaker. So with that we have one more speaker and just raised Robin Wang Robin I sent you a prompt to unmute yourself. Yeah. Can you hear me now. Yes. Thank you. I moved to here roughly seven years ago from Singapore. The reason why I moved to Santa Rosa is special if skyhawk area is that the front of the people here and the safety women's and it's also a good culture to stay together with my two kids one in Austin school another is in the kindergarten so it will be my highly concerned if there's a drug store or there so totally I object for this project. Thank you. Thank you. And now we have one more speaker whose hand just raised Luke Reimer. Yes hello can you hear me. Yes we can. Yes I'll keep a brief I just want to say I agree with the other sentiments that have been shared I have the same concerns. My house looks directly out back on to the property and in question. I'm looking at it right now as I'm speaking to you and so I share a lot of the concerns the neighbors have said my main question though is I don't understand the process. And so perhaps at the conclusion of this meeting I'd like to understand what is the process going forward to consider the community's comments and how does this go forward. Thank you. Thank you. So with that we will go ahead and close the public hearing on this item. And bring it back to the commission. And I think because we've been sitting here for quite some time now if we can take a 10 minute break which would get us back at about 842. And then we'll start our discussion at that time and take our questions. Thank you. Lonnie are we ready to go or do you need a few more minutes. We're ready on our end but I don't see Commissioner Holton or Commissioner Cisco. Okay. I'm sure they're there. There they are. Okay. So do you want to do the roll call? Yes. Let the record reflect that all commissioners are present with the exception of Commissioner Duggan and Commissioner O'Crapie. Thank you. And just want to mention to the public that we have closed the public hearing portion of the meeting. And after about 63 I believe members of the public. So with that we'll bring it back to the commission. And let's start off with questions. And then after that we can do our usual comments. So who would like to start with questions? Commissioner Cisco. Thank you. Are we asking questions of staff or of the applicant? Let's start with questions for staff first. Okay. I don't have questions for staff. Oh, okay. Does anybody have questions for staff? Vice Chair Peterson. Yeah, I think I've got a couple. One of them is we've heard a couple things about property values going up or down. Is that something that is the commission can consider when weighing these kinds of land use? Good afternoon. Well, now I guess it's good evening. Chair and members of the commission, Jessica Jones, Deputy Director of Planning. Yes. Thank you for the question Vice Chair Peterson. That's an excellent one. No, property values is not something that is a finding for consideration by the Planning Commission in situations like this. And I can keep going. Thank you. Thank you, Stephanie and Jones. I can keep going, Chair Weeks. Sure. Okay, with the commission. Yeah. Why don't you, for the questions for staff and then we'll have questions for applicant and then ask some of the questions that were raised by the public if we haven't already covered that. Okay. Thank you. I think this is another question that the public raised was whether or not the number of beds can be expanded under the same use permit. Is that something that could happen? And I'll ask Planner Bisla to clarify for me, but I believe that the approval before you is specifically for 24 beds and any expansion of that, of the number of beds or of the overall use and the description of the use would require either an updated minor use permit, which would go through a public process or a new minor use permit. Okay. Thank you. Well, that answered my question certainly. And then the, then the, another one I had was the over concentration issue and whether that 1000 foot, can you explain the 1000 foot buffer that came up several times. Yes, I can. And again, thank you for the question. So the zoning code that is being referred to here is zoning code section 20 dash 42 point 060. This is for community and health care facilities that section of the code provides specific regulations for our community and health care facilities. And it is specific to requirements for community health care facilities that require minor conditional use permits. And those minor conditional use permits are for the large facilities, which would be seven or more bedrooms. And the conditions of approval subsection C of that section of the code is where we find the section on conditions of approval. And that is where the over concentration section is. And that is again, for those large facilities that require the minor use permit. So for a small facility, which would be six beds or fewer, they are not subject to the over concentration requirements. Okay. Well, thank you. I won't take too much more time before letting my fellow commissioners jump in. I didn't have one question for staff. Great. So I was just curious, since the change from an inpatient outpatient model to exclusively an inpatient model was a traffic survey done to address some of the public's concern about increased traffic use. Thank you. Yes, there was a trip generation memo done by W trans. I'm going to pull it up right now. And I believe, um, believe gave Osborne is on here. Yes. Thank you. Yes. Good afternoon chair and members of the commission gave Osborne deputy director of development services. So there was actually a chip generation memo that was produced as part of this. And as part of that process, really what we look at is the existing uses on the site. We compare them against the proposed use. And we look at the estimated number of trips that that would produce. In this particular case, the additional trips were 15. And on top of that 15, we then look at the peak am and PM periods. And that was 1 and 2. So that's fairly low. It's typically 50 additional trips is what's generates additional concern on our end. So our our traffic engineer does not have any issues based on that trip generation estimate. And I'll also add Zach Matley from W trans who was part of the group that prepared that memo is also here if you have any specific questions about the memo itself. Great. Thank you all. Thank you. Are there any commissioner Carter. Well, what the conversion of the seven units existing in the property to a community care facility resulted in an actual reduction in our housing unit count. I believe there are currently no tenants there. There were previously before the building changed ownership but currently all of the suites are empty. I believe Alex can probably answer that better. Maybe I can stay quite slightly differently. Does are those units included in our current housing inventory. So, yeah, commissioner Carter I can I can help with that question. So, yes, those units are existing the proposed facility is not proposing to make substantial changes to eliminate those units as being units. They're not proposing to make interior changes that would convert them from a residential unit type to something different. So those units would still be available for future use as housing. So they would not be a loss of housing units to the city. And one one more quick question. The permit addresses the units 201 through 207 yet part of the activity is in a first floor unit is that I'm going to assume that's allowed by right and therefore the permit does not affect that first floor unit. The office function that's in the first floor. Accessory office. That's just for storage and some admin work and it's in one of the suites downstairs and the applicant is the owner and the accessory office is a lot by right. Thank you. And I do I see a number of hands raised and I do want to reiterate our process right now that we've closed the public hearing. We won't be taking any more public comments on this item tonight. We will have questions, or we do. We will have questions I'm sure for the applicant who will respond, but that the public hearing portion is closed. When the commission asked those questions of both staff and the applicant, we will get more clarification so just want to pass that on to everybody who maybe isn't aware of our processes. So, other questions of staff. I do have one. There was a lot of discussion about that it's a local community center that leads one to believe that the services there just to serve that local community. Is there a definition or can you explain what the definition of local community center is and shed any light on that. Sure, I can take a stab at that one. So, and I think what is being referred to is the definition of neighborhood shopping center, which is what is in our general plan. When this site was zoned neighborhood commercial was back in believe is 2000 is either 2000. 2005. Anyway, the city council made a finding at that time. So the underlying general plan land use designation is low density residential. In order to approve the rezoning of the site to neighborhood commercial and approve the neighborhood center that is there today. The city council made a finding of general plan consistency that a neighborhood center is allowed in any of our land use districts and our general plan land use district districts in the city. The definition of neighborhood shopping center in our general plan does identify that it is for providing shopping and services to satisfy the day to day needs of local neighborhoods and workplaces. And, and that is also where the discussion about neighborhood centers being allowed in all of our districts also lives. So I believe that that is what is being referred to by the community. Thank you. Any other questions for staff. Then let's go ahead and you have questions for the applicant. Let's start with that commissioner Cisco. And so I'm sorry. So, Commissioner Cisco, if you could ask the question and then Mr. Wing all can respond and then we can, we can do it that way. Okay. Okay. Great. I know what I thought. No, but I instead of asking, you know, 10 questions and then he. No, no, no, I'd rather do it what you're suggesting. Thank you. Thank you. What can I say? No, I understand totally. Um, yeah, Mr. Magnal, um, in, could you illuminate me and us a little bit more. In terms of detox, I have an idea of what that actually means, but what do you expect your patients to experience either in three to 14 days? Well, typically the goal is for them to safely eliminate the drugs and alcohol from their system physically and being a spot mentally where they're able to step down to the next level of care or return to their daily activities if that's what they're ready to do. Right. And that's where I'm, I think that's, and I want to be respectful of how you have portrayed this, but I see detox is a very serious medical experience. And so just to say that you expect them to safely remove themselves from whatever substance they're using. It doesn't tell me what you expect to see of them physically and why their vitals are being taken every 15 minutes. Um, are they going to be in bed? Um, what? Sure. I want a picture of what that, that detox physically looks like on the premise. I think I, yeah, I think I understand what you're asking. Okay. So I think it's important to distinguish that there are different levels of detox care that you can be licensed for with the Department of Health Care Services. We're licensed for residential detox. The very serious inpatient detox happens at level 3.7 and level four, which are inpatient detox. We're not an inpatient detox facility and we're not a medical facility. We are allowed to provide and licensed by the state to provide incidental medical services, which means that we're required to have a medical director who screens all of our applicants before they come in. So we have the doctor with 25 years of experience that I mentioned and he makes a decision based on his vast experience about whether the person is allowable in our level of care because they're under his, his care while they're with us. So he knows exactly what he can and can't treat in a non medical facility. So that can be someone who's detoxing from a number of different substances. Typically someone who's denied is someone who has extenuating health circumstances, like a heart condition or diabetes or some other condition that would require placement in an inpatient facility like a hospital. So we treat on the lower end of the spectrum of detox clients. While they're there, they do receive medications to help with their detox oftentimes for the first day or so they are in bed a lot. And this is where the conversation about levels of care gets a little technical because what I'm describing sounds like we're a medical facility and I understand that there are specific carve outs in the health and safety code. For this reason that allow residential detox facilities to operate outside of the definition of a health care facility, which is also defined in the health and safety code. And I can point you to the specific sections of the code that described that. But the Department of Health Care Services recognize that there's a level of detox that can happen safely in a residential atmosphere that's not a medical facility. And a doctor is allowed to facilitate care there without it being considered a medical facility. Does that make sense. Yeah, well that's what gets me to this. You know, the description of the of your project says it's a monitor detox and withdrawal management facility staffed by medical assistance supervised by a registered nurse and medical doctor. And I guess the other question I would have is you're saying they do meet with a medical doctor initially who sets up a treatment plan to be administered by the day to day staff that it can include medications I assume to assist with the issues of detox which are can be quite serious. In terms of hallucinations, pain, agitation. So are you saying that this doctor could set up a treatment plan and give out or recommend medications for the treatment during detox. Yes. Okay. And so what medications might those be. Any medication that he feels is necessary for their detox at our level of care. Yeah, what have you seen those medications today. Benzodiazepines for alcohol withdrawal. What is it. Oh yeah gabapentin. Phenobarbital. I will say that our doctor is very conservative when it comes to medicating and our level of care. Just based on his experience and he's, he's not afraid to deny clients into our facility that he's not comfortable with, because there are other facilities, medical facilities that people can go to. The other stipulation within incidental medical services as described by the Department of Health Care Services is that medications are client self administered and we just monitor the administration of medications. So we're not. Yeah, what does that exactly mean are you, you're handing them because Benzodiazepines are pretty addictive. So that could be an issue in a, in a treatment facility. So they're saying they're self administered I'm assuming they're not holding on to their own prescription that someone's distributing that prescription as described by the doctor. But they're the clients take the medication as prescribed by the doctor and our policies and procedures about handling medication are dictated by the Department of Health Care Services, but they're triple locks. They're locked within the facility locked by the site behind a locked door in a locked cabinet. Clients go to that cabinet under supervision of the staff. The staff opens the cabinet and all the clients medications are an individual cubbies or little trays. The medications are handed to the client, counted in front of staff, ingested in front of staff, and then the medications put back in the locking cabinet. And we do under our IMS license have the authority to count medications to make sure that no one is taking advantage of that. And then there's another part of your project description that says none of the patients are bed bound or non ambulatory for the duration of their stay, but they could be bed bound for this detox period. Well, they have to be able to take their own medications and we're not a nursing facility. So typically that's if that if that became the case for someone they would be referred to a medical facility. So you're expecting that somebody that's detoxing from an opioid would be ambulatory. They'd be up walking around during the detox period. Well, they can rest and relax in their bed. But we are not a non ambulatory facility. We don't have hospital beds. We don't we don't move people around on gurneys. Yeah, so if people can't, you know, take care of their own personal hygiene, and they can't get up to get their medications they can't get up to have their vitals taken they would be referred somewhere else. But the whole point of our in depth pre admission screen is to avoid those situations. Okay, and often with with an opioid, there is a weaning period. Is that something that a medical doctor would would suggest is treatment for somebody within your facility that they continue and wean themselves down from something like purpose set. Yeah, I mean it's it's up to his discretion but I know that his philosophy is that a faster taper is better based on his experience. And so he does. We don't cut people off cold turkey because that's not safe, except with, I believe with. And so now you're you're asking me to answer policies and procedures that are written by the doctor and up hit up to his discretion as a medical professional so I'll do my best. But I know that I know from experience with this doctor that his philosophy is to taper people quickly and get them off addictive medications and on the medications that can help them with their withdrawal that are not narcotic natured. Okay. Does that all make sense. It does. I'm not sure I agree that it's not a medical. Again, I can I can point you to the. It has to do with a Sam criteria and level of care designation with the Department of Health Care Services. I can point you to those specific, you know, the criteria and the regulations. And we are only we are only licensed to operate within our specific levels of care. So we can't take someone who needs inpatient detox. We make a referral for those things. Okay. Good. So there are other questions of the applicant at this time, Commissioner Holton. So your average duration of stay for your clients is typically around 15 to 30 days something around that for a detox detox is no 14 days is typically a decently long detox day. Oh, go ahead. Part of that is determined by the insurance provider as well. They will only approve so much time up front and then it's a matter of reporting back based on the client's affect and their status, and then there's the like the word negotiation sounds funny in this situation but that's what it is the insurance company trying to get them out of a high level of care. And if they're not ready, we're trying to allow them to stay. Exactly. So with that being said, what is your like current policy or what is your plan policy for family visitation or any kind of, you know, obviously they're not allowed to have their own vehicles and they're not allowed to, you know, be leaving the site. But is there any plans on family visitation and could you walk me through a little bit of your kind of in like your onboarding process and how you would bring a new client into that environment. Yeah, I can do both of those things. So, as far as the, like, for in for detox. We're not leaving the facility while they're in detox. Our doctor might when I mentioned life physical activity in my description. An example of that would be like when they're well enough and stable enough, go outside and walk up and down the deck to get some steps in so that people aren't because the tendency when you're detoxing is to sit on the couch and watch TV right. It's comfortable. You're not feeling great. So, but our doctor is a proponent of moving and physically getting involved in your recovery in that way. As far as the family, the family program, we don't allow any visitors while you're in detox. And like I mentioned, people, we take clients cell phones for three days when they get there because we don't want any communication other than supervised communication with staff on a house line. It's just safer for everyone that way. And then, once if someone is in the residential level of care after detox, we will have a family programming schedule typically treatment centers do those on Sundays because that's the best opportunity for families to come. And we would organize some sort of a family program programming group. I think a lot of times this would be a question for our program director because she's going to write their curriculum for that. But it would involve some sort of combined activity for the clients and the parents or family members and then also some sort of separate activity. And in the meantime, we have we, we donated our space at our outpatient facility for a friends and family group that's a community peer support group for friends and family of people in addiction programs. Most of the people are, you know, friends and family people in our program, but it is open to the community. So they meet once a week in the evening at our facility once our programming is done. All right. Thank you. Are there other questions of the applicants. I have one, a couple probably. I'm sorry, chair weeks just one really, really quick one. There was a comment from the public, a gentleman asking the question about your policy on failed drug tests. If there's more than one failed drug test. Does that mean an immediate dismissal from your program or is or what is your policy. Thank you. Sorry. That's okay. That's an important question to make. Typically, if there's a relapse, there are multiple circumstances that apply to that situation. And our approach is always to meet the client where they're at and figure out what's going on. Sometimes the best thing to do if it's two o'clock in the morning, we're probably not just going to tell someone that they have to walk out the front door and be gone right we're going to work on making a referral contacting their family. We're going to isolate them so that they're not intoxicated in front of people who are trying to stay sober. But we would treat individually each individual situation as an individual. And what would that isolation look like I'm just really curious. I mean, not completely we're not going to put them in a room by themselves but they would be, we might move them to the to one of the detox rooms that there's an extra space there to be under observation. Or they would be, you know, not in a bedroom with another client maybe in a living room with a staff member, something like that. Until we can find out a safe plan for them to transition or make a referral to a different facility. Is that kind of your current policy at your current place or I mean, I'm just it seems like everything is kind of unwritten at this point and not to, you know, I'm not questioning anything I just curious if that's how you do things at your current facility. No, I can. I could pull up our detox policy and procedure manual right now and in. Oh yeah, no, no, I'm sure. Read to you what it is. I'm not the manager. I know this is a new kind of, you know, this is a pretty big step. I mean, this is definitely going from a six bed transition to a, you know, as the public had commented, it is a pretty dramatic, you know, increase in number of beds that you're in. I'm just trying to understand if everything has really been thought through. Well, I would say in that vein I would say that. Well it's true that we don't have 24 beds now before we can operate a single bed above six. We have to go through the licensing and accreditation process again with the state. So whatever answers I don't have will be answered. Before we can operate at this facility and the Department of Health Care Services is the sole authority in the state of California that can regulate our industry. So we have to answer to them and they hold us accountable. So you're right, I haven't written a policy and procedure handbook for an entire 24 bed facility yet. But it's something that we have to do and there are multiple accrediting and governing bodies that hold us accountable to the highest standard when we do that. Thank you, Jim. I appreciate your answer. Thank you. Okay. So, a couple of the, the public comments talked about surveillance and monitoring. And are you going to have cameras around to make sure people are where they should be. There was that discussion around that or whether, and my assumption from what you've said is that it's not a locked up facility or is it because that was also a question that the public. No, everyone who comes to our facility chooses to be here. And if they want to leave they can with that said we take steps to make sure that because, you know, for multiple reasons, it's the best thing to do for their client. We're required by the state to keep an eye on people. So, short answer to your question is yes, we're going to change a few things with the facility to make sure that our staff has the tools they need to do their jobs, including it sounds like most of you have been to the building and have a decent idea of what the layout is. If you're looking at the front of the building that we bought, there are two state staircases one on each side that go up to the second floor where we want to do this in an elevator. Both of those staircases are behind a gate that's locked after business hours and only residents and employees have access to that gate. The elevator also is locked after business hours. And there's a keypad to use the elevator. Our plan is to once you get upstairs. There's a shared deck that then veers to the left towards our our building and there's a long deck that connects all seven apartments upstairs. We are going to add a gate on both sides. That's another layer of locking from the outside with an emergency push bar on the inside. So in the event of an emergency, it's not an evacuation hazard, but only our staff will have access into those gates from the outside. And potentially it's either going to be a combination or an RFID gate where our staff will have our staff where badges to identify themselves and that will be a keypad to unlock the gate that gets into the residential residential units back there. And then we probably will also have cameras on both ends of the deck, because those will be the only two points of access to our facility. We also have cameras in our detox facility that monitor the the IMS room where medications are taken in the common area towards the front door as well so we know who's come in and out of the facility. Thank you. Are there other questions of the applicant or staff? Did I miss other questions from the public? Commissioner Carter. I think there was a question from the public about the process going forward. You might touch on what happens after we make our decision. Thank you. So what happens and please weigh in both staff and commission if I miss a step. Once we act tonight, whether it be in support or not in support, there's an appeal process that the applicant or the neighbors can appeal whatever our decision is to the city council. And then the city council would weigh in it in on this item. And they are the final authority. Is that, does that cover it you think? Yes, that's correct. Okay. I just want to make sure I didn't miss out on a step. If I could just quickly clarify chair weeks. So the appeal period just so everybody is aware both the applicant and the community. The appeal period is 10 calendar days from the date of the decision. And so if that 10th day falls on a day that the city is not closed. So for example, on a weekend, then the 10 days falls to forward to the next business day that the city is open. So the applicant is still counting correctly on our calendar. The appeal the final day to appeal any decision made by the Planning Commission tonight would be Monday, December 19. Thank you. So, Commissioner Carter. Yes, one other. Commissioner Carter mentioned that he, I believe, if I understood correctly, still needs certification from the state, it might be helpful for him if he can discuss that process and how that goes in a high level that is relevant to our discussion here. Yes, that would be great. And also when you talk about that is the certification the same as the license agreement that we talked about earlier or are they two different things. So right now we are certified to provide outpatient and day treatment. So the Department of Health Care Services has two levels of credentialing that you can apply for when it comes to alcohol and drug facilities. You can certify a program where people aren't living. And it certifies your curriculum, your staffing requirements, the safety of the building for day traffic, but not overnight traffic. And then you can license a residential facility and your program. So a license applies to the building that we're occupying as well as the program that we're providing there, whereas a certification only applies to the program. And then there's some minor safety concerns that are addressed with that as well. In both cases, we also are accredited by the Joint Commission, which is the highest level of accreditation you can get in our field for providing the services we do. So we currently have an application in with the Department of Health Care Services to add the six beds that were allowed by right at this new facility. And once that application is finished, there's the whole nother app. We have to submit a completely different application to add more beds to that location. Pending approval, printing this permit from the city because the state won't grant us additional beds without approval from the city. Does that make sense? It's an entire another application and also, you know, all the like the questions that I'm sorry, I can't see your name right now. Commissioner Holden had we'll need full policies and procedures for every service that we plan to offer. The staffing plan has to be in place. They come out and do a site visit before they grant our license. So we're expecting a site visit soon for the six bed facility. And then they'll come out again and they'll they'll inspect those six beds as well as the beds that we add. And then once we have that license, we have, I believe it's 30 or 90 days to let the Joint Commission know and then they'll come do another site visit for our accreditation as well. Does that answer your question, Commissioner Carter? There was one more question and it had to do with the smoking. I know that if this is approved, that I believe the construction of any kind of smoking kiosk would have to go to design review board. Yeah. And has there been some thought about the fact that that is on a scenic highway? I believe Highway 12 is a scenic road. And correct me if I'm wrong, staff. And then necessity for you to have that type of smoking facility. I don't know that if I didn't make any sense, did it? No, it did. I have talked to Nora about that. And I'm aware of the additional requirements for a scenic, I forget the exact term, but being a scenic route. There are certain design components that need to be considered whenever you're building something that can be seen from that road. And so we're completely open to working with the city on whatever is best for a location and a design for that structure. The space that I suggested on our plan was just based on me looking at the smoking ordinance and finding a spot that kind of fit in with the setbacks. But I think there are several other options that could work that that may even be, you know, less obtrusive farther away from the sidewalk, things like that. And the scenic road combining district, the accessory structure setback would be the same as the primary zoning district if it's for like, say a gazebo or an uncovered structure. So that is why I mentioned that the applicant plans to work with the city to find the most appropriate design and location. And would you anticipate going back to my previous question, would you anticipate having cameras and monitoring on that site to ensure that the number of people there is consistent with what's in the policy. Probably not since it's a public area, but one of the conditions that was recommended by staff was that we have no more than five people in the smoking area once and that includes a staff member because we would always have a staff member with clients while they're out there. And we're okay with that condition. Good. Okay, so any other questions before I ask somebody to read the resolution and we can start with comments. Okay, would somebody like to enter this we have one resolution with somebody like to enter that. Vice Chair Peterson. I will move the resolution of the planning commission of the city of Santa Rosa, making findings and determinations and approving a minor conditional use permit for poor Vita recovery services, a 24 bed community care facility, and voiding the previously clearance issued on July 22, 2022, for a community care facility with six or fewer clients file number ZC 22-0202, located at 5761 Mountain Hawk Drive, Santa Rosa, sweets 201 to 207, APN 153-180-029, file number CUP 22-045 and wave further reading. Thank you. And is there a second Commissioner Carter seconds. Thank you. So with that, we'll mix this up and I'll start with the comments for excuse me from Commissioner Cisco. Well, we heard, we heard a lot tonight from the public and, you know, every meeting and chair which we did at this meeting, describes for the public what our preview and our process. Our purpose is, which is to compare projects to our land use policies and zoning code. So some of the comments that the public made clearly don't fit in there. And I think Vice Chair Peterson clarified some of those that we don't look at property values. There isn't a setback established for community care centers from schools. There can be mitigation factors for large facilities that are considered over concentration. So what I'm going to be doing is speaking just strictly to our zoning code. And the zoning code definition of a community care facility says a facility place or building that is maintained and operated to provide non medical residential care. And I hear the applicant and again I want to be respectful of their interpretation of what that means. But I don't agree with that interpretation. And it's our job tonight to interpret our own zoning code. So I look at non medical residential care. And I think about detox. And I think about what I know that to be is a medical situation I think the applicant did describe some of those issues that can involve medications, it can involve seizures, it can involve vomiting, it can involve aggression and agitated behavior. And I hear that a medical doctor is going to evaluate somebody and develop a treatment plan that would be administered by staff, which would include medications, which I consider a medical treatment. They're saying they're self administered but basically staff is giving them their medication and watching them take it. They're taking vitals every 15 minutes because there's a potential more serious medical issue if they don't have that medication and are in our detoxing safely and properly. And I see the fatal flaw for this project is that it does not fit our definition of a community care facility to be to be providing non medical residential care. I can't get past that. And I would not be able to make the findings that would support this, given my interpretation of what that means and what I see in the project description of this applicant. That being said, I think it is an awkward site, very difficult to supervise. The seven separate apartments. There is a lot of transportation of these clients or patients, whatever you want to call them, I would call them patients. But, you know, and I hear, I hear the public's concern about safety and all of these things. I'm speaking to, and the applicant spoke to, you know, the stigma, not wanting individuals dealing with alcohol or drug treatment to be stigmatized, isolated, or, you know, separated from the community. But there's another issue there for individuals going through this kind of treatment. And that's privacy. And one of the things that I don't like about this particular setting in this particular operational definition of taking them off site and bringing them back is that And these aren't going to be derelict people. I mean, there are very well educated, professional individuals, high economic, socioeconomic status that are struggling and need treatment. And I look at this and I go, where's the protection of their anonymity or their privacy or their confidentiality, if they're being walked down or if they're going to be smoking or doing whatever, very in a very, very public place. So I have concerns about that. Again, I'm relying on our zoning code right here, but I'm just going to make these observations that I find troubling about the site itself. The smoking enclosure on a scenic road appalls me. I'm sorry, it just appalls me that you would even think of that. And I don't like, I don't like approving things and conditions which really are enforceable, and I see that condition is unenforceable. And I believe it was set forth to sort of mitigate the idea that it's in close proximity to the other facility. Basically, for me, the fatal flaw is that this project does not meet our zoning code description of a community care center and should not be allowed in this particular area. And I'll be voting against the project. Thank you. Let's go now to Vice Chair Peterson for some comments. Sure. Thank you, Chair Weeks. Well, I think Commissioner Sisco pretty ably put out what we're here to look at. And I think as we see with these in a lot of different cases, land use is a proxy for much larger, more complicated kind of policy decisions. So I think part of what's getting built into this is how does the city of Santa Rosa deal with the problem of addition? Where should people who are trying to get clean be able to find that space? I think we heard some stereotypes about annex that I think we're unfortunate and I don't agree with. But that's not really what we're dealing with. As Commissioner Sisco said, what we're looking at is land use and the findings we have to make for this particular use permit. And unlike Commissioner Sisco, the one I'm struggling with is the zoning district compliance. I understand the zoning codes position and the general plans, you know, setting up community care facilities are allowed in every zoning district except for motor vehicle services, whatever that one is. And it makes sense. It's the same thing for cannabis. We want these to be dispersed throughout the city. We don't want to unfairly burden anyone neighborhood. These people who are there are part of the community and deserve to be integrated into it. So why is Skyhawk any different? You know, why, you know, should Rosalind have to bear this? Should, you know, some other neighborhood have to bear this? But what I struggle with is the definition of the neighborhood commercial zoning and the uses of the center are intended to provide for the day-to-day needs of local neighborhoods and workplaces. But not to me if such a scope and variety is to attract substantial traffic volumes from outside the neighborhood. So I'm interested to hear from my fellow commissioners on that point because to me while it is allowable, it does seem to be at odds with the purpose of the commercial or neighborhood commercial zoning district. Again, it's a strange situation. I think we find ourselves in where a six bed or fewer would be by right. You know, the applicant could open that six bed up doesn't come to us. There's no public input. But, you know, seven or more comes to us and this is where we find ourselves. So I think that tension is what what I'm struggling with, which is giving purpose to that, you know, if we're going to have a zoning code neighborhood commercial has a purpose. But community care is allowed in all the zoning districts. So, like I said, I'm interested to hear from my fellow commissioners on that. That's that's the finding that I'm struggling with at this point. Thank you. Let's go to Commissioner Carter. Well, first of all, I want to thank the applicant and the members of the community that have given us a thorough presentation today and airing of thoughts about the project and thank you all for taking the time to do that. I think Commissioner Cisco did a wonderful job of sort of parsing out what a community care facility is and how a recovery facility fits into that. I'm not medically first, but I would like to believe that community care facility includes recovery facilities and I think had the applicant. Well, the applicant kind of clearance to do his by right community care on this site. But the reason it comes to us as a use permit is because we need to exercise some discretion in the in the locating of these larger community care facilities. And I think Commissioner Cisco's pointing out the awkwardness of the site also illustrates that there are some conditions that would make a community care facility unacceptable in a residential area. And I think, you know, I really came into this thinking this was just a nimby situation. But I think there really are difficulties with this site that makes it difficult for me to make the land use findings that they are that is appropriate for a community care facility of this size and the setting like this. Thank you, Commissioner Holton. So, first off, I'd just like to thank all the staff, all of the fellow, all my fellow commissioners, especially you chair weeks for continuously reiterating that keep the comments concise, keep them from being the same thing over and over again. And this is where we had. It was like there was five callers. I want to really actually recognize the comment or bill for being the first guy to actually just be exactly that I agree with everyone else. But this isn't about that. This is totally about the zoning. And this is really, I'm having the same difficulty as all of my other fellow commissioners in terms of finding the finding the way to see this is the community center component of it is just really, really difficult to kind of grasp and I just think that really at this point. It's it is an awkward location. I think that there's got to be better locations in the closer proximity that you probably even get for better commercial real estate value. But that's not that's here nor there for brevity's sake. I'll just say, I can't really make the findings to support this project right now. But that's, that's just pretty much it. Thank you. Thank you. I also am having a hard time making the findings tonight. Both the issue of, is it medical, is it not medical, as well as the whole issue around the neighborhood commercial zoning. And so I will not be supporting project. I, I do want to, though, kind of piggyback on what Vice Chair Peterson mentioned about kind of the some of the comments we heard. Stigmatizing people who have addiction issues and some of the fear based comments we heard to me are always very unsettling. But nevertheless, I, like I said, I will not be supporting this project tonight as I feel I can't make the findings. So with that, go ahead. Ms. Jones. Yes, so since it appears that the planning commission is moving towards denial for this project, just wanted to note that the resolution that is before you is for approval. And so at this point, there is no resolution for denial before the commission. So we would need to have direction from the planning commission to go back and prepare a resolution of denial based on the comments made by the planning commission at tonight's meeting and return at the next available planning commission meeting, which at this point would likely be the first meeting in January. And bring forward the resolution again based on the comments made tonight by the commission. With that, I don't know if our attorney has anything additional to add to that. Would that come to us as a consent item. I believe that it would. Okay. So, Miss Broncker, can you help us? I think we can figure that out. But my inclination would be that that would just be a consent item to reflect the direction given this evening by the commission to identify which finding it is that you are unable to make. Perhaps. I think I've got the gist from the notes here, but maybe if you can put a little bit more. Yeah, I think I can. If we could put a little bit more weight on the skeleton and what you guys were saying there would be helpful. So some of you were talking about the consistency with the zoning code. So that would be one of the findings. Some were more about the design location or physical suitability of the site. Okay. So, do you have what you need or do you want us to delve a little deeper? I will defer to staff. Do you feel like you have what you need? I have taken pretty good notes. But if you'd like to have chair weeks call on each commissioner. To give their opinion of what, you know, to state their findings that they're having the most trouble with that could add some more clarity prior to the vote. I think we have what we need. Okay, so since emotion was made, do we rescind that motion? No, there's a motion on the table and you will vote yes or no. Okay. Got it. Okay. Got it. Okay, so with that. No, I was just going to say so with that, if staff has what they need from us for tonight, we could go ahead and vote on this. It was moved by Vice Chair Peterson and seconded by Commissioner Carter. Commissioner Carter. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. So that motion failed with five eyes and Commissioner Duggan and a Kropke being absent. And so with that I do would want to note that this action. I don't know if I'm wrong, Ms. Crocker, but that the action is final unless an appeal is filed within 10 calendar days of today's action. The time limit will extend to the following business day of the last day falls on a day that the city is closed pursuant to zoning code section 20-62.030. For further information on how to submit an appeal form, please contact your project trailer. So I think that is it for tonight unless anybody has anything else they'd like to mention. And we all adjourn this to our next meeting of the planning commission, which I believe we have a special meeting next week. So we'll see you all next week. Thank you very much everybody.