 Hi there, welcome in. I'm Tim Hill pinch hitting right now for Mary Harrell with tan books from tan headquarters right outside of Charlotte, North Carolina. Mary should be along with us soon having some slight computer issues. You see our panel with us today, Father Lawrence Carney, Dr. Paul Kanger and Julia Maloney. More on them in just a second. Today's topic that is communism and the Catholic Church. Communism, the very word can conjure up images of the Cold War, the USSR, the McCarthy era trials of the 1950s. But communism is not just a word with the diabolical past as much to do with the present as well. Our guests today certainly posit that one of the greatest threats to the Catholic Church in the world today at large is communism. But how can we uncover the diabolical roots of communism as well as its manifestations in today's world, especially how and why does communism seek to undermine the Catholic Church in the United States? What does the church say about communism? How did her leaders like venerable Fulton Sheen stand up against communism? Why did Beledad, one of communism's greatest champions escape this party of death? And above all, how can we protect our church and families from this satanic scourge through a life of penance and prayer, especially devotion to the holy face? You'll hear answers to these questions and more today as our December Roundtable tackles the subject of communism and the Catholic Church. This is the 10 Roundtable. You can find a new live conversation here every month, giving you personal access to our authors and guests concerning the most pressing topics impacting the world and our church. So let's get to our speakers. Thank you for your patience very much. Dr. Paul Kanger, first Professor of Political Science and Executive Director for the Center of Vision and Values at Grove City College. All articles regularly appear in publications ranging from the USA Today, New York Times. He's the author of more than a dozen books, including the spectacular bestseller from just earlier this year, The Devil and Karl Marx, that is, Communism's Long March of Death, Deception and Infiltration. Most recently, back with his 10 books, New Release, The Devil and Beledad, One Woman's Struggle Against Communism and Her Redemption. Paul, I know you've been busy doing these things a lot. Thanks so much for joining us today. Yeah, sure thing, Tim. Good to be with you. Thanks. All right. And Julia Maloney, back for her second 10 Roundtable, holds her bachelor's degree from Yale, her master's degree from Harvard, took the Catholic publishing world by storm just last year with a bombshell book with Tan, The St. Gallen Mafia, exposing the secret reformist group within the church. Welcome back, Julia. Hi. Thanks so much. Absolutely. And Father Lawrence Carney, ordained by the, or for the Diocese of Wichita in 2007 for five years, walked the streets of U.S. cities in a cassock carrying a crucifix and a rosary in an effort to bring souls to the Catholic Church in 2017. He began the League of St. Martin, a pious association that prays for reverence, reparation and reversion, the chief goals being enrollment in the arched confraternity of the holy face. His beautiful book is The Secret of the Holy Face, The Devotion Destined to Save Society. Father, it's an honor to have you with us. It's a pleasure to be here. And just wanted to give you guys a little housekeeping tip before we really get into our topic today. Going to be giving away a bundle of books with our theme today. It includes the Communism and the Conscience of the West by Archbishop Fulton Sheen, The Devil and Karl Marx by Dr. Paul Kanger, The Devil and Bella Dodd, again by Dr. Paul Kanger and Dr. Mary Nicholas. And lastly, Father Carney's The Secret of the Holy Face, an amazing bundle of books. One lucky winner again today. Also, you'll get a discount code for 40% off of those four books highlighted today. I should mention the St. Gallen Mafia on our $5 December book list. Julia's great book there. Everybody can scoop that up for a great price. And before we really get going into the Communism topic, let's start, ladies first, of course, Julia, with what you might be reading right now from Tan Books. Julia, what do you got going? I have an old favorite that I like to reread just over and over again, and that's Preparation for Death by St. Alfonso Sligori. And the latest Tan book that I read most recently was actually Paul's new book, The Devil and Bella Dodd, which was another just phenomenal book. So that's kind of what I've been reading. That leads us right to you, Paul. Well, I'm reading the two reissues of Fulton Sheen books by Tan, including Communism and the Conscience of the West, which I just did a review for at the American Spectator. In fact, it's in the print edition, the current edition of the American Spectator. I think they're going to be putting it up online. And that book came out in 1948. It was a profound book, came out about the time that Fulton Sheen wrote Peace of Soul. So those are two Tan books that I recently read. I'm reading a book about Padre Pio, and I forget who the publisher was for that. It's not Tan, but I'm always juggling several different books that I'm reading. But the latest with Tan is Communism and the Conscience of the West. It's an amazing book. Father Lawrence, what about you, Father Carney? My favorite book is I like showing tales. I've got it here. The Four Last Things. Julia mentioned something about death. So Judgment, Helen Evans. And I picked this off the shelf at a bookstore when I was 25. I'm 47 now, and it changed my life. And it even talks about at the end of time, after the general judgment, there will be St. Michael take a cross from heaven. It'll be shining and everyone on March in the heaven that's been judged to go and priests have a certain spot. And I was running away from the priesthood. So this book helped me to get back into the saddle. Wow, fantastic stuff there. Thank you, Father Carney. Paul, let's get right into our topic at hand here, Communism and the Catholic Church. And you get the first question. You wrote your book, one book, one book before this one, The Devil and Karl Marx. And you wrote at the end of that book that you weren't really altogether eager to do another book on Communism. Was it hard to get back into all those murky waters of Communism? Yeah, it's very depressing. I mean, these are not exactly inspiring topics, right? The devil and Karl Marx. In fact, I must say that the devil and Bella Dodd is inspiring because that's a case of a woman who found redemption and left that life behind. But anytime you're dealing with Marxism, Marxism, Leninism, Communism, it's very depressing. It's quite despairing. And the Communist Manifesto was published in 1848. The Catholic Church in 1846 through an encyclical called Qui Pluribus by Pope Pius IX. Now, Pius IX was the longest serving Pope ever other than Peter. He was Pope from 1846 to 1878. And that was before a 25-year papacy by Leo XIII. And one of his first, if not the first encyclical, was Qui Pluribus' warning about the dangers and evil of Communism and how it would threaten not just private property, but even marriage, family, the church. So the church was warning about that two years before the Communist Manifesto was even published in 1848. And I gotta tell you, when I first realized that as a Protestant, so I'm a convert to Catholicism, I was floored by that. And I thought, wow, these Catholics claim that they have this thing called a magisterium that the Holy Spirit speaks through. And this would seem to me to be a proof of that, that this institution, this church, could be so far ahead of everybody else, of every other organization. And now to see today, publications like America Magazine in the United States, the Jesuit publication in July 2019, running articles with titles like the Catholic Case for Communism. I think that depresses me even more, because our church was way out in front of warning about these evils. We ought to know better than anybody else. And it shows just how far we've fallen away. I think in catechesis in our Catholic schools, Catholic colleges, that article would have probably gotten America Magazine quite literally excommunicated under the 1949 papal decree against Communism. But they didn't think they were doing anything wrong, because they're just badly informed. So sad to see. And now the new book is The Devil and Bella Dodd. Can you give us a little bit big picture around Bella Dodd, who she was, and why she keyed to understanding Communism in America, and that story you talked about, the redemption. Yeah, she's a remarkable story. So this girl who leaves Picerno, Italy at the age of five, she was born there in 1904, had this beautiful, pretty Italian name, Maria Assunta Isabella Visono. Maria Assunta, the assumption of Mary, comes to the United States, comes to New York with her Italian immigrant family, and is very quickly sucked into the kind of socialist milieu of New York, the public school system, goes off to college, Hunter College, Columbia University, where she was radicalized. She became a communist, not unlike Thomas Merton, not unlike Whitaker Chambers. And she became kind of a female Whitaker Chambers, although she was even higher ranking in the party than Whitaker Chambers was. She became a literal card carrying communist for Communist Party USA, was probably the highest ranking female in the party, and then left the party. There's long story about why she did that, but left the party in 1948. And we open the book, I think, in the first or second chapter, where she takes a call from an Associated Press reporter. And the reporter said, Dr. Dodd, we have here a statement from the Communist Party saying that you've been expelled. And it says that you are anti Negro, anti Puerto Rican, anti Semitic, pro fascist, pro Nazi. It's just that the same old smears that they're doing to this day. And she said, I have no comment to make. I'm not going to even justify that. But she broke away from the party, and of course, how can I forget to mention, she was a master organizer for the party, specifically for the teachers fund. She organized teachers. And it appears from what she told Dietrich von Hildebrand, Alice von Hildebrand, and a number of other people that the party also asked her to infiltrate Catholic seminaries. And the quote attributed to her, which we substantiate in the book, is that she helped place over or attempted to help place over a thousand communist men in Catholic seminaries in the United States. When she told Fulton Sheen about what she had done, she told Sheen that she wanted to go into the most penitential order on the planet and to spend the rest of her life on her knees, making reparation for what she had done. And it's interesting, Tim, Fulton Sheen told her, no, here's what I want you to do. I want you to go tell the world about the horrors of communism, which is what Pope Pius XI had instructed Fulton Sheen to do in the 1930s, because she spent the rest of her life doing that. And she became this courageous witness to the evils of communism, testifying to Congress, I think, more times, more frequently with more words than any other woman in the history of American communism. So quite a story. Brought back to the faith by Fulton Sheen. And codenamed Falcon, right? Good stuff, Tim. Father Carney, you write in the secret of the holy face that we need an army of people to be praying in reparation for the threefold sins against the first three commandments, those being sins concerning idolatry, blasphemy, irreverence, that these sins are most widely committed by communist free thinkers, anarchists and revolutionists. What is it about communism specifically that makes it so egregiously opposed to those first three commandments? And what are prayers of reparation? So the communists are basically a revolutionist. And they were born in the bosom of the church. Many of them became traders. And right around the time when the communist manifesto was publicized, this little nun in Tour of France, Sister Mary St. Pierre, was receiving revelations from Jesus Christ. And Jesus, the basic messages, Jesus told her that my father is greatly offended by the human race for two sins, blasphemy and proponation of Sundays and holy days of obligation. And Jesus told her, my father is not going to punish the human race so much with the elements, but with revolutionary men. So God is actually giving us the punishment for sins against the first three commandments. And that is revolutionary men, which includes communism. So in the revelations that I write about, sisters told how God puts a blueprint of how we can pray out of this mess. And Jesus even warned her that the devil would be so opposed to the devotion to the holy face that it would go away, disappear, go into oblivion, go underground, sort of like St. Louis de Montfort's book on the true devotion. He predicted that book would be buried in the ground, and it was, for 150 years, and it came out. And people make total consecration to our lady and become slaves to her. Well, this devotion to the holy face is very similar to the same narrative that that one had. So that's why I call it a secret, because the secret needs to be revealed now, because the events that are happening around the world with the elites trying to take over us and make us all slaves, these things were revealed to us in the 1840s, right when communism was being published. And Julia, you literally wrote the book on the underground movement to undermine the Catholic Church from within the St. Gallen mafia. Do you see a connection between that work that you did, that instance and communism? Absolutely. To go back to venerable Fulton Sheen and his book, Communism in the Conscience of the West, which Paul mentioned, there's a section where Sheen talks about how one issue with communism is the issue of relativism, and he talks about how Marx was very arrested by the dialectical work of Hegel, and for Hegel, there are no immutable truths. So when I thought about that part, I mean, it just absolutely evoked that famous speech that Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger gave in 2005 before the conclave that elected him as Pope, and he decried the dictatorship of relativism that does not recognize anything as definitive. And my argument in the book is that there was a group that was trying to bring that dictatorship of relativism deeper into the church, and this was none other than the group that was known as the St. Gallen mafia. And this was specifically an anti-Ratzinger group, a very liberal group, a revolutionary group, and one of their, basically their signature issue became the so-called Casper proposal for communion for the divorce and civilly remarried. And when you had all of the fallout in 2016 over, you know, can we really give communion to the divorce and civilly remarried? Does a morseletizia, the papal documents, say that we can do it? All of that. We had, of course, the dubia cardinals who issued the formal theological questions, basically asking Pope Francis to clarify different things. And notably, one of the questions that they asked was, is it still valid to teach that there are absolute moral norms? So this issue of whether there are any immutable truths is under devastating stress right now in the church. And the second issue I bring up is materialism and basically, you know, the idea that we're bodies and we don't have an eternal destiny. We don't have a soul. There's this great line that Benerval Fulton Sheen had in one of his books in this new tan set. I forget exactly which book it was, but he says, Modern Man Wants Back His Soul. And he also says, you know, if I don't have a soul, then why do I feel guilty after I sin? Well, to me, that absolutely gets at what was the real project of the Saint Galen Mafia, which was to basically say, okay, maybe in theory you have a soul, maybe you go to have, you know, you can plan to go to heaven, etc. But let's get rid of this idea that there's a hell that you could go to. Let's get rid of the idea that that could be a possibility. And let's get rid of the idea of sin. The leader of the Saint Galen Mafia, Carlo Maria Martini, said the church has talked a lot about sin too much and the church has talked too much about the sixth commandment. So the idea is just really that things like sin and the soul and the four last things that we've been talking about, you know, in the books that we've been reading that have been changing our lives. That's, it's just kind of an illusion. It's just kind of something outdated and you want to progress behind that. And again, that's something basically, Sheen says, you know, Mark, Scott from Feuerbach, this idea that religion is just an illusion that's a projection of man's brain. So the relativism issue and then the materialism issue, I see it's being very germane to some of the ills going on in the church right now. Sorry about that. Paul, you've been digging into Belladot's past with all the red tape, the bureaucracy. You must have felt like an FBI investigator with Freedom Information Acts and the whole thing. How difficult was that? Or can you describe that to us? I guess is the best question to ask. Yeah, there's a lot to that. I started filing Freedom of Information Act FOIA requests on Belladot's FBI file through a friend, Bill Marshall, who's an attorney and an expert on this. I think I started filing him maybe three years ago. And it's really remarkable if you think about it, Tim. I mean, she died in 1969. And it's been over 50 years and her FBI file is still classified. It is, it's a huge file. We got, we ended up getting I think about 1200, about 1300 pages declassified. And even then, that's not all of them. And the whole list of all the different indices and everything else from all the different agencies that she spoke to, the open testimony, closed session testimony, there's just thousands and thousands of pages out there. And what I really wanted to find, Mary Nicholas and I, my co-author, we wanted to find anything that she might have said in particular about the infiltration of churches. And unfortunately, none of that was in the FBI file. Now, it's possible that it's still in some file somewhere that has not been declassified. But I also think that that could be affirmation of what we were told that she told Fulton Sheen. In fact, Alice von Hildebrand said this, Dietrich von Hildebrand, she, Belladot told them as well, that Sheen told her not to talk about it, not to name names. And this would have been too scandalous for the church. I mean, the idea that there's this ideology out there that was trying to ruin the world in the process of killing 100 million people, that the church had been condemning since 1846. And in 1937, the church in Divini Redemptorus called a satanic scourge orchestrated by the Sons of Darkness, Stalin's Russia, the idea that into that system, Communist Party USA might have put over a thousand communist men into seminaries. That's a scandal. I mean, that's really, really bad. And apparently what Sheen told her instead was, okay, what's done is done. Now go make reparation for it by telling the world about the dangers of communism. But there's a lot of material out there that is still sealed up. And it's a maze. I think you could spend probably the rest of your life going through the different layers of federal bureaucracy, trying to get declassified, all the different things that Belladot told Senate congressional investigators, the FBI, and other agencies of the federal government. And Father Carney, you even have some colleagues who are they skeptical of that story, that infiltration of communism into the Catholic Church, especially as priests? Yeah, there's about 10 years ago, I started to pick up on what Paul just mentioned about this infiltration. And I started to ask my fellow seminarians and even some priests and some comments were, oh, that stuff just, you just can't believe everything. And it was just dismissed at a hand without any kind of investigation. And when I was in the seminary, I would study the things that they gave me in the classrooms. But then I had a parallel study, basically was tan publishers, and the lies of the saints, and some of their classic books, like a 1025, I started to read these, these documents from Ann and other conservative books. And it's like, wait a minute, what I'm learning in the seminary isn't jiving with what we used to talk about a long time ago. So my being Irish, my, my fenders went up and I thought, no, no, no, I can't just dismiss this out of hat like some of my peers are doing. I like to do things right. And I like to get to the bottom of things. I'm an analyst by nature. And I started to see, wait a minute, there's, there's something that's, there's a parallel church that's happening within the Catholic Church right now. And I couldn't put my hand on it until I had been ordained for a few years. And as I kept reading about it, and there were more authors that would bring up this parallel church and this infiltration, it started to make sense until recently Paul's book and the book called infiltration, and just other sources. It's like, okay, we have this, this Trojan horse going on within a church, and there's an elephant in the kitchen. And we got to start talking about it because it's, it's causing souls to be damned to hell because we're not, we're not allowing the church to cut out the cancer and start to heal. So I, I'm really, when I found the devotion to the Holy face, I thought, aha, this is the devotion that is answering so many of my concerns that I've been having since I've come into this knowledge. You know, if I could add to that, Tim, the, I decided to do my own investigating as well. And as somebody who studied communism my whole life, I already knew about all the different congressional testimony by multiple sources, Manning Johnson, Ben Gitlow, Louis Boudin's, Herb Phil Brick, all under oath, many of them former communist members who testified to the infiltration of the Protestant churches. And so I knew about all of that. And I was aware of the alleged claim that Bella Dodd made. So I was not surprised to hear that about Bella Dodd. But I saw a lot of sloppy claims about it on the internet. So really, I decided to investigate myself. And people will see in the book, we quote people from Blessed Solanas Casey, talking about red infiltration of seminaries to Fulton Sheen. In fact, people listening right now, if you want you to listen to this, Fulton Sheen was on the front page of the New York Times on April 28, 1952. He spoke at St. Susanna Church in Rome, where he talked about the title was something to the effect of Sheen speaks of red infiltration of priesthood at church in Rome. So Sheen said that three weeks after bringing Bella Dodd into the church, hearing her confession and baptizing her at St. Patrick's Cathedral on April 7, 1952, three weeks later, he goes to Rome and makes that statement. It's the last time that I've ever seen that I have evidence of that Sheen talked about it publicly. And so I think Sheen learned after that he better zip it. It took the advice he gave to Bella Dodd. We better not talk about this again. But it was on the front page of the New York Times. It was on the front page of the New York Times. Sheen speaks of red infiltration of priesthood. So this stuff is documented. So for people who want to poo poo it and shrug it off, you need to do some research, man. The information is out there. You're just not aware of it. 70 years ago. And now here we are talking about it today. And Julia, speaking of doing research, you did a lot with the St. Gallimafia. And do you feel almost like Paul just mentioned there that a lot of people are just blind to this infiltration from the communist perspective especially? Yeah, I actually I want to quote something really striking that was in the introduction of Paul's new book on Bella Dodd. And this is something that Bella Dodd said. She said, if I send you a machine gun and tell you it is a baby carriage and I send it to you wheel by wheel and nut by nut and you do not know until you have assembled the thing that it is a machine gun and not a baby carriage, that is exactly what has happened to this country. We are being sold machine guns without knowing it is machine guns. And I think that just absolutely encapsulates the problem that we are up against because so much of this infiltration that we've been alluding to, it's of course done by stealth. It's done in a piecemeal kind of way. A lot of the agenda is piecemeal. It's the so-called baby carriage issue. It's nut by nut. It's wheel by wheel. So if there is an agenda going on in the church that has the spirit that harkens back to communism, Marx, etc., you know, maybe you'll get a little piece of it here where something about sin will be attacked and then you'll get another little piece of it here where something about the priesthood and the sacred character of it will be attacked and then you'll get another little piece of it there. One wonders at this point, for instance, about the, you know, we're talking a lot in the church about synodality and it's this very bureaucratic word that sounds not just kind of innocent, but kind of boring synodality, but these kinds of words like synodality, collegiality, decentralization. This is the vocabulary of the Sun call in mafia. This is their agenda and essentially, like if you really like look at it very carefully, you find that, okay, you're not going to get a baby carriage at the end of this. You're going to get something very destructive, essentially. So I think that we need further education about what's going on in our country and the church. That's the way that we can recognize that what is being constructed is actually something very lethal. Father Carney, I'm wondering if you could weigh in on that, the best ways that people can open their eyes. I would imagine you might suggest. I think most of us have probably heard of devotions to St. Faustina or the Divine Mercy, for instance, but not necessarily what you wrote about and where your expertise is the devotion to the Holy Face. Yes. So in the Old Testament, King Joseph that he sent the singing man in the vanguard on the front lines when Israel was totally outnumbered by three different armies and who sends men who sing to fight a battle? Well, that's what the great, the grandson of King David did. And what did the enemy do? They started to commit civil war on each other. And it's a beautiful message that if, if we get a number of people to be devoted to God in the way he's asking us to, by making reparation, like Paul mentioned earlier, of the sins of blasphemy, which communists are doing all the time and the revolution constantly are doing, going back to church again and turning around idolatry, the first three commandments, if we get a group of people that get devoted to the Holy Face of our Lord Jesus, this will be an army and Sister Mary St. Pierre was told by Jesus that you need to enlist the Blessed Virgin Mary as a general of this army. So there's specific blueprints of, okay, we know what the problem is. And, you know, like Julia said, we need to be educated and we're getting that from people like Paul writing your books in Julia. It's beautiful. Now the question is, how do we get out of this mess? And that's what the devotion to the Holy Face is all about is it gives us step by step by step, like we're little children and God's telling us, this is how you do it, my little children. This is how you're going to get out of this mess. So it's contingent on us getting on our knees and making prayers like the Golden Arrow Prayer, which is like shooting an arrow to wound the bosom of the heart of our Father in heaven, to wound the Sacred Heart so that the mercies will come out. So the key to the devotion to the Holy Face is asking God to fight this war for us against the revolution, against the Communism, the God Mafia, against the Freemasons, and against all these isms. And what these guys do, they name their revolution for whatever is going to be most appealing to their propaganda at the time. So they keep changing the name, but it's a it's a revolutionary group. And at the same time, God is the one that's sending us this punishment. So if we do what he says, he's going to be the ones going to start fighting the war for us like King Josephus Men did in singing in the vanguard. It's just beautiful. If you read to paraphernalia chapter 20, the enemy of Israel is so outnumbered, and they start turning on each other because men are singing the songs of David, how beautiful that is. And it's, for example, the cannons, secular, they're in Europe, but we have none in the United States. What they are are bishops and priests going to the future roles and chanting the Divine Office in the sea of each diocese. They don't exist in the United States because at the third plenary council of Baltimore, the bishops of the United States did not want to have them. So we don't have the church in its full splendor. And one of the devotions to the Holy Face is the Holy Face Chaplet. And its chief aim is for the triumph of the Holy Catholic Church. So it goes hand in hand with our Lady Fatima, who she asked us to pray the Holy Rosary for the triumph of her Maca Heart. So imagine these two triumphs happening. So this is how we get out this mess is by getting on our knees. And Bella Dodd got out of the mess of communism. Paul, she knew it would come at a great personal, special loss. Can you tell us how that happened for her? Why and how she did that? Yeah, she came out of it on her knees. In fact, she said it was only the church of her youth, the Catholic Church of her youth that brought her back. And there's a very moving moment we talked about in the book where it's 1951. And at that point, she dropped in on her congressman in Washington, D.C. Congressman McGrath from New York. And she was just wiped out and he could tell it. He said, Bella, isn't there anything I can do for you? She said, now I've got the KGB following me and the FBI, right? She said, I just don't know what you could do. And he said, how about seeing a priest? And she said, yes. She said it just came out from like the pit of her heart and soul. She said, yes. And McGrath turned to his secretary, Rose, and said, Rose, can you get ahold of Monseigneur Sheen over at Catholic University? So they called him up and he said, I'd be happy to receive Dr. Dodd over at my apartment this evening. So she goes to his apartment in Chevy Chase, knocks on the door, opens the door. And she said, he came out just like on TV. He has this big giant pectoral cross. And she said, instead of speaking to me in the language that I heard from the Bolsheviks, he didn't say to me, you old hag, you old Bolshevik bag, what are you doing here? Get the heck out of here. Instead, he said, come on in, Dr. Dodd. I'm glad to see you. And then he brought her in and he put his hand on her shoulder. And she just started a week. And she said about 15 minutes later, she doesn't even know how she got there. She found herself on her knees in front of a statue of the Blessed Mother in the private chapel in his residence. And he said, he gave her a rosary and said, I'm going to be going back to New York in the spring. Why don't you come see me for a private instruction to come back into the church? And she did. And he brought her back into the church that spring in April, 1952. But she literally swore under congressional oath when she was asked, how did you break away from the clutches of what she described as the devil of communism? And she said, only through faith, only through my church. That was the only way out. It's quite the story for sure. Go ahead, Father Carney. I'd like to add to that, you know, Paul, I just love your book. And Julia, I need to get your book, too. So her book is great, by the way. I'm sorry, I haven't read yours. I got it. I got to get yours. Well, you included the Ten Commandments of the Communists. Another priest. I said, look at this, Father, number one and number three. Here's number one, never forget that the clergy is the most powerful enemy of the communist state. Fulton Sheen proved that. And number three, convince your friends not to have any contact with priests. You see, the devil held a revolution. They're scared of us. They're scared of God. They're scared of priests. If we don't let the propaganda of these revolutionary men get in between our ears, because there's a battle going on inside here for all of us in the world, if we don't let that get to us and we see, oh, wait, let's go back to faith and see how valuable our priests are, we're going to win. And Saint John Marie Viani told us, if you knew how valuable and important the priest was, you would week with joy. So these are things that I'm so glad you guys are exposing the propaganda. And I think my job is to be like Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, who he preached the crusade to save the Holy Lamb. Well, I'm trying to preach a crusade to preserve the Holy Name of God, because that's how we change everything. And I was going to ask, and I think you just alluded to it, Father Carney, what we can do, what all of us can do now, practically, especially as Catholics, it sounds to me like you would suggest, make sure that you talk to your priests and hold them in high esteem. And is that the first piece of advice you would get? Yeah, I would say get close to the Catholic faith, really look into the traditional Latin Mass, which I say every day, I love it. And I would also say, enroll in the Archcomperternia of the Holy Face, and join the ranks with Saint Therese LaSue. She's such a popular saint. She's a missionary, but she never left the convent. She died at a young age. And she was one of the first members to enroll in the Archcomperternia of the Holy Face in 1885, when it was first established by Pope Leo XIII. So I think this is a way to get involved, because when we enroll into a confraternity like the Rosary or the Holy Face, there's spiritual grace that we share with the people in there. So to be involved with her mom and dad, the Martins, who are saints, that's a great clout of people to join ranks with, to fight against enemy. And in the Old Testament in Ezekiel, we have to have hope and faith and joy about the future, because God's got this taken care of. It's just continued on us. When there's only a few good people that are really trying to stand up for God's rights and to be just for their neighbor, it only takes a few good people to combat a large mass of evil people. So it's an exponential gain when we gain a few people into the ranks of the Archcomperternia of the Holy Face. So that's what I really want people to get from this hour is to think about the Archcomperternia of the Holy Face. If you haven't ever prayed the Rosary, our Lady of Fatima tells us this needs to be prayed for poor sinners, because people are falling into hell like snowflakes. And Sister May St. Peter, who was the chief, wanted to receive the revelations of the Holy Face. She also was told by Jesus, so many people are falling into hell and we need people to get on their knees. So as Bella died, Paul told us, she started to weep because her soul was yearning. It was so dry for the grace of God and it came through the priesthood. And that's how Jesus gives us the body of crisis through the priesthood. And the communist propagation machine, they're so good at making us hate ourselves. They're so good at making priests look like we are horrible people and there's a few of us that are. That's so true. But the majority of us are giving our lives. Most of us don't get married in the Latin right. And we are dedicated to be a bridge for people to walk on our backs. Like when we're ordained, we lay down on the cathedral's floor in the sanctuary, and that makes like a bridge for people to walk from the sanctuary towards Tabernacle, which is the east, which is the figurative gate of heaven. And we certainly owe you a large debt of gratitude for sure. Julia, can you give us some practical advice about what you think we should do to push back against Communism today? Yeah, I think it's interesting and important that Communism in the conscience of the West by Fulton Sheen, in the latter part, he talks about Fatima. And he doesn't, as far as I remember, he doesn't specifically talk about the first Saturday's devotion. But, you know, it's part of the message of Fatima. And he basically stresses that, you know, we know how the story ends. We know that the story of Fatima reminds us that we live in a moral universe and that there will be a triumph of good over evil. But I think it's important for us to remember that our ladies specified that we have a part to play in this. And I think the first Saturday's devotion is just something that we can do. You know, we can make the decision to do it. I can't make the decision about, you know, anything related to whether the consecration of Russia has happened and whether there needs to be a new one or anything related to that. I can't, I don't have the power to really address that issue. But I do have the power to get up and go to church on the first Saturday and pray the rosary, do some mental prayer meditation, and go to confession. And I think that and receive Holy Communion at Mass. So I love the first Saturday's devotion. I what I recommend to people is, you know, do it once and then keep doing it as often as you can. If you can do like a perpetual first Saturday's devotion, I think we'll get many, many graces for ourselves and for our world as well. Paul, any advice from you for Catholics people today to do their part to fight Communism? Well, I would quote probably three of the favorite words of Pope John Paul II, be not afraid. And, you know, he took a bullet on the feast day of Our Lady of Fatima, May 13, 1981, from a shooter named Ahmed Ali Asha, who was working for the Bulgarians under orders from the Soviet GRU and with the green light of Yuri Andropov and the KGB, the Communists actually tried to kill the Pope. They actually tried to murder the Pope. And he would he would go there to the people of Poland when they were surrounded by the Communist secret police. And people were chanting, we want God, we want God. He told them be not afraid. And that was certainly the motto effectively that Belladot pursued as well. She became this courageous witness who was smeared, you know, called anti-Semitic, a racist. Every, every, every phrase that they could come up with, they would call her a homophobe if they had the word back then, right? Every word in the playbook, but she pushed forward to fight against evil, an ideology that she considered like your church, eventually literally from the devil and fought on behalf of truth and good. So be not afraid. Excellent advice for sure there. So we apologize again for starting a little bit late today. We will wrap up here today before we do that. I was hoping, Father, you could give us your blessing. Absolutely. Amen. Amen. Wanted to let everyone know today's giveaway winner is Donna Sigia. She just won a bundle of books from Tan Books, those four books that we mentioned at the start of our roundtable here today. And for those of you who didn't win the Tan Talk discount or the discount I should say is Tan Talk 40. We'll get you 40% off of those books. Again, that discount code on our website, tanbooks.com is Tan Talk 40 and wanted to let you know next month's roundtable. Schedule for January 12th at 2 p.m. Saints for Our Times and Saints for 2023. Bishop Thomas John Paparaki from the Diocese of Springfield, Illinois about Sately New Year's resolutions, especially those concerning St. Francis to Sales, how the Eucharist can save civilization, as well going to be another great discussion. Again, really appreciate Father Carney, Paul, and Julia, Julia, you guys being with us. I'm Tim Hill in for Mary Harrell today and really appreciate you putting up with me. We wish all of you from all of us here at Tan, a holy advent, and a beautiful Christmas. We will see you next month here on Tan Books, the Roundtable. Thanks again for joining us.