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So I thought I'll tell you since primary school go back No, but Sydney city Hitch Yeah And I'm always had a nice fascination Spaniard is the infamous career criminal from Australia has a long history of illegal activities his elusive and cunning nature has earned him a Notorious reputation in the country's criminal underworld with multiple arrest and convictions to his name Spaniard's criminal career has left a trail of victims and Continues to be subject of interest and intrigue in Australia everywhere I want went in Australia. I was asked if I could capture experience Okay knives and I was well versed in the practice of knives since primary school um, I Was well versed in the practice of practice of knives is crazy statement So I thought I'll take this as an opportunity to go back to the school and do a siege So the very first time I got arrested was actually a fun one I went back to my high school and I took a kitchen knife and I held the school siege and I made national news was in the national newspaper I was raised here in Sydney city the inner city areas housing areas most all the flats housing commission houses My childhood was At a young age Was good at a good childhood Um your education My education Let's put it this way Most of the schoolwork I done was in boys homes juvenile detention to put in a perspective the level of my education Although I'm an exceptionally intelligent person considering my circumstances, but yeah Most of school I done was in boys homes in jail. Yeah It was fun Why did that happen? Why would you in boys homes in jails? Oh? Wow Depends on how Jordan Peterson you want me to get with this right now but um at the end of the day like I'm from the inner city area of Sydney and Crime and drug addiction is all part of the culture here or very much was members of my family were famous criminals and Good thiefs stuff like that drugs in my family. So it was inevitable for me to follow that path So as early as I could you know the age when you're out and about and you're allowed to hit the streets And everyone gets their character. You know some kids become skateboarders and 11 9 10 11 Okay, that's Chicago. Maybe like 11 12 13 It's probably nine realistic Some kids become footy players and some kids become career criminals and that's that's what I chose so I ended up in boys homes and Yeah Pretty much raised in boys homes. Yeah, but what was the first thing you've ever arrested for was the first crime you committed The first crime I committed the first thing I was arrested for two very different things But we'll talk about facts because the first time you got arrested was the first time you got caught for committing crime The first thing I was arrested for um, it was while I was still going Salvia says the first thing I was arrested for so I hadn't been a boys homes yet I'm still going to high school. I think I was in year eight 14 years old and I was um Stealing stealing mobile phones. You know mobile phones come we're talking the year 2000 here So when mobile phones just come out or the Nokia's you know playing snake so I used to go around stealing kids when all you had to do was just Sell a phone like now you can't even take a phone and do nothing with it. It's you take somebody home It's it's pointless. It's a paper way back then you could do something It's phones and whatever and apparently some Someone gave me up for stealing their mobile phone So I got suspended from school and I'm always had a nice fascination with knives And I was well versed in the practice of knives since primary school Um So I thought I'll take this as an opportunity to go back to the school and do a siege So the very first time I got arrested was actually a fun. Oh a siege Okay, I went back to my high school and I took a kitchen knife and I held the school siege and I made national news. I was in the national news paper Tell me about that story from the start you want to hear that story in depth Of course spent Spanion Why would we not want to hear that? so Like I said, the the first part's already been said someone gave me up I got suspended don't come back to school the next day. I went to the school, right got a kitchen knife and I thought I'll blend in what what my plan was was to find go door-to-door classroom to classroom with my kitchen knife and Sort of intimidate someone into admitting that they gave me up I wanted to know who gave me up. So, you know, I can do I don't know what I was gonna do to be honest Like I'll be straight out with you. I didn't go there with the intention is kill everyone. I'm not you know I'm not Charles Manson, but you know like I Want I just wanted to make a statement, you know, and I was at that age 14 years old, you know And then so I went there Class went man, I'm not even gonna lie what the way the world is now you could never do this You can never do this and walk out. I don't know like And I I went with my class like I wasn't suspended right and I presumed that I'd be able to blend in for a bit before they clicked on but anyway class went in and My very first class I walked in the door teacher turned straight to me and said my real name's Anthony, right? He's all know me as well. He's they know me. He's a learning me a Spaniard But yeah, my real name's Anthony. So teacher turned straight to me and said Anthony, you're not supposed to be here And I thought fuck I'm done already out of me. I'm already busted. I think we one second So I pulled my knife out and I let it commence from there. So I pulled out this big kitchen knife And I'm a turn to the class and I said no no no listen, which fucking dog gave me up Like who gave me up for stealing their phone? Oh, and it's some frets. I'll kill you your mother fuck is this and that whatever And everyone was just like oh like no no like oh, we don't know And then I fought so no one's like No one in that class admitted it. So I went I thought in my head I'll go door-to-door and do this, you know like along the classrooms along the hallway So I went to the next classroom burst. How big was the school like what did you have like a three a three-room class? After that first class it was probably over with it was on your butt It was on you did a door same thing same spill who gave me up I'll fucking kill you is blah blah blah. I made it to about the fourth class fifth class Mind you at the third this is I was improvising right? I was doing psycho improvising So when we got to the when I got to the third door the doors were unlocked like I could just open them But for dramatic effect. I was bootin. I was booting it open you know, so it's like a movie scene and I was booting that door would fly and everywhere and I'll kill you is all this and that But when I got to the fifth classroom there was a little bit of a struggle and Principle or whoever it was must have got word so they put a alarm over the system whatever like evacuation core And I just remember hearing on the on the radio like everyone to their so basically you was one of the first school Basically You was one of the first school threats Assembly area blah blah blah. I do this was like 23 years ago. So forgive me if I don't know every single word So everyone started running all the classrooms are clearing And I thought well this is getting a bit further than I thought so I thought I'll try to blend in You know, I was gonna leave it Okay, and I'm a pull my knife away and I had my school uniform on so I thought I'll try to blend in with everyone So I joined the evacuation and I'm evacuated And I remember kids saying like what's going on like is this a drill and I was answering them I was going Yeah, I don't know might be a fire or something. Yeah Anyway, so we got down the stairs and when we got to the assembly area in between all of the big buildings There was like 300 students there run and I come down the stairs trying to blend in and the print Advice principle whoever had the megaphone. I honestly don't remember I called me out straight away Anthony just let just go home like that And brah like I'm telling you like like I was gonna leave it at that they bring this on themselves So I'm standing there and then 300 kids look at me from my year to year 12 kids You know and I thought fuck like I'm gonna go with this. So it was it was the funniest scene But I was like brave. I was in front of everyone. I pulled out the knife again, and I'm like That's it. I'll kill you is all and the whole class scattered. All right This is where it started to get out of control. So I didn't plan for this The whole class know the whole school scatters and they're hitting the streets Like I'm talking kids are running in the streets like teachers are getting the kids like just leave the school premises So I'm chasing them and just like I don't want to stab anyone. Yeah, I mean it's it's not that serious So I'm just trying to scare people like it's not that serious. I mean as a kid you probably think like and I'm not trying to hurt nobody You already didn't took it to level 97 You got four gold police stars and GTA. It's up. It's serious for everybody else Swinging in their face, and if I'm catching them while they're running I'm kicking them in the back and stuff and I got to the main road and And all the students had ran this way the majority of them They'd run to the main road and I ran out and I was just gonna chase them down the streets and that and I noticed that the teachers Were at every residence doors like down the street and they were like bangin Like I'm like it's more serious than I thought you know and they were banging and they say let us in let us in There's like a murderer and so like there's residents opening their doors and like piling Packs of 30 kids in each house and then at that point. I thought look this is gone too far I better just like hook it. You know I was gonna step so I ran down the back of the oval on my way there. There was coincidentally My a class of my year 8 students playing softball down the back So they had like sports so they weren't part of this whole fiasco, you know, I seen them chase them off chase them over the fence and Literally just told us He thought it was gone too far. He seemed more students and then continued to chase One of the teachers or whoever at some point during this had gone and round up a whole bunch of public heroes Construction workers and all these idiots and they come chase me with a shovel and obviously bash me I'm a 14 year old kid. Even though I got a knife. There's like that many grown men with shovel So I got smashed with a shovel held on the floor News came There was like these news channel 7 news channel 10 news and then all police and that was my first ever arrest brother. Yeah It was very dramatic. I mean a listen At that point, where do you go from there? You already have to That's the that's one of the okay, I'm a word. There's funny, okay That's one of the craziest first arrest story. I ever heard of my life. You know Yeah, I got arrested for shoplifting that first and then from there it was just an ascending. No, you started here You started at the top of the arrest chain It your rest don't get no. I it don't get no crazy Manic and so first first ever arrest and obviously Obviously, you know, you if it's your first time arrested they let you off They weren't letting me off that one so I did up in boys homes I spent four weeks in boys homes for that and they let me out on some type of arm They evaluated me to be mentally unstable. So I can I can You probably are reformed. You're a better person, but I can clock it the way you telling this story is too much passion and You like reliving it you happy At that point they're giving me some order of counseling in the community So I got out after four weeks and that was my first ever experience brother And then what was next man? What was next huh? So after that, I think more I was just getting arrested So we're talking 14 from if you're talking my juvenile times 14 to 18 I spent most of that inside I think one time in my boredom inside a cell I'd calculated the amount of time I stayed out and this and that thing Do my juvenile period I was out for about eight months over that four-year period It was I can't tell you exactly each time what it was because there was multiple You know, I mean I was in and out three months in one week out six months in two days out stuff like that But um at that point in in time we were doing ram raids We're stealing shipboxes with screwdrivers smashing them through shops smashing them through offices loading it up with computers and Stuff like that during my juvenile period got done for a lot of arm. Yeah, rare raids breaking in is Yeah stuff like that what I feel like growing up in a in a city like Like the only normal thing that I heard was breaking and entering What was the juvenile centers like in this country because in London or the UK So that they considered be I guess even worse than the prisons just to everyone's point to prove at that age Hmm is it same hair or Yeah, I that's that's the first person that's ever really asked it that way after all of these podcasts that I've done That's a good question. I'll tell you what I find about juvenile compared to the adult system in Australia It's it's a lot more aggressive on a lower level So there's a lot more lower-end aggression in in juvenile Everyone's want everyone to fight over anything because the consequences in juvie are very small So you have a fight you go to yourself for the night, right? So people think they were fine over everything, you know, I mean this punch-ons four five punch-ons a day Because there's no consequences So you only got to get called a gronkia and like there was an old thing like if you call someone a gronk they got it That's it's on you know, I mean gronk. I'm just curious. What do you record things that taboo because I can hear people in the back You need to tell them hey listen quiet on set He in Australia means like I also got these Super sensitive studio headphones they can hear anything. So maybe not to them. Maybe if I had these on I wouldn't be able to hear How would you like? Trying to think how how how how how would they say bar gronk in England bar Whatever bra the gronk anyway point of the story is gronk is a disword So you chuck that out there the fights on people punching on all the time you go to yourself for the night You come back out everyone's friends in jail There's big consequences to fights like you have a fight you're going to say grow you lose all your property You're sitting in there for a month. You got no food. You got no TV. So people hold back on the fights a lot So there's way less fights, but when there is fights, they're a lot more serious so you got a contemplate that like If I'm gonna go if I'm gonna I'm gonna smash I'm gonna go to say great for how long I'm gonna getting good So in juvie people aren't getting stabbed people are getting this and that everyone's just yes It's like yeah, box. It's like sparring him there. Yeah, I don't mean spider training And then what was next in Spain so after doing four years in the juvenile system? Yeah, I've done about three and a half of those four years in the juvenile system and then I'm graduated to prison So when I was about 1617 I become a heroin addict. I'm starting injecting her 1617 You went from that to that. I'm glad you changed. I can already know you changed your life around because Rowan, which was all part of our culture around here in Sydney City heroin addiction thieving stuff like that and And so my crimes had changed accordingly, so I was doing a lot more junky type crimes low level crimes Become a heroin addict Funny this is this is funny is this may sound When you're growing up around these inner-city flats around here heroin was You know how you hear People say oh when we went to school your smoke all the cool kids smoke cigarettes and you sneak down and you smoke your Cigarettes behind your canteen and blah blah blah all those yarns That was heroin to us in where I grew up in the in the decade that I was a kid around So you telling me when you grew up as a kid in high school All the cool kids was doing dog. They was doing H Hey, yeah, we bout to ditch school and go do some H I'm in it's crazy. He are early 2000s It's like if you weren't on the heroin you weren't one of the boys as funny as that I don't want to be one of the boys. That does not sound funny man, Anthony That's not crazy to me coming from Chicago because that is like total opposite Pounds, but that's that's the truth all the other all the older boys that we looked up to The bank robbers the ram raters the searchers. They were all heroin addicts our peas were heroin addicts It was like becoming one of the boys It was almost to the extent that when we were all heroin addicts We looked at people that weren't on the heroin as grunks. It's like you're not even one of the boys Like you're not even on the gear. You're not even us and then you're not even shooting up, you know I saw that sounds ridiculous, and I know that's not the case for a lot of the world But here it was so that sounds absolutely insane to me Well, so you're not even one of the guys you're not you're not putting that better built around your arm Wrapping it with your teeth putting tension on it slapping your vein like you don't one of the guys. That's that's how that just sounded to me And there is no tragic circumstances in which I become a heroin addict I'm not trying to hide any pain or anything like that. It was like Almost like fuck. I can't wait to be a heroin addict. Yeah, bro. Where's the heroin that's showing one of the boys now? Let's oh, Gianna, man. Yeah. Yeah, that's it was just all part of the culture here Hmm and Lucky for me and barely any of the boys that I grew up with in these circumstances. I This is like the second dude from Australia that is just like outrageously wild like mark chopper read and then this dude is like Yeah What's really going on here? I end up getting off on when I was 21 in prison Um But a lot of the most and most all of the boys haven't and their lives have suffered accordingly Their life is in jail 15 20% of them are dead Yeah, how did you get off the heroin was it? I know he said he was in jail Mm-hmm How did I get off off? the heroin one day by like in the midst of my Junkiness whatever you want to call it. I'm down at a prison out in the country doing an 18-month sentence whatever far from home jumped off my head and And to that extent I never had a perspective of me being a junkie in my head I was spanish from Sydney city the mad money maker The good-looking can't you know what I mean like I was fresh. I was violent I was the man in my head right because being a heroin addict was so normal that it didn't come into it didn't come into play One day, but I don't ask me what right one day. I walked in myself. It was locked in It was like 10 11 o'clock at night by myself in a cell little shaving mirror that we got in our cell Looked in at a million times brother. I walked past there and I looked in the mirror and this sounds corny But this is the fucking truth. I walked in it in that one split second This is why I say I don't know if it was a psychosis or divine intervention. I've seen the true me I looked in that mirror and I seen a full ugly Putrid junkie loser like that. I seen I saw I looked and I was like I'm not gonna argue with you That's what you seen and that's what it was. I'm glad you've seen it early. I Shit myself was like what the fuck I spent in that night Two or three hours staring at myself and I didn't know what the fuck was going on in in two hours My whole perspective of myself had changed and I was embarrassed of Myself I was embarrassed of the way I looked. I was embarrassed of what I had become Even my perspective of the boys in the wing with me so in the wing when we get released I thought yeah, I'm in the prison wing. You know where all this and that I thought everyone was mad there. I thought prison was the collection of all the sick in Sydney You know what I mean? If you're in prison, you're a mad And I walked out even the next day skipping forward to the next day I walked out and every lad that I looked at my mates the randoms I just looked at as a pack of future junkies like I don't know what happened to me in that hour But it changed my whole perspective. I'm not saying it changed my perspective of crime If anything had led to me being a better criminal, but it changed my perspective on myself and that night Listen here carefully. I was addicted to buprenorphine, which is the substitute for heroin addiction So like methadone the tablet version heroin Injecting injecting since I was a teenager, right? And that's the hardest thing to beat needles People think the certain drug is the hardest thing to overcome But the feeling of putting that still in your arm and injecting it and whatever substance it may be hitting you instantly Is a very addictive thing. In fact, I might say it's more addictive than a substance themselves. I gave that up cigarettes The science of it all makes sense of what he said the instant gratification over the weight See what he's talking about. I've never partaken but I'll smoke him back then we had pouches white ox, you know smoking hundred hundred and fifty cigarettes a week Whatever all on that same night. I said to myself in that two hours are looking in the mirror I said to myself. I promised myself that I'm gonna be the better criminal. I'm gonna be fit I'm gonna be sexy. I'm gonna be a mad moneymaker all of this money that I'm out here making I prided myself as some mad moneymaker. Yeah, I'd steal your laptop. I'd break it doing ran raid and few And I give all the money away to drug dealers. I was a bum and I promise to never be a bum again. I promise to never be ugly again I promise to never be a shit fighter again So I come out the next day and I gave all of my stuff away. We had syringes I had syringes hidden in the kettle drugs in my mattress whatever I had I gave I said to the boys I got take everything out of myself. They got excited. They thought it was Christmas that I flew in rip myself to shreds And they thought I was spinning out and I might have been spinning out And they looked at me like even a couple of them that actually had careful me said like bro Don't give all your stuff away, bro. Like are you spinning out? Like you're gonna be sick You're gonna be hanging out. I said mother take it. Don't ever say that to me again and from that You're hard-core enough to be in jail. You're hard-core enough to quit cold turkey then if that's what you're gonna do Day that was in September 2007 I was 21 years old and I have been off drugs cigarettes no alcohol. No nothing now for Since 2007. What's that 15? And I was 16 years 16 years bother. I Hung out like obviously I withdrew hanging out. We call it. I withdrew very strongly For a week and a half. No sleeping couldn't stand up and I loved every moment of it I loved every moment of it people people and people ask me nowadays because I had this goal I'm gonna be the jug dealer. I'm gonna be the one taking your money Ain't no cap. I like this dude. I Like this dude I don't know what it is, but I like I'm gonna be the one fucking your girl. I'm gonna be the one doing this dude That's gonna be me. It's not gonna be other people anymore. I'm not letting that happen to me I'm gonna be the goat of the hood. Y'all know main I'm the hood superstar and that's been that was my intention for a long time and people say to me because Like I said to a lot of people it's a big dramatic thing. Wow you were injecting heroin since you were 1617 like wow, how did you get off it? And they asked me until today. Do you get cravings? Do you get cravings like do you ever do you see heroin and it's like oh and crumble and I'm like listen Let me tell you one perfect way of saying it. All right If you've been eating something right, I've said this before if you've been eating shit for 10 5 20 30 years, I don't care how long you've been eating shit You thought it was bubble gum looks like bubble gum tastes like bubble gum You put it in your mouth and it choose like bubble gum and I come to you one day Just like what happened to me in the cell and I knocked the dust off that bubble gum and I show you That shit look you thought it was bubble gum. What are you gonna do? You're gonna say this you're gonna go yuck yuck yuck and you're gonna go wash your hands You just notice that shit Then I say to you Do you crave that anymore because you've done it for 25 years? What are you gonna say? Of course, I don't fucking crave it. It's shit. It don't matter how long I've done it So that's what happened brother. And that's how I can be here 15 16 years later, and It ain't a thing you know what I mean If you could go back in time, would you were never took sharing? If I could go back in time would I've never touched heroin? I don't regret touching heroin I don't regret it because I tell you one thing, bro When you go back in time and not do things at the end of the day, I'm here right now and my life's sweet What if I didn't touch heroin if I didn't touch heroin this is an opportunity simple I get it. It's a part of your legacy. It's a part of what made you it's made you who you are today It was a vital step in your mental Which eventually helped you this is real Right at the end of the day. I'm here and I love who I am and I love what I've done If I didn't touch heroin when I was 16, maybe I would have been playing footy and crossed the road and got killed How can you say you know what? I mean like the life choices that you make are your path I could have been anything in the world Including dead so I'm happy that I'm here and I have two healthy children and I have a good life And I'm alive So how can I take anything away anything of your past you take away or switch? You're probably gonna end up dead. You know what I mean? And then what was next for you Spanion? after that After me getting off heroin So when I got off heroin That didn't change the criminality in me at that point in my life So I was 21 years old if anything I emphasized the criminality after that like I told you I wanted to be a better criminal So my goals had gone from being the lady in the hood that stabs everyone and Makes the money, but he's on on the drugs. I want it to be the smart I want to be the smart can't I want to come with the cars the jewelry this and that and that was my goal And I set out on a mission and I couldn't wait to get out of prison Thought about it every day every time I was in prison when I get out. I'm gonna kill it I'm gonna kill it. I'm gonna kill it and stop the violence because The violence is out of all the types of crime and this is what I say to people People would like to see me now because of what I do and I tell my prison stories and my story is like a story of redemption in a way They confuse me with like, you know, like I'm someone out to save the kids They confuse me a lot with that but I just tell it how it is and what I say to kids is I'm not gonna tell you Kids to not be a criminal. I'm not a policeman and I never will be and I'll never tell someone not to be a criminal But I will tell you one thing for my lessons. Don't do violence and rubbish crime Don't make money do something. That's worth it Imagine being a dickhead that sits in jail for 25 years for stabbing someone. What a fucking loser cause you He's been fax low key and sound crazy what he said, but he's been fax Like dang bro, you you locked up for what you said you locked up for what? All that money out there you locked up for what? Didn't even make money. He didn't even have a mad life. You know how many idiots are sitting in jail? Pretty much. Let's put it like this. What are you in jail for? Oh because this lad thought he was tough And what happened? I was tougher than him. Oh So what happened? Oh, and I got 25 years for being tougher than him. Good on you, mate See you later, brother. What a loser at least if there's like at least if you in jail in jail What did you do our boss killing it outside at this car all these women everywhere swear I've got money. I'll get out to her. So that's my only the only thing that I say and the reason I say that at this point In this yarn is because that was my intention after that. So I only just turned really money focused with my crime and Still end up in and out of jail for it End up being a drug dealer fairly successful drug dealer selling heroin and cocaine Done exactly what I wanted to do switch the circumstances and done it to the best of my ability and was good at it Still got arrested. That wasn't that good. Hey But anyway, that didn't bother me cuz because I felt like I belonged in jail So going back to jail was nothing at that point in time the times have changed now I don't feel that way anymore But um, yeah, that's what happened directly after that I got out and become a worse criminal and done bigger sentences So then my sentence has started jumping from 18 months a year here to like Four years six years or the last sentence was like six years and so in fact Sometimes like your way of thinking it's better to be a shit criminal. You know what I mean? Yeah Can you tell me what was your worst memory of being in prison? Worst memory of being in prison If you're thinking of it in some dramatic sense, what is the most violent thing this and I if you're thinking of it in some spiritual sense, they're two very different things, but in the most dramatic sense um was probably the first time that I was within e-shot of an attempted murder like didn't die. I might pretend he did but um My very I was only so where was I I was in Parkley prison. I was 18 or 19 first or second time in and The cell right next to me and we share airway. So if you fight in one cell, I'm breathing it in in this cell that's how close we are and it was like quarter to six in the morning and I think from what I could hear The two cellies over there didn't know each other and the one on the top bunk kept jumping down He mustn't add cigarettes and sneaking in matey's like on the bottom bunk sneaking in his pouch and like stealing a cigarette Stealing a cigarette and I just heard that I just heard a commotion But you you just had your fucking animal cigarette blah blah blah anyway long story short with a little argument You know about the cigarettes. He just went in a full stab fest on him and it's not that the stab fest was Scary to me like when I was 16 17 whatever 18 19 I was known for stabbing people a lot of the times I was locked up was stabbing people attempted murder I feel like it's still shocking Even even though you a part of it and you do this type of stuff like it's still shocking to hear it being done and For so little of nothing It isn't stuff like that but um it was the reaction and the the rawness of the bloke who was getting stabbed and He was like this was a grown man the bloke that was getting stabbed may have been about 35 40 years old and he was like crying in a way I never heard someone cry before and Ask him for help crying for his life in a way that was like directed to the skies And it was a very like it made me very like sad and I'm Scared myself like I you know what I mean because I was in a cell next to it So it's almost like I was there the wings dead silent and it's just like a lad He's just repeatedly stabbing someone. I can hear the stabs. That's not the thing It was just the way the bloke reacted. He was like crying like it was his way out You know what I mean? Like there was nothing left and the rawness of his voice and his cry It were like sent chills Sent chills down my body like it was um It had me like Had me shook it had me shook for a lie you heard that boy calling for God God answered him cuz he said he was still alive That's tough for a few days. I remember that morning just being shook like what the it was the first You know when you in the first time in your life, you see the savageness of life You know us in you know in the Western world and Australia and America and England and that and we're not used to that shit You know what I mean is as gangster as we are as this we're not used to that just complete savageness Carnival that Carnal nature Let's say Carnal Carnal nature. Yes, you know what I mean like people chopped up and shit like That was my first experience of someone reacting like that and that left me shook I walked around like a different person for two days. I was like really like It was weird like an anxiety is like by that's fucked like that that's fucked and then I got over and then got used to it Yeah, so for that reason that there was a very dramatic moment in my jail career No, it's crazy. Like that's what that's what prison changed you in that sense. You heard what he said He said I went through that. I seen it. I got over it and it changed me And I got used to it I mean so it inevitably it changed you it changed how you look at life and death It changed it changed Your emotional mindset like you changed it and I was 18 years old, whatever There's well, what would you say is the most genius or the most then they had the most dangerous crime that you were sentenced for as an adult most dangerous Yeah, all right, so before I had come to terms with Lowering the violence a little spectrum out in my head money and violence, but they know they don't work hand in hand But they know go good together. They don't so when violence used to be here and money used to be there I used to be a bit of a psycho, right? I'm actually a clinically diagnosed high-range psychopath whatever the fuck that I could I told y'all earlier That's very like I told y'all within the first three minutes like brother crazy The way he moving is a little bit crazy even though he's changed his life. You can see the crazy on They reckon I don't really care got me 10% off my sentence. So I'm happy, you know what I mean Are you happy being a psychopath? Yeah, I got 10% off that's it, but um, I Remember one time one of my mates And I was a bit stupid with the knives and that so one of my win jail I'm getting out in eight months eight months to go my mates on the phone to a girl Talking to the girl the girls boyfriend found out that he's ringing that whatever so I'm over here and He jumps on he's arguing with my mates. Stop bringing my fucking girlfriend this and that my mates bar shut the fuck up I ring who I want blah blah blah bullshit Argument and I thought look I'll jump on and I'll bridge up so I jumped on okay. Listen dickhead fucking What are you gonna do about it? Who are you? You're nobody I'll get out or fucking smash your head in I'll kill ya. That's what I said to him Silly me I took it serious eight months later I For remembered it's like I wrote in my diary cause these is I swear on my fucking children's life drop dead right now It's bro. It's probably on the phone just capping Capping acting tough a quick call on my girl Who is this Jody? Jody, that's my girl watch when I get out of My bad Y'all ain't never seen baby boy with Snoop Dogg was calling Yvette and Jody picked up the phone when he was in jail My bad like I didn't literally write in my diary about what I mean. It's like it's like I put in my diary All right, I told this bike. I'm gonna kill him. So I'll get out and kill him Eight months later. I got out on the day that I got out of jail I mean that when you get out you don't even you the only thing you get out You leave all your property for the boys, but you take your personal letters and photos, right? Makes sense I hadn't even been home to drop off my personal letters of photos yet So I'm walking back down the hood my mom lived outside the hood. All right, I'll walk back down the hood No, I'll go home later Go to my mates house Stash the letters and stuff. I get a change of clothes put some shoes on because you get out in thongs and I'll talk to my mate half an hour small talk. Yeah, but I was going on this and I go Hey, but where's he's gonna go knock these I've been out for hour promise ya So I went down his house He wouldn't come out wouldn't come out. He didn't have a clue who I was mind you in his head eight months ago He's not gonna remember arguing on the phone with someone in my head. It's like yeah, it's going down, bro So he's like who the fuck are you? I'm like brah. I told you brah months ago buzz when I get out gonna kill you He wouldn't come out. I went to the petrol station. I filled petrol up. Don't ask me why Walk him back with petrol is gonna burn his house down and my mates the whole way my mates that's with me He's going dickhead you're on camera at the petrol station. Don't do it. I'm saying yeah, he's right. All right He's right. I wasn't gonna do it but when I got there I still wanted to splash petrol on it for dramatic effect and then I'm he come out Holding his two kids like a little bitch He runs inside his house gets like a baby and a little five-year-old girl Whatever and goes look brah I'm here with my kids and so it's all right brah So I said fucking wait, honestly, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it Now that is that is one of the moves where you like bro. That's some But at the same time you was not letting up You was not letting up. You were clinically declared insane The only thing he could appeal to Was your compassionate side of you? That's it. There's nothing else because you were clinically insane was gonna work Hey It worked That's all I say. Yeah, bruz. I'm gonna kill you. I watched this went up the street. I still couldn't let it go Dumb like I'm not saying this is smart crime saying I'm telling you this because how stupid I was still wouldn't let it go So I went to the shop got a box cutter right $2 box cutter and I thought fuck I'm gonna wait till this comes out of his house and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna stab him right I'm gonna stab him right not kill him. Whatever brah. Anyway, it's not cool. I'm just gonna give him a flesh one look kill because Yeah, let's just say I'm gonna stab him So I went up the straight. This is the funny part. I went up the straight So I went up the straight and waited in the bushes. So I know if he comes out There's only one way to the shops and to where the boys are selling yandee He has to come past these bushes. So I sat in these bushes with a box cutter ready to stab this idiot for like three hours I swear more than two hours almost three hours and he rode past on that's not shocking my push bike I Jumped out pulled him off the push bike punched him in the face stabbed him in the neck and hooked it and um Wait, he's dabbling in the neck and hooked up. What? By punched him in the face stabbed him in the neck and hooked it. What does that mean and um, I End up on the run for it. Yeah, so Yeah End up on the run so the dickhead gave me up told the police and this and that You know what? I'll give him this credit. I'll give the bloke this credit He tried to lie to the police he tried to tell the police he fell off his push bike, right? Because he's one of the boys apparently so we're not that willing to give each other up to the police You know so at least he had an attempt of not being a dog, right? Said I fell off on on the push bike they left before he got his neck all stitched up They done an extra on his neck to clean it out and two two segments of the box cutter had broken off in his neck So I hit him with force and it snapped two segments and they was still in there Fucking and it's what got me done So they pulled box cutter out of his neck and so they rang the police back up and said mate this bloke See he's got box cutter in his neck so they come back and they were I don't know if any of y'all know that but You know box cutters They you can break them off once one one when one side gets dull if you press press them up against something It breaks off and another piece comes so that's what he's talking about I used to work in a factory is why I know that information So we're hitting him before these frets mate. We know you got stabbed You got half a knife in your neck and then like a fucking coward He goes you spun you and stuff me so anyway, yeah, but well, that's it So I ended up getting charged for attempted murder for that wound with the intent to murder is the exact name of the charge But I thought it in court and I got a hung jury jury couldn't decide went to the second trial and That they the prosecutor before the second trial offered to lower the charge so I don't go through a second trials very expensive for the government, you know how it works and So they offered me a charge of recklessly wound Which is the lowest possible charge you can get for stabbing someone So I'm going from the second highest just under murder intent to murder to the lowest And I'm already on remand for 18 months at this point. So I thought fuck, you know what I mean? Like I couldn't have that long left recklessly wounds not that bad of a charge. So you already on the man Listen to you in there And I got three and a half on the bottom so I had to do another two years Which is a good result because if I if I committed to the trial and then lucky got found guilty out of got eight nine ten eleven years So at that point I'm thinking about could get out in 18 months two years. Let's do it. So I put guilty and That was probably in that sense. You're asking the funny violent crimes. That was probably the most dramatic one. Yeah Spaniard. Hey dangerous. Would you say the streets of Sydney are in certain areas? Good question because I'm curious to know All right How dangerous are the streets of Sydney Sydney Sydney culture has has Sydney Sydney gain culture Sydney crime culture has changed a lot, right? 20 years ago early 2000s late 90s Sydney was more of a Sydney verse the coppers Fuck the government Sydney was more about ripping off banks Flying through the streets in stolen cars a big fuck you to the police cop and chasers this and that We didn't have we weren't working in gangs to fight each other We didn't turn each other. No one gave a fuck about what your postcode was it don't matter who gives a fuck No one cared about the number of people in your gang or what's your gang's call? That wasn't a thing it was who you are and how you hold yourself and how much money you make and you know That was what it's about that has changed a lot. All right, Sydney culture Sydney gang culture and crime has changed a lot And nowadays it is a lot like that. It's it's a lot. It's people in Sydney in gangs Fighting each other people fighting over the fucking name of their fucking suburb and the stupid postcode They have and stuff like that. So now they're into now you get around Sydney. You don't see banks get unrobed You don't see WRX's and Nissan Skyline GDRs flying through the streets with 30 highway patrol behind them You don't see none of that good crime no more. You see fucked crime You see people in one suburb killing people in another suburb and people just fighting amongst ourselves now But unfortunately, I'm sure they all have their reasons why and I'm sure it's really heartfelt But it to me it's disappointing right like yeah, it's people are murdering each other Yeah, that type of crime is very disappointing man All the time now, you know like in a lot of parts of Sydney Drive-bys it's not such a knife thing. I know he's a from England and you love knives here. It's guns, right? Not gonna pretend. That's like Compton or something relaxed, but the guns aren't legal here But people still have guns, right? So but there's suburbs out in Western Sydney. There's drive-bys Every three days There's big wars out there lads are like knocking each blowing each other's heads off in the streets And the police aren't even reporting it anymore. Like when I lived in Chicago. I remember I just moved from Chicago Yeah, 11 months ago when I first when I the last neighborhood I lived in they were all pretty you know Crazy, but the last one I Moved in there and they were in the middle of a gang war didn't even know First day, I tell a story all time first day First day I move in it's a drive-by D Second day second night. I'm talking like the next week or two at night shootings every night. I'm like rough There's a good night slept like a baby still having she gone on here like Yeah, there's some fucking MS-13 type shootings out here where people are like demolished bodies and that but um Yeah, I To me it's disappointing, you know, I like that old Sydney. It's like us versus police. How good do you drive? What bank can you rob? How many stackers can you make? You know what I mean? And so Spaniard, I guess when did the life when did you make that change to become who you are today? How did I become An Australian famous personality as well Went I was when I said who should I interview your name came up more of course more than anyone I'm the personification of Australian culture Australian Street culture. I was there since the beginning I like how you just said that I am the personification of this. I did this This me my foot. Let's say it again the person if I said who should I interview your name came up? Of course more than anyone I'm the personification of Australian culture Australian Street culture I was there since the beginning the boys who are one generation older than me I call the older boys with the originators of the way we talk the way we dress the way we hold ourselves So I was a kid witnessing that firsthand. That's been filtered out through the generations now So a lot of people admire me for what I'd witnessed and what I done in my life So During my last sentence I was over crime right for the reason that I'd been a junkie at the bottom that would steal your handbag And steal your laptop out of the car as small as you can get to Okay, I know you're getting real serious right now, but I got a question if you happen to see me reacting to this Can you please answer? The tattoo like I'm bald headed. I'm bald. Let's start with that. So It looked like your baldness is by choice at a glimpse at the first glimpse But I don't know how long you have that tattoo across your lining But my question to you is Is that the tattoo lining? But with the dots I ain't gonna lie. It looked clean It looked clean. I Couldn't do it because you know just for the simple fact because you know Like it don't look right on me. Obviously my hair don't even grow in that type of but it's like I'm just been wiped. I'm being curious this whole interview a good-looking muscley drug dealer with chains and cars coming out My ass, right? I've done it. So and the last drug the last sentence was like just under six years five years ten months Whatever for that. So I sat in there in my last sentence and I thought look, I'm not a fucking idiot I'm not gonna play the same game over and over like I'm 31 years old 36 now. This is five years ago. I'm 31 years old I've given away my teenage years. My entire 20s was in prison. I ended up doing 13 years in prison 13 years all up boys homes and prison over the course of 17 years. So I missed everything Anyone that I could have become Anything that I could have done up until that point was stoned in the bin and I said to myself like What do I what do I do from here? Do I get out? And I be a cool drug dealer again Like oh, yeah, Matt. I just do that all again and it's like what's there to do so for fuck it That's it. I'm gonna live my life now. You know what I mean I had a kid by then who my son was born while I was in prison I got out. He was already in primary school missed all of that. I thought that's it, bro You know, I'm moving on. There's more to Anthony. There's more to spanish than a fuck. We're in prison. So Did I know what I was going to do? No, I didn't but I knew what I was not going to do That's how I felt That's how I felt at the end of doing whatever I was doing in my path. I was like, yeah I know I don't want to do this no more You know I'm saying let me focus on something else man because at the end of the day It's not gonna lead you nowhere that you want to be It's not gonna do nothing for you. Yeah, you got this glamorous life for a little bit Yeah, you got money you got this you got that you know saying you got real I want to say you've got no worries, but to the average person looking from the outside in You got no worries But that's don't be worth it at the end of the day man, especially when you get to having kids Like the possibility of not being there far outweighs any type of instant gratification, you know I'm saying so I'll tell you this one thing Since 2002, I remember I was 16 in our back start juvenile detentions and I started rapping I started rapping brass started writing verses like do you know what I mean? And I used to admire bone thugs and Wu-Tang when I was young Hey Right try to write like fast like crazy bone my favorite rapper ever but right with the intelligence of inspector deck top three favorite rappers ever and Back then in Australia up until very recently Wrapping was for fucking idiots Wrapping is something a fucking idiot does jail Boys homes if if you're rapping if you go to one of the boys and you start saying yeah, but it's and that you know Vlad that they're like, but shut the fuck up 50 cent. You're an idiot like are you a spinner? You know what you need medication like wrapping ain't cool. So wrapping was a secret thing that I done from 2002 to 2015-16 whatever I noticed Around 2016 17 coincidently when I got out my last time and didn't want to do crime I noticed that Aussie hip-hop was a thing amongst the younger generations and I was already Had stacks of raps like this above. I'm og at wrapping lad You know what I mean? So I started putting out raps if I'm not gonna do it not know what I'm doing out here But I'll get my brother to hold a mobile phone and I'll chuck it into iMovie and I'll chop it up And I'll upload some shit wrapped to YouTube and a brand it worked it worked by the and I started out wrapping lad and Learned what Instagram was I learned fucking what all these stupid things were you know that I want today I'm famous on Instagram and tiktok and all these dumb things and I'm alone about it made a YouTube channel and Started wrapping and I got a big following here and I think more than my raps. I think what they admired was who I was They admired who I was Who you are is gonna take you very very far That's how I be trying to tell people that be starting this stuff. They're like, oh, I want to do this I want to do that man. First of all, who are you? You gotta let people know who you really are who who like muffins gonna stick around on respect you way more once they know Who you are? You know saying if you instantly get on internet and start capping the internet is gonna know your capping period They gonna know you to not tell him truth so And the stories that I have and and you can imagine I'm sitting here with a bunch of rappers that haven't been seen Or heard one-tenth of what I have done. So I got out and like I think they seem like Oh, look at this rapper. He's the real one or however you want to say it, you know So I played that part and the very first time I got up, you know I got a following 40 50k Instagram followers, whatever and One time someone interviewed me someone asked me to do an interview and I didn't know like interviews like interviews You know someone wanted to make a doco Pretty much similar to what we're doing right now except they were sitting on the side of a street in my hoodie Well, I'm alone. You know as the first time I ever done one And I and when you're in prison When you're in the streets, you come from you know that old saying you I don't know where the fuck everyone gets it from Probably some fucking movie, but it's like real gangsters. Don't talk real G's movie in silence. You know that shit So I grew up with that shit knee that mentality. You know what I mean? Like I'm real I'm not saying anything, but I can't talk about nothing, but it's There's no honor amongst I do agree with the saying but like there's if you really get down to it There's there's never been honor among steves It's you know, so For Bronx, huh, but I did, you know, and I was a big thing to overcome and he's sitting there with the camera And he's saying so like what did you do when you were young like? Searching and prison much like you're asking me wrong on the street level people might keep it silent But when you get up in the in the higher The highest point of criminality People is flipping turn states witness. They're not good. No, no, they're not going to jail Right now and I was there by and I was like fuck should I be saying these stuff and I said Brian I just telling my own story not talking about other people's stories. I don't have to I've done enough for myself You know what I mean? I could go on for days if you want me to by when he got two hours, brother, but um Tell him my story what I've been through and what I've overcome and the first time I've done that The gates opened and I noticed that all of these My followers Whatever demographic they're from they don't give a fuck about rap They want to hear about me and my life and my perspectives and you know They want to know their history of Sydney City and its streets and how we become who we are and what makes that What makes the lads in Sydney different from the rest of the world and how we prided ourselves. They loved it So the first time I spoke Boom gotta find Brody channel man, cuz I'm actually I'm not even gonna lie to you I've been kind of interested in Sydney Street culture, man Because a lot of people got this to say about it a lot of people got that to say about it But why not hear from the you know hear it from somebody that's in it? You know saying And me I'm not here to judge. I'm just here to listen. You know my whole basis is like comparing Whatever your body else is going on in the world to Chicago, so Oh Hasn't stopped since here. We are free three years later, but I'm three years later, but that's a huge Spaniard could you tell me what's the worst memory of your life, please? The worst memory, you know, it's one of these two things In 2008 I was in prison, of course on the other side of the state and my older brother he was a heroin addict and He overdosed and died and I'm pretty sure he overdosed in die. He overdosed and died in his bed at home and I'm pretty sure it was a suicide He was a well-versed heroin addict had been a heroin addict a long time Heroin addicts know how to not overdose when heroin addicts overdose is usually through reckless behavior Through moods that they're in you know what I mean It's it's actually not that easy to overdose on heroin despite what you may believe He overdosed on heroin and I was in prison and they didn't let me go to his funeral so I dealt with that Molder brother overdosing and though my the only man in my life my dad was long gone That's crazy because you was a little bro So I know you looked up to your brother brother the way my little brother look up to me And I know that killed you. I know it. I know it did All right, pretty brother the only man in my life Overdosed and died Brian. I wasn't there and every day I dealt with my mom She could barely talk she could barely breathe on the jail phone in six-minute intervals asked if I could go to The funeral and because I had an escape risk on my file over silly shit They didn't let me go so that was obviously a very hard point in my life and another Thing that always sticks with me is that so In 2011 my missus at the time was pregnant. I got locked up. I didn't get out until 2017 My son was born a few months after I went to jail or whatever. I got out. He was like five years old in school already So I missed everything he knew me from jail visits and he loved me and he loves me before my with all his heart You know what I mean? and I got out and I went home and him and his mom were there who's my ex-partner now and But this this shatters me and I Walked in like, you know, I walked said I lay like and I walked up into his bedroom And it's his bedroom, bro. And it's my five-year-old son showing me his bedroom for the first time and I'm Hey, it'd be hard It'd be hard talking about your kids. I'm already knowing I Can't even think of like I can't even You know I'm saying like the thought of me being not in my daughter life make me get like that So I get it and he's showing me his toys and shit and he says to me he turned to me and Without the context, this doesn't sound sad, but I'll tell you why it's sad He turned to me in the middle of show me his cool room and he said dad. I love you Sorry about one sec. He said dad. I love you. Can you keep me forever? You're like he was a pet He said that so So he's been waiting to say it the whole time, right? Can you keep me forever? And I said of course I can keep you forever my boy And the reason that's so sad to me is that it sounds deep without content like a year after that me and his mom broke up we don't get along and I've never really got a long sense and You know like she barely lets me see him So it's like I lied to him, you know Like I like he said can you keep me forever and I and I lied and here I am and I was like I'm barely allowed to I'm I can see him don't get me wrong, but like A couple hours here couple hours there, you know, so that's like you can tell from my reaction to that That's more sad than even my older brother dying. Um, yeah, but there. Yeah, anyway, ah They're the two saddest parts of my life, but I don't feel sad for myself Or any of my life or the prison that I've done 13 years in prison seen horrific things done horrific things. I don't feel sad for myself. I feel happy about my life I don't care jail doesn't affect me after all that job made me into the man I am and I'm out of your making stucco's off the internet while everyone else who didn't go to jail He's digging holes in the street, aren't they? So I can't be too sad. Can I? No, but but you're entitled to be sad my boy You're entitled to that you can't be too sad, but you are entitled to be as sad as you want to be Period To see a son fat one wish fat one wish it's just to have my two sons forever more kids and Have a more happy and protect them teaching to be real men and women if I have daughters And they help us see it. There's nothing else. I don't care. They're nothing else other than that And if you know like to say, um, that's a hard one. Yeah I'm very good at talking when you the director, but when you leave it very open-ended like that. I'm like There's too many lights. There's too many cameras brown lost now No, no, no much but I I just it's just me Spaniard You want to know what Sydney city is about? Have a look at me, brother the personification of it, you know Yeah, we do say get a mate shrimp in the fucking Barbie or whatever the fuck you think we say here But we also talk like me. I am Australia. I'm Sydney city lad was still one bar. We're not to be fucked with That's one of the coldest Indians I ever heard I'm gonna follow