 Next question is from more life. Is there a certain number of pull-ups or chin-ups you consider to be a good marker of strength? I think if a guy can do 10 to 15, I was going to say 15, but 10 to 15, you're strong. And for a woman around five pull-ups, you're doing pretty well. Now, here's a problem with giving these general answers is that there's a lot of factors that can come into play here. You, if you're a bigger person, it's going to be much harder. If I'm talking about a 240-pound athlete, male, 15 pull-ups, wow, that's a lot of pull-ups to be that heavy. You know, if you're a 150-pound guy, 15 pull-ups might not be that much at all. But I think generally speaking, if you're a guy, 10 to 15 is a good number to aim for and for a woman about five. Yeah, this is such a hard one to answer because I think of somebody like, what's his name with Kabuki strength? I forget his name all the time. What's his name? Chris Duffin. Chris Duffin, thank you. Watching that dude do pull-ups is so impressive to me because he's a beat, what is he, like 270 pounds or something? He does everything. Or Robert Oberst. Remember when he did that? Yeah, or Robert Oberst. And then you have someone like David Goggins who can do like 1,000. I'm less impressed. You know what I'm saying? He's like a paperweight. The difference between those two people doing pull-ups is completely different. So it's hard to gauge what's a good number for the general population. I mean, yeah, the five and 10 thing kind of, but I mean, that completely changes based off that person's body weight. Of course. And if you can't do, if you're a woman and you can't do not one pull-up and then you get to the point where you can do two, that's phenomenal. It's progress. Progress is what's most important. What's the most amount of pull-ups you guys have ever done, by the way? 25. 25 for you? Yeah, me too. 25 is the most I ever did. You know what was- And that was focused too, like I was- You were trying to do that one. Yeah, so I did this thing where I would do 50 pull-ups to start every back workout. That was the thing. Because I wanted to get to a place where I could rep 50. So you do however many sets it took? Yes. That's the old Arnold workout. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know that. I don't remember where I got it, but that was like the thing. It was where every back workout start with pull-ups, you get 50 and I was trying to get 50 as fast as I could get 50. So I'd jump up, first set I'd get maybe 12, 15 and then drop down, then do it again to 10, then eight and then keep doing it like that till I got to the 50. And over time I got to a place where I could rep out about 25 of them. And that was a good body weight, but that's something I noticed too is like, where my body weight makes a huge difference. Oh yeah. Yeah, this brings up, it's an interesting thing because of like standardization. I've seen too within, I think it was like a sheriff's department. They were giving them grief about like lessening, like not even having this like standardized tests that they had to pass in order to become a sheriff. And they wanted to keep it because it's like, you want somebody that's like able-bodied and capable and strong and can perform the job at the highest ability, but it was severely limiting the amount of applicants that were applying. And so the sheriff in charge was like complaining about that they wanted to eliminate the test completely just because they have such low numbers of people wanting to take on the job. See for that, I have a different opinion on that. Like for something like that, that makes sense to have this standard that you should have to be able to do. You either do the job or you can't. Exactly, because that general population, and we're talking about like a client who just wants to be strong and is trying to say, oh, I heard a mine pump, if I can do 10 pull-ups I'm not very sure. No, it's terrible. And I'm saying that doesn't matter. And if it doesn't apply to your job every day, then who gives a shit? You could potentially deadlift. I know plenty of people that can deadlift 500 pounds but can't even do 10 pull-ups. Is that person weak? No, they're not weak. They just don't do pull-ups. You know what I'm saying? They don't strengthen that way. They haven't tried to lean their body out. So like if your job requires it though, I think it makes sense. If you're a firefighter cop, you have to climb a wall, you have to do something like that. Yeah, you should probably be able to pull your body away. You should be able to do it. Speaking of standards, you guys remember, it was a while ago where I brought up the article I think it was a military. Remember what branch was gonna change their standard for throwing a grenade distance? Cause people were not able to throw a grenade at the standard distance or whatever. I thought that was something to do with the women's, like the women couldn't throw it as far as the men could throw it. So they were trying to lower the standards for everybody. But it was something like they had to lower it because so many people couldn't, all of a sudden it was this old standard, people just couldn't do it anymore. Which is kind of- It was like across the board. That's another example of like that should stay there. You should have to be able to throw a grenade far enough to not blow your friends up. But if you can't do that, you shouldn't be here with us. I don't care. I don't care what- It's pretty logical. Yeah, I think it's very logical. I don't care what sex you are. You need to be able to throw this thing far enough so we don't die. Just like toss it on the ground for any. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. Most impressive, Paul Check impressed the shit out of me with his pull-up. Remember when he came here? He's like 50-something-year-old guy and he's not like small, he's muscular dude. He's a one-arm pull-ups out there. Like are you guys kidding me? He's a beast. Oh.