 All right and we're back season two man. Let's get it man. Everybody give it up for season two. New Jack Drillers City is going down in the major wave man. It's your boy Jack Drillers. And here we got a great young lady today. Man yo I'm over here with two ghetto legends right now man. You know what I'm saying? These guys right here man are two of my closest friends man. Yo whenever I need some studio time I'm always calling my boy uh uh King James word. Yes sir. I didn't know you was that talented bro. Hey dawg you ain't heard my new shit. You ain't heard my new shit. You ain't sent me nothing. Oh bro listen we gotta talk we gotta work we got some new situations that's going on over here and then I you know I'm listening to the new project that you got would give me. You've been talking about this for a minute now. Come on now. You know what I'm saying? The mighty mighty uh goody-mo beat. Come on man. Yo keep goody up in this motherfucker man. What's up baby? How you doing? Hey yo it's a pleasure and an honor to have you on this show. I've been seeing you around. You know what I'm saying? I thought you was out here doing Vlad TV interviews out there bitch. And what now you you you everywhere right now. Well we're talking that shit. I mean we just trying to give people just another alternative than just following what the narrative is. Bruh. I love it. You room wrecking right now. You know one of the things that definitely touched my heart. I'm one of the biggest pock fans in the world and those those untold pock stories that you that you you put out there. Abra. You know I just want to salute you and thank you man. Y'all give it up for you heard that you heard it like real light in the past and everything that you guys were friends and everything. But when you go into intricate detail about those moments and whatnot and there's like really pinked the pictures and I don't know if you you've ever talked about it to this extent. No I never really talked about it. Is there any particular reason why? Because we come from the 90s. You know a lot of them times you know you was either there. Yeah it wasn't no internet none of that kind of stuff. So you know if you was there and a lot of things happened that was real um to the left of uh being center a lot of times you just didn't talk about them. 100%. So I can definitely dig in. You know uh you know we it was a lot different then and the and the laws and how we carried ourselves as a community was different. You know so that's the reason why I hadn't spoke about it. It's a it's a it's a uh I'm glad you just said that right now because you just reminded me of a question I definitely wanted to ask you about you know people people wonder if is things are more dangerous now than they were then and some people big the difference say now it's always been like this except the difference is you can see you can see right right yeah it's on your phone and then um no it wasn't as bad uh now that it was back then and I would give you a reason why because it wasn't no cameras. See when people got all back then they knew it wasn't no cameras so they did it real dirty. Right now people do it and they jump in the cat and scratch off down the street. So it's just it's just the things that they're doing right now. We look at it as like how are you doing these crimes with so many cameras around. That's what my what what what we would say where I'm at but I mean at the same time too I just think it was a lot different back then because we still got to understand that the drug culture was new so the thing of getting money and stuff like that it was uh it caused friction a lot faster you know because I think now the e-kids and what they're doing and how they're coming up it's a lot different you know a lot of e-kids and made millions of prescription drugs so the the the danger of getting in trouble or having a violent you know you know uh confrontation is just a lot less you know a lot of the stuff that's going on there is just these kids was locked up in the house playing video games you know GTA and then when they let them out for a year then everybody started doing what they were doing on the games in real life. That's all because I just think a lot of this stuff ain't got nothing to do with no real beef it's just like essentially it's just we this is what this is how we've been kind of programmed for the last if you say something to them I'ma get off on you but at the same time too we see ain't nobody too many people getting off they can they they walking you down in a couple of months you know me because there's cameras everywhere so I just look at it like that um no those times 85 to 93 ain't nothing messing with that because it was it was mad as murder then and I've been telling people all the time too and they don't believe me your ass whoopings was real and they were going for the low ass whoopings was half price yeah I think they was on clearance they were liquidated ass yeah I'm talking my nigga was stuffing you with boots on yeah and tell you till your ears was touching I try and tell people all the time when I first started going to high school man you know they were still initiating kids so you you know that first night that ninth grade year it was like you was running the class there wasn't no walking so so I just think that the times has changed a lot of these kids and grew up a lot different yeah sure no a lot different and back then I just think that uh like you said man ass whoopings was like at then getting a sandwich it was like you said something wrong boy it was like in your chest and then it was on top of we weren't in the guns like that no you know I mean it was it was about can you fight can you fight you know so it was streets of rage streets of rage for sake of genesis yes sir it was like that and we were kids and we used to watch that movie the uh the uh the lost boys and stuff like that so it was more about us trying to trying to uh you know get that manhood through beating somebody up you know I think the guns came out yeah who could fight the best you know because everybody gotta went home you I will bleed you know one joke went too many I before Chris Rock there was me was will Smith and Jack I can I can believe that boy you have my partner to change hot for a good little minute but you have you had chain hot on the south side boy hey hey hey man you know it too you know it too that's why you laugh check this out hey man hey if I if I would have known that he went on and he would dare to have serious I would have stopped the love when I was when that nigga was saying what he was going to do to me I was like I think you're the only one that made chains show the world exactly how you built yeah yeah only you're the only one so you you you got a war for that one hey hey bro it's funny because um it's like it's fun this shit happened back in like two uh 2016 yeah but we we six years later yeah what was it seven years later seven years later and whatnot and um when I see that their footage because it come up a lot now yeah it comes up a lot now when I see that footage of that nigga talking to me like that I'm I'm seeing myself and I'm like damn I don't want to be that nigga and I remember my girl the girl at the time she was she was scared at the house but she wouldn't stop listening to his music because she was playing the nigga I'm like bitch you want to kill her he's gonna kill you too if you quit me that nigga said look at y'all look at us you think he talking about us he's not gonna fuck with you turn that shit off it was real it was real it was definitely real because like you just said I ain't never seen a nigga get out like that too good but at that time I was living in New York yes you were yeah I was living in New York and shit and I was with 50 and what not and I thought 50 we're gonna have my back about the shit and they got that I was talking to 50 about the shit he was like hey man you better leave that nigga alone he said hey man get get two chains on the phone like that's what I'm talking about get him on the phone he had walked off with the phone he came back I was like so what what did he say yeah so I'm about to do the remix to round and round and I'm getting it because we can shit I felt like I was done for I knew I was in trouble I'm like I'm never coming back to Atlanta you bet you know and we on the south side right now and we're on the south side yeah definitely yeah definitely hey I didn't see it I was sorry about 17 times already like I'm handicapped I can't tell on you it ain't snitching if you you tell the nigga what a nigga did to you yeah it ain't snitching if you it's only snitching when you talk about another nigga oh that would be because nigga be like man you need to go handle that shit yourself and what not and goddamn run down on that nigga I'm not Batman I'm not kick ass this shit real life you could die you gotta let something's right and the nigga so goddamn tall yeah and the nigga reach so long I know I can't win I don't fight I don't get in the fights if I know I can't win the fucking fight well you know you you for the side you for the same street man you know yeah yeah hey man listen I can size it up I'm like yeah I'm gonna lose this shit I'm gonna pop out right now and like no you got it you got it you got stop stop so you love your new show you like man I love this new show man I'm really excited about it and everything when I heard your project you know like I said I already knew James was talented and everything and like I said he been talking about working with you and just here to finish product product product and whatnot and see what y'all did like I'm I'm I thought it was one or two songs when you was talking about it James like how you get a whole project up out of guilt shit man how did we do it like like it was just to me it was just timing you know what I mean like we was already working together before so we already had a working relationship so I said look let's just do a little five piece for the people and here we go yeah well but we started working on it like that the end of last year and it took us about three or four months we just was kind of like really slow with the process because James was like he go record right here then I go work on that and then he was like he go another record right here and then he broke out the 112 and I was like god damn where you get this from and I was like what's the hell he was like she we got five songs I wish y'all be happy folks and that's how it happened yeah it did okay so it's a different side of Gip on here man would you say yeah you know and um what do you call this this version of yourself because it's very uh it's it's not I'm thinking you're gonna be good in my gift on there but this is so relaxed and it's so mature I'm talking to women uh I haven't for my whole career ever talked to women specifically and I think being with James and giving me the opportunity to speak to women it gave me a new way to engage the audience so that's the reason why I think it feels so good and feels so different to everybody because I'm coming from another place that I've never discussed before in music besides just one goody mob song and that was beautiful skiing so you know that's my favorite right hey we joke about it on this show all the time on the 85 south show hello this is Carlito from a couple days ago yeah that's how we that's how we we used to goddamn on what I would call him Carlos yeah that's how I called Carlito is this Carlito from a couple of days ago oh no I swear to god that that was all cold in response and he tried he now he rich and shit he tried to act like that shit didn't happen but it's real it's real it's real man that's my shit right there I think that's the reason why it's coming off so different everybody and it's coming off so fresh everybody and then James gave me such a musical background to work with and I and we wasn't under no pressure we wasn't under A&R telling us what to do how to do it what's hot what's not hot you know it was just about us saying let's try to change the landscape of music and the landscape of music at this time is it's just it's more machine than than real life so I just think when you listen to our music now you can hear that it's real it's made by two artists to sit right beside each other and craft this album so hopefully I'm thinking that we we just did a classic for people who are looking for another alternative in music and that's just to feel music again James what was your aim also too just to add on what he just said okay I wanted to show the industry that production still matters as well like you got you got elaborate on that now so the biggest take that I've been hearing from this project is the sonics of it and how it sounds so I'm big on how quality of the sound of the music is so when I went in and produced all the records I'm like well I need this to be as crispy clean polished as possibly can be like I was on some dry shit so I think that's part part of the reason why people are revering it so high but also too like you said we're talking to women but we also talking about different topics within talking to women not just one-sided so every song got its own meaning its own story and its own identity so out of control ain't gonna sound nothing like top of the world or let you let you go ain't gonna sound like none like whatever you like so I think we went into it with just pure intentions and we weren't trying to follow nobody like like we just came from the heart with it dig dig dig um you know James like I think a lot of people in the final you was giving me you was giving me a lot of Eddie Kendrick's vibes on this man it was like we're spilling that time I'll take that yeah it was filling that type of classic and whatnot well what's your favorite song on Al man you know it's hard always hard to say man because you know they they all got different meanings but I say the the deepest one is let you go with 112 and that was the last record that we did all the project so you had all four on that well you know it's only two of them now you know Mike and Slim yeah yeah so I got Mike and Slim on it okay that's still 112 it's still 112 yeah shout to my boys show enough show enough that's what's up man so when you talk about the the production are you a musician James I am what all you play I play keys I play guitar shit I play the clarinet the clarinet I do so you and Lizzo have a good time to go hey man you never know yeah I do I do it with I like Lizzo she she dope me too now yeah I'm gonna see you a nasty you love I just stay different now yeah okay I date different now what it is I just I just I just subscribe to the whole thing what can you do for me and I see a lot she can do for me you know I'm saying too too many times we be going for quote unquote what's fine whatever that is you know I'm saying instead of what's good for us that's the reason that's the reason why a lot of relationships don't work we're following what we see people other people do other people do and you know yeah I think you like that's true that's the culture that we're living in right now and I think that's the reason why maybe my interviews have come off so striking the people because it's like I come from an era man well nobody wanted to do what the next man did and it seems like we're living in a world where everybody wants to do everything that everybody else is doing and people don't even want to be theyself no more so it's kind of like it's kind of like uh I don't understand it you know I mean I don't understand it but one thing that I that I've always understood is that truth gonna be the illusion every time in the long run and all I can do is say if you can listen from if you can go back and check the things that I've wrapped about or talked about I ain't never led you wrong and I ain't never brought you no lies so for me personally all I could do is continue to do the things that has kept me solid over this time show now yeah that's it show now and that's being me and being Atlanta and being the south we don't buy our heads to nobody money ain't nothing because Atlanta always had money that's right so if that's your tool of controlling people I'm gonna shoot that down too it's about really what you come from how you was raised some people might have money but they've been taught by the devil how to control people with it so I'm just a person that ain't gonna never be under their control I never had a publishing deal so control is something that I always fight against you know I mean I don't matter to me I look at it like this when you are this and your music is taking you around the world you are because I got people that I graduated high school with that ain't left Atlanta since we left high school so when you think about just the life that I've lived in the life that they led they didn't work for somebody I created my life so I'm just trying to show people what art will always beat the machine in the long run so love this before you love the money because loving the art form is what's gonna make you lasted not the money scripture yeah man yeah you definitely come off like you love the the art and everything and you know another thing that you don't get a lot of credit for bro you don't get no credit for is your style like you've been eclectic before eclectic was eclectic like what are you are you been uh um you know on futuristic yeah uh uh been a been a um I don't know if I want to use this word but you tell me if you could with fashionista yeah that's crazy okay all right cool going fast an issue just means that I don't want to buy off the rap baby I'm gonna go to the fact I'm gonna go to the threads though you know I mean I don't I mean my player is that how you say you a player when I bought your outfit yesterday a player you supposed to have and then he got on it ain't my fault even if I gotta get it off the internet you won't have it say that give me so I just don't understand you know man I'm not with the get-alone game and right now the industry look like the get-alone game they follow whoever got there got the money they lining up like prostitution on steward avenue never me I keep telling my home hey bro that's a purse man you ain't you ain't feeling on fanny packs man you don't know fanny packs I had a fanny pack when I was 10 and I felt crazy with it hey on the news I was done after that you know why I felt crazy with it because somebody stole my fanny pack I got robbed from my fanny pack and then like when the nigga did it that's when I realized it was a fanny pack because they were like hey nigga give me your motherfucking fanny pack after you took it I was like I'm glad I ain't got a fanny pack no more and all I had was candy all I had was candy it was like three dollars in there my allowance I ain't never got no other shit like that again I ain't well I'm glad you didn't yeah never got no goddamn but I can't tell my home boy he got the got the federal gum old shit the elf's on the shit going down and he was like nigga do you know what this is I said get a purse nigga that's a fucking purse you know what's so funny about yeah that's what the the greatest trick is yeah all you gotta do is put an emblem on something you think you it makes you more valuable and I've always felt like what about an emblem gives you self-worth bruh you talking that shit now you know what about it because if you take the emblem off it's still the same shoe bruh you've seen a girl with a big Chanel thing on I thought her name was Chanel her name was not Chanel it's fun it's funny man it's like especially the early years of hip hop man going to the flea market getting your your clothes tie-dye getting your name on it just to go to the to the to the to the what we'll go to the what the talent shows that's how Atlanta was it was about us going Friday nights after high school and going to talent shows and watching people dance you know and express themselves through art and it was all about being an individual and if you look at everything about society right now it's it's a place of hurting people into one direction whether you believe it or not and I think that's the most powerful thing about music is that you can always go against something that's wrong if you know how to write it the right song and a lot of times you don't have to be a Malcolm X sometimes you could just use the sweet words of King and you could change everything around you that's it I can dig it James how would you describe your style man what was you going for when you you found yourself my style uh I mean I just always been a kind of a fly nerdy kind of type early on and then as I transitioned I was just more of a fly player kind of type dude you know what I mean like I ain't never try to be like nobody else like I always just had my own thing like just like gippy hazelnut style like always been that way since I got into the industry it was just a thing of like um how do I present it to the world you know what I mean and that's that's what I was always focusing on for the past you know probably eight years you know focusing on that so I always to me I always been a leader like you know I'm an Aries and my birthday just passed you know what I mean so happy birthday man we were birthday was March 28 March 28 March 28 sir sir so you know we leaders man you know like we we don't we don't let nobody decide what we're gonna do you know we're gonna go out there one way or the other how do you feel like the state of music here this is for both of you out the state of music is what it is I would say this um for the kids to be making so much money offer what they're doing it's great but for them not to have the education to keep it this is where we're going wrong um the subjects that we rap about are they subjects that're going to last forever are they subjects are going to last for the moment it's it's it's for the moment you know so well well if you if you say for the moment then we just did a version of disco all over again because right now if artists can't talk about none but I've been in shooting and this that and then ain't got no real love or expression in it then um all you're doing is killing the art form money is money gonna come um what's great about it is just watching the emergence of so many stars from Atlanta that's my thing you know yeah the the the merger having future having little baby having two chains um having amigos having just having so many of them just come out and become worldwide stars that's what I love about it because it just keeps us uh strong as a city and I would say this I mean Atlanta is the only city outside of New York that got a million there on every side of it just through music so that's something that we didn't have when we started it was just us it was shady and it was Dallas so for us three to be able to sit back and you know watch Atlanta turning to what it's turning to that's the greatest thing about music but what do I feel about it when it comes to the 360 deals of being able to put artists into enslavement contracts that's the part I don't agree with money you it's not enough money and the executive can give me because the executive don't own the company so the executive can give me money and then tomorrow he fired now I get shared the money they gave me don't matter they could just write it off but they still owe me because I signed that contract so you got to deal with a lot more than what you had to deal with when I first came into the industry they figured out more ways to handshake hand to shackle the artist to the label yes people can invest in you for you to run but for somebody to invest in you and say that now they are part of your life forever that's a new form of slavery I just can't get with wow you know they could actually take the money back that they gave you now no what do you mean when you say take the money back because you know it like you acting you can you can turn my cable and whatnot but you did that uh that last month that I had old job for you you still got to come get that so so when I went back here I didn't realize I was 1500 in the hole for the last 10 years would come cash right it's still them yeah they wouldn't let me turn it back on until I had them you got it right you still got to look at that right now what what they're saying is that what James is saying they can take the money back so now now the young artist if I give you three to six million dollars I could put a life insurance on you and now if something happens to you now I can retract for having to pay whoever the rest of your contract and another way is I might assign you for a hot single three four months down the line I don't think we is hot why don't you just give me that money back and you have a night life see that's so now they can get in business with you and they got the option to get out with you but you never had the option to get out of business with them so just understand what you're getting into and we as old geez if we gonna sit around here and help the industry rape our young because if we think about it now it used to be a rock and roll world a rock and roll world it was kids it was it's foreigner it was everything else but now it's a hip hop world so now are we as black executives we know the game we know they buying our children up for cheap are we gonna keep giving them to the system are we gonna teach them at least money management once they get the money if you're gonna get three four couple of me and then shawty before we go by june before we go by car we're going to buy a business that makes money every day even if it's you got there a wing stop that thing gonna make money every day chicken gonna sell when when the when the cotton won't you know me so yeah so you gotta understand if we're gonna do different things like that to set our children up with at least these this because our child having millions of dollars bro he gonna wreck he gonna wreck i i've been there you're gonna wreck if you never had it you're gonna wreck i'm gonna be up in burlington buying everything i'm talking about winter clothes in the summer everything we're just stupid so that's the reason why i say man the game right now so much money to be made but your career so much shorter so just understand what you're doing it for and how you're doing it and what you want out of it because if you're not trying to be like if your life ain't dedicated to being an artist then the money just gonna just help you crash faster yes sir okay let me ask you this gilman we first got that money what was that what was the wildest thing you burped it up it wasn't a wild thing good amount sign first country at $20,000 $5,000 each i spent half of that green bright flea market and the other half on the Cadillac i had to get my i had to get that goddamn can down there y'all had to give me god i got that candy then i got the reverse ace on that hoe but i stopped i was ready i was ready i was done i was i was a little good but i was bad bro shit fucking like that i was ready to work then let's go ahead do get up get out and get something my verse ready so it was like that was the greatest thing but when people asked us about our thing we signed our first contracts come on man we burnt that thing in green bright and footlocking man at the the paint shop on counterton and shit what did they got with the eddy gold went here and got they got my eddy gold right yeah we were back out there about a hundred fluff little game money left it was over with you know it was time to get back to work but that's what made recording soul food so great yeah yeah because he just gave us just a little bit to show what the game was and then it was like get back to work y'all so we recorded soul food on camomile road and Curtis made for your house behind the church out of here yeah we performed it you know what people don't know is Hank Aaron owned all the all the churches on the south side south west side that's Hank Aaron church chief church ever hang Aaron for forever than that you're about church chicken on south side that was Hank Aaron with them big look I'm talking about look look don't talk about it now Popeye's serving that baby chicken yeah I want that fat chicken give me that I don't want that baby yeah so here like recording his that's where rick then we're like yo bro we ain't recording at the dungeon where we never could record a dungeon that's what people don't understand yeah tell me about that we never could record in Lakewood Lakewood was our first thing all we could do was listen to a beat for two weeks straight and hopefully your rap make it on the song got you that's how rick them that's how we always knew it was a hit record because ricka let it run in the dungeon for a whole week just to see if anybody like nah that ain't it but like stuff like ain't no thing but a chicken wing like that beat boom that shit was in the dungeon for a whole week there was before we even put lyrics on it you know all that kind of stuff was just training us to be right once he said come on let's go down to Doppler then we get down to Doppler now most of the time good mom might be outside in the parking lot the whole day we couldn't go in there you know back then studio you couldn't just walk in studios like you do it now like studios was prestigious that was like walking in college you could only go up in there if you had some time or you wouldn't make it past the lobby so that Doppler and then once we started recording the last of the album at boss town so that's when we started going up in the what was boss town which is now stank on you oh wow that's when we started really learning what goody mob could do because that's when rick called they did call it a while with kujo and timo then the night that's when they called us me and shouted to the studio and uh rick was like man he go to beef or get up get out get some you up silo and low winning and he dropped two verses and and rick was like kp was in there too and rick he did two verses and then rick was like okay what the other verse you did i don't recall ever do that one and that was he was like she broke so we went to the front in the boy and he like get it man man it was your man it was my song man my song i said hello man do your best because if you do your best you'll get another chance to do another song and you went in there and did get up get out get some damn man that i play that every morning in the gym i mean that song that really helped us at the time bro like it was it was uh it was difficult not knowing that people were gonna understand first of all our dialect was just so strange yeah you know what i mean yeah and you know if you think about just listening to goodie ma that's why rick them never condensed style verses like how they did on outcads made them real real song if you look at listening to goodie ma he might have let joe rap 23 bars you know what i mean like he it was no yo bro don't do that don't do that because we were peers so it was more about them letting us do what we do and they're really producing outcads that's the reason why outcads is just so precise from hooks to how was how long the song is because we wanted to make sure that they was clear but for goodie ma we wanted to show you the other side of the level like no this is the other part like this is the part that we live on and i think if you listen to soul food it laid out our culture to people when outcads gave you our culture in another way we brought it back down and gave you the other side of the Cadillac culture show now we gave you our life and how we live what we thought about as far as grandmother how we thought about as far as our mother's dim what we thought about them thinking about us being in the street getting in trouble that's why you gotta guess who like showing people that man we got in trouble a lot man like Atlanta was so different then bro like we gotta kick out of going down to p street p month park and finding Doug high school and fighting Doug in the park without the things we did right amazing against Doug we fight you know that's the things we did and then again i was a little different because i came from each point i got kicked out of each point nine grade you know so i went to Atlanta so that's when i met kujo that's when i met timo you know and i knew low but low he three years younger than us so low my brother age so low cousin floated that's how i met silo because one night they came over to my house to buy some weed yeah i mean yeah i'm working the bed though you know what i mean so they call they get in so we and my they were like yo man my cousin want to meet your chicken head and that the first time i met low chicken head and then right off y'all and just throw them in the group like no because this was like years before and you guys are the lumberjacks at this time right no kujo and timo are the lumberjack get in the east point chain game got you with with cool breeze and cap one cat one get the fuck out of here you and you and cool breeze was in a in a group yeah me it was east point chain game so me cool breeze cat one that's south side there to the producer okay all right then a dude named oz and that was and it was another dude named chieftain you heard him on um uh uh second now i'm still standing so for me personally that we came from a different situation the first time coup me and kujo always kind of been together we street partners you know me it's this high school so you know i when we was doing this at the same time get me going to hair school on washington road i'm in what down there by the churches so i'm down in the corner in the piglet wigglet thing doing doing hell i was doing that yeah i'll be telling people like in Atlanta it was a player to be to tell him again it was a player to do hell like i'm trying to fuck everybody in that motherfucker yeah yeah i got up in that jacket in here yeah man all i know how to do is this washington citizen finger waves though yeah that's the thing people don't understand that alana was such a big hair town yeah well like this was boner brothers this you seen players everybody would have kind of like you would see actual me in their own salons so in my mind i was thinking like she started to rap don't work they're gonna get me a house learn i'm a nickname myself shampoo yeah and we about to go to work i would think because during the eighties the early eighties all my aunties in the in the country down in rock morn georgia they all got in the doing curls and all that they all practicing all the kids we all got curls so i come back to the city and they're like man what the hell yeah so so beauticians and just to have salon business has always been in my family and i just feel like if i didn't rap man i probably have five six salons and just do women hell all the time man by appointment yeah yeah the a bro it's the lake because my my sister she own she own her own a salon in riverdale and i used to go go to her salon and work for her on the weekend and i was watching the crone women hell that's what night and they'll they'll be like goddamn make a passes at me and i'll be freaking some of them and shit yeah my sister's like you want to meet women you need to go to high school so i had to join the high school there were right next door to flavors yes sir right next door to flavors and i walked up in that bit i was like what the and i was the only real nigga in there oh yeah it's all yeah yeah it was one other dude he was pretending but it's all right dude his job and it's like glad i was a track star yeah yeah yeah big jack that's the greatest thing about just Atlanta the culture and that and i tell people all the time man like you know i know people that's just as evil to come out of houses there's people that come out the project that's the that's the illusion of Atlanta you know and then you know the illusion is too that just because you come from a good family you won't do nothing you won't do nothing you won't put something down and that's an illusion too yeah most of most of the gangsters i knew man came from real good families man back then but shit yeah you know the illusion and and and the and guess the lure the streets back then was just so strong because i tell people you you started just seeing so many kids have money that you know didn't come from where you came from and you just like how they got money you know and and and i tell people i like bro do you understand i used to live in the world without a crackhead i didn't know you know it wasn't no crackheads and then all of a sudden it was crackheads by the time i got the dicks of hill a little crackhead you know i mean so i'm just looking at the things that uh that's been able to keep us as a city together has just always been that we come from the city of king man and we got to represent it that way and that's the reason why goodie mob always was speaking on how we how we was raised because that really made us different than everybody else in the industry just simply because we had respect for the leaders that came before us and you know it's different in other cities you know when you go to LA man they hold gang bangers up like king you know i mean like tucca wiggins he's like marlon's the king of them you know i mean like you go to new york is it's the it's the king pens from Harlem you know niggie bonds and all that and that was just like bro that's the difference between us that's why we got in the room with different people and never thought of like because it was like hey man what you think and how you think and your heroes and not heroes they're just different cuz yeah you know i mean and it's not that i don't respect the way you do it it's just that i just been taught it's another way yeah yeah and i think we definitely didn't do that yeah bro we definitely did not do that you know i can't think of no you know in Atlanta no no can't i know be a male no no no you see i'm saying so just the way we were raised and the thing that we was taught to respect just be so different than other cities man and i just be like damn bro like you really grew up like this thinking and and and having to live life in this type of environment and then for all these goddamn grown people to be sitting around here backing this shit it makes you really look at how fucked up some people had the you know the situation some people will put in because some people do come up out them situations and get away from it but then when you go around it and you be like well look how many people died look how many people died in the gang situations drugs situations all that but at the same time too we we haven't once just said it's just the way of life that we want and for people to still be doing it knowing the tragedy of it did like people don't understand the 80s and the 90s we didn't know what this shit looked like on the other side of it it was just the lure of every room getting bigger and bigger and us getting invited to the party but then on the other side of it you get to see the tragedy of it you know it's all good when everybody bawling but it's all bad when she'd go little you know so you know as much as I could say hey man I remember being up here at the town I remember when they were just standing around at the bad boy and organized noise weekend and just look at watch it how they doing it how they move a high-level nigga move shit they watched us we were the first niggas hit the club with 100 people they watched us do that they didn't do that we did dungeon family you know I mean so a lot of things the bmf took a part took a day that they gravitated to it was watching the dungeon family how we mess with our people and me took that and he did the same and that's why they became so big that shit pissed me off though where they did them strip club gave all them hoes all that money man and it had them riding and Lamborghinis and all that shit I come up in there with my hot 32 dollars they fucked if strip click if you was a regular broke nigga you was not getting no stripper coochie yeah when bmf was in there yeah they knocked y'all all the way down y'all down there on fooling the dust red wax you ain't here we was at babes y'all that babe dirty rat there dirty rats babes all that they down there they're on the phone yeah and see that but see it was just you didn't even want to go in the club where they was it no you didn't want to do it it was like and it's I'm not gonna do I'm not I know I can't do this I can't do this I can't do this when did we do I gotta pay my rent you know I mean me first going into the clubs man first person took me in the club broke in magic city I probably was 15 16 years old I'm in there with my og I talk about them on uh on dirty sound scatter mat okay Milwaukee playing show no they used to be sitting up in magic city with diamond bow ties on diamond bow ties yeah they used to wear diamond bow ties over their t-shirts that's how you knew the Milwaukee crew see it was it was it was so player and so individual you saw all the flash and everybody flash was different back then it was nobody wanting to have the same jury on nothing and and that was the real culture of just that time watching magic city and first time I seen deon sandals in the club like like first time you talking that shit rising like deon sandals rising yeah they they they was a sight that what they call it a true legit team in the town yeah they was they they was a sight to see to see what to deon sandals in magic city he might have on an all red silk outfit with the silk sock the gators red and might have a red punch over that motherfucker and might have a neck full of gold with standing there with the black phone I tell me he looked like but he was out the movies and he played ball but he looked like a straight d-boy so just to be in that Atlanta culture then and that was also when it was just ballers in the club and a lot of d-boys being dressed like business people like they had suits on a lot of times and that's when the baseball coaches that they just they were still in that's right the strip clubs you know wave me a holly bear holly bear that's who you think brought on the top huh okay that way that way okay she want to come see it yeah yeah yeah I forgot all about this yeah and uh no nothing went fucking with Atlanta and then we didn't even get the freaking it yet yeah we didn't even have we didn't even have to get the freaking it because you still had the AU off the chain the AU was off the chain the AU was like a party it was like you had more brown you had all that and at that time we as kids even if we were trying to mess with the streets we still went to school for mom and dad that they asked us to we tried you know some of us tried we're gonna give them that first year then we might slide to the left but they can't say we they can't say we ain't tried yeah so a lot of my homeboy they tried you know very but the streets were just too strong yes you know it was too close to uh too close to their west side man that west side yeah so I mean for me and for us and for me to be in this situation especially right now to and live through so many eras in Atlanta and to be right here with James and be like damn man had we opened up another portal and and another space in music that hadn't that this new and fresh to this generation whereas maybe more music like this we could turn around the songs and the substance of the songs and I think that's what's gonna kind of like curve a lot of the killing see people don't understand it when outcast and good tomorrow came the killing came down in the street that's right came down in the street so I know that it's the content I live through it I'm gonna drink to that yeah I want to drink yeah we do have water yeah we definitely got water yeah you want water too uh yeah yeah that's what I'm talking about man I'm gonna lick a thing looks so pretty yeah I don't want to do what they're doing it's all about being different you gotta be different you know what I'm talking about yeah yeah so you know Gil talk about the the uh this cannabis benefit I remember you were first telling me about this when I was just I was I had just visited home and I was about to move back here and this was in 2021 yeah um 2018 man my father told me he said man I'm only gonna be eight more months so I came back from LA that's what your dad told you bro and um how that hit man pop was just a strong kind of dude and his thing was ain't nothing that's going on with me got nothing to do with you and why would I put the stress of what's going on with me on you so he was the kind of person where I live what you teach you what you need to lead what you need to know before I lived and that's what he did so he just equipped me with everything I needed once he left in the eight months and during that eight months I started trying to bring him THC products from uh LA because I was living in LA at the time and um you know and I was about to come out with my own cannabis brand give goodies and I've been working on it but when he told me that I said well shit let me shut down shop go home when I got home he couldn't really mess with the THC stuff because it was kind of like it was too strong for him the only thing that really helped him was uh when I brought him back some pace once he went into the hospital um he couldn't eat a lot of the people on his floor had died and he was the last one left and I flew back he was in the house yeah and um um I gave him some cannabis man and um the the OR the it's like this oil this is like for cannabis they can bag it all the way out I gave him some he woke up in the morning he wanted to eat he went back home he stayed alive for another two weeks and then he left me but during that time I just started learning the health benefits of CBD and then I started understanding why it's not pushed to the black community because it's healthy and everything about it is what they use to make other kind of drugs and at the end of the day when you're doing CBD it's no toxins in it it's clean as you can get I have like 45 kind of like products I got vapes 45 yeah topicals uh top creams topicals are like creams pain creams okay instead of taking opioids got creams that got a thousand milligrams that would take away the pain just as much as a peel wheel with just topicals which means a lotion so with topicals and we also have we just started a non-acoholic brand called Zaka well we went into the liquor store and we mocktailed every type of alcohol that you can buy we took the alcohol out and we infused it with cannabis now what do you get out of this the alcohol the older you get it's destroying you from the inside out you don't have to do that right don't worry about it but with with us taking the alcohol out now your body is being infused with cannabis okay which now it becomes as a a toxic a way of cleaning out your body of all toxins okay so now with that being said we got tequila vodka bourbon pina colada uh what uh sit margarita everything that you can buy and now for this it's a new culture called smoking drinking so now instead of smoking your weed you can drink your weed and it's going to taste just like your favorite alcohol so every wednesday on edgewood y'all can come down there we got an actual mixologist and any kind of drink you can get in a normal club or the normal bar you can get it made with this and then you'll see the actual different effects from it and we've already tested it in vegas we took the actual alcohol out and put this in and after two drinks they didn't know they wouldn't drink alcohol because we do it with a sativa so when after two drinks you up you up like it feels like being on mdm a zaga what's mdm a everybody nobody mdm a for me what what's mdm a oh the x makes the sex spectacular oh got you whole love got you okay and i'm gonna do number spice up the night then you're gonna go to sleep okay i'm gonna have no psychedelic shit no uh you're just gonna have a tremendous body height is gonna make you want to talk to something whole love i want to do that i want to do that i want to do that hey man you're gonna love it man and it's clean you ain't gonna do number go to sleep you're gonna wake up feel good like you smoke 20 blunt and you you ready to go you ready to get something to eat on thing you don't do because i'm not a smoker i would like to do that oh you're gonna love it you're gonna love this because you're gonna find another alternative to alcohol because what you can do you're on study take what you like in real alcohol and i'm gonna give you the version in the mocktail and you're gonna see which one will make you feel totally different but you're gonna get the same taste so whatever i like in alcohol yes so if i what's that brown right there was there right here uh-huh they do say i got that too that ain't number kind yet it ain't number kind yet with a fancy name what about it for the champagne drinkers for celebrations well champagne is kind of different situation with champagne simply because you got that fears in there yeah so a lot of times it's hard for us to mix it okay as as as a base okay and then put that bubbly in there then put the weed it's too early we'll get there later yeah yeah yeah we're gonna get there later but just being able to do this like uh we are spending the five or six days this one and we are already in about nine nine states so me personally it just gave me another place to take and put my energy whereas again with music i only did it to help people and with this company here i'm doing it to help people this is so innovative man i i've never heard this before i ain't never heard nobody know about this oh yeah we got we got we got a top of the world drink a top of the world yeah we have an actual top of the world i'm gonna be on top just coming out okay it's gonna have uh that will be uh i think i'm doing that like in a pineapple mallaboo so it's like kind of a pineapple mallaboo and then james worthy has his own drink with his own face on there called the james worthy and that's a tequila sunrise yes that's what's up man hey you know james whenever i told everybody you were coming here they thought you played basketball i'm sure i'm sure you related to buddy no you have you been getting that rough most of your life uh here in there here i could dig it it's all good look i'd rather be compared to greatness dl you did the 100 man hey i got my guy you know wizard craig over here uh aka a dj i am somebody right you know oh yo he had a couple of questions for y'all okay say some fact yeah man so i know uh james i know you're working with legends you know i'm saying working with robin s you know i'm saying who dnp him dawn yeah so like working with this my project did you kind of have that same idea like i'm working with legend you know i'm saying um yeah but you know pass that like i just love people that work like me and got the same work ethic and and the same um outlook on music is me like i never got into the business for money like i did it because i loved it and this is just another project kind of displaying that like we had no ego involved none like that like we both got a respect for each other so i think you know which i'll hear is the derivative of that do you have something else man with and then get man you know working with dad's you know i'm saying and working with ali you know like how would you feel you feel like that's the future of like hip hop you know saying coming up with like these like pairings you know i'm saying you got jd with currency you know i'm saying you got y'all so like you feel like that's like the future with hip hop hip hop and rb i think if you look at it what right now i think that um that's the new way to be able to keep both audience pleased i think hip hop and r&b is really why hip hop is so big right now because it had hip hop i mean r&b at one time and it's flipped where it's like rapping r&b but with our project we've gone back to the natural order of r&b and hip hop and i think that's the reason why james is so out front james is so he's bringing what r&b should sound like and how it can sound in this new age so me being where i am i had to learn how to elevate and at the same time right from a new space and i think we uh from having those two situations come together yes this is a place where artists can now instead of it being a distance between age now we both can teach each other and just sit down and do music together so yes i think it's the future because all we're doing is teaching each other what's new he's teaching me what's new in his in his generation and i'm showing him what he may have not learned in my life so it's going to make the music better because it's going to make both of us want to do our best when we sit down and do music so uh james yeah when you heard puffy say um r&b is dead what was going through your mind he crazy that's exactly how i felt because you know no disrespect to puff but you know he thinks like a lot of other people like they don't really do they do diligence to understand what's out there and what's really relevant like i think they just focus on what's mostly put in front of you at a at a mass rate and they go off for that to say well that's what it is and if it ain't that then the art form is dead and like with me and a lot of other my peers like it's always been there it's just that we sometimes get the short end of the stick because we don't we don't most r&b acts don't get major radio play like we limited to urban ac and then that's it like we ain't getting on pop we ain't we ain't getting rotation over overseas and in europe and stuff like that like so it's always going to be diminished so i think you know people like puff they always want to say that because again he ain't controlling it either do you like what r&b is right now i do i do like i like what music is that actually right now because this is more competitive and creative than it's ever been because there's no boundaries like the ceiling is so high like you can infuse anything in music now and be creative you know what i mean that's that's where i live at right now is just being creative as possible like we're getting worthy like there's so many moving parts in the production of them songs like it's hard to even you know classify what some of it is it's just feel good music you know what i mean so i think nowadays like people need to stop kind of putting stuff in the category like let's let's just enjoy the art okay well give me your top five classic r&b um singers and give me your top five uh new age r&b singers that who you listen to the guys of today uh let me see um um are you familiar with black yeah of course i thought i thought his name was uh six black everybody's all of that i didn't know that he was that was a b it was i thought it was my man don't disrespect that i thought it was six it wasn't that i was trying to be clever like it was six black so how you felt with with the house six nines for his name let me tell you something let me tell you something about six nine uh i had the uh the i'm gonna say pleasure i'm gonna say pleasure but before all that other stuff had happened with the snitching thing and one night he's a nice guy but i ain't gonna even front once again i was still an old nigga when he came out i remember uh his manager was like ran me down the guy that he had put in jail the shot he did and he put him on FaceTime and i was supposed to know him and you were like nah i don't know him i wasn't it wasn't registering you were already i wasn't ready to accept this as our king okay and so you know we was on FaceTime and everything was like yeah oh gee i'm like oh gee nigga i'm 34 or 35 one of them at the time you know yeah he was a son he was a really nice guy he was very respectable and real cool and stuff but i i didn't understand the spelling of it either because i didn't know what he was and what that that moment in time was when the music started to shift again yeah because like even even when um the soldier boy came out i was six i was superman in the soldier boy video i remember yeah i i i didn't i didn't know what the fuck that shit was and uh that's the first time i saw you yeah yeah man real talk people need to give you your credit on your your video your video appearance hey hey jack had a run when i was 12 i was in the play with rerun from what's happening you know hey that was in the plies video come on man that was the same yeah wow yeah yeah doing comedy all that shit you know but you everybody gotta come from somewhere right give them right yeah you know i'm pretty sure it's some things that but even before uh goody my people could go back and look at you with like get the fuck out hold on get was on good times hold on get get was a guest get guest on the guest episode of family matters one of my friends yeah you'll see niggas in there that you like oh shit he been here yeah he been working he been working and then you you keep on going until you know god say it's time for you to take off yeah you know what i'm saying but uh yeah uh i i i didn't get it when the six nine thing was turning when you seen the spelling of his name like we know i i i still didn't get i thought i thought it was uh was i thought it was it was word word word i'm looking for alternative yet there you go alternative lifestyle but really really really what it is gang culture yeah gang this one i really yeah yeah whatever you start putting numbers and things into your it's gang culture hey and you know what i had i declined his invitation to do my show because of the simple fact when they told me it was about some gang shit yeah i ain't one fuck with yeah you know because i don't really i don't listen you know to each his own and no no shade to nobody that's in a gang for whatever reason you've gotten into that this is not where we're down here in georgia we weren't really doing it like that yeah you know i'm saying like when i was in high school we were laughing at folks when they were telling us they were in gangs yeah like what you because it was a west coast thing at the time yeah you know and they had to grow into what it is now yeah yeah but yeah so you just to go back to the origin of this yeah six like do me out i mean black no man i love black he got dope music you know he is dope i i i i got a couple of songs too yeah he hard uh so yeah i like black um i mean breezy breezy brown yeah crispy um he got in a gang they got weird you know all that rapping shit i ain't really fucking with them i mean i see they they the top for me right like i like black and chris right now okay do you want to add me who i like yeah please shit man they got them keys with first l do it again they got them i'll be sure first l come on man you gotta get off on your own i don't know what you think we got to go with we got to give jody's his song come on hey yo me and me and my dog all about about kc every day you got to give jody you gotta get them boy that's south Carolina they do it yeah um let me see oh man hey guy man guy come on now i like guy first time lover oh my god that was crazy i gotta put uncle now mr bobby brown yeah and then there it is that's him you can't beat you can't beat the bobby you can't beat the bobby nothing beats the bobby you can't beat the bobby bobby birf chris brown he birf usher yeah he buffed the birf the great he was the turning point for r&b to get a little gangsta and smooth and cool to be the bad boy yeah he was the guy yeah he was that guy them five albums right there i watched my little rabbit out there in the front yard a whole bunch of time man you know it i'd be ten four and a little but that's how we want it man a sunny sunday boy some of that key sweat a boy we about to ride p3 all day show show that's how we want it man we thought we were at the top of life yeah so you know i just look at them ties when we didn't everything was so simple it wasn't no it was very simple man you know all you had to do a word about your radio and your car getting stolen weren't you take the face off your shit yeah that way when we started learning how we could we could take the stand wheel off in the face off but we were straight man they'd be in the mall with the club with the club with it got that wood grain right here like yeah really don't understand like it would that it was that simple where we thought we had everything with just those little accessories yeah you know and i don't know bro like you know at the time and going by now look at everybody i'm like man we look like a goddamn country club man we look like boutique like everybody right here talking about you know what $100,000 club they go to or where they go spend $5,000 to eat brunch it's like oh you take it you take a key to drink your car oh yeah you can't have no key no more you can't have no key no more you gotta push start you gotta push your shit man if you had a push start you were straight dope come on man now and they got the keys now you ain't even gotta press the push start just keep on the key you had to walk by your car yeah and just cut on with some shit so i'm i'm just glad that right now man to jane give him words yes sir we already playing overseas in london i haven't been on bbc and jane got me on them daddy so for me right now i'm happy because i feel like uh the record is doing very good overseas being very accepted over here and i just can't wait till we get out here and get on the road and really start performing the songs for the people that's what i wanted so that mean it's a part two coming oh yeah oh yeah that's a crazy part it's they don't even out a month and a half and everybody asks for the part two what that is so i mean next time y'all come on the show y'all gotta you know i'm saying give us a performance song for them we're gonna help we're gonna have our video soul shit set up then you know what you remember video so yes i do yes sir and by the way i heard that she was working on it yes i do i'm gonna hey play my song we got about to get out of here so they can get my song hey this man got to start with music so child man i got a song with genuine niggas you got a regular take right yeah i got i got a song with rl okay and we're gonna play the song with rl and everything man i appreciate this damn man go back like he don't he played this shit years ago yeah yeah man you know just trying to get our welfare one day at a time stop man with this show now you just put your song things up after the show the credits man them folk by right off tv i don't know why you wouldn't go to head then came up with that shit right there you like yo you need to make your songs the intro to this shit i want it's a rare condition this day and days you're even in the good book hey man hey i appreciate y'all coming through the project man thank you man this is the first but it ain't gonna be the last time man y'all give it up for king james worthy and give good is