 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners thanks to all of you including Miss Music teacher James C Smith and Miranda Janell coming up on DTNS Netflix ups the fight against password sharing why Gen Z doesn't use Google and Will Smith is here to talk about the democratization of broadcast This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday July 19th 2022 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio Redwood I'm Sarah Lane in Salt Lake City. I'm Scott Johnson and I'm the show's producer Roger Chang joining us the co-host of the Brad and Will made a tech pod Podcast is the will in that podcast name Will Smith. Welcome. Hey Tom. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being here, man I can't wait to talk about sort of the overview of how much easier it is to do broadcasting than when all of us started this It turns out it's a little bit of a different vibe now like like everything that used to be expensive is cheap and now it's easy So here we are, which is good. It's good for everyone, but let's start with a few tech things. You should know Samsung mobiles unofficial rather official Twitter account appears to have confirmed the date of its next unpacked event as August 10th 2022 it was in a series of cryptic images Including letters numbers and symbols and a variety of tweets colored circles that together can all be decoded as 08 1022 as in August 10th 2022 get it a recent leak from Evan Blass a ka of leaks on Twitter suggested the same date Current rumors include an announcement of a galaxy fold 4 and a galaxy flip 4 plus the galaxy watch 5 and watch 5 pro I Was thinking it was going to be oh you 812 but I was wrong Delaware chance record judge Kathleen McCormick has set the trial between Twitter and Elon Musk to take place for five days in October Twitter is suing Elon Musk for breach of contract in relation to his agreement to purchase Twitter Twitter It asked for a date in September Musk requested a date in April and the judge said neither of you get it We're doing October Qualcomm announced an updated wearables platform called snapdragon w5 plus and w5 Replacing the current snapdragon wear branding the 4 nanometer w5 plus chip is made for premium smartwatches With the w5 meant for devices like smartwatches for kids fitness trackers and some enterprise devices the platform's hybrid Architecture is the same as in snapdragon wear 3100 and 4100 trips although qualcomm says that 50% longer battery life and double the performance and a 30% reduction in Size is part of why w5 plus will be better with multi-day battery life in some cases The oppo watch 3 will be the first with the w5 in august and the first wear Oh s3 watch will be mobbies tick tock watch running the w5 plus later this atom Google announced it will let developers of non gaming apps on the play store in the European economic area That's the EU plus a few other countries use alternative billing systems for in-game transactions Developers will be charged 3% less than they would if they use Google's own system Which is a little bit different than what they're doing in Korea where they give you a 4% discount Google said they made the change in advance of the digital markets act Which is probably going to go into effect later this year in the EU in other Google payments news Google began rolling out Google Wallet on Android in 39 countries saying it will be available to all users over the next Few days in most countries wallet is going to roll out as an update to Google pay But if you're in the US or Singapore Google pay is sticking around as a way to send peer-to-peer payments Slack announced its first price increase since launching in 2014 Effectively September 1st monthly pro plans increase 75 cents per month to 875 per user While those paid annually increase 58 cents to 725 per user prices remain the same for teams on a business plus Plan and enterprise customers as well the free tier also get some changes shifting to saving It's saving the last 90 days of messages and uploads rather than showing the last 10,000 messages and 5 gigs of uploads So they would like you to pay if possible. All right, let's talk about something that matters Let's do it. We have talked about matter before that's the project that's supposed to make it easier for smart home Devices to interoperate no matter who makes them one element of matter is a low-powered networking protocol called thread So Tom, let us know a little more. Shall we what is thread indeed? I've been preparing an episode of know a little more on this thread is a mesh type network And the oversimplified explanation is that each device on a mesh network can talk directly to every other device No matter who made them so essentially each thread device you get will be an access point So it can pass along information and you don't need a special hub. That's the big difference between it and say Zigbee Thread can't handle a lot of data though and its range is about the same as Zigbee 200 to 300 meters That's why matter also supports Wi-Fi if you need high data or Bluetooth low energy for lower rate for longer ranges But the mesh network means that thread works great for sensors That are near to other sensors or other devices that are in the thread network that can pass along the data threads faster more reliable a little more secure and more interoperable than previous protocols, but It cannot connect to the internet on its own So you don't need a hub But if you want cloud control or if you want to be able to talk to non-thread devices in some cases You do need something that they call a border router something that can talk to the thread devices But also talk to the internet Which brings us to the news today thread 1.3.0 just dropped which lets any thread device work with any thread order router Don't let the word router confuse you. It does not have to be a traditional internet router Although it can be thread is backwards compatible So a current thread device can upgrade to thread 1.3.0 for the increased capability and Compatibility the verge notes that the following devices will support thread 1.3.0 with a software update the nest hub Mac smart display and the second gen of the same the nest Wi-Fi mesh router Apple TV 4k Apple HomePod mini Amazon Echo 4th Gen smart speaker Nano leaf shapes elements and lines LED light panels and the Wi-Fi six versions of Euro mesh routers or newer If you have more than one of those you're gonna want to pick one to control the network Otherwise the mesh won't work as well because you'd have competing mesh networks You'd have separate ones you want them all in the same so you get the meshiness of it expect more manufacturers though to join as devices just need an always-on power source and an internet connection to become one of those border routers this unifies threads so all thread devices can now work with each other thread 1.3.0 also requires devices to use TCP for firmware updates so you can update your device all at one time You can update them all at once and update them remotely You won't have to stand near it with your phone anymore, which you had to do with some of them We will have a full episode describing thread coming on know a little more comm this Thursday But will how are you feeling about matter and thread? So I was a little bit worried about it because you know, it's the old XKCD right is like you have a standard So it's like this the standard kind of sucks We should add another standard and then next you know, there's another standard But talking to people who work in the industry Paul Schautson from home assistant Some other folks that are that are close to this are pretty excited about it and think that it solves a lot of The problems with ZigBee and Z-Wave and the existing kind of low-level infrastructure Protocols that are around now Scott you're excited Yes, because for years now you've been telling me about mesh networks and I say that seriously for at least two three years Tom has tried to help me understand why a mesh network might be cool And I feel like we're finally getting there where it would matter to me So if this is it great, but I still worry about that next best standard thing and you know a year from now You telling me that oh forget all that now. There's this. Yeah forget the thousand bucks you spent you're good I mean, I'm right there with you this hopefully this is the exception that proves the rule fingers crossed. Yeah, yeah Well, you might have heard that Netflix is expanding its test of detecting out-of-home use on accounts people sharing their accounts with others and The company is asking people to pay more for those out-of-home users in Argentina El Salvador Guatemala Honduras and the Dominican Republic Users may be prompted to add a home and pay two dollars and ninety nine cents per month extra It's one dollar and seventeen cents in Argentina if Netflix can detect that a user is Outside of the house and it's using the service for more than two weeks So it's kind of like you're not on vacation you're somebody else Users can add one extra home to a basic account two to a standard account and three to a premium account This is different than the test going on in Costa Rica Peru in Colombia Where users are asked to add up to two extra sub accounts if users outside of home are detected So let's explain how they differ Scott. All right on its support page This is what Netflix says you can watch Netflix on your laptop your mobile device while traveling Both those things are fine, but Netflix specifically says if you're watching on a TV You can watch up to two weeks at a location outside your home And this is allowed once per location per year Now kind of interestingly the verge reported the support page for this in Honduras originally read After that time meaning two weeks the TV will be blocked unless you add the extra home However, that language seems to have been removed Hmm. Well to help manage people you may have a shared password with your kids your mom your dad Whatever intentionally or not Netflix soon will let you see where your account is being used and give you the option to sign out of that location So how does it determine if you're inside your own house or not? Yeah? Netflix actually gave us some details this time not not full details But it says it's using information such as IP addresses device IDs and account activity So using a VPN might trip this Netflix in fact gives troubleshooting tips for users who may get the add a home prompt when they're at home in their primary location Among the tips are make sure that the device is not connected to a VPN proxy or any unblocker service It also recommends connecting to the same internet connection as other devices in the home Unblocker service coming shortly before Netflix adds adds to their service. How convenient is that? But yeah, so they're saying look we're looking at VPN And if you're running a VPN and that VPN IP address says you're in San Jose But you're really in Los Angeles that that that could trip this the system The the the whole Language was removed that said and if you don't if you do this for more than two weeks, you're gonna get cut off I Think it's still implied that they would cut you off or else they wouldn't even bother with any of this I have to assume that Netflix wants to tread carefully They don't want to lose a bunch of users had kind of a rocky quarter as of late So I wonder when that language comes back and and what it'll say yeah Because in the Costa Rica Peru Columbia one that you mentioned where they just asked you to add an account not add a home They aren't cutting you off. It really is just to like hey, you should pay please do good faith Yeah, because they know that that'll get a number of people to do it Which is better than than nobody doing it right because they bring an extra revenue So it felt like it was a little more aggressive for them to say no We're gonna do hard enforce this and maybe they're backed off on the hard enforcement Yeah, it seems to me that I'm kind of with Sarah. I'm kind of scratching my head like if you're gonna say That you're gonna turn you turn your account off But then pull that language but not but not loosen the rules or not Address it in some other way that just tells me they're gonna they're gonna kill it So I have this feeling and I don't know I'm not in some of the affected areas that we're talking about today But I have this feeling that I need to like get ahold of all my kids talk to my mom talk to my sisters and just make sure Hey, who's using who's what right now because I don't know I have no idea I don't remember who who maybe is sharing a thing or maybe I'm sharing somebody something I don't think so because I pay for Netflix, but it's all a little bit confusing So I don't know as long as I get people plenty of notice and say yeah It looks like if this is happening over here and communicate this stuff. Well, it'll probably be okay It's an interesting choice to go after this really hard now too when they're also seeing like problems with users on the content side Like their their content isn't resonating now there's a lot of like industry articles in the Hollywood press about this on the regular about how you know, they keep launching new shows and they're not seeing any pickup their movies aren't landing and You know Like to go after users for sharing accounts at this point feels a little bit tone-deaf when the content's not resonating It seems like it's an easy decision to just turn the key Well, I would characterize this as going easy right because they're starting in limited countries there They pulled back from the block thing I feel like Netflix is trying to just see at what kind of effect this is going to have But the reason they're doing it is because they aren't making the amount of money that they need to make off the existing Userbase and they've reached saturation in a lot of markets like the United States So they their only way to make more money is to go after that incremental revenue because they just can't add more people And that explains why they're doing it at all like you say though. Is it going to risk? Driving people away. Well, it would be driving people away who don't pay So maybe that doesn't matter. I don't know might be fine. Yeah But Netflix also added into the breach as one of its mobile games included with your Netflix subscription into the breach one best strategy game at The 2018 game awards. There's a bit of new content in the Netflix version And it has been adapted for mobile if you're a Netflix subscriber You can just access it with your Netflix account no additional charge. That's an excellent game It's actually a really good get for them. I don't know if it's a timed thing or what the deal is and it's not a brand new game So probably have some levity there, but they what they can do with it or I have to keep I heard leverage is what I meant But I wanted at least mentioned that they had another hit on their hands that I don't know if enough people know about and that game's called pointy came out last year or last month rather and Was by the downwell developer. It is a fantastic Vertically held phone game that doesn't have any microtransactions other than what you pay for Netflix Just wanted to slide that in great recommendation great came and you can play it outside your home Our job here on DTNS is to help you understand tech better and there was a story last week I think worth bringing up last week Google senior vice president Prabhakar Raghavan said at the fortune brainstorm tech conference quote in our studies something like almost 40% of young people when they're looking for a Place for lunch. Don't go to Google Maps or search. They go to tiktok or Instagram This is some internal data from surveys Google did of people between the ages of 18 and 24 Raghavan said younger people are generally interested in more visually rich forms of search and discovery Sarah this shocked you it did okay, so this morning. I read this. I was like what how does that even work on tiktok? Maybe there's some like features of tiktok. I don't know about so I typed in lunch near me That didn't work because tiktoks like what that's you know I just got like weird videos where that was in a caption So I was like, okay. Hmm. Let me pick a town near me. Sebastopol, California Which is like one town over from where I am lunch in Sebastopol And I did get some hits and there were certain places a few of them I've actually been to but let's just say I was looking for I don't know a ramen place kind of thing I can watch the tiktok. Sure. There's you know, maybe a person narrating it's very tiktokky You see like beautiful You know bowls of noodles and you know, maybe some appetizers and it's like yeah in the You know in the data that you can see It does say Sebastopol it's been tagged there But there's nowhere to click on it to see a map. You don't get directions You don't have user reviews and I know I sound like an old but I'm like, okay I can see sort of starting here to say I just like to get a sense of the place and then going to google to get more information about how actually to get there And what their hours are and if they're open right now and maybe I can make a reservation I don't know how younger people are using tiktok and to a lesser extent instagram for this kind of information I mean part of it is we you and I I'm with you on this you and I expect Functional transfer of information to action right we want to go search for restaurants near me Look at some quick reviews get directions drive or call an order or whatever like we want those steps And I think if I'm to guess and I know tom's going to tell us all about this But if I had to guess if you're 12 years old to 18 years old as an example You're using it to search for stuff you're into right down that really has no applicable Sort of daily need. It's just I oh I heard about this band. I'm going to find it here Oh, I heard about this stupid meme. I'm going to find it here if I search for it I think those are the things they're looking for they're not trying to find the closest home depot yet When they get there, they're going to need the tools we have but I think right now the stuff They're wanting the things they're looking for or just aren't practical in terms of What you and I are looking for at the moment, but I mean in the case of What raghavan said, you know and he used Looking for a place for lunch That all that stuff does matter because we you're not going to fly across the country to go get lunch We are guilty of gen x think right now and how could we not be that's who we are but we think top down We think oh google is the search engine where you find information I think if I have this right and please gen z folks in the audience. Let me know if I got even close It's you are using tiktok and instagram you find out about places and you see them and you're like that place looks cool That place is cool. I'm going to save that for later share that with a friend. Do you want to go there? Once you've decided then you might use google to like oh is it open and where is it? But but it's the last part of the step It's not you don't go to google to be like oh find a place to eat It's it's I don't know will you but you brought up the word experiential when we were talking about this earlier today Well, I mean, I think that's it It's it's like you you watch the you watch the the video of the person making the taco salad on the countertop And you're like i'm never going to do that. It's novelty. It's interesting I watch food videos all the time to find stuff that I don't know about you know Whether it's you know just Detroit style pizza with the hard cheese crust on the edge or whatever and then But i'm probably not going to use tiktok as an old to go out and and and find the the pizza place near me I'm gonna i'm going to look for the i'm going to learn about the thing On tiktok and then i'm going to go search for it on google like any decent human being Or duck duck go or brave or wherever you're at We don't really get the idea of saying let's see what the vibe is like And tiktok feels maybe a little bit more alive than the photos that you're going to see On a google search or just on the internet in general or maybe the restaurants own website I get that it just seems like it's a first step sure But perhaps an unnecessary one I did a little math while we were here and not math but a little research my son Who's a gen z and his girlfriend also gen z I just asked them while we were talking Hey, have either of you used tiktok as a search engine and their replies came back My son says is that even possible? I do not he says his girlfriend says honestly I think I do every once in a while, but only if i'm looking for specific tiktoks Sometimes I will see she's going on here. I'll summation it here But she says basically if there's a if there's a restaurant or an account that does restaurants here in sell like city She'll follow that account and go to that account often to hear what they're talking about No, we're gonna try that hot dog place next time we're here But they don't need to go look up a bunch of other stuff until the day they go Right. So it's kind of like piecemeal. It's like well, I'll watch this and get inspired But then I'll hop over to my maps app or my google search or whatever to get a little more if I need it Otherwise, I'm just here to be entertained get the info and get out. Yeah, so Well, I mean, it's kind of what my wife does who's younger in spirit than all of us Uh, she finds great places on tiktok tiktok marks them for later You know, and then then we go eat there and it's delicious I think LA is the most tiktok-y of the u.s cities though, too. It may be it may be Yeah, there may be a cultural bias that I that I'm living inside of for sure Uh, it's special guest week here on dts all week long if you like what you're hearing Spread the word tell your friends to watch or listen to daily tech news show all this week because we got great people on the show like will Of course there announced it's integrating nvidia's broadcast audio and video features into its iq and elgato software So you don't need a separate app anymore to do noise removal or add virtual backgrounds or all that stuff As long as you have a compatible headset microphone or camera and an nvidia rtx GPU This kind of news along with things like stream deck and roadcaster are making it easier than ever to broadcast from wherever you want 15 years ago This kind of broadcast tech was limited to niche or traditional media outfits that could afford the technology and the server fees for the broadband Now people in homemade studios like the ones we're in can compete for the same audiences as traditional broadcasters Will you've been following this trend and participating in it for years? What do you think is behind this democratization of broadcast tech? Well, so tom there's a bunch of different stuff right one is one is that you know Broadband is accessible now and most people can get decent broadband where they are But I think the the bigger thing is that phones have brought down the cost of A bazillion different kinds of chips with its wi-fi and bluetooth and networking stuff whether it's audio 80c's I guess audio to digital converters Cameras things like that are all cheaper because we're shipping billions of them every year in phones You know in the old days when you used to leave the house I did these I did a talk about how you could tell the future by looking at the cost At what apple and samsung and google were putting in their their phones for the next year And if you look at like 2007 the cost of an accelerometer chip, which is just what what you know tells you if the phone's moving Nothing else They were like 23 cents a pop a year later When the iphone 3g came out with an accelerometer in it I think the the cost of that chip went down to a tenth of a cent And then two years after that it was just integrated in the soc and became essentially free for anybody who was using an arm soc um So so like that stuff has combined to make the thing that that you know We were building a future you guys were building a cnet or even when we started whiskey in the late 2000 late 2000s I guess we spent 150 grand setting up a studio with a couple of cameras a couple of three cameras An audio board a video switcher And and stuff like that and now you have a computer You spend a couple hundred bucks on a camera a couple hundred bucks on a microphone You're pretty much and and some lights you're pretty much there It turns out I just I packed it all up in the car and came on vacation with it earlier this month So it's it's a little bit more accessible. It's a little bit easier to get to uh than it was in the past and and um The software side is also incredibly relevant to that too, you know In 2000 2000 in 2000 there was no software to stream with right you bought Wirecast or something that was phenomenally expensive and bespoke and now you just downloaded a copy of obs which is an open source Program that's been in development now for what 12 years. I think I think I think they started um, I think uh, jim posted the first version of obs in like 2012 When twitch was new so yeah, he he a guy some guy wanted to stream some starcraft Didn't want to pay the 50 bucks for whatever the software was at the time And and wrote his own version of a video compositor and and now it's this thing that millions of people around the world use Uh and probably including us. I don't know what you all what you're all's backing looks like. I totally do. Yeah And then the cool thing about obs in that particular case is Those tools are not only incredibly simple, but given its open source nature and how long it's been bouncing around Uh Over these years, it's easily the most stable version But there are also forks of it that stream labs use as and they have got their own development path And there are others that are doing it as well But I don't think any of us predicted that this you know at the time janky little video game streaming software In the earliest days of twitch and the waning days of justin tv was going to end up being such a standard for Way more than that people who aren't gamers at all people on max people all over the place using obs in ways that Basically give them a broadcast center in there at their fingertips and And they're getting it for free, which is you know, which is awesome. And it's still the best thing out there. I love it Yeah, it's it's um, it's interesting because we saw this accelerate kind of when the pandemic started everybody started working from home And you know, they'd been this cottage industry for streamers and people who wanted to You know make videos for youtube and stuff like that for a long time But then all of a sudden we're all stuck at home. We're all you know turning our extra bedroom or whatever into an office And you know, everybody's buying microphones everybody's buying You know good microphones and and good lights and all of that kind of streamer cottage industry hardware Became a really important part of like the business world too. So it's it's been it's been a really it's been fascinating to watch And it's it's really exciting From a content creator perspective because it means that the bar for entry is so much lower than it was 10 15 20 years ago Yeah, for sure and the more the more that you see this stuff come out of Major makers of software hardware and whatever the the the more at home this stuff will be I do worry a little bit That now it's getting wrapped up in Some gardens a little bit and vidya's garden in particular here They control a lot of this stuff now and almost all of it hinges on their rtx GPUs Which for a while there were impossible to get I know that's gotten better lately Um, but there's some issues with all of that, you know, I'd love this to be a little bit more Everybody can use it no matter where they're at what they're doing and what they're using Um, but I you know that writing was on the wall. This stuff becomes more popular Obviously people are going to try to monetize it the best they can and I like nvidia but You know some of some of that pioneering tradition that that we all entered in in the in the mid delayed odds is Just a little bit off when it comes to you know now everybody now the corporations have their hands in it And I guess that's the story of everything. So I shouldn't be surprised, but here we are Well, let's extrapolate a little bit then uh to to round this up So in 1993 you needed a grass valley switcher and a and a big location and a bunch of expensive, you know three-quarter inch tape recording cameras Uh, and then 15 years ago you could get some hd cameras and and and they were a little lighter And you could bond, you know broadband Modems together for mobile and then today we have the situation that will just describe where you can you know Off the shelf through amazon spend a few hundred dollars. Where do you think this is going next will? Oh, that's that's fascinating. I think it's I think more than getting deeper in into these into this area like I don't microphones have been You know your your your electro voice microphone has been the same price for the last 40 years at this point Right, so I don't think microphones are going to get cheaper But the thing that is going to start happening is we're going to see software eat more of those high-end markets So it's the same thing that happened with with dslr's Endpointing shoots have all been you know those those markets have been Shrunk down to the point that only you know professionals buy dslr's at this point and enthusiasts Who want the want all the features of the camera because everybody else is just you know using their iphone and The software is good enough We're seeing the same thing happen with speakers with audio and like the the You know the google voice of the home pod speakers versus sonos and stuff like that So I I think I think the the thing is the thing to ask yourself is what markets can we add software and smarts to that will See the same kind of enhancement that content creation and photography and stuff like that have and and I think we're I mean, it's impossible to say at this point, but um I'm I'm always looking to see what's next. Yeah. Yeah, me too fascinating stuff All right. Let's let's see what content has kicked out today, sarah Well, there's an adventure game called stray That became available today has you solving puzzles you navigate an urban environment You're pitted against powerful enemies sounds pretty you know like an adventure game But you're also playing as a cat and you're seeing everything from the cat's perspective And you're doing things that cats do now if the cat part isn't enough You have also got a drone friend named b12 that they're helping you solve the mysteries of the world Humans are sort of not around. It's all robots. The cat wants to know where the humans went The cat never talks because everybody knows that cats don't talk only in the movies Along with lots of those adventures Uh stray will appeal to cat people because you can scratch up carpets and couches when you're not actually You know trying to stay alive. You can ruin in progress board games That's the thing cats like to do you can lie down for a snooze if you like Stray launches today on ps4 ps5 and steam. I know roger is world's biggest cat person. So go get him You're gonna get it roger. What's the plan? Even the course you are you have a steam account. You're getting it. I have a steam account I'll just load up on some anti histamines and I'll be There you go. Yeah Is if I I asked some gamer friends, hey, you know Uh anybody excited about this and a couple of them were like, I don't know that seems a little gimmicky And then everyone else was like cat game. Yes. Can't wait. I I will say when I first heard about it a while back I was like But the more I hear about the more interesting it is because it does kind of take you and shift you out of the Very human-centric perspective that most games Offer you whether it's you know, like a shooter or or sports game or anything Yeah, it's a real get for playstation owners as well. This is an exclusive to them at least for now and uh on the computer side We got it on steam I think that what makes these games interesting is that they're trying new things and mashing things up that we don't think about So a cat Uh trying to figure out what to do in the world. Meanwhile, where are the humans? Why are we living in this cyberpunk? Strangeness, what's with all the robots? Like These all these all speak to me with the exception of the cat part because I don't really like cats that much But that's okay. It's a video game. I don't like golf either and I play golf video games. So I'm kind of all in on this I'm going to try it out this week Well, go ahead will oh, I loaded it up this morning for about 10 minutes And I got to the part where it said press circle to meow And then next thing I do I've got an achievement for meowing a hundred times. So Uh, I'm in it's good 10 out of 10 game of the year as far as I'm I was going to say I'm not sure if you're a real cat person or not But you certainly are when you are a cat Who was inside a game? Will Smith, thank you so much for being a great guest with us today cat person or not We'd love to have you back soon. Let folks know where they can keep up with what else you do So you can find me on twitter at will smith Every week I do a podcast with my friend brad shoemaker called brand made a tech pod where we Break down a single topic generally. So I was out last week because I had the covid So we had a special guest on last week's episode From jpl to come in and talk about what it's like to operate camera cameras on mars He was the the camera operator on the curiosity rover for the hazard cams for a long time And it's gotten a promotion since we recorded that episode But um, but yeah, we break down a single topic and kind of dig deep into it We're going to do some matter and thread stuff in the next several weeks And then we also do the phosphod every other week which we is a deep dive interview with a Maintainer or creator of a of a large open source projects. We've talked to the folks who maintain vlc Blender is coming up soon. OBS a home assistant. We mentioned earlier a bunch of other Amazing, you know the open source projects that are changing the world. It's a it's a small mandate. So We have a lot of fun with both of those and you can find them at At tech pod content at town Very cool scott johnson good to have you today throwing everybody a curveball it's tuesday not wednesday But uh, it was great to see you let folks know what What else you do? I don't want it to be weird But I did it because I knew will is going to be here today and we never seem to get on the same show So, uh, I knew I could make this happen But anyway, hey tuesday listeners if you want to check out more of my stuff You can find a stack of podcasts a whole bunch of artwork and other things over at frogpants.com In particular check out the podcast and listen to one of my gaining shows You might like core a lot for example Or we talk a lot about the stuff that got mentioned today So go check all that out. That's at frogpants.com and i'm on twitter at scott johnson We also have a brand new boss to thank matthew just started backing us on patreon. 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