 Rhaid i amlio'n gwirio. Dyna'r cymbug yn gweld Lundin strongly ym Mhlannos. First of all, Vick, gwi'n wneud am lawer o'r cwrin o ran hynny a hwn. OK mate. Rhaid i, fel nhw'. Rwy'n defnyddio'n cofrif yn y bydd y brif. Beddyw'n gweld y cyflomwyr confidenceau'r myld. Fe'n amlio'n twfwyr dros ymhydd. Fe'n amlio i gefnogi o rhobeis. Mae gennym iaith o ynreccafogaeth o rhaid. Ond na bwrw, mae gydag ein hunwch yn irrwylliannau'n Gymwysgriflu. drwy'r developing a bod yn gweld hefyd. Mae ydych chi'n gallu diddysgu. Rhywbeth wedi gweld hefyd yn bengylched. Byddwn ni wedi cyflwystio nad ulyfu'n trychu. Rhywbeth rhaeddon wedi gweld hefyd i'w oedd. Mynd efallai'u dyma. Mae ydych chi'n gallu dysgu am moedau ar gyfer y cynnig. A oes ychydig yng nghymhуд o ddiwg ychydig. Rydych chi'n gallu am wnaeth ei achyfyrdd. Byddan nhw ni'n llwyddiad am y cerddur o'i ei dal. Felly byw'n gwaith yma i'w ddechrau, dwi'n cael dweud y dweud. Mae'r gweithio ddin o'r gweithio a'r llunio a'r gweithio. Mae'r gweithio a'r llunio a'r gweithio, ac mae'n dweud yna ymydd yma. Cymru'n gofynodol ydym yn y byd yn ddweud y byd. Mae'n ddweud yma yma. Mae'r gweithio sydd wedi cael y gwnaeth. Mae'n gofynodol i'r wneud. Mae'n gofynodol fel ar hyn. Mae'r gweithio i'r gweithio i'r gweithio? Ond dwi'n ei wneud gyda i'r ffordd, oedd yna'r cyflodd yn ychydig. Neid yw i'r cyflodd yn amgylchedd. Felly mae'n rhoi'r cynnydd i niad. Felly mae'r amser hynny. Mae'r amser hyn yn oed gyhoedd. Mae'r amser hynny yn ymhoes. Felly mae'r amser hynny'r amser hynny'r amser hynny'r lle ave. Ym hynny'r wedi Ieithio. Rwyf Wg Fydoeddamech, fydd eich hunain sy'n gweld i gyd yma wedyn bod yna'r hynny'r gweld i ei wneud. Ychydig y gallwch yn gweld yr oedd ymdweud yn ddylch eu meddwl hwnnw i'w ddim yn fawr i gael, ac ydych chi'n gweld yn ddod, ac mae'n meddwl hwnnw yn gwybod. A'i gwneud cyhoeddi o'r cyflwng? Mae'n dda i'n cael ei gweld gan ymddangos yn y cyflwng, ond mae'n oed yn ei gredig. Mae'n rhan o'i gweld, lle mae'n rhan o'r gweithio ac mae'n gydig yn ychydig yn gallu gweld o'n meddwl. Mae'n ychydig o'i gweld i'w meddwl. Ac maen nhw yw eich bod yn ddigwyddor fel athgor. Mae chyrwodol yn ddwy'r llud. Felly yn oedd o'r hyn o'r gwaith? Dechreu arall. Mae'n llwyr yma. Mae'r gwyfoedd â'n llwyddiad o'r llwynd o'i roi'r ceisio. Mae'n gwybod â'r lwyddon. Mae'n gweithio i fy hun o'r rhai o'u ddysgu sy'n gwybod, mae'n gweithio i fy hun o'r hwn o'w ddechrau, mae'n gweithio i rhai o'r ddysgu. I'r ddau, a mynd i'r gwylio, ac i'n ddau i'r gwylio, yn ymlaen i'r ddaf i gyd i'r ddau. A'n ddau, mae'r 1rhyw o'r cyllid iawn o'r cyllid ailodd. Rydw i'r dda'r ddau o'r mynd i'r gwylltaeth, mae'r pwylltaethau, i fyny o'r lwrnodd i'r ddau, ac o'r cyllid ail... Mae'r ddau, nid o'r ddau, ddau'r ddau 11. A'r 1rhyw o'r cyllid ailodd. Cymru'r ffaith sydd yw'r cyllid? Yn ymddangosiaeth. Felly, mae'r ddechrau'r ddweud? Cymru wedi cael ei ddefnyddio'r bobl. Ac oeddwn eisiau byddwn y byddwn yn ei ddweud, ac mae wedi cael ei ddweud, yn cael ei ddweud. Felly, mae'r gael ychydig. Dwi'n cael ei ddweud, mae'r gael eisiau ddweud, mae'r gael eisiau ddweud, mae'n cael ei ddweud, mae'r sgwrdd. While you're just one of those situations I was a dirty fighter at school then when I smashed you out go you're going to beat me out I'm going to fire you back you know I was brought up in that brutal nature that I thought was right and the good thing about it today is that I've never touched one of my kids it's just something that was ingrained in me we stood there, my dad brought me up, it never happened in my situation Dwi gwithio lŵr aethwch yn olyg, rwyf nesaf a phobl yn dod i fod yn osrbwyddol. Fyd o'n rhaid i siarodd nhw'n ei gweithio gyda i'r hyfforddiant modd iまでu. A'r hyfforddiant'r hyfforddiant mwy ganddiwch nhw eisiau gan mwy ysgolig. metaeth, mae ein arrywod a'r dweud y pwysg wedi ddwylo'n fchwyffol. Mae tebygwch yn ysgolch mae'n ysgolch canدwedd i ddweud yr hyfforddiant. Roedd yn wychwanol wedi cyfnod. You could learn how to fight and you had that anger, did you utilise it in a different way instead of the more self-control and I don't need to do that because you can handle yourself if you felt fff presents, I can take anybody on Well I was trying out four or five times a week and I wanted to be a champion but things got on my way, money Mae'r d venues, mae roedd yn agoni, roedd eich maen nhw ymlaen. Rwy'n ca Mersiwch, yn ychydig wrth obteni gwneud rollwydau, ach sensors yn gwneud. Felly, roedd yn cael ein bod yn gyflwyno? Wrth gwerthu, gallwn i'n meddwlarydd drubb, rydyn ni'n meddwl i chi, rwy'n meddwl i'n meddwl o'r bod maen nhw, ar y tro rheswer i chi. Fe ddiw i chi'n meddwl i chi, rydyn ni'n meddwl i chi, dwi'n meddwl i chi'n meddwl i chi, Mae'n ddod o'i dyfodd yn yw'r bwysig i chi'w dda i'w ddweud. Ond mae'n gweithio i'r iawn gwahanol, mae yna'r rhaid i'w ddweud. Felly mae'n ddweud gennym yn yr digital yn y prysyn sylwedd. Mae'n ddweud sydd y rhai'r gweithio'n ddweud i chi'n ddweud. Mae'n ddweud yn ddweud, fe yw'r gweithio'n ddweud. Ac mae'n ddweud yn ei ddweud. Mae'n ddweud i chi'n ddweud i chi'n ddweud. Er oed yn ymddangos i'w wneud o'r ddwrs, a y byddai i'w cyffredinol yn ddiogelio'r gwybod i'w ddweud yn ysgol. Felly, mae'r ddweud yn ymddangos i'w ddweud. Mae'n ddweud o ddweud i'w ddweud, a wnaeth fan o'r ddweud i'w ddweud o'i ddweud, oherwydd mae'r cyfrifiadau gyda'u gweithio, ac mae'r gyfrifiadau'r ddweud. Mae'n dweud o ddweud i'w ddweud, a mae'n ddweud o'i ddweud i'w ddweud. ac os ydych chi'n ammellio'r ffordd o'r sgrŵs sydd fwy o hollwch, mae'r ffordd o'r sgrŵs ar hollwch i mhysgwylio'n rhoi'r munud. Na'i'n ffordd, mae'n ffordd os yw mwy o hollwch a'n hollwch, ond mynd i'n ddim yn ond fel wrth y rŵs, ond mae'n ffordd, ond nid yn ddim yn mwy o rŵs. Nid yw'n rhai gyda fel y listwyr, fydd o'r mwy pobwys. Fydd o'r hawdd i'r bryd. Felly ydy'r wych erbyn i ddim yn ddigonwch gyda'i gynhyrch? Yna yw'r gweithio. Felly dyna'r yn ôl yng Nghymru yn dda i'r effeithio. Felly yna'r 14 oed, mae'n ddysgu'n gweithio'r gynghwil a'r cyflawn. Mae'r gallu'n gweithio'r gynghwil. Mae'n gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. Mae'n gweithio'r gweithio. yn gallu fynd yn ychydig o'n gwybod i'w ddysgu'r ddylai, dwi'n meddwl i'r ddweud, dwi'n meddwl i'r ddweud, ac mae'n meddwl o'r ddweud. O'r cymdeithasol cymdeithasol yn gwneud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, mae'n meddwl i'r ddweud. Felly'n meddwl. Ym mewn meddwl, gan y bydd ydw'n meddwl, mae'n meddwl i'r ddweud, ddim yn ymddangos i chi, dwi'n meddwl i chi'n meddwl i chi, dw i'n gyd, a dweud honodd yn gyflawni,odd y gallwn i'r biannol, oed yn gymryg gyflym, o'i gyd mewn biannol, o'i ddweud o'r cyffredinol. Ffelly yn gyd yn gyd o gwbl yw gyd, mae'n rhaid i ddweud hynny, i gyd yn ymwneud hwnnw, yma gan rhi o'n cyffredinol. Ond rhyw roi'n mynd i'r b Soundg坂, mae'n ei ddweud hynny yn enw, yna nhw'n gyffredinol wednig ac mae'n gilydd mewn rhaid i ddweud hynny, Roedn'n dweud o fawr y oven hon, ond hanfod am gwerthio. Mae'n gwerthio chi ood fel hynny i hefyd i'r fawr ar y golygu a'i roi'r ymddangos. Mae'n gwerthio'n ddim o'u arlaen mawr. Roedden nhw'n meddwl o'i pien i'r ymdyn nhw. Dwi'n wheni a mi'n gweithio'n dbusiwyr. Roedden nhw'n meddwl o'r fan o'r deall. Roedden nhw'n meddwl o'r deall? Roedden nhw'n meddwl o Cama Kazi? yw'r hwyaf, mae'n sy'n ei dwi'n ardal. Mae'n gwybod i'r o autumnau,you've got to know whits turning out and then. How long would it take to plan a job? Weeks, it's just known when it turns up, yno, yw'n fawr yn ymwelch ywch chi. A gwaith y ffiyth o gyhoedd o ddang o ffarn. Was there station and station things like today like this is a room, we've got people sitting in that room and it's open like from Saturday to Friday. So you know gonna be in that room, with the van that it stops on the... Felly sydd yn gweithio ysbytaeth y cychwyn yn ei gweld, y cadwch yn gymgyrch hwn. Cymrechu'r gweithwyr o'r gweithwyr. Rwy'r Chygynch, nad yw'n golygu ar ddysgu'r dron yn oly. Mae ddarmwyr o'n gyfrannu ac mae eithaf garwch yn dda. Fynyddoch o'r hoffa awgiau. Mae'r hoffa awg ymdyn nhw, y mae'r hoffa awg. Mae'r hoffa awg yn chymrechu, yna ei gweld yn ei gweithwyr yn dweud, a'r hoffa awg iddyn nhw, Cyfnodd iawn roedd fy modwch, gyda'r digonion sy'n gwneud, dwi'n pwysig i everyon, wedi, sydd ei fydd yn mynd i, yn eistedd gyda ffrindig iawn am yma. Dwi'n amlwg ar amlwg yn różneis yma, yma, ac mae'r adeilad fel yma ond rwy'n, rwy'n gwneud yn ddim yn y ples cryr ac mae'r cyfnodd eitdo yn ddiddio fy ffordd, i gynnwyd, i gynnwyd, ac nid oed yn gyntaf i'r adeilad. Cyn ni'n pwysig i'r adeilad, Felly mae'n ddweud i'r ffordd. Mae'r ddweud i'r ffordd, fel Robert? Llywodraeth yw yma? Mae'n meddwl i'w ffordd ond am wneud y ddweud i'r ddechrau. Mae'n meddwl i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud i'r ddweud. They were like the gears who was with me, he was a from Trinidad. I said, going. He said, I wanna get a new car. So I said, I like turned out the biggest chemero you've ever seen in a world. He was a big yellow one. At the time he was on the Starship. He had one in England. He turned up at the side of my house, you know, you live in another house. He's got his fuck off right behind the car. I said, I sort of put a blue light on top of your head, and that's what happened with that because people can't help themselves with a spin, spin, spin. ond nid o bobl, oedden nhw'n gofio fe go. Beth os oedden nhw'n gofio i ddechrau? Ond ond ond ond honna yn dal o'n gofio, enå drws? Dwi'n ddim yn ymlaen? Bydd yng nghymru ei fod yn ffordd gyda'r fryf. Gyfnogi'r dyn, wedi gofio? Ond ar gael, nad oedden nhw'n gilydd. Yn gyfnodau hyn yn gwahio i'r gwahio, ond mae'r llaw yn pan cyffreddon. unnecessary to me, look, a bit of work, straight forward bit of work, rappelle of that $30 grand plus. And I thought... ...the worst part about that, we had a nice bit of work about a few weeks before... ...and the two people usually would say, look listen, that's enough, we've got a nice few quid, and I don't know what... ...rubrys hard to explain. It's like you've become a genuine junkie. It's like somebody wants to take a coin. It's like you want to do more rubries. i'n meddwl i'n meddwl. Dwi'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r clwp yn rhan o'r drwym ni'n ddweud. Dwi'n meddwl i'n meddwl i chi, dwi'n meddwl i chi i ddim o'r eu cyffredin. Dwi'n meddwl i chi. Felly, y twy gweithio'n gweithio ar y cyffredin yn ôl. Dwi'n meddwl i chi i ddim o'r cyffredin, dwi'n meddwl i chi. Felly, dwi'n meddwl i chi wedi'i adreffu a'r cyffredin. Rydw i'n meddwl i chi ddim yn ymddangosol o'r awnod. and put him in the car. And obviously, he went for it and he had a massive chise. I just put the gun at the copper's neck and I said to him Sorry about that. That's OK. I said to him I said to him put told of other ones to back off. So the copper, as I said there, we went out with one of him in the spade dumps and then with it a bump, and the gun's gone off, and he just missed the copper's AIDS, so he thinks I've done it for purpose. Beth wneud headlights a llwy. Yn ddaith sydd gennym i'n gweithio y newid. Mae'r blith yma o ran. Mae ganddo'r ffordd. Mae'r ganddo'r lwy. Felly rhaid y newid. Mae'r blith dim wneud o'r greu, ddaf yn gweithio i ar gyllid. Mae'n cymuno gwahod ar-gannu. Mae'r clyw. Efallai gyd yno'r blith o'n fwy o'r clyw. Felly mae'r llwy'r collle o'r glith. Dwi'n grannu o'r collle. Mae'r collle o'r collle o'r collle o'r glith. a dwi'n amlwg, ond e'n amlwg y gallu arnynt i'w gael. Ac o'i gweithio, dwi'n credu a dwi'n credu, dwi'n gwneud y peth yn ddau'r cyllid. Felly mae'r cyllid yn ddechrau fel Cale Bicol? Dwi'n credu bod dwi'n credu o'n meddwl gael o'r newid. Mae'r gwneud yn y gweithio a oedd yn bwer o'r gwir, mae'n gweithio. Dyna, mae'r 3rhyw gyrfa, rôl i'n meddwl i'w meddwl i'r llwyth, A resist to the police that was changing the players they had about 15 cars behind them. Obviously in the response I could see them coming up behind me. Looking in the mirrors I am thinking right they are going to swim me sooner or later. Because this is the third hostage and this is is wintering is actually going on for nearly 2 hours. So I could see the cars coming up behind me and I was thinking that.. You know when you see the shadows they are moving the range red just where you from the orders response was behind me. Felly o'n bwysig yn siaradio'n dda iawn yn ddechrau i ddiweddol. Allan, o'r ddiwyllio arall, dwi'n gofynnwys, ond a'r ddysgwyd yn gweithio ddweud Inc. Fwyaf i ddweud'n ddim i ddweud, a'r deddwys yn ddiwyd i ddiwyd. Dwi'n gwybod i gyd, a gyddogwch i mi i ddefnyddio. Felly felly os hwn wedi cymrydodd yn ddysgwyd. Felly dyma. Felly'n fyddi gyd, gallan. Felly dyma... Felly, rwyf am ymwysig i'w i. Ac dwi wedi bod i'n ffrwng i, rwyf am gwaith yw wedi bod i'n siwr anterfyniad. Ac dwi wedi bod ni'n meddwl gwisodo'r hefyd pluddau ar annib. Ac os rwyf am ôl o'r cyfrwng, os rwyf am gwych yunig, oherwydd pethau o'r cwertho'u cwylio, oedais o'r llwyfau, oedai mawr mai'r reifft. Ac ond rwyf am gwaith o'u gwneud. Ac rwyf am gweithio'r cwrwng. Rwy'n credu i mi dda i fod yn ddw i'r ddweud o'r troi. Rwy'n credu i nesaf, ym niffeidio'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Mae'r ddweud yn dda, y llai'n ddweud. Mae'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Mae'n gaelio'r yrhan, mae'n gweithio'n ddweud o'r moll. Ond, byddai'n oedd i mi, ydych chi i fyny, mae'n ddweud... Mae'n ddweud o'n ddweud o'r llai'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud. As I run into the field, it had been raining, so what happens then? If you were following me into the field, obviously my only footprints would be that footprints, wouldn't it? But when I got into the field, all the police were running after me, the armed response units, I went BAMBAM! I thought it was just a couple, that was above their ears, it wasn't at them, above them. Also I thought shoo shoo shoo, so I thought fuck it, don't have to shoot me back guys, I thought here we go. And as I was running, I could see all these headlights above me on coming across like that, so now I'm trapped in the field. So I'm thinking where do I go, what do I go left, do I go right? So as I run I slipped and I went down, went BAMBAM! into the muds and I landed on my shoulder and the gun went off again. So that was about three shots that I got off and I think fuck that. So as I landed there like that, I thought, and I could see the cars, I thought so I just buried into the earth. So I got all the muds, I started putting up my legs, putting all that, putting my body. I got a few plants, stuck all the plants on me and all that. And by that I could see obviously all the radio's, you can hear all the... Was that your brother? No, it was dark, it was about four in the morning. And obviously they were trying to get there. So I laid there and obviously all the talking, you could hear the talking going on, also I could hear the, this is where I nearly got, I could have been killed or someone had been killed. And I could hear them coming through the fields, it was about three hours later. And as I was laying there I could hear the dogs coming in, you know the dogs you could hear. It was like, lucky for me where the rain, it was really rainy. The sand? The sand? Yeah, the mud was all over my body. So I was like a cocoon type of thing. So I was laying there, I had a 38 like that and another 38 like that. I was laying there and I could feel the dogs. At the corner of me I could see a dog sniffing around. I thought he was going to fucking find me in a minute. So I got one option, I was shooting at another guy with the old bill and run for it. Or do I stay where I am? So I thought fuck it, I stay where I am. And I like joking, honestly James the copper. They come right up to me like that and it was falling there. When I fired the shots, all the police had run. So when I went into the field, because the police would chase me, where they had run, it confused them with all my footprints in the mud. And that's what saved my life. If I didn't let them shots off, they'd just followed them footprints, stopped dead there where it was and they would have known I was in that mud buried, wouldn't they? But where the shots went off, they all run and fucking splattered. And that saved my life basically because the footprints weren't going where they wanted to because it confused them. But so when they started coming for the field looking for me, and I could hear them coming, I'm thinking fuck sake. And it's walking up like, I'll see this guy. I can see him calling me right, he's like that. And he's literally got a fucking great big money and big machine guns. He's looking at me like that. And he's looking at the footprints and I'm thinking he's going to, and he literally, my foot is there. And his foot is where that table is. And he's going like that. And he don't know I'm just sitting there like that. And he's like fucking 38, all planted up like that. And I thought, do I don't know, do I don't know, do I don't know. You know what I'm saying, do I shoot you, don't I? I know if he goes to shoot me, I'm going to shoot him, you know? And that's how close I come to death. So I go through again. I think fuck sake, I've got out of that. About another two hours and it's getting lighter and lighter. So all of a sudden I come through again. Same thing again. And I think they're going to find me in a minute. But what made saving my life really basically, where those keep going through the fields, the more footprints would save my life basically. And then I was lying there. I got a thing called hyperfermia, which I've been in there for eight and a half hours. And it'd been like, it'd become daylight then. And I could see it. I ain't joking when I saw Bill, they even bought a canteen there. It must have been two, three hundred police there looking for me, obviously. And I was lying there and I thought, if they come through in a day, and they see a foot, so I thought I'm going to move and go to this, there's all these plants on that floor, I'll get over there, I'll get even deeper into there. And then I thought, well, what do I get in? But then as I move, the more earth come off me, so it made me even more paranoid. So I started crawling along the floor. I'll get into all that and I'll say, I said, just fucking, I was running everywhere. I don't know that someone's got me on binoculars, obviously through the earpiece they're saying, target, target. And then I was just seeing all these old people running from everywhere. And I thought, hold on. And I stood up and we'd been laying on my arm all night. Because I was like that. I couldn't lift my arm up, so I walked up. And it was like, I don't look like little fucking kids then. I was all saying, ah, we've got him, we've got him, we've got him. And then, so it gets me into the thing. And all that running around, I look like little fucking kids like, you know what I mean? And I thought, fuck it, so they got me. It takes me to a police station. So I thought, fuck it, I'll sit there and say nothing, blur, blur, blur. They go, this is gun issue, gun issue, all that. So I went, yeah, lovely. I won't tell what really happened. This is what happened. And then we get to the police station, charge me. So anyway, by the way, I have a bit of a tear up. There's a sex offender in here. It's some big lumps. I'll chind him in the cell. Anyway, they want to get me out of there. So it takes me a call, puts me in a police van. I'm saying, I was always really strong. I was doing a 150 bench for about 16 at the time. And I just had these racket chuffs. Imagine, I'm in the police. Just add all that tear up. So I'm in the van. I've got two years for this. So I went like, I went ching the complete. I went ting, just fell through. I thought, fuck it. You know, like, you know, it just fell through the racket club. And I went, so if I moved my arm, they got three coppers in the front. And I didn't realise the coppers all round. I couldn't see it because I had to be back to them. Not in the van, but behind me. And I thought, I thought, oh, yeah, it touched now. But imagine this room here. I'm like that in a van. That's how it was. Like an armoured van inside the van. So we got to this place in Gravesian's Road. And I jumped up, ripped the side of the van off. It was three coppers. I was like, what the fuck? So I ripped the side of the van off. It all bent down. It was really weird. I thought, what the fuck did I rip the side of the van off? And they had windows like that. Only small windows. So I stood back and fucking migered. It went, come out. I couldn't fucking believe it. So then I'll get me in through like that because I'll try to feed myself through the hole. And the copper jumps out round the other side. So I grabbed him. And he's just gone, scream. And he's just pulling me. He's pulling me out of the van. And all. So I've got this side. I've got this side through another copper's come. I've got to grab me. I've grabbed him. And then when he struggled, he pulled me through the hole. And all the soldiers went, phew! Stay where you are. You know, you can fill a gun at the side of the van. He went, you move, I'll blow your fucking head off. But I'm still like that in the van, right? So they said to me over, right, we're going to put you back in the van. And I thought, well, I'm a three quarters out, right? You know, so I'm thinking, it'd be easy to just put me out in the van, walk me round. Them cunts, right? Squeeze me back through the hole, right? Like that. And that was it all fucking sat on me and cuffed up. I've got two years for that. So really basically just one, just one fuck off, one fuck off tear up. Then I'll get to Brixton DC. It was the most secure unit in England. So the geys on working. We went, what the fuck's going on? Big tear up police fucking has been hit to the pin. What the fuck's going on? I went out of here, mate. I've got to get me out of here. Of course, little ffirm tight get me out. That's the flares come over the wall. I've done a screw. Oh mate, just for the first, just that's how it went. So we hit the wall, the flare come up the wall. And in the prison system, it was the most secure unit at the time. And there we got out. We got to tell the story what happened. The only way we could get out that the actual unit was like a magic. There's just a little unit, a massive concrete box. That's all it was. You never come out of it ever. Only to go, I'll see church was Catholic. And I had to time from walking from church at the unit, which was like under jards. So I had to get it right. And I had a earpiece and we had a bug in the prison. So I was saying to them, don't fuck it up. Make sure you get there at the time, right? So I come out and we come out and was in this unit and I'm walking via a geese and all that. They don't know anything what's going on, mate. They ain't got a fucking clue, right? So I walked out, I looked up the thing, and we went out to send a signal. I'm out, meaning I'm out outside the block, outside the unit. So he said the signal. I used to just put a thing like that. So I know my teams I work with. I knew they were going to be there, right? So I walked out. So it was a dog there and I was walking with a geese and a well-known geese about a Bermansy. So the screw, he had this leather glaver. I hated this fucking screw, right? I thought it was a bollocks, right? So we were walking out there and there was a dog there and I mean it was him. So we're getting there right far from the church. I was like, and the screw went. It's exactly over here. His leg went like that, right? It's gone out on the floor. So I went, bang, on his head. Suddenly the old screw didn't know what to do. So I'm off now. I'm in between. And there was the wall. There was a fence, the wall, and a reception. So I was off and I run down. As I was running, I could hear him go, get him, get him, get him, because it's all the dog lights, I think. But I knew. So I had this jacket and I wrapped it around my arm. As I was running, I wrapped it around my jacket around my arm and I got between the fence and the wall. By that time the flares hit the wall outside and say there they are. But it hasn't come over. It's hit the wall and all the smoke was going up. All the smoke was coming up on the wall, right? So the screws now know someone's outside. So there are no people outside. All the flares go out like that. So I stood there. They've come down. Obviously missed the timing. They just jumped out. They could see it on all the keys and balaclavas and the guns outside. This is the most secure Joe in England this was. And they've had to fuck off. So I'm fucked now, aren't I? So this is true story, right? So all the screws about 30 screws outside. There's about 30 screws outside. And I was standing and then all the kids out of the window, you know, all the keys in the units were out of the window shade. You can't do that. So I'm thinking to myself, right, fuck it. So I looked. I looked like that. I looked like that. And all the screws got at me like that. I said, get on the floor. Get on the floor. And I thought, oh fuck it. I just run. Smashed into them all right. I remember this gold ring going to me. Smashed at me face like that. I fucking kicked punches and everything. Of course they wrapped me up. Put me into a. Got me back. Took me into this segregation unit. The governor, because where the flares had come over the wall, they went. Get him out of here. Get him out of here. And they put me in a cage. And that's where I stayed for six months. So I said. Yeah. I was in a little cage for six months. So within that period, I'd been big shoe out of police. Take an old beer or a stew. Nearly got killed. Tried to get off the van. Tried to get out of the most secure unit in England. And I suppose that's why they kicked me a dablai towards the end. I just. So. I said bye, see. That just, that was a movie. Like I said, we've been four weeks. I mean that was. That's some Hollywood movie that. That is nuts. So it is. See when you speak, see when you talk about it. Does it bring back a lot of memories? Uh. Gets you a journey kind. That's why you've got your nice cage to do. That's just so you can't escape. Yeah. So what it is, it's just that. I was too. I was too going for my own good basically. Zero Fox given. Sorry. Zero Fox given then at that point. It's like. I don't know. I think what it was. I think going back to when you was a kid. Against slaps and beaten. You got that feeling. No. I'm not going to give up. If you get that switch then. If somebody does that, that switch just goes. And it's. It's game time. I think. I think. I think through anger. And. You know, it's hard to explain. You know, sort of. You're gritting. You know. One of those gritting. You know. I say. The trouble is with. When I was in prison. I had big ear lobes. This is sort of thing. Give a rough idea. And I ate my ear lobes. So I just cut them off with a pair of nail clippers. I cut big lumps off like that. I took two lumps out of my ear lobes like that. With a pair of nail clippers. So I said to the screw. He goes. He goes. I said. I was just. Budsburn at me. So I put a bit of. Bungel and a bit of fag paper around it. I walk it over. And he just says to me. Well, you don't see. I didn't like me. I was just chucked me. I was off. And then he got a nutted off for that. But that was my mindset. If I didn't like it. I'll do it. And that said. Made my mind was at the time. You know, like. And to this day. I'm not mindset. Because I've had all the programs. I had to deal with mental health. Yeah. Like sort of. Not mental health. I had to sort of deal with. Anger. Yeah. Frustration. Yeah. And a lot of situation. To date and about fear. It's about. I'm going to lose my life. Because. There's no boundaries for me. I'm arrested. I'm going for the rest of my life. So if I step over that threshold. I'm going to do what I've got to do. Do you know what I mean? Or I'm going to die. Do you know what I mean? It's one. I've learnt to control that. I've learnt to control it. And. And basically I've grown older. I've grown wiser. And I say when you talk to kids. Who are stabbing people for nothing. You know, I've done it. You know. You know what I'm trying to say to the kids. It's a good thing. But you can lose your life. What I did. I lost 20. It's a great thing telling a story. And what really happened. It sounds all exciting. Yeah. We're talking misery what comes with it. I'm just unbelievable mate. Yeah. That was your first big sentence. No second. Second. I've done 12 years, 15 years. I've done it for three years. I've done four months. I've done a year on remount. A year on remount. I've done severely basically. It's a lot of time. So see when things now back. Obviously to self control. When you get that switch. What's flex. How do you control it then? Llywbeth roi'r wath o'n gweithio'r wych chi wedi'i hynny ymwneud hynny i'r wych sy'n niw i'r ysgrifiadau, ac yn ymwneud i'r wych sy'n niwn gweld y pethau, ymwneud i'r gwelwch, rydyn ni'n rhoi'r gwahau ymddangos, rydyn ni'n rhoi'r fwgio, ymwneud i'r gwahau'r cymdeithasol, a'r fyddech chi'n gweld iawn i'r fwg, ymwneud i'r gwahau? Cymlodd yn ychydig, rydyn ni'n rhoi'r gwahau'r gwahau? Felly byddai gwaith yn y cwntrwll unig nesaf. Rwy'n meddwl i'r gwaith ymgwrdd. Rwy'n meddwl i weithio a chwynt yn ymgyrch, rwy'n meddwl i weithio, i'w eich rwyng, i'n ddiolch yn 15 o chŷrnid. Rwy'n meddwl i'r gwaith, i'r busig, yma ar y cwrwm. Rwy'n meddwl i'r gwaith, i'r amgylched i'r ffordd yn y cwrw. Rwy'n meddwl i'r gwaith, i'w meddwl i'r gwaith. Are you thinking you should be put in place for prisoners in this system then because let's face it is set up to fail, the majority of the people who come out end up in Rick, are you thinking you should be put in place to maybe help people with their mindset and understand that they're not caged animals, understand that they still have a life when they came out. I have spoken to plenty of people who have done so not a shat and have changed their life, and they are doing great things. So are you thinking you should be put in place to help those who are struggling inside? Mae hyn yn ddweud yn現 sydd ddweud o'r wybod pethau dros profiadau hwn yn gweithio, Fy llyfr dros cyllidol, felly mae'n ddweud a chyllidol, mae'n ddweud o'r cyllidol am ychydig, am mwyn ynghylch i gyd yn ddymau'n meddwl, ond y gallwch yn ddweud ychydig, roeddi'r wneud, yddych i gyd, lle mae'n gael eich pob ydyn nhw yn canal. Mae'n gyd yn ffordd, mae'n gyd yn ffordd, a'i gael yn ddiw i ar yw pan sefydlu, if I died tomorrow I was 20 it meant nothing I'm gonna die I'm gonna die and that's where today I'm 63 I don't want to die I'm gonna die anyway I'm gonna die in the five six years I'm gonna die but when I was 20 I didn't give a fuck so what I'm trying to say to you is that as life moves on you gotta try and to adapt to sort of get yourself back to normality to love again to be normal again and these people in the prison system who's turning out fucking people who's done longs his prison sentences especially ACAP prisoners and wonder why they all go fucking mental and calls away because it's a time bomb waiting to happen right? because you lock someone up in prison say for 10 years and you brutalizing through them 10 years like when you bought up your dad's smacking you with a belt it's the same thing so it's like being a dog with a stick so you gotta try and get someone to sit them down and say listen, we're gonna help you here we need to help you would you want we'll try and get you a job if you ain't got a driving license just get a driving license to do be a van driver or go to a degree to go to university so really basically when Jimmy Ball from Scotland they had these units where they could all mix together with us most of us like me was like we don't like you you're in a block you're subversive every time I turn out a prison the screws just let it go it's gotta go to segregation unit we don't want him on a wing we don't want him on a wing there wasn't and that's how it was so you weren't allowed to socialize or anything? yeah we were allowed to say that but only for certain people on my wing on the wings when I spent 2 years in some of them there was only 6 of us and like say 4 was IRA and there might be another Englishman there they'd be 10 of us and 6, 7, 8 would be Irish and I'd be like a cut of English people it's like when I went back in the last one it was more so Asians like all the terrorists and the majority would be Asians and there'd be a couple of whites there because the double 8 cat was brought in to deal with what the class as terrorists I'm not a terrorist I'm not against I wasn't going I wouldn't go and kill people for the sake of it I want to go my object was Nick a few quid it's like we'll come out and we got into debt collecting I found that someone could go and take a million pound off of you actually fuck you for a million pounds you got to ask for your money back you were arrested well that one out fuck it I wasn't on the wrong job or what it's true that it's true isn't it it's true James isn't it and you'll be arrested try and collect that million pounds so I've because you was grained like when you get back to the East End and you look at your you look at your childhood and it is poverty is like when you look at kids who've got nothing you've got these onions sugars you've got all these people millions and millions of pounds like clean the cleaners and big eyes and all that it's like today I was watching the telly about Liverpool all them people lost their lives because he was a copper he was a quid you tell me one police officer who's been found guilty there was a geezer in Kent he walked in and he had no clothes on he was in a bed and I shot him dead that one was arrested so it's a big government thing yes it's not even self-defence or anything that's the biggest gang in the world let's face it he's the biggest gang in the world did you have a lot of anger inside Vic then getting treated like that he felt as if you were getting bullied again inside there the way you were getting treated when I was a kid yeah I thought I was like Charlie Bronson is a good friend of mine I've known Charlie for a long time the system made Charlie Bronson the Bronson is the system that's his mum and dad they lock him in cages treat him like an animal I know he's got a bad record but underneath all that he's a nice person Charlie Bronson he does all his art still kept he's never killed anyone he's still banged up now and this is going on I've got loads of mates of story in there now but my Cody friend he's never come in home right and he's got these other kids outrageous murders like kids and things like that and treat people more like me who's after a few quids a lot worse than what I do children they want to bang us when I lock me up you know there's been the files out there just getting six months the third sentence 18 months not doing some nasty shit you know what I mean but again the system is flawed there's a fault in it that's set up to fail what was Charlie Bronson like then how's he still in good contact it was a funny story we were in Franklin's and there's only like ten cock in the ice he's turned up that Kenny noise he's fucking shut the gavers in and we went what for really so they don't do things like that mate and then the geezer turns up I'm standing with a fella and he walks out and sees the graphs well I knew him from I knew him he was strapping bombs to security guards right I knew him all about it because people would come from my area most of all I knew him because people would come from my area most of all I knew him because people would come from my area most of all I knew him because people would come from my area so I'm Robbers were sort of brought up in areas you know they are like if you watch a film called town Boston was the main thing for I'm Robbers canning town of Stratford was breeding ground for people like me you know so and so anyway calls him a grass so I swear I've done maths I'll sweep the geese legs kick the geese in the head knocks him out on the floor so Bronson went fucking help it what a fucking kick that was I went yeah also now all the screws come out we're in Franklin prison and then we're trying to take me off the yard right so they come walkin over I went coming in so me and brought something all about to the company ice with fucks we have to have it off all the screws so we had a big punch out of the screws they've run all the screws are run started to lock in the cells in the blocks so they said let's take the jail over but never ever happened in Franklin before so I thought fuck me I'll start this off I'll get another ten here right so I was going to come and say lock the cells no matter anyway it all gets calmed down then it goes off again ddylch sy'n hyn sy'n meddwl y gallwn cyd-hael. Mae'n gofyn e'r mynd i'r gymun, yn y grannu gyda wnaetho, yn cyd-hael, yn gyda wnaetho ni, fy meddwl am y gallwn i Mcn Casgliadau, a rydw i ddim wedi bod yn hawi, rydw i ddim yn gofyn fel mynd i'r casgliadau. Felly, y gallwn? Neflus sy'n gynnwch, mae'n gynnwch gynnwch gynnwch, mae'r gynnwch yn llwyniant, yn bwllawn casgliadau, mae'n gallu rydw i'r cyd-hael. Fflesson shub off at the night and he went to the governor's, there, there, and I was joking and three governors sat there like that, they sounded like Tom and Jerry, they went, he's sleeping through the things like that. That was Charlie Bronson, he was just like a fucking character. Cos he only got Jill for a robbery at the time, now he's over 30 years. Yeah and he's still in there, there's loads of people in there like him who should be... Do you think he'll ever get out? I hope he does, he's a nice bloke, I hope he does. There's loads of people like Paul Glenn, he should be released, he should be there. Who's he? He's my Cody friend, he never killed that person, he should be released. He was there, he's going to get some bourbon, don't lock him up for the rest of your life as I didn't do. Do you think it's cos of who these people are associated with as well, that the police try to get them off the streets and just lock them up and throw away the key? He's using a murder charm because he committed a murder before he's guilty. So that's how people are, it's how the police work. It's like these kids today, running around in mobile phones, they're like fucking grasses in phones. The best thing we've ever happened for the police to have mobile phones, they're like trackers in their own right. So your first 12 year sentence Vic, what was that sentence for? That was for the banks and sorting offices and the other one was to shoot out the old bill and take the old bill. How many did they charge you with, the first time round? Four. And that's when you got your 12th stretch? Yeah, two banks, one sorting office and a security van. How was your, what age were you then? Just turned 21, 22. The young one? Yeah. So when you came out, did you just go straight back into crime? Yeah, that's right. And then you got your bigger sentence for the shoot out with the police, the hostages? Yeah. What was that one? That was about 18 months ago. See what people talk about principles. I've been brought up as the old school. He'd been shot. I could have walked away from him 10 times. I could have put my clothes back on, disappeared, got out in the crowds and just disappeared. Because we brought up like the old school, I weren't going to leave him. And that's how we've been brought up in the East End. And what I'd like to do is try and get back to the old school, help the granny across the roads. Don't grasp on your mate. Back the knives. Don't fucking help the old bill. Put the knives, chuck it in the stream. Go and talk to your parents. Go and talk to your uncle. Give them the knife so I'm going to get rid of this knife. You don't have to work with the old bill. We can do it ourselves. We're working class people. We don't need them people. You know what I mean? We don't need the old bill. We can do it ourselves. We can tell the kids to put the knives down, right? We can tell them to put the knives down. We don't need the police. We don't need fucking stuck-up MPs. Just telling them to put the knives down. Don't give the old bill a fucking propaganda. Chuck the knife away. Because that knife, I'm joking. You kill something like that. It's easy as that. 20 years, that's what happened to me. And you ain't going to come out the same person. One second and your life's gone. You don't just defect your own life, but also the victim's life. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, so for anybody that's maybe carrying a knife, maybe for a better protection, it's difficult as well, especially if they're getting bullied at a younger age and they feel as if they've got that for their protection. What advice would you give for them then? I'd go to Jamestown and train hard. I'll train hard at taking off stuff for people. You know, I don't mean as you said, you've heard it for loads of people, don't you? I'll train them in prison. And lots of citizens said that. Yeah, because Blink's a friend. I know you were in prison with Blink. And he says you used to have a knife, and you used to get people to charge in. You used to throw them over your shoulder. Just just training them. But like getting back to kids who carry knives, I'll carry knives. You've got to be strong enough to walk out of that house and say I'm not going to carry a knife. Like most of the time of my life I always carried a knife. Most of them carry knives, I can tell them, nice people carry knives, not to use them, but if they carry knives because someone else who is carrying a knife. And that's the problem we've got to get over. We've got to get over that person carrying a knife, feel safe, he's carrying a knife. So that's the thing we've got to get over and about people carrying knives. I don't think most people go up the intentions, unless you're a psychopath, to stab someone for nothing. You know, do you want to stab someone? Because what's happening now with these kids, there's been a picture just come out where they want to, he crosses a road and this is ridiculous. You want to kill him for that. Classical was the knife capital in Europe for many years and it's changed, the system's totally changed. The carry knife is a walking indictment, but their sentence has got higher. Three years, five years, we're carrying a blade and it's changed. I've got 12 months of carrying a knife, I've got three years for stabbing. So what I'm trying to say to the kids, put the knife down. I mean it's okay me telling stories and people listening to them, but I've done a lot of birth for them stories. And I was gay, I was a gay fucker, but I'm just saying to the kids, put the knife down because you know, you're going to prison for a long time and it ain't nice in there mate. I was standing in the units, this guy's killed six people, that guy's killed five people, that guy's killed three people, and they were all standing with knives in their jackets and you know, they're cooking their dinner, they've got a fucking light with a knife there and you're all standing next. I was brought up in it, in the units and that. Everyone's told that up. And in prison that's why I was self-harming. It was a girl I knew, she came out of prison just doing a life sentence, she'd done 12 years. She's just come out of prison. I'm quit to have a tattoo, she want a tattoo done. And my mate said, no I can't do that. And I turned around and her arms were cut from there to there, so far. Her legs were cut to bits. And then I went, just grabbed her arms and said, I'm so sorry, you know. And that's what people do, they're self-harming, they kill themselves. I don't think, you know, you want to be fucking bully, big bollocks. You're going to go into a place you've never been before mate. Yeah, that's a lot of people who think that the game is people on these streets, but as soon as they're in there, the mindset can't handle it, and they commit suicide, they end up on the drugs. Do you see a lot of that in there? Lose a lot of friends to drugs and suicide. Yeah, like I said, people run, people, look, you know, I'm not going to say it, but look, you know, people count on drugs in jail. You know what I mean? So that's how they do their prison sentences. But like I said, until we get under control, not about prison system, I mean about kids killing each other. But you know, someone's got to get up, he's listening to this, or someone, we need someone to put the slogan, put the knife down. But people will listen to you Vic. Do you know what I mean? Somebody who's been there, someone who's done it, someone who's experienced that, spent a lot of time in prison. You know how the pain it causes, not just on yourself, but your family and the victims. Oh mate, aren't you joking? When I lost my mum to cancer, I was the toughest kid in the world, but fuck me mate, did I go through it? So you imagine someone who's lost their life, who's just lost their young kid who's 14, 15 years old. I mean, the pain they're going to go through, and the one who's done it, the pain he's going to go through. So, you know, you think, you know, you're jacking the leads, but there's no winners in that game. Do you think about the victims as well, Vic? Obviously when you did those robberies and vans and banks, do you think about the people who were in the bank at the time, how their mindset was being in the trauma they would have received? They ever think in your mind in your own, maybe? No, it's my tip of the tongue. You're young, and you don't see it. I mean, when you get older, you can see it. I mean, when you get older, I mean, like, I sit there sometimes, I would tell you me, oh, someone's died, or this is done. You know, I'm not the... I'm quite a marginal person, you know? And then, like, I say, but there's so much. I mean, that biggest battle's cancer at the moment. You know? I mean, people, mum, I lost my cancer. She couldn't eat. So I watched her die, you know? She couldn't drink. She couldn't eat. It's one of the most horrible steps I've ever seen, you know? She just went to a bag of burns, you know? So really, basically, then you watch someone else who's just craving their little kids in her hands and just died at 14, 15, 16. For what? Just because you looked the wrong way. I mean, coming there's a big difference between us, money-getters, and somebody who wants to be hooked on violence, you know? I'm not hooked on violence. I have to be violent if I have to be violent, like I said, but at the end of the story, that's a no-no for me. I wouldn't want to hurt someone for nothing. Did you ever have a target in your head to make a certain amount of money then disappear? Or was it just keep going and keep going until we eventually couldn't go any more? When you put a gun in someone's head and a mindset at that time, it's like kryptonite to Superman. As soon as I went on that, bang! He's like, boom! Boom! Dover gun. You are fucking powerful. So you get out of that bag and you say, I'm not going to touch that gun. I'm not going to go near that gun. I walk in and it's like, bang! You're gone, mate. You are God. That's a mindset you are. You can't stop me. If I come out of my house in the morning, aren't you down and I'm mindset, I don't give a fuck about anything else. You can't stop it. It's like a robot. It's like a terminator. You can't stop it. That's the problem. Too, you get out of that mindset in your own invincibility and you realise you're hurting people and you're doing things what you shouldn't do. You've got to try and understand that. And then me to understand it, I started trying to understand it. I started really thinking different about it. So I was 44, 45. In prison. I want to come home. I want to make someone nice. I want a bit of love. I want to do someone like that. What keeps me out of trouble now is what I've got. What's switched it for you then, Vic, to be that person that you were to start to understand and have emotions and feelings because you tend to see the toughest people tend to suppress their feelings and emotions. They don't want to show emotional, motion anger. They'll express it through anger and frustration but they don't want to feel vulnerable. And that's where that sense of having a gun and putting it down, people get scared. That adrenaline kick, you feel important. You feel power. So what made you, what was the catalyst for the change to start going, I don't want this fucking life anymore. I'm running out of lifespan. I mean, I love it. You'd be like, there's a problem there, right? It can't be done. There's this. There's too many people there. There's that. You can't do this and you can't do that. And that's like putting something to me. You can't be done. And I go, I'll do that. It's just something in your mind. I want to do that. I can't, it can't be done. I want to do it. I've done bits of work which has been all over the paper. Is that? I said it can't be done but I've done it. And then what happens is you're trying to get out of that mindset. No. Tell me that, Vic. For the ages of 21 to young now, the people you've run some serious fucking jobs with or some serious events, how many are still your friends now? A lot of them are dead. A lot of them are dead. Other grasses dead, whatever. I've still got a few friends. We've got loads of friends. Socialists? Yeah. Look, we're an underground organisation. I mean, that's where we work. I mean, we don't stand in pubs, 20-handed. Today's totally different. Talk about the craze, the craze you can stand to when there's work all conspiracy. The old bill stick that conspiracy charge and you're just like, so they conspired this. You could be with me now, James. I could be doing something. I've got my arm around, you take a picture, so James is involved here. Social issue. It's different, man. It's different. The way they sit on you now and they've got a licence to kill because of terrorism. They'll kill you. They'll kill you. You've got to be really careful. Even bugs. I mean, I've helped loads of people out where I've found bugs in their car, bugs in their houses, little black bugs. Oh, no, I wouldn't bug up. I wouldn't bug me. Fuckin' hell. I saved someone 24 years. I found a bug in his steering wheel. So what I'm trying to say to them, they're good at game. Yeah. They'll always catch you when we're done. That's where the friend... This is the thing now, the bugs. See what happens? Technology now. We use it. We put trackers on cars and things like that. We want to know where people are. So their technology is fucking under better in mind. And the prison system's been turned against you now. So, you know, like, you go to a cult, they've got everywhere before you had it. They can bring your record out. They can bring tape. A lot of people don't know now. You're talking a phone. They can bring it out and call against you for the terrorism law. So use the terrorism law to bring all what they wanted to bring in the government. Ain't stupid. I don't tell you when you get the cult to say, when I was arrested last time, I was never nick for murder before. They got my past that. And I got a bad past, because my mate had been nicked for murder before. So how do they do it? The system there changed against you really big ways. So most of these kids who are going up for noir crimes says they're all getting arrested. So do you think this is the best time for people who's involved in a life of crime is to get out, change their life and see that there's a better life out there? It's difficult though if you've grown up in that environment for 20, 30, 40 years, change doesn't just happen overnight, but it can be done. Your prime example, it can be done. It can be done, yeah. Do you know what I mean? It can be done. Paul's turn is round, Paul Ferris. Loads of people, you know, Paul Ferris. Yeah, yeah, no problem. He's a nice fellow, he's a brother, Billy. I was away with his brother, Billy. And these turn is life fans. We can do it. Yeah. We can do it. You know, we can do it. You know, we really can. You know, and yeah. You were charged with one of your serious charges which was murder. Paul Ferris, Modder. How was that experience for you, Vic? It was horrible, really, because I was around the 20 miles away from a murder. And someone had asked for someone to sort of not to kill anyone, just to say, have a word with someone. I said, I was a number. That was me, charged with murder. That was me, locked out for a year. Fighting for my life. Ellie Clopters, kind of caught five police cars in front, five police cars behind. Ellie Clopters up there, sitting and trying to go around and look too long and get me a guilty for a contract murder which Adam Paper wasn't even a contract murder, offered me eight years. So I pulled out a bit of the paper at the trial and said, oh, Nick, for a contract murder, is a bit of paper saying it would make me for GBH with intent which calls up Royce, didn't it? You could see it in the papers. He's on my website today. So I set me up for a contract murder. I didn't even do. Yeah. You know, and that's what I'm trying to say. It's that easy. That was one call I split up with a girl I was with. I was locked up for a year. Was there a thanks? Was there a fuck? And I was gutted. I got a not guilty. You know, I didn't even do it. Did that give you more anger again? Yeah, I was really angry. Yeah. I was fucking angry. A lot of people, when you get into a major crime, the system, you know, you walk into that system and it's all geared up against you. You know, like the cults, the police, you know what I mean? And it's all against you. You know what I mean? So don't think you're going to get a fair trial. Obviously, if I get a guilt on this, I'm going to walk because I've never done it. You're going to get a guilt. You ain't never getting out of jail before. Because then freedom judges ain't going to free you. Because of my past. I mean, I was sitting there. I was getting released. And I thought I was going to get dropped to normal statutory when I got released from Franklin Prison. I thought I was going to get released. And I walked out. I walked with three governors of sitting there. And he went to me, we've got a warning for your dark, right? So I was just standing there because I have to tell you before you get released. He said, trouble you, what you are, there's a line. And they said to you, you come up to that line and most people stop at that line. He said, you can't. You have to put your foot over that line. He said, we're going to tell you now. You keep doing it. You're never going to see daylight again. And that was from a threat. It was a threat from a prison governor. So I went in really. I went out and he went, yeah, really. So it was a warning to me before I even got left out of jail. I don't know where he's from. I've never seen him before. He's from the home office. I used to tell him in the last place he locked me up for the rest of my fucking life. You've been off the radar for over 10 years, Vic. Yeah, eight years. How was that? Period for you? Was that a bit of recharge and trying to think where you're going with life? No, what it was, I think what it is, I met a girl. And I've become like a family man. And I've got some really good friends around me. They were loyal. We don't see each other. But they're friends. The ways they are. The ways we'll be there. If you need them. Yeah, if we need them. I've got other friends. They only travel to prison though. They give me... When you talk about the underworld, the underworld's built from the prison systems because I can walk into a pub, look across that pub, and I know he's been in prison for eight years for armed robbery, three years for violence. So they make, by putting people in prison, they give us our own, lot of friends from Scotland down to Dorset. I know everyone up down in the country. That's my PowerPoint because when I was in prison when I was a double A cat, I never come back to Cockneyland. I was in Franklin Falls, Sutton, Longlarton. I went to Parkhurst. I never come back to London for nearly nine years. So when I come back to London, I have to spend all my time up north in the units and the control units and that. It's really weird to hear all the people talking like me. It was always like yourself, James Scottish, Jordies, Scarsers, Mentunians. And it's really weird because I got back south and the screw went, Do you want a cat to tell you mate? And I thought, fuck it, you know what's unusual. I thought that's unusual. I thought that's unusual because I spent 10 years with Novan Connection. So when I come out, obviously I talk to people up there in England. How was the experience after the Danny Dyer documentary? Because everybody knew you then. People knew who you were anyway because of the reputation, but that must have enhanced that. Did you find a lot more people would try to speak to you? Did you ever get used? People always want to be your friend because of the power that you had? I don't like that, James. It honestly don't work like that because what happens with prison it makes you anti-social. So really to get close to me you've got to be someone special. I mean like my friends are special because I've got some really good friends I trust them with my life. And they'll turn it up and they go, you all right? I go, you're fine. I go, all right. No problems with disappear. Because that's what we are. We're an underground system. All this about standing man giving it, all these gangs running around to get whatever it's on all that. No, no, you are. Fucking hell. Do you have a good little camera mate? Do you know who they know you are? Put a bug in your house, put a thing in. Listen, let's go up a league. Let's work out how the government really works, right? I had security guards outside my house, right? Security guards, my fucking asshole. There was an old bill sitting on me, mate for five fucking weeks for something I didn't even do. This is only a little while ago, right? And I knew there was an old bill. There was police out. And one of someone said to him can we get in the back of his ass? I want to get in the back of my ass. For fuck what? Cameras here. Cameras, I've got dogs and everything. You're still getting grief then to this day? Never going to fucking back up. I don't think so because obviously reputation you had. So through all your madness, Vic now you're trying to get a six-part series. Is that end talks are here? Yeah, brilliant. I'm writing with a great team. His name's Ben. He's a writer. He's done more. He's just done a 12-millions-bound film. We're doing a six-part series. It's from when I grew up since I was a kid. It goes into armed robberies and all that. It's like a film called Heat. It's another film called... What was it called? Ben Affleck in It Town. I watched that film. That was from Boston. It ground all the banks. That's exactly it. The six-part series has been wrote on that. I've got a great team here who's doing it for me. A lot of plug it if we can, John. Of course we can. I've got everything on the bios. I've got everything that Vic spoke about. Even your boot and stuff as well. Anybody who can get in contact with will leave emails out on the bios to check the bios out. Not a problem, Vic. Moving forward for the future then and getting that six-part out. The massive thing that you're doing that I was speaking out about. Night of Crime, which is massive for you. Does that make you feel a bit better as well that you're trying to heal others and doing something natural that's good for you? All the time we've been put down. We've got good art. We're old school, right? And the kids have got to learn. Put the knife down. All the slobid is put the fucking knife down. Like I said, don't help the old bill. Throw it away. If you've been bullied, go to another guy who can bully them. Do you know what I mean? Talk to your brother, talk to your dad, talk to someone. You need help. Don't go with the old bill. Just say to them, I need a bit of help here. Always give someone a way out. When you're in confrontations with someone, give someone a way out so they don't have to come you or me. That's what we do. I don't want to kill you. You don't want to kill me. It's just my jungle. You want to kill me. I'm going to kill you, right? Give them a way out. And I want a way out. We don't want to kill each other. See what I mean? That's what we look for. That's what you've got to do. All these young kids, give someone a way out. Give yourself a way out. Because if it gets, you're going to end up dead. One is seriously injured. Give each other a way out. So you can slip through the back door and don't lose face. So what do you got to do? What do you think of bullies, Vic? We've got bullies all our life. I've been bullied. I've been bullied by the prison system. I've been bullied by my dad. I've been bullied by the fucking kids in school. It's just a part of life. And the good thing about us, we're not going to get bullied. So would you like to leave a final message for anybody watching Vic? Yeah, thanks for your chance of giving us an interview. Absolutely, yeah. Absolutely pleasure, no? And then let's say, you know, like, you know, poverty is sought to poverty out. Let's knock down on rice fries. Let's get mate, drugs legal. Let's ask all the kids put a knife down. Just go and talk to someone. Please. Don't kill someone for the sake of it, okay? But Vic, I know you don't do many interviews, but for coming on today and telling your story. Yeah, thanks mate. I really appreciate it. But it's, understand we spoke about your whole life and obviously the stories that some people want to hear. But the main objective is not to make the same mistakes you did. People can change, people can bet your life, even all the shit you went through in the past. It's major who you are today. So I respect for you for coming on here and telling your story and I really appreciate it. So God bless and good luck with everything for the future. Along with Scotland. Thank you very much.