 Yo, Buffalo, New York, get those tickets. Now, I'm gonna be at the Helium Sunday, March 10th. And yes, I will be doing them my 600-pound life life. This is the last year I'm going on tour doing that. So grab those tickets. March the 10th, Helium, Buffalo, New York. Grab the tickets they don't sell now. My last year doing this 600-pound life. So go ahead and get them tickets. So Crispy, Majel, play me some pepper, man. It's time to go to work, man. You playing? You playing, bro? H.A.O.W.I.N. Yeah. H.A.O.W.I.N. You know there's him saying that, don't you? It better not be. It better not be. You do know there's him. Trying to figure out how to work this. Been a hell of a day, DC. Nick, that little walk from the bathroom was so long. I know. I wish we could have just did this first. Yeah. And everything fall asleep. Nah, she got that. He hit it. Right there. He's from the city. He make the cans, man. No cap. He's from the city, right? Yeah. And he from Maryland. No cap? He can drive the DC. Yeah, you see, he's got a man that know I'm national. He from Maryland. He's from Maryland. He's from Maryland. He's from Maryland. He's from the city. He's from the city. He's from the city. He's from the city. He's from the city. He's from the city. Everybody say, cheer. She got it. Well, y'all are, but that shit come from behind your ears. Big lab, what? Two. North-East, that's a whole other side in DC. Yeah, it's four quadrants. DC separated into four quadrants. North-East, Northwest, South-East, Southwest. So, then the four sections of the city. Where you from? I'm from Northwest. I'm from uptown. Northwest DC is uptown. They're from Northwest too. That's why you know the story. This is who y'all look up to. Oh, the whole city look up to you. This nicked him. You a man. I want to get back. Listen, man. I can't let you break down. A whole legend sitting on this shit with us, man. Not just for what he did in the city, but what he went through to get back to it. Where? You know what I'm saying? Are you ready? Yeah. All right. Well, without further ado, welcome back to the 85's self-show. Yeah. Now, DC, for the people who have been following the 85's self-show, they don't even need no introduction. Right. Because this is actually a follow-up that we called from. Like, this is... This is a part two. This part two. We already said that this was going to happen. Part one went crazy. Okay. And I wanted to pick up from the story from when we ended part one. We started when we stopped. To right now. Okay. So what I'm going to do, I'm going to hand it over to Chico. Because he can fill in the blanks. Tell these people what we got going on. This shit personal a little bit. Oh, yeah. Beyond personal. Oh, okay. It's a story. It's a story for me because I'm born and raised in the city of Washington, DC, man. And one of the things about coming from DC is that I think our history kind of gets diluted because we haven't had anybody be able to tell the story in a way where people can understand the true essence of where we come from. And a lot of that reason is because a lot of the people who could tell the true essence of where we come from didn't make it to be able to tell the story. Right. You know, lost their lives or they out here lost and just became a product of the environment or they've been incarcerated. You know what I mean? So the unique part about this particular story is that this brother right here, Tony Lewis Jr. has been an advocate in our city for years. I mean, since I was a younger, trying to stop the violence, trying to, you know, get the city to a point where we, you know, aren't known for a lot of the things that we are known for outside of the stuff that we want to be known for in the culture that we create. And throughout that entire time that he was helping the city, he was doing that while his father was incarcerated for over 34 years, right? 34 years. 34 years of incarceration. That has been fighting to get his father out of jail on a charge that he was charged with years ago. You know what I mean? Bullshit. As we all know how the system has set up, you know, they railroaded a lot of people and he was one of the ones that, you know, caught that time. And a lot of people didn't believe it was possible, man, that this would be able to happen. But he did. He been believing since for years. He believed that one day I'm going to get my pops out of jail and I'm going to fight whatever fight I got to fight to make sure that my pops see the light of day. And a lot of people didn't believe it. But when he came in the last time, we said, we said, man, pops coming home. And when he come home, you bring him to the 85 South Show. So right now I want to introduce you. I already know Tony Lewis Jr., but with great pleasure, I introduce to you Tony Lewis Sr. Welcome home, sir. Welcome home, sir. Welcome home, sir. Welcome home, sir. Welcome home, sir. I don't watch any niggas, though. I've been watching niggas on TV and I'm honored to be here, man. Especially my homie right here, man. See some of that. I was home from my show at the MGM in National Harbor. So I told Tony, like, man, you know, we had talked previously. I said, man, if pops want to come to the show, let me know. We got a couple of things we got to do, but I'm going to let you know if we can make it. I'm in the mall, Pentagon City. I'm at the Nordstroms. I'm standing in line. I hear something. I look back. Like, wait a minute, I look back. It's this nigger. I said nigger. When you turned around, I said, this nigger. Slip, it was so crazy, man. And it was so good to see you in that moment, man. But my first question to you, because we didn't already talk to her. So my first question to you is, man, how you feel, man? How I feel amazing, man? You know, freedom is like, you know, I can't describe it. You know what I'm saying? 34 years of incarceration. And to be here, you know what I'm saying? And my son with me and we've been rolling, man. And, you know, my grandkids being with them family and, you know, being here with y'all. And this, this, this, I've been watching y'all on TV on wild and not all you crazy. We laugh every week, man. We watch y'all. We got the tune in the yard. You know what I'm saying? And be talking with y'all, man. Seeing what y'all doing, how y'all didn't grow. This, y'all, this brand and this show, man, it's amazing, man. And I know a lot of black people feel the same way. And I see all you black people, that's it, man. So for those that might not be familiar, that might not have watched us in our interview, give them a little bit of backstory on who Tony Lawson is. Okay, I'ma give you what I was first. Yeah, what I was first. You know what I'm saying? Respect. I grew up in Washington, D.C., Hannibal Place, Northwest. Started selling drugs at like 14 years old. You know, poverty, you know, you grew up there, you know how things was, you know what I'm saying? That's all we knew on our block and surrounding areas, you know, of crime. You know, that's the only way we could make it, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't nothing but no jobs and school and all that kind of shit. That was the job on the block. You know, we looked up to the older dudes, and that's all they did. They did whatever they did. So that was the life in the 80s, you know, the late 70s into the 80s. And, you know, I was a single parent household, number my mother, with five, six siblings. It was rough, man, you know. Somebody had to get it. Somebody had to make it happen, you know what I'm saying? So everything was right there to make it happen. And, you know, that's how, you know, when I did it, it made it happen, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, when I'm getting caught up in the late 80s, you know, Ray Fredman's, you know, in that case, Ray did. And, you know, got life without parole for my charge and, you know, the dealings. And it really wasn't about Hanover Street where I really did my thing at. It was, you know, John fucking with him and he was already on fire, which I didn't really know. But anyway, that was that story Ray did. But two different things, yeah. And that's pretty much the history of, you know, my situation. Now, a lot of people are familiar with the case that you were talking about, because it's a heavily publicized case. You know, a lot of people hear about DC and that era of the murder capital and all that stuff in the drill. But I remember being a very young man and they airing a trial on television. And it was just like the way that they would bring you out of court and we had Kurt Bohn come up here and talk to us. You know what I mean? And, like, being as though you were there, like describe that environment at that time, because y'all was the first case to really get the type of look and time that y'all got. Yeah, all that shit was new to everybody, man. You know, we ain't know what they had baked for us. You know what I'm saying? They just had passed a couple of, you know, the crack and jump, the 100 to 1 ratio compared to, you know, 1 to 1. So that Ray did gonna shoot your fucking sentence to the moon alone. Then the mandatory minimums, you know, had that came into play. You know, we young motherfuckers out there, we out there getting money, motherfuckers ain't reading no papers or books and doing all that kind of shit. You know, I just watched the news and stuff like that. But even the lawyers didn't know exactly what they had baked for the black, young black man all around, not just in D.C., but all around the country. And we just happened to be, you know, by us being the nation capital, say we gonna start with these niggas right here. We ain't know. And yeah, man, so when they came with it, man, this shit was crazy. It was nothing. Just throw your ass away, nigga. And several other ones on our case were like 30 people. So, you know, bulletproof court rooms, anonymous jewelry, all this shit they never used nowhere. Not even with the mob, they ain't used that shit, which it was designed for. But they used it on us. And yeah, so, yeah, they fucked us around good. You know what I'm saying? And so most of the young people out here now, these same laws and all that shit still in place. And they want to, you know, they want to throw your ass away, too, if you fall into this shit, talking about the young black men all around the country. So, you know, you can't get taken, because that's what they did to me. And if it don't be for my son, I'll be fucked and still in that prison cell, raping them. But everybody ain't got him. You know what I'm saying? If you don't mind, man, what was the technicality in your case where they were able to give you so much time for a non-violent offense? They had a hundred to one ratio of shit on the crack. Yeah, that's what really did it. I was charged with both drugs, the powder, and the crack. But for the powder, it's one-to-one ratio when it comes to sentencing. But for the crack, I mean, for the powder, it's one-to-one ratio when it comes to sentencing. But for the crack, for every one gram, it's 100 grams. So you just add that up if you get charged with kilos of crack. And shit is, you know, it's off the chart. You ain't got no win. So they're weighing it and they're weighing it equalizing like it's 100 grams, even if it's one gram? Yeah, that's one gram. 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Yeah, so, yeah, that's what's the Technicalo-Injustice or however you want to call it. And then all these many years forward, now all of a sudden they're like, hey, that shit was wrong. We know it was wrong. So we're going to take it down to 18 to 1 instead of 1 to 1, but it's a lot better. 18 to 1 is from 100 to 1. So, yeah. And that's what really, you know, fuck the line. I mean, we'll have to speak in what you're saying. You were close to coming home a few different times, right? Yeah, we thought. Yeah, we thought. So that's what I'm saying. What was the difference in this real one or as opposed to the false starts? I think really it was his fight and his effort. Because it was like, you know, they never had a set even when I thought I had something. They put me in front of a vicious judge that wasn't going for nothing, one of the toughest judges in D.C. So every time we would have something, he would find a Technicalo, you was a partner of Ray Fam in the third, you was y'all introduced crack cocaine to Washington, D.C. When you put that label on the motherfucker, they never want you out, you know what I'm saying? We introduced crack cocaine to a whole fucking city. What proof do you got? This is what the prosecutor's saying. What proof do you got of that? How the fuck you know who the first one started smoking crack and D.C. or who first brought it to D.C.? There's no way to determine that, but that's the label they put on us. So that really was, that shit stuck. And I have to mention some of the violence that wasn't personally attributed to me, but the conspiracy as a whole, when they say you're the leader and then you responsible for whatever went on and everybody who might have got any violence upon them. So that was why, every time we thought we had something, the vicious motherfucker was like nah, your black ass ain't gonna fuck with that, deny, deny, deny. He got the right one in Miss Brittany K Barnett out of Texas, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's who did it. How did you find it? I actually pushed a T connected Brittany and I. That's my man. He been trying to go to bed with, regardless of my dad, with me when Obama was in the White House, and actually even sent me in his place when he got invited, he couldn't make it. He sent me in his place. I was at the White House, Obama didn't show up for this meeting, but his handlers did, right? So I was able to raise my dad's case dead, right? But then Obama left office. And so one of the things I think is critical, though, is doing Obama administration, right? First of all, they had a big clemency initiative, which we were trying to get him in. So it's one of those times I was talking about, I thought we was close, right? I'm like, damn, I'm here pushing, pushing, while they pushing, you know what I'm saying? All different people in the community, of course, and then boom, Obama left, but during Obama administration, they had passed something called the Fair Sinsen Act, which created the 18 to 1 disparity. My father just took it from 100 to 1 to 18 to 1, but it wasn't retroactive, meaning anybody already in jail couldn't benefit from it. Fast forward to 2016, 2017, Hawking Jeffries introduced what we know now as the First Step Act in the House. It passed through Congress. Donald Trump sounds it into law. What that did, amongst other things, but the critical thing was it made the Fair Sinsen Act retroactive, right? But the caveat was you want to get one shot at the joint. So if we foul this shit and it gets denied, we can't file it again. So initially we went after something else that me and Pusha collaborated on with other folks. It was a reform called the two-point reduction. We applied for that to Dennis's point about the judge. We got denied. They said they sold too much drugs. It wasn't for people like you. Too much drugs, nigga. You got niggas with big shout-out to Big Meach, though that's my motherfucking man, but his charge was way, the drug amount. So think about that, right? Somebody there with the world kind of know Big Meach actually was granted this same reform that he got denied because saying that Meach qualified, but he didn't. And through my same lawyer. So it's not that we're pulling out the end, that same attorney, right? All right, so we get denied from that. And I don't want to say these denials. I really want to let people know how catastrophic that shit is when you hear that, when you put all the work and when you know you're delivering this, not only Britney was able to craft this motion, this beautiful motion, because all the things that was brought to the table, faith-based leaders, city council members, the people in the community. I'm a preeminent, preeminent reentry person in my city and maybe probably you could put me up against anybody in the country when it comes to this. I'm his son. It's nothing they could worry about, public safety-wise, stabilization-wise, none of that, right? All that's covered. And you get, and the judge says, noted that I could knock us down, we get back up, all right? We're going to go in under the First Step Act. And Britney was able to, just for her legal prowess, man, just to be able to find a case that our judge and rule-doing was very similar, right? But I'm saying in my mind, like he's saying, he ain't nothing. Every time we think somebody's case is similar and it's somebody that did say, they like, nah, can't be the same, though. They had different levels, you know, all that. Long story short, on March 16, we get a call, Britney gets a call, she calls me saying that the government does not oppose, right? Somebody's like, what you mean? 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Man, it's a beautiful story. It's a beautiful story, but let me answer this the follow-up, though. What was the moment that hit you that said, I got to do it? I got to be the person that got to do it. I got no brothers and sisters. All right? You know, man, I was approaching nine years old, right? April 15th, 1989. I turned nine the next month, right? My father got locked up slim. My whole world changed. And not just my world, my family. Everything changed. Everything, right? So I ain't never, you know, as I became a man. I feel like I became a man that day for real. Because life just became my childhood. My father, that was very supportive. We had everything in the world went, you know what I'm saying? They just took homes. Like, he was gone. And everything about our lifestyle was different. Then they shipped them all the way to California. You know what I'm saying? It was in California for the first 13 years. And I come up. We come up on the same block. I'm in the 12th. The 80s was better. The 90s was more wicked. It was wicked. I'm in the bulls-eye that shit around and around our way, you know what I'm saying? And as I, you know, navigated through the toughest terrain it is for real. And I bumped into the work that saved my life. You know, starting to help my community. And through my service to others. And me helping. I mean, so many people. I've been doing this shit 23 years, you know what I'm saying? Father's helping my community. Dad. It was nobody else to turn to. It was nobody wanting to touch. Nobody else believed that he was coming home anyway. Not even homies. Like, nobody. They not that in tone. That's how people felt. But through my service to other people, you know, through my contributions to the world, I feel it was nobody else that was even better suited to do it but me, you know? And, but this never was or has ever been just about us. The ultimate goal obviously was to, you know, help my dad, but I helped thousands of people for real. And, you know, one of the things I think moving forward, you know, the 101 ratio, the mandatory minimums. Our president, you know, Joe Biden as a senator was the architect of those laws. And he ran on writing those wrongs, right? And as we approaching, you know, 2024 with the next election coming, he ain't done nothing. I did nothing. As it relates to this issue, nothing. I mean, he done computer chips and climate change, what he could do on gun reform and infrastructure build and try whatever he could do around student debt. All the other promises, you know what I'm saying, for real, for real, he done that. But what about us? What about the things that you told the black people? You know, the VP as well. You know, Kamala come, she was, she was the attorney general of California. You know what I'm saying? It was responsible for a lot of, a lot of folks up out there. And she, even before she became his VP candidate, when she was the presidential candidate, she also talked about writing the wrongs around criminal justice reform. And for me, from a neighborhood like the one I come from, mass incarceration has been the most catastrophic thing in our community, right? Because it has economic impacts, social impacts, emotional impacts, mental health impacts, not only on the people that go to prison, but the people that they belong to. The families, yeah. And so when you talk about all these young dudes out here spending, all these young, ask them who they belong to. Ask them is they father locked up, is they uncle locked up, they big brother, they mother, they uncle. You gotta, and so you start to see the connectivity between those that are impacted by mass incarceration and a lot of these other traumas. For this president to not exercise his power, you don't need Congress. We talking about he can power the pen, can mute these sentences, Joe Biden. And when Wayne, and I saw Wayne was at, they had the 50 year anniversary joint, and I said, let me preference this. It's saying no, no, no, shout out Wayne and I'm just making a point. He was just in DC Saturday at the 50th anniversary of joining the Common Heirs House. You know, Trump gave Wayne a pardon and he commuted a Kodak sentence. And I was just thinking to myself, I just want out of that, I want to be advocating, I want them to be able to all use that platform to talk about the men. If you're a street dude, this type of stuff is just not political really. That street business, like this, it's nothing for people from the street to be victimized by. There's so many good men still behind them on fucking walls and doors. There are women. This is probably why I'm here. Not just to, you know, of course to support my homie right here, support the show, you know, and, you know, but there's so many other people that are still in prison 20, 30, 40 years in. That's good men that's working in prison with the young dudes coming through. Every day, they trying to give back and they just wasting away. Joe Biden, he can take that pin, commute a lot of these rehabilitated men that I can put my name on. Like, you know, the Lord and the Legend. Tiny. Yeah. Timothy Williams. James Kirby Birx. Motherfucking, my man Silk. You know, Jermaine Lewis. Just numerous guys, man, that I cannot not speak about and put these, because I know these men are good men. They paid, they're not getting out of jail free. They didn't pay their debt, some more than their debt back to society. And Joe Biden ran off of prison reform and having compassion and, you know. Now his boy. Now his son. Yeah, his family. Yeah, it's his family. So the shit, yeah, honey, you know, everybody make their mistakes, you know what I'm saying? We ain't judging them like you do now in a position where family's like ours and you're going to be, because he going to prison, right? And, you know, when the powerful and the connected and things like that, right? It's always different, right? And people are always able to say, oh, people make mistakes. Oh, you know, he got so many good qualities. They never see that in us. And that's somebody who, all right, my father went away. I'm the only person like round my way who ain't never been to jail. Like seriously, I've done time with everybody, right? It's not a singular thing. My dad, that's a singular in that way, but I've done prepping all around this country, visiting people in federal prison, all around this country. And I've helped people return, right? And fought for people in their families that people can move past their mistakes, right? Exactly. Fostering some form of redemption. You know, in 95% most people don't get life without parole like he had. You know what I mean? That's the other thing. He had life without parole. Explain it to a lot of people that don't understand what that is. Your release date is death. You release when you die. That's the sentence. If that should be a death sentence, not no more fucking life without parole, because you ain't no more fucking life. It's really like an illusion of like, there's a slow death sentence. They won't even think you can get out of it. This is where they say to them, man, we gonna put that need on your ass and get rid of your ass now. What the fuck is the difference? It's a slow death. It's a death. If you don't overcome that shit. Because like you said, coming from the city, man, and growing up in that environment, like my father was killed when I was two. So I'm a product of the city, of the streets of the city. And I know from experience, just my own personal journey through life, coming up in the city, how the absence of my father affected my actions and a lot of the things that I got into. And I thought that that's what we had to do because of the environment that we came from. But in the reality, I know it was because of the absence of my pops. Yeah. Being as though you was away for 34 years, like how did you still influence him in the way that you did to keep him from doing what was innately in him to do? Yeah. Unfortunately for me, I never had that direct source. So I just had good men. My uncle was an everybody that was around that kept me from going too far. Right. But you being away, how was you able to keep that and still to him to keep him from following your path when you're a legend in the city, you're a legend out the streets of the city? A lot of pressure. A lot of pressure on Slim. Like, you know, the nepotism will come from having people that come out the streets like you, like my uncle Reggie, a legend uptown. So I know the nepotism where you can show up and because you, and such and such people, come in and get one of these Slim and go up the street. So how did you, from being all the way across the country, how did you manage to navigate that relationship being in prison? As much communication as possible, you know, and big ups to you, Chico for overcoming, you know, your father getting killed in the streets, man, and you still, where you at now and what you have done, man, because a lot of homies, man, in jail on the street, they motivated by you, man, they talk about to see what you doing and what you did and be like, that motherfucker. And they know what you come from, the same to what we came from. And even worse, your dad being killed at the early age. But anyway, big ups to your uncles and stuff, who came to support. And my son had that similar type of support from his uncles, even though all of them was in the streets, too, grandma, you know, just a whole fucking crying family, actually, but, yeah, that's all we knew. That's all we knew, that's all. That's real shit in the DC, man, you know what I'm saying? No, no, man, that shit, boy, oh my God. Yeah, and but, you know, the phone calls, the letters, and me constantly, you know, trying to pound in him and show him what happened to me and don't let that be you, you know what I'm saying? And I know, like I said, by him being my son, there's a lot of pressures that was due to just what you said to your coming at him, trying to send message through him, trying to set up deals through him or trying to offer him, you know, you told me, man, take these, you know, and he would talk to me about some of the things, you know what I'm saying? But it took a lot out of him, not just, because he ain't had to listen to a fucking thing I said because he was getting older now and he can do what he's going to do, you know what I'm saying? But I gave him a lot of credit for seeing the right way to go and what happened to me and being like, and all his friends, all his friends in jail, murdered, just every time I'm calling he going to a funeral, you know, just all that. So, you know, it wasn't that much of me, but a lot more of him and the right decisions that he was making or made. Oh, let me ask you this, 34 years incarcerated, how you keep your mind strong? You taking all my credit. We thinking of the same shit, I'm just like, I won't ask that shit. You said brutal, man. You said brutal. And I was saying this to a few other people, first for real, God, for me. You know what I'm saying? Most definitely. That's real. I prayed a many, prayed a many more fucking nights, man, and all I was asking, don't let me go crazy in this shit. You know what I'm saying? Because, I mean, that's the main factor. You know, to make it, you got to, the mental, you got to keep it. It might go a little weak on you, whatever you got to keep it, man. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, man, that's the hardest part, man. Because prison ain't got so fucking bad, man. They carrying shit in there like... I'm going to ask, was the 10, was the first 10, or the middle 10, or the last 10? What? Like, what's the worstest? Yeah, what was the... Like the last 10 or the last... Yeah, about the last 10, it's just got so bad. And the dudes that they bringing in, man, it's just so watered down and fucked up now, man. And, you know, all this hot shit, niggas coming in, fake paperwork, making up stories. There's just so much shit that I was never used to with coming in when I came in, man. It was real shit going on, real niggas real, you know, even of a racist, it was real shit. And a bunch of gang shit, watered down gang shit, just ain't... You can't... It's hard to be it because I don't feel normal around this shit because this is a bunch of fake shit, you know? And so it's bad, man. Not to mention what the feds didn't turn into, I'm saying far as the wardens and administration, every time you get a new warden, I want to outdo what the last warden did by taking every fucking thing you got and treating you like shit. So I want to do it even worse. You know? So, yeah, it's no place to be. COVID happened, too. Yeah, COVID fucked shit up. Yeah, man. Constantly locked down, you know, going to the hole. Every time you get COVID, it won't put you in a hole in quarantine. It's just... You're selling it at COVID. They put it in the motherfucking sale, which means you get COVID and then you got to go to the hole even though you ain't got COVID, but he got COVID. It's just a lot of stress, man. A lot of pressure, man. And imprisoning... It's all about the money in prison. That's what it came to, I'm saying, far as administration. They want you to spend every dime, you know, on these fake, beat-up fucking tennis shoes and bullshit that they sell us in the commissary. Feed you worse than they can. So you got to buy little snacks and commissary. So it's a hole. And they talk about it among you. You know, because they getting the kickback, getting the money, high-ass prices on garbage that they selling. So it's just awful, man. It was terrible. So for all you young niggas out there, you don't want that prison shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's still clear, man. Do what she calling them to do. Be entrepreneurial, man. Y'all are doing it, man. You know what I'm saying? What's your favorite shit to do now that you're home? Time has changed so much. This is literally a whole other world. So what are some of the things that you are finding pleasure in, man? My granddaughters. My mother-in-law and my son, man. Family shit. You know what I'm saying? For the most part, for me. Because that's all I dreamt about. I was just saying, man, if I ever get out, man, I want to take my granddaughters to school. You know what I'm saying? I want to take these shitties. You didn't got to do it. I'm doing it all the time, man. What was that? I mean, you know, like, you know when you get older, you lose that excitement for shit. And then it's like to be back into the world. Yeah, man. It's the best, man. You know what I'm saying? It's just seeing smiles on their faces. And, you know, because I communicate with them every day in prison. And they always tell me, pop up. We doing this. We doing that. We can't wait. Did you come home? So you can. And all the time I'm saying to myself, yeah, you know what I'm saying to them? I can't wait to come home, too, baby. But I know my chances. I know shit is fucked up, because I'm getting denied left and right. But I know I got my son fighting for me. But it's an uphill, like, you know, they even in good life. You know, son, just like you said earlier, man, against the whole United States government, you know, when they said that you introduced crack cocaine to Washington, D.C. And that label, once they put that shit on their shit, it follows them. Every time I go for a motion, the jail is right in that shit. You know, that shit is tough to overcome, man. Yeah. Tough. Coming out of the city, man, you went to jail in 1989. You come home in 2023. Y'all need to watch for everybody taking the same shit. So listen to my question. Oh, man. You come home in 2023. That's the whole time that you've been alive. That's what I'm thinking. You see two dimensions. You see when you left, and then you see 2023 shit. But then it's like, can you imagine with no explanation of the shit that's in the middle, just come home and be like, what the fuck? And you have to adjust. I'm still adored it. But loving it all at the same mother fucker time, the whole process, man, because, like I said, that prison shit, that shit is brutal, man. It's brutal. And so much shit going on, man. The drugs, the motherfuckers. It's like, every day it's like, you know, like being on a drug strip, everybody, everybody. Because the pressure's so great in there, that's the only fucking release, man. Mother fucker, give me that K2. Give me the chemicals out of unicor. These motherfuckers are using anything and everything to get high if they can. They don't give a fuck, man. Because the pressure's so big. They got like, not clean again, but the chemicals like in unicor, which they like make glue and attacks, you know, every, most of the federal prisons got their own industry. They make different, and cumberland where I just came from, they're making the car tax. And so all the different chemicals they use for the paint and all that shit, they bring it from Unicor and they're selling that shit. And the pressure's just so great, man. Dudes in there, man, can't take it. And the whole release is getting high. There's a lot of motherfuckers in there. The mental illness, that shit is off the chain in prison now. So talk about the people that, like, I know people who have the institutionalized, right? They go in chain gang and they get accustomed to chain gang. And then now they're about to come home. It sounds crazy, but you got some people who's scared to come home. Yeah. I had a few people tell me that before I wound up getting the blessing and Dudes was getting ready to go home and they be, we'll be talking. They be like, man, I'm kind of, I'm like, what the fuck, you mean you scared? Nigga, you just did 10 years. You ready to get out the money? You talking about you scared? Or what? I wasn't understanding what, and he was like, man, you know, here, man, we, you know, we got everything set, man. You know, I got my own sale. Nigga, you want to stay in that motherfucking sale? Because I don't, let me tell him, is there any way we can change that you stay the fuck here? I want to go. Right. But you're right though. Nah, seriously though. Before you got out, you knew you was going home. You ain't getting nervous or nothing at all. Yeah, I got a little nervous, but not because of the fact of going home. But just different things. It's the joy of freedom. And my, I knew, I only knew like, what was it like a Saturday or something? I knew, and I got released Monday. So it was only like a day or a day and a half in between that I didn't know, I ain't no shit. Your last night. I couldn't even fucking sleep. I couldn't even, man, I couldn't, nothing, man, because I didn't, you know, and, you know, not knowing what to actually inspect, like with freedom, you know what I'm saying? But I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. Like, give that shit out. Give me the fuck. I don't care. Yeah. For those who are scared or it's like, why, I know they like, I got this, but it's like, are you scared to enter the free world because of how somebody may not accept you or... The pressure is not fucking up and coming back. It's like what I was just great at. It's like, I can understand that fear of somebody who went to jail in 1989 and Washington, DC, and come home in 2023, 26 and 62, like put it like that. Let's also let's go to jail 26 years old. You come home 60 years old and you come home to a city, you left the city that don't exist no more. Literally where we come from, especially outside of town has been stripped of everything that you knew when you left the streets. So now you come home and look at Washington DC now, like do you still feel the same? I mean, I understand the freedom part, but just as a native, like how does it make you feel? Being as though you left the streets with it looking like this and came home to what it is now, how does it make you feel, man? When I'm among some men, good men that I knew back from the day, my son, a lot of his friends, Booby and a lot of good men. I feel normal, like back, somewhat back in the day, but aside from that and away from that, yeah, it is like it's kind of like shit far and somewhat the gentrification shit is really, man, you know, no more the barbershop that you used to go to the black owned store down on the corner, all that shit gone, all these little cafes, they sitting on the dogs, they walking dog, nothing to guess with though, but the shit is it just make you feel, you know, like you like that, what the fuck am I at? This ain't DC, no more, you know? All the way, I know how much it break my heart because we was out and so it happened, you know what I mean? I would say that Anthony Williams was the start of the city getting reconstructed in regards and they started uptown, so they literally started, you know, on the avenue right by Petworth and you know what I mean, when they started building the train station and all that, I was going back and forth to school and seeing them strip and then once they tore down the war work on 14th Street and all that good shit, I'm like, man, what are they doing? You know, it was crazy, bro, that's it. As a, so I'm 43, and I was blocked, right? They cordially handled down, and was that part, 85 or something like that, 86? I remember about by 90, they moved out, everybody that was delivered on our block that was on public assistance and this one of the things that dawned on me, D.C. was so bad, right, at a certain point. A lot of the houses, homes, uptown got a little different but even uptown, a lot of the houses, the families that lived in those houses where we thought they owned those houses, man, people that was renting for 30, 40 years, just cause you couldn't get nobody else to kind of buy it. Nobody wanted to live in these, now these same places, right, so they moved, so I'm, so from 90s, so from when I'm like 10 to the 10, probably, till I'm like 7, 18, yeah, so the whole 90s, it took like that 10 years spending for people to start actually coming in, buying houses, it was like maybe 40%, I grew up on a block, only 40% of the houses has somebody that lived in them. All right, I went to Dunbar, so I was right there. I was right there by y'all, but I started to see the distribution. I went to Dunbar. You went to Dunbar? Yeah, I graduated from Dunbar too, man, and it's like y'all earlier, you know, the whole city knew y'all earlier because of the history of, you know, everybody just, you know, knowing, and like, I don't know if you knew that this was going on being as though you was incarcerated, but I'm sure you probably could tell from how many of us was coming in and out of the federal penitentiary system throughout that time, but we have a war mentality in the city. I know my general, like I'm younger than him, but I generate, like we was into that type of shit, like we was glorifying the ignorance because that's really all we had, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? We was proud of that shit. Like we was really proud of the shit that, you know, even once you became a victim to it, I'd have seen so much murder and death and been in so many situations, but still it's like you become numb to it in a way where it's not just a numbness, it's a, man, shit, fuck, that's my turn, you know what I mean? All right, man, ain't nobody gonna ask, I'm gonna ask. The incarceration shit is saying, tell me about some of the fun you had in the streets before this shit happened. Jesus Christ. Somebody gotta ask that. I didn't want to get into it. I don't even know, tell me about it. I might be watching, I didn't want to ask. That's the week you had in these streets. I was listening to Shannon Briggs when he was saying about the fight, the Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagg. When you were there. And me and my son was there, yeah, we was there, you know what I'm saying? We just looking at each other and just saying, hey, he remember for sure. Him and my two nephews, I took them to Vegas. First coming down, first I've been on the playing since then. Just, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That wasn't my first time. Hey, boss out, yes sir. All right, it was good. Yes sir. It was good, yeah. But Super Bowl, you know, in the Redskins, in the motherfucking 80s, and you know, the three jumps in a row and just two of them rather. And just the casino, Atlanta City, Vegas, just the big crap games on the streets, hundreds of thousands of dollars. Niggas bringing bags up in full of money. And it was some of the best years of my life. That's the best year of my life. Shit right there, $100,000 crap games in the hood. Yeah. And I'm gonna say this line, I'm gonna say this line. It's off of the head. It is. It's off of the head. Feet up. Feet up. Oh my God. You know, and I'm not, you know, I think one of the things about the DC experience you kind of touched on, but I think it's relevant. It is a, it's something, we didn't, we haven't had anyone, particularly like from cinema or music, to really talk about these things, right, that happened with them, that you'll be hard pressed to really find. Niggas, I'm seeing it creating the movie in my head and the more y'all talk, I'm like, somebody got to know about this shit. I've not seen the Kurt Bohn documentary, right? That came, I remember the Kurt Bohn did the documentary on Rafe. I remember watching it and the niggas said, y'all niggas was be sitting outside serving ounces and half ounces all day long. I said, nigga, if I can serve ounces and half ounces all day long, I might take that risk now. Like, nigga, I might, nigga, ounces and half ounces all day, that 24 hours, nigga, is just serving whole. And I'm just looking at this era of time in the city. Man, you know, it's so many of us that have been affected by it, but being as though you was dead. Like, when did you know that it was, when did you know, two part question, when did you know that it was like, oh shit, nigga, we didn't hit, we didn't hit this shit about to be something else? And second part, when did you know it's over with? Because you always feel it before they come. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. When did I know that we really, really hit? As far as, like, nigga, up, we win a different. Yeah, well, my man, Cornel Jones, a lot of people don't know his name or know his story, but you know from the city, when he came home for federal prison. And, you know, we was always, I was already doing some small things, fuck what he do, that wasn't from around the way. He was cool, older dude, you know, but he was fucking me around. I was young, I didn't really know, but I was moving this shit. But, and Cornel, you know, he always kept his ear to the streets, even though he was in prison. And he had been hearing about this, he had sent a few messages like, yeah, I'm coming home, such and such, such and such, you know, what you're doing, you know, like that. I'm gonna make that shit look like it ain't nothing. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah, okay, Cornel, I'll see you when you know. So he, you know, he come home. And, you know, we go to dinner or whatever, he talking to me and they're like, man, what you are doing? What is this, how much is it? I tell him, he said, what? He said, man, I got, that shit is nuts. I'm still, I'm listening to him, right? I was like, nigga, there ain't no way you just coming home from jail and you telling me you can do all this shit right here. And sure shit, he could and he did. And that's when I knew, you know what I'm saying, that the price that he was getting them, you know, Jones coming from Miami, it's quick, Ray Fatt. Yeah, so that's when I knew that it was. Tell me, what date that for? Yeah, this was like, my fucking 80, 83, 84, around that time. Man, we probably had a number so sweet. Yeah. Don't get no bets for 6 to 500, please. What? And mind you, this Ray Fadman shit that I want to get in life without parole, he wasn't even known of the picture, wasn't even in the picture or nothing, this Ray Fadman shit. So this was all hand over shit, nothing to do, you know what I'm saying? So even way before him, I was already, you know, taking it off and going, you know what I'm saying? Way past even what I, what they want to be doing the little shit with him, that shit wasn't, you know, but they made it out cause they wanted him so bad and the city was murder capital and they said, we gon' get you niggas and get y'all all this, you know? And that's, it's kind of like, you know, where it went from. One of the scariest nights in the streets where you like, shit, this, ooh, for the hard way you can hit it hard, pound it. Yeah, yeah. You know, back then, you know, niggas was out hunting, that kidnapping shit, that shit started back when we, you know what I'm saying? Back in the 80s and back in our time or our city. City and try to muffle, try to bring me a move, you know? With the kidnap shit and all of that, but I had already got the word before it, you know what I'm saying? And that was, you know, some scary shit, you know, to be honest, but they ain't succeed and, you know, that was that. But yeah, that was some scary shit. Niggas, listen, you gotta know what that means, Slim. That's the difference in that era to now. Now niggas is tweeting, yeah, niggas just try to kidnap me, Slim, but I gotta wait, fuck these bitch ass niggas. Then you didn't even move. Like, bro. I'm leaving the state. Man, some niggas trying to kidnap you, okay. Like, but the second part of the question, when you know they was coming? Oh, they started calling him off through the grand jury. And, you know, most of the times, you know, people you know, and they'll tell him, don't tell, you know, there's always gonna be somebody to fuck with you. Be like, look, man, my father's coming to the grand jury. So I asked him, are you ready for the whole? And that's when I knew I said, and I told him, he wanna laugh that shit off. I said, he's my fucks coming, man. Ain't no way they got no grand jury here. He's coming. Now I named the first motherfuckers on, and they ain't coming with something. They always get in diamond when it's a grand jury. You know, and that's when I knew, I said, this shit coming, but I ain't know that it was coming like this. I'm like, I ain't never got no drugs around me. Ain't no drugs in my residence. So if they come, fuck up what they gonna do. But I'm off of one hip to this conspiracy shit, and A48 and Ricoh, and all this kind of shit. Those was the laws designed for the mob. But they started using them in the city. They said, you know what, we gonna get these niggas. Cause especially for the ones who are smart enough not to be around drugs, never, you know, sell drugs personally to their self. This how we get them. And that's what, and that's like, hey. So Basie, you got caught off, he say, she say. They never had any thing to say, we got them. No real. And they raid all my Johnson. They never found it. You know, you a fucking street hero. I would've lost my goddamn, I know that shit. 34 year niggas thing, that shit ain't nothing to play with. That's a real guy shit. That's a real testimonial, man, it's like, like we the, we the, we the generation. I ain't get caught for shit. Like I'm 40, I mean, in your generation. So it's like. You know how mad I'd be when I get caught with nothing. We only, we only saw them days where everybody went away. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, now, like you said, it's a time when we had a phase of our life where these guys are coming back to office and the cousins and fathers and the shit like that. So now it's like, we finally getting to hear that side of the story. You know what I'm saying? Cause we've been led with this narrative, like you said, for like your son 34 years, 20 years. So it's like, now we getting to see the other side or hear the other side. It's like another, it's like another form of lynching. You just got away. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, man. You know, that life without parole slam, you being nine years old, I want to get both of y'all perspective on when you heard it and when you heard it, like when you found out that they, when they gave you that sentence, like what, what go through your mind when you hit life without parole? That's it. Make your legs buckle. Make your, seriously, man. Your mother-in-law skipped some beats, you know what I'm saying? Cause that shit is serious life without parole. No parole, you just do life. Just continue. And we kept a secret from him cause he was young, but in a few years he found out on his own and he, cause he ain't actually, he always like that when you coming home, that I'll never give him a time, but I'm coming home son. I had, I couldn't tell him that shit. That shit was crushing the meat. So I know what it would have did to him at nine or 10, 11 years old. You know what I'm saying? Nah, I mean, I just, I was gonna say that, like I ain't know it. Yeah, he ain't know the severity. The day of the sentence, it might, it was at Quantico Marine Base, right? Yeah, Marine Base, not a prison, you know what I'm saying? That's what the FBI trained. Yeah, now, yeah. So you visit at the jail, right? And I never forget that. Like we walk up to the cell, his cell was like last, I don't know how many, it was like eight or nine of them, his cell was at the end of the wall. And he was wiping, you know, wiping the tears from his eyes and shit. And he just was like, you know, like you gotta be strong, you know what I'm saying? I'm nine. And my father tells me, you gotta be strong. And I'm like, all right, you know, I don't even know what that really means. But in my little mind, you know that meant that whatever we about to go through, we gonna go through it together, you feel what I'm saying? And I ain't quit at 34 years and I was there every step of the way. So. Yeah, man, that's glorious, man. Like for my, I love the story, man. What are you looking forward to? What's the next step? Like, I know you just looking forward, fuck the time and all that. It's like, we try to get this story on the screen, you know what I'm saying? We gotta make a hand. Try to get this story on the screen, some kind of way. Cause there's so many facets, shit that we, we can't even, we're not gonna talk about even here. So it's just so much more to, you know, cause it's basically two different, two different drug conspiracies and two different parts of the city, you know? And it's just so much. You gotta have been the early part of the government conspiracy type shit. Yeah, but we, you know, we want to get the story out. Not just, you know, of course, we want to make a few dollars. Ain't no secret about that shit, but we also want to try to deter the young people. From taking this path, you know, not even with drugs, but even with the more so with the violence that's going on, the senseless violence, this stupid shit, all you hear every day, all the carjacking, you know, motherfuckers shooting women, shooting kids and all that shit. We ain't never respect none of that shit, man. And still don't. Our own people, we don't respect that shit. When you come into prison and we hear you got that, we don't respect that shit. Even if niggas think that that shit is respected when you come to prison, that shit ain't respected, man. You know, so that's what the main reason the difference in, like, you know, cause the violence, it was more violence in that era, in the 80s and 90s, but it was, you know, and I don't know if you can even say this, but I'ma say it was respectable. It was, you know. You get about something. You know. It felt like then it was relegated to those that were in that, in our lifestyle. Now it seems like it happened. Whoever. Yeah, nobody off limits. Nobody's safe. And that shit can't be respected, especially when it comes to our women and our children, man. And our mothers and our, yeah, no. So I say that to say, to what's going on now, you was in prison for 34 years. What happens when these young niggas come into jail? What happens, man? So much shit happens. They ain't drawn, huh? You sit back and you be looking like, just a nigga that killed three people. What the fuck? And this nigga acting like that, letting them niggas carry it. What the fuck is this? Nigga, you just killed three people all day and you were here like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? And that's the reality, a lot of this shit, man. Cause the niggas in there got them motherfucking swords and them knives and they, you ain't got that gun no more, nigga. You ain't with the wolves, man. Especially if they start them off in these penitentiaries. These FCIs, medium securities, a lot more calm and peaceful camps. But you start off in a pen, like my first 13 years and shit, that shit brutal, man. You know, motherfucking joke. So there would be the killers that a lot of the young, that's down here popping that gun and that shit like that. And they go come in and they send them to these penitentiaries across the country. That shit is some surge, brutal shit, surge, man. Especially in our city with like, you know, our population is pretty small. So it ain't everybody know, yeah, and it's federal, but everybody know you kill this motherfucker. Here, this uncle probably in the same prison you'll go to, his cousin. That should be popping off like, yeah, popping off like shit. So you busting that gun out there when you coming to that motherfucking prison, you better be ready. Ain't no gun though. You gonna have to go hand in hand warfare. It's fucked up since 82, man. Shit's serious, man. You came under to be motherfucking smoking backwoods, busting nuts and shit. This nigga out here working out going hard. Yeah, yeah. She as hard as their motherfucking war. Yeah, man, it's serious shit though, man. But I just hope that, man, you know. I knew a nigga on the street, he was a gangster, but when he went in, boy, a boy was in there doing some things. You like, hold up. Not shawty. I was on the street, had everybody terrified. Yeah. You tell him that he and I, he and I iron and draw. Man, you watching drones, man? Yeah, nigga being that iron and draw. Bro, I see, I mean, through not just my work, but just my life, you know, you seen dudes go in and it may be a young dude, I might've came to his school. He was in one of my programs. I might go into the prison for work. You know, talk to DC guys, different federal institutions. And I see the look in his eye. It ain't that look that was on the street. Like he's scared. Or I get a call from every one of his hymns. One of the other homies, they slow. You know, this, you know, y'all can see. They ain't pressin' him, we scared, whatever. You want me to look out for him? You know, like not him, you know what I'm sayin'? But the other thing, I mean, the other part of this, I'm talkin' about you and for the stronger, the stronger, you ask the question about mental health, his mental health and his strength. You know what I'm sayin'? I had my uncle wanted to admit my mother's brother. A man I regarded as probably one of the strongest men I've ever met in my life. It's a tough life. Me too, I looked up to him for sure. And my uncle on January 1st, 2012, he had a life without parole as well. He killed himself, man. I just not fuckin' believe that. I think I'm still processing that, right? 11 years later. But I'm talkin' about, I seen what the reality of like them long sentences, I'm talkin' about these structures. I'm talkin' about, don't be dick, don't nothin'. But he a man's man. Been in prison. What grade you been like? That was the 3rd, yeah, that was the 3rd jump. 3rd federal beef. 10, 8, 10. And then the 3rd one, life without parole. And if you had told me to pick anybody in prison, anybody in the world, who would commit suicide in jail, he wouldn't even be in my thought nowhere close. It was a beast. And the pressure of that shit, man, that shit. It just don't, that mental shit, man. You can't control it. And I used to think about this, right? And I'm thinkin' like, I'm sayin', damn. That shit havin' on the grade. From that point on, until I pick up the phone, I'm like, hey, what's up, you all right? Like, you know, how you tryin' to gauge his middle? Cause I mean, this shit's that way from now. Straight, man. That's what I'm asking you, I feel you. But he never said the words like, we never talked about that Gregory thing as far as, you know, comparing me with that. And I knew that that was in the back of my son's mind. Cause who, why wouldn't it be? He like, damn, my daddy. Cause I had did way more time than Gregory. Cause Gregory had been out back in and back out. My shit was straight, you know what I'm sayin'? But I never wanted to bring it up to him to put it in his mind, no thought, like, but that shit wasn't never in my mind, but it just didn't happen to his uncle. So it was, you know, it was another mental. That existence, right? Yeah. The most important thing, I think, to take away from me was always like, and he was always very transparent about, never made jail seem cool. Like it was I, like he was comfortable, like he liked him, nothin'. And everybody else around us though, man, I'm like, what's up, Slug? Man, we in this joke show, you know what I'm sayin'? Exactly, right? So for his, his, his, so I used to be like, damn, but what it does though, to see somebody, like what the existence does to somebody when you constantly dehumanize, what that does to one's humanity, you feel me? And like, that's what's walkin' out them gates. People that's like every day, they being dehumanized, right? And that can't erode your humanity. You can start to like, not only want to flee, it's not a weak thing. It'll make you harder. It beats you down. That exists, that's our unnatural existence. So it also puts every other relationship in jeopardy. The relationship with your mother, with your children, with your siblings, with your woman. You understand what I'm sayin'? With your friends, because it's unnatural. You gotta really work to maintain. Don't people, you don't make it 34 years bonded like we are, bro. You, it don't happen. I'm not even patting us in the back. I'm more thanking God, cause I'm telling you, that shit is not feasible. You don't make it through it. Our community, Black and Brown, but particularly Black communities, man, we are really in the spotlight and the bullseye of that exact thing. You understand what I'm sayin'? And so that's why we're tryin' to work so hard, not only the reform was happening to two people in prison, keeping families connected, workin' around family reunification, tryin' to make sure all the barriers around housing and employment are removed. I ain't talkin' about just in DC. I ain't talkin' about in America, right? Cause that's a set you to the longevity and the sustainability, the stabilization of our families. Bro, without it, man, she gon' continue to go, it's gon' get more and more pervasive, it's gon' get worse. You know what I'm sayin'? So, yeah, I ain't mean to go on that side. Nah, nah, pop your shit. He nigga need to hit his shit. I gotta ask, man, because there's somethin', what you just said just sparked a question in my mind about the connection that y'all kept. You know, me not havin' a father growing up, I always wonder, like, that moment that I've watched all my partners go through with Dave Daz, where you kinda like, you know, face off in the, I'm a man now, moment that you have with your father. You know what I mean? Did y'all ever have that moment? And when was that moment? Do you remember when it was? One hour ago, mainly was, I probably was, I was probably in my 20s, 20s. And my father, like, we come from a top-down structure. I mean, he and I, but it's also in our environment. Like, it's a high, I don't know my roles. Even he in prison, I'm out here, but I know my role. And I felt good, honorin' it. And my uncles that I talk to, my uncle, my uncle Boo, my old Alvin, Cornel, with me, I guess, so I get that, I know my role in it. But when you in jail, it's hard to eat. It's hard for him to see. We talk a lot and all that. But you're not seein' me growin' up. I'm still that nine-year-old boy. You know what I'm sayin'? He tellin' me, like, I forgot I was born so-about, like, what I'm doin', like, hey. Was that about, was that about the letter, son, when I was, you told me, Mel? Oh, yeah, that's exactly what the, so, you know, every time I need to be locked up with him and they go to another institution, I'm a fuckin' male, man. Man, you ain't sendin' them letters. And, and, and, and, and, so what, so, right. So what I thought you lost the letter, what happened? You was pressed like, I ain't, you ain't sendin' yet, I'm like, man, then I couldn't find it, that's what happened. Yeah, you couldn't find the letter, nigga, it wrote me. So I'm important, I needed that more fuckin' letter, man. I don't know where I said that, it might be a whole, I don't know what's the letter, but my point is, I'm tryin' to survive out of this institution, that's how it is. I'm tryin' to get through life and you talkin' about a letter, like I ain't got nothin' else goin' on, you know what I'm sayin'? So it was like that, right? We had like a, like a, Yeah, that was one of our first, you know what I'm sayin'? I was mad as shit. Look, that's what I think, that's what I think. I think that's what it was. It's somethin' fucked up, goddamn letters, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, look, I'm knowin' to be, I don't know what's happened. But I can only say this over the phone, see, I ain't in the, I can't be in the nigga face, seriously, so. But you ain't seen also that I'm evolving, I got a lot of shit goin' on. Man, one of the things about it, I was proud of myself for, at the end of the day, I've all, wherever it's a money order, wherever it's goin' to meet somebody, wherever it's a call, call, I always did what you asked me to do. Don't go all the way off of me, cause I miss one time. And I'm out here, it ain't nobody out here with me. And my mother, my mother's kid's a friend right here, and that's burned, I didn't, you know what I'm sayin'? At that time my mother had moved, she was still with me, you know what I'm sayin'? Just a lot of shit goin' on, and I ain't got nobody to turn to right at that time. So that was that, but what that did, every little is the beauty, the beautiful thing about us, and this is just real shit. And I'm so grateful about this. Every full part we had, whatever, that shit ain't never last long, it only made us stronger, you know what I'm sayin'? I mean, every one, you know what I'm sayin'? I mean, definitely, I had them like, you know, so you go ahead and, it's inevitable, you can't, you know, follow some relationship. That's what I'm talkin' about. I'm sittin' here lookin' at it, I'm like, bro, this shit is amazing, bro. Yeah, like, of course y'all been contact with each other, catchin' up with your son, like bein' it, like bein' it. Seein' what kind of man he is, just learnin' them all over. So proud of him, I, you know, from prison every day, son, I'm proud of you, man, cause I'd be here so much, he keepin' me with a rack of pictures, he always made me felt like, you were missin' out. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't missin' out, I was there, you know, just with the little means that whether it's pictures, the phone, the letters, the, you know, seein' them on the news, seein' them on the TV, whatever the case may be, you know, so it's just, and then now, we can just be on a, not like on a plane, we just look at each other, or he might say, Dad, can you believe this shit? We on a plane together, we goin', you know what I'm sayin'? Or we could just be in a, you know, drivin' together, go eat breakfast, and we just look at each other, sometimes I'll say, sometimes he'll say it, just those little small things, that shit is just amazing from where we was at. Six months ago, five months ago. We never, like the people, we lived together, like I'm coming downstairs, and I'm like, Blank, he right there, ghost, man. Shit, crazy, fuck, I can imagine, man. I built the same way. When I seen it, I think it tomorrow, I was like, Dad, I think I'm right here. You know what I'm sayin'? I've been tryin' a little bit of everything. What's your shit? But still tryin' to fruit, that's what it's shit, like in prison, you know, they wanna get you one apple, you know, whatever it might be that day, one banana, and then I can buy all the motherfuckin' fruit I want, I don't give a fuck. Where the boss up, where the boss up, you know what I'm sayin'? Hey, where the shit, what the shit, I don't give a fuck. My son's like, we livin' them all, what did you buy all this shit? You know what I'm sayin'? We was in the grocery store today. But you know what, he tellin' me how much shit I can get, the fuck. But you think I want them apples, I want them plums, I want them bananas, all that shit. But you know what, even through over, you know what I'm sayin'? Overcoming adversity, man. I'm just sittin' back observin', you feel me? I really just want to stay in peak game and just really feel the vibe of someone who actually did what a lot of us escaped from. You know what I'm sayin'? Like, I know a lot of people who probably don't even know that gangsta and did something one time and doin' a 40, doin' a 50. Like, you don't even know if you like this shit or not. And you got 40? You got 40? Yeah. You didn't get a chance to figure it out, you feel me? And to actually look in the face of someone who's done it, not only done it, seen the success from it, and seen the downfall from it. But the overall picture I get to see, God is still in the picture. No doubt. And the love that y'all got for each other, that's the only way it could've worked. Yeah, the only way. The only way. The only way. Yeah, no doubt. And that's the most, I mean, for the end of the day though, bro, like how I see it, how I see the world. That's gangsta shit. That other shit ain't even in the world. Right, right. Exactly. Family. Yeah. Being present, lovin' on your people, takin' care of your people. Never giving up the fight. I'm sayin', that's gangsta. And that's what we gotta continue to put. I'm not, even in all my, where everybody know me, like I'm a positive dude, but I ain't on no preach type time and none of that. Right. You righteous though. Yeah, I'm super righteous. You understand? But I ain't no sound fight nigga, I'm not, but I do it. Right. And what I mean by that is, you know, we in us, we're all in the same boat, in my mind, in this debt. We come from environments where we, but we show people that there's different routes. In his day, they weren't those, it wasn't, we didn't exist. People like us didn't exist. Right. That a dude from the same conditions could see and say, well he ain't laying, he ain't corny, he from where I'm from, but he doin' somethin' positive. And that means I can do it. There are multiple lanes there. Like what's you know doin' for the city? There's no question about it. You know what I'm sayin'? Like I said, in prison, a rockin' home with no company, and that's our home base, so a lot of rockin' DC diggers, and every time they motherfuckin' wildin' out, comin' out. They lookin' at your motherfuckin' ass, and then when you got this show right here, man, yeah, yeah. Great example. Great example. Probably an example. Man, it's so ironic, because y'all here, y'all from the city, we from the same place, given the history of what the city is, what DC is yesterday, I was on the west side of Atlanta, where he from. And I got a real insight into where he come from. And mind you, this didn't always been my tour guide to the city that I'm not from. You know what I mean? Like he didn't always been there, because he is Atlanta. Los is honorary Atlanta, be a Mississippi nigga, but he's done the same thing for me, where he's from, in regards to taking me to his hometown and showing me how things work, and just being able to have somebody that's present that is, can give you that type of insight, and vision into somewhere that they don't come from, but be able to show you the identifiable parts of why we the same. We don't usually get to do that. So me being on his side of town, and being able to see the similarities and all of the things that, I experienced growing up, where I grew up, and seeing that this nigga was the same shit. And now it's vice versa, I'm sitting here watching it, and I'm like, you, it's weird. Yeah, so it's bad. That's the beautiful part of, just this type of circle, and why I meant so much to me, to have you here Slim, because I'm an example, like when niggas come home, and I come out the streets for real, like it's not, you know what I'm saying? Like it's not anything that I'd ever need to talk about, because when I go home, and when I come back to the city, it's very from my man from Gaithersburg, I tell you, like my man from Gaithersburg over there, and say from my neighborhood, my man say from my neighborhood, he from Gaithersburg for real, but you know, like being it, coming back home, and coming and seeing the type of reaction that people had with me. It's niggas I used to have real problems with, that is like Slim, now I'm proud of you Slim. And that right there, blow my mind Slim, like the type of reactions that I get from people that I don't know, cause I done always been somebody. I was, you know, not having a father and coming up in the city, my mother got arrested, so put me outside, like nine years old, I'm outside, I'm catching a bus by myself, I'm doing all that shit. So you grow up quick where we from, you know what I'm saying? And the fact that I didn't allow that to be my definition, because a lot of us, that's all we strive to be. And that was one point in my life where all I wanted to be was something in my circumference, you know what I'm saying? Well I think one of the places too though, right? Where even the dude that get a shit, like it's, you know, it was Chalkin City, you know, it's still relatively super black, I mean really black, but it ain't no where in this black it was when we was coming up but the point I'm making is, our street element was dominant culture. Right, so the good guy in from DC, our street guy, it's just so the street element is so, so, you know, pervasive and so it sets the standard for everything else. So it's like even the guys who, that's just didn't, ain't trying to be in the street. This street, I got to be street. That is how it is in my city. It's an old metro driver, but I'm making my mic work at the grocery store, and it's everywhere. But his brother in there man was sad, he ain't got no choice. Don't you don't have no choice, because it's everywhere. It was everywhere, but it was normal to us. And I'm just glad to be a reflection though, where we come from to show that, man, that ain't got to be all, you know, it's some all the shit out here. It means so much to be able to come from your city and then leave and then come back and not be a bitch. Yeah. That's what, that's the main thing. We must. That's the badge of honor when you can come back where you grew up and ain't nobody slapping shit at you or taking your shit or calling you a pussy. That's the badge of honor. The gentrification piece in our city though, it really is a parallel though, from the era what happened, the crack epidemic hit D.C. most severely in any place in America. And so it destabilized our family so much that that's why we've seen a deeper, we was the crack capital, we also the gentrification capital. It's an incredible parallel between the two things. And what I just mentioned about the street culture being dominant, so many people did not make it or so many people went to prison, got criminal records and they can't acquire the type of jobs that's gonna lie to you now, the pain, you know, 37, 24 in efficiency. You feel what I'm saying? You know what? So this is really what, you know, the like the full circle moment and his experience, his era, the work that I've been doing, what you're doing and what we're trying to influence on the next generation, right? Really is about if you gonna be in, if you gonna be able to be in Washington, D.C., you don't have to be a high functioning person for all that bullshit. There's no room for it. We've been, we got generations and generations of us that's just, this is crap. They gone, you know what I'm saying? We got young, I've never seen the face of the homeless population in our city is just complete. Matter of fact, we was downtown here earlier though, it looked like a shit kind of similar. It's like the homeless population is trending younger. Man, they're young, they're from 24 to 30 and shit. So like that? They giving up faster too. Yeah. They giving up faster, and you gotta also understand, like, okay, I was a local little BT drug dealer, okay? Compared to niggas who were, you feel me, compared to a niggas who really out here handling business but I'm like, I'm the little guy who's probably, who was the little guy of the nigga who you gave it to. But okay, you got states, but I'm the little nigga who got streets. But it's like, okay, it's not the same money as it was back then and even to today. And it's not gonna be even to today. I'm like, if you jumping out selling dope right now, you're doing this shit for a lifestyle, my nigga. Man, the game's so fucked up. Is it by just selling dope to go to work? And get, nah, and guess what? Man, it's not even, it's not even, it don't weigh the same. It don't, it don't weigh the same. We did a lot of work over the last, you know, 10, 15 years around what we would call prison reform, criminal justice reform, and like my brother Sean is here doing work at Dreamcourt, I done been walking a lot of other folks that we've been fighting, right? But now the pendulum is now swinging back in the direction of tough on crime. I'm bringing that up to the point you, everybody running around thinking, they trying to look sweet on the gram and they getting out of there, they are gonna burn your ass up. And it ain't gonna be nothing that we can do, but it wasn't, we gave y'all a chance. Like really and truly, I just think that's very, very important. That's why we on this motherfucker, we ain't just talking about shit just to be talking. We trying to save motherfucker lives, man. Especially our young men and women, man. Brothers and sisters, man. This shit is serious, man. It's not a game. We know with the Republicans, they already got the house. If they get the presidency or get the Senate, you talking, you think tough laws that fuck me around was in place. That shit is coming back, coming back more, more, more, more stronger. And they not gonna be trying to hear no Tony Lewis, Julian talk about, man, nah, that ain't right. Because they're not with the baby getting shot. Now with Ramon doing project. Project, yeah. They don't want to hear that shit. Ain't nobody gonna be trying to hear that. And I'm already feeling that. You know, you hear it. And the blackcoats, AKA the secret laws to criminalize us. Like when you say, when you got locked up, that one ground was equivalent to a hundred grams. So when you out here serving, I want you to know that one gram, to them, it's a kilo, my boy. Yeah, a little bit too drunk, didn't it? Now you know, but guess what? Guess what? The crack for this generation. And I don't mean up to keep, but this is important too for the youngest. I know watch this jump. That ghost jump. The ghost club will be the crack. Cause the drugs, they won't wear that switch. They'll be, that clip would see like, especially in places like this. Them enhancements. Major enhancements. Yeah, exactly. We only had 10 in the zone. They got 30, got 50 on the zone. You got to know your laws. Know the rules. Know the rules. You got to know the rules. Know the rules. You came home and found out you can have a gun in DC. Yeah, I never thought I said, we always had the toughest motherfucking gun and all that came home. But then as me and my son talk, you just put it together. The gentrification, white people moving into the communities, they scared. And you know what they say? Oh, we're going to let y'all protect y'allself. But us black folks that's been there forever, you could never own a gun. Now all of a sudden with the gentrification, now you can own a gun in DC. For a gun, two years each bullet. Yeah, all that. Guess what happens though, if you a gun owner, and you got a family member, come home and live with you. They can get one for you. Yeah, but he can't live. You got to turn your gun in. Yeah. So when we talking about, we talking about how deep this shit go. Time out slam. Yeah, time out slam. So you are legally able to own a gun in the city and somebody come home from jail and stand with you. You can't have your gun. If I came home, I couldn't live in there with that gun in that house. You got to get rid of the gun or get rid of me. And so what is it going to be? And if you don't know that law, both of y'all are breaking the law. Yeah, yeah. They motherfucking... I don't really get a mutual toast. I'm telling you that. But I had to give in to motherfucking off for your hand. You better be writing on a motherfucker with that toast. You see, I don't remember toaster dust on the goddamn floor. We didn't tell you that ain't gonna work. Nah, this is third though. We heard. Go be a nigga and look you dare to your face. I.e. You got to be up before me and put motherfucking craw through this one. You better go at a... Hold him down, tickle his feet. But that's the... Those are the... We started talking about the collateral consequences. Right. Right? Families like ours, you got to endure that kind of shit that people, the normal person, don't even think of that it go that far. You know what I'm saying? But it does. But it does, man. One of the things I was talking about about like full... We call formerly incarcerated people returning to citizens in our city, right? But people need to just be seen as citizens. You know, if you pay taxes, you work and you contribute to your community, you should be able to have full, all your rights should be restored. That goes from vote. One thing I am happy to say in DC, we can, you never lose your right to vote. You can even vote from federal prison. But that's hard. Yeah. You know, me and others, people that work to make that a thing, but... They ought to use that. They ought to make like, all the prisoners should get like an electoral college vote. We're just waiting on the guys from prison. Yeah, right. We've got Attica coming in at 48%. Hold on, guys. Hold on, guys. This could be big. Just getting the numbers from federal corrections. Looks like they're going to swing the election. They all voted for Rand Paul. But that is kind of why, you know, we talk about, that's a form of voter suppression. You know what I'm saying? Like the law, why can't they vote? Like, what do you, like, what? They're still citizens, you know what I'm saying? So I'm happy to see our homies that's in the fence can vote. 2020 election, my dad was able to vote. You know what I'm saying? Good for you. That's good, man. Wasn't your first time? First time. Never voted on the street for sure and never voted in prison until my son and them helped pass that legislation. So... Yeah, hopefully the country can model that. But the rights restaurant, I just wanted to say about the full rights restoration. If you don't restore people's rights, you know what I mean? Like, you don't give people the right to be a part of the whole. And then they act out if you will, whether that's furthering, no return to criminal, breaking the law, whatever the case may be. How can we fully hold people accountable? You ain't letting them in. In no way shape a form. And I shouldn't have a moral right to protect myself and my wife and my daughters than a man who been to prison who has a wife and a kids or girlfriend and kids. He's supposed to be able to protect his home. He has some good action coming out of Mississippi though, right? Where a federal judge in Mississippi, a dude got a federal beef, he shot a dude trying to come in the house and rob him. And the federal judge said he was not gonna charge, he charged with the drug, he said, I'm not gonna send you for that gun. And he sent it up to the Supreme Court because the Constitution does not say that if you broke the law, you can't have... The right to the Supreme Court. That's right. Shout out to Mississippi. But instead of Constitution over rights, don't it overrule like the state laws or anything like that? Exactly. There you go. Chico, I wanted to say to you, you know my PO officer, she watches the show. So she was like, and every time if I leave out of, if I go 50 miles outside of DC, I gotta get her permission and okay. And she was like, so I was like, I'm supposed to be going, can I go to just 85, so I was, I'm thinking she don't know what the fuck I'm talking. She said, oh yeah, I watched that show all the time. And Chico being here, she said, they be smoking that shit on that set. Don't go on that fucking set because I don't want to look on that seat. There is no smoking on that set. There's no way to smoke on that set, man. We're clean. She a nice, nice, nice, nice, fat lady though, man. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate her, yeah. But she love the show. She love the show. They say that show funny, is she? What it do for letting her come down here, let her come. And the candle smoke. Yeah, that's it, that's it. Right, I mean. But what the shit, what the shit got me a gift? Yeah, I don't know how happy niggas this is. That's the type of way you want them to party. This ain't got to be something like that. But before y'all get out of here, I got a hands man, like I went, one of the first videos I seen y'all make together, this nigga had you in the park doing dips and all that. His pull-ups are 60 years old still. Man, he's still out there doing pull-ups and 60-year dips. Like, what part, you know, as fucked up as the incarceration has been one of the things that I learned, you know, from having so many people coming in and out of my house and in out of jail throughout my life is to discipline that. It is still like, how do you get from, in your opinion, you know, how do you get the message to be conveyed, to get the discipline out here before nigga got to go to jail to learn? Right, that prevention. You know, hopefully it's by my story and others who've done these draconian sentences, man. You know what I'm saying? 34 years, 20, 40 years, out your life. This what can happen to you young motherfuckers who are out there and I love y'all. We love our young brothers and sisters, man, but I got to keep it real. I got to, you know what I'm saying? I got to say what, you know, some of them get mad at me about for saying it or whatever. I ain't trying to scare straight them with nothing but I'm telling them the truth. That shit is brutal, 34 years. I might sit here and I look, you know, pretty, you know, if a motherfucker ain't know I was locked up, they'd probably be like, no, he's just regular, like, you know what I'm saying? And I am still regular, but that shit has effects on you, man. You know what I'm saying? You can't come through 34 years of incarceration and be unscathed. You can't, you know? Just some of us are less unscathed than others, you know what I'm saying? And with, you know, God help. And of course my son and family support. I've been able to, you know, survive it. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, again, the shit, no amount of money that I made in the drug game is worth that 34 years of my life. It's just the same, man, not even close. If they say, oh man, everything you had, everything you did, take back that 34 years, give me that 34 years of my life back and fuck the hustle and pundit, give me my 34 years of life and free them back. So the young people don't really understand or know it until it happened to them. And they go through this brutal shit, man, and not just them, but your family, what they go through, what I put him through. And, you know, my mother, you know, my sisters and other family members, man, cause they hurt with me when I got this 30 years. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, they had to do that shit with you, you know what I'm saying? So it ain't just about you when you, you know, make dumb decisions. And all of us make dumb decisions sometimes. But when you got a motherfucker that's telling you that that decision you're making or get ready to make is dumb, listen to that shit, man. Listen, you know, you might think, oh man, that old mother's talking like, okay, I understand that, man, you know. For those that wanna just go ahead and, you know, I'll hear about it, you know, cause I know what it's gonna do, what's gonna happen, eventually, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, show, man, he got your back. Oh yeah, no doubt. And he told me the first time that he came, that even when you came home, he wasn't gonna give up the fight. Yeah, he wasn't gonna stop playing for the people, man. Yeah, we appreciate y'all giving us this platform, man. Just like I told him the first time, this platform is always here for, I know y'all are gonna do a lot of programs and active this work in the community. And if y'all ever need the platform to get the word out, come up here whenever y'all more welcome to do that. You too, DC. I'm gonna fuck you up. Niggas in prison watching, niggas on top, y'all. That's a, you know, to make motherfuckers laugh and shit, man, because the atmosphere in prison is always, you know, that doom and gloom shit. But when Wild and I were coming on that motherfucker TV, then Nick and then y'all up there on that, you know what I'm saying, that shit, man. That makes, you know, motherfuckers tuned in, man. So y'all just with that show alone. And I wish this could be like a, you know, on regular TV or whatever, you know, maybe in the future. But yeah, man, but to have laughter, man, and see black men, you know, black people, you know, making shit happen, man. Being entrepreneurs, being businessmen and all that shit. That shit huge, man. I appreciate your help, too, though. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. They know what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's a big part of that shit, too. I was just saying to slam that man up like, man, come on, it's a welcome. Oh my God, I'll always ask you that, man, for real. I'm like, no! Niggas, get the fuck out of here. But I want to say this to you, man, and, you know, like knowing the legend of you, prior to ever coming in contact with your son, or, you know, before anybody knew who he was, the whole city knew who you were. And, you know, you kind of develop your own mentality about who these people are based off of our environment. You know what I'm saying? Who they were, and we kind of try to liken ourselves to what we thought that you were. And I just want to say, man, I'm honored to be able to meet you in person and see how much more that it is to Tony Lord sing it than what we do coming up in the city. And I want to say to you, son, man, I don't know, you know, we didn't all been through a lot of shit, but to be able to do what you did, and for me to be able to see you doing what you did in the streets, like, when I say this man right here is not just talking. When I was a young nigga outside, he was the one that, one of the ones that we knew that was going to show up that we had to listen to when he came, if he caught us outside doing whatever it was, because he really come from the streets. And it's so difficult to toll that line that this man told Slim. Like, to be in that environment and come from out of the environment, not succumb to it, but not be so separated from it that we're not willing to hear what it is that you say. Man, the fact that you fought so long to get this man home, Slim, and you made it happen, I salute you, man. I thank you guys for coming to my city. Man, it's just, it's just spectacular. Black man to black man, bro. What's up? What's up? What's up? Anytime, you know, whatever the lady name is, you can give us her number. We'll call her and be like, we got some fruit down here for you. We got to get you to come back down here and get something. We're starting to hunt for it. We got to do whatever we need to do, man. We got to get him. We got to set her some, some merch or something, man. So you can use that as like, hey man, I see you with the shirt on, you know what I mean? Try and go to the go-go thing. I got to, I got to ask you. Slim, now that you, you know, it's hard for me now. We got to get you back as I got so many. We all, I'm sure, have so many questions that we ain't get to ask this time, but coming out to city, Slim, who number one for you? Go-go back. What is it? Black y'all? I was telling you that. Black ollie? Yeah, black ollie. What do you mean by that? But instance, what was the instance? I knew it. I knew it. Dude, you know what time it is. Yeah, I was telling you. You know. Yeah, that was, that was my mama's favorite, go-go song, man, so, you know. Yeah, instance, man. And I haven't gotten to the end since I been home. I got to, you know, I haven't been seeing where they been at enough and so, you know, if anything, but it's been back y'all or the black y'all, them the main ones. You got to take them to see essence, man. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. I'm gonna probably lose this, man, you start doing dances from the head. Rock and shit. Rock and shit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They been doing the whole motherfucking here on that business. He was like, pop, slow down, I'm back. Rock and shit. All I needed was my shit. It's all the way, man. Yeah, man. This is an honor, man. This is what it's been for. Right here, this is one of the new ones, man. It's all in the pleasure for y'all to come through here and catch us up on the story, man. Yeah. 85 South Show. Tony Louis Sinha. Tony Louis Junior. Yeah, it's all right. We out of here, man. All right, it's all right. It's all right. Yeah, that's your next story. That shit was hard. Yeah. I need that in me, man. We appreciate that one. We got to produce it. We got to be a part of it. All the way. Know that. Let's get a photo of it. I'm all ready. I'm all ready.