 and going back to the players thing that you talked about before it's a mere few years ago when the two players who may have claimed or be perceived as Everton fans as the ones who kept us up were with Charleston and Anthony Gordon and neither of them were there anymore no so I can't really do the bleeding heart stuff for Newcastle or for Villa or whoever got to sell the best players to stick to the rules I would advocate guys don't sell your best players give the odd finger to the rules because in the big picture sense you ain't gonna get end up in a nice place no because you're so in the branch that you sat on because you get rid of your best players you perform badly in the league because you perform badly in the league you end up with less money because you end up with less money you more likely to breach the regulations because you're more likely to breach the regulations you're gonna get punished you know and the worst case scenario of that is what happens to Derby County is just don't go down one division you go down a couple before you level off