 Hi, welcome back. It's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa. We're moving away from politics, democracy, nation building and all of that. We're moving on to security and of course real transportation, if you may. Well, I'm present. I have attacked a Kaduna-bound train carrying hundreds of passengers. The train which left Abuja at about six p.m. was attacked between country and the region. Now, the Kaduna stayed up and confirmed the attack but said it was successfully repaired. One of the passengers aboard the train, Anas Iroh Danmousa, took to Facebook to solicit for prayers for those in the train. He said the young persons planted explosives on the rail which damaged the train's engine. Joining us this time around to discuss this, we have a security expert, Yahooza Getso and we hope to get at the end of the railway cooperation in order to give us more insight on what exactly happened. But we'll just look at the security angles right now with Yahooza. Many thanks for joining us on the breakfast and plus TV Africa, Yahooza. Good morning. Thank you. Good morning, viewers. Yes, it is our pleasure to have you. Yahooza, I'm trying to get an understanding of what's really going on in Kaduna state right now. For quite some time, Kaduna has been Indonesia not for, you know, for some chairing news but basically for issues of security concerns. And yesterday, just yesterday, we were, you know, just surprised, not exactly surprised because it has happened before, but we were alarmed when we, you know, had a report about the train being attacked in the wake of an attack that happened at the airport just two days before. What exactly is really happening in Kaduna state security-wise? What has the government failed to see really? Yahooza. Well, good morning once again. Actually, it's been a kind of a big embarrassment and very disheartening and kind of really discouraging issues around leadership, issues around who are these bandits? What is the aim? What is the objective? What is the motive? I console and sympathize with those who affected the victims. And I condol Kaduna state, Nigeria, and especially the families of those who lost their life. That is the 11th person that has been confirmed recently. And we hope and pray that those in captivity will be negotiated and released or the effort of the forest marshal and the government security forces will do everything needful to ensure that they are first struck and brought out from their captivity. What has been going on in Kaduna state is really saddened. It's really sad, disheartening. Nigerian government under Buhari's watch, as I have been saying, have kind of a budgeted release spent highest amount of money as far as security is concerned since Nigeria's independence. But so sad, fortunately and unfortunately, because of the situation we find ourselves whereby the issues around recruitment of personnel, the issues around lack of synergy between the security outfits, the issues of kind of confrontational use of competitive situation or competitive arrangements between the security agencies have made it very difficult for us to achieve anything. We really believe and agree that government personnel are doing all the best they can, even though, as I have been arguing, they are hand carved because they don't have adequate equipment, they don't have modern gadgets, they don't have the number of personnel is really not up to or up to 18% of the total required need to face the challenges that the country is facing. Most of the arms and ammunitions as well as the gadgets are outdated. So we wonder and we find it very difficult to understand why some people are sabotaging the effort of the government because really this has two things need to be looked into. One, there is sabotage. Two, there is negligence. And then three, there are issues around kind of monitoring, tracking and supervising the security formations as well as the issues around the feedback mechanism. Sometimes back about couple of months, this same trend line was attacked at night and in the early hours. And those around those communities where yesterday's attack happened, it has been a notorious communities, though I have been saying that there are a number of online communities that are prone to be security threats to anybody if any cometer is using a kind of road or using the train. Because those villages like Akiliwu, Gada Malamomal, Audubonja, Kateri, Jirei, among others are really, really terrible hideouts for these criminals. And we have been talking about it. Of course, our intelligence have been very weak and we have not been really mobilizing or utilizing the available information, intelligence information that we have been voluntarily sharing. Because as far as I'm concerned, I alone, beside other professional and expert on security, intelligence and investigation, I know, we have been providing free services and providing information that could have been utilized in dealing with this situation decisively. Of course, the political administration, that is a communist government, have been listening and have been really in consultation with us, especially with me in respect to the situation around the state and they have been utilizing. And what we have is the responsibility for us to speak and for us to provide the information. If I may interject, sorry about that. I really want to find out, from your preliminary investigation so far, from what happened yesterday, what can you really tell us exactly? What went wrong? What are the feedbacks that you are getting right now? Well, from the feedback that I have gotten from the government and some of the personnel of the Nigeria Railroad Corporation, even though it is kind of an informal information, what I really, what I've got to know is the criminals detonated bombs and they were shouting Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar, according to the information I have from the informal, informally, because I have not gotten it from the formal either from the government or from the Nigeria Railroad Corporation, but Reza from about a few people that were in the train and some of the relatives of other people that, yes, they had the explosion, the bomb or the explosive exploded. And after exploding, then they started receiving shooting sporadically. Someone was the former deputy governor of Zampara State who was also shot at his leg. So everybody was running shelter, before they started to quickly, some of those people that have contact with the authority, quickly notified the government and, you know, like, you know, I have been criticizing the security leaders, especially the Army generals, the commissioners of police, the AIGs, the DIGs that comes to rollers of custom immigration and other security outfits that they have been kind of competing with nail quarters at the train stations in order to obtain tickets to either go to Kaduna from Abuja or from Abuja or from Kaduna to come to Abuja, which is not supposed to, because if at all they did their work, if at all they have passion, they are patriotic going by the inputs made by the Bahá'í administration in terms of resources, in terms of financial resources and human resources and available, providing available enabling environment for them to operate. They wouldn't have been struggling with nail quarters, how can you see a general, a whole major general, a whole commissioner of police, a whole inspector general, deputy inspector general of police, sometimes even the inspector of general of police himself cannot even fly the Kaduna Abuja route, less than 200 kilometers. This is really a sample act and it is really saddened, even our governance, the governance of Northwestern states and the governance of almost all the states of the federation that are crossing Abuja to Kaduna, they cannot fly the road, which is less than 200 kilometers. So masses and common man have been left at the mercy of the criminals and they kidnap them and they ask them to sell out whatever they have in order to pay ransom. So government should sit to its responsibility and I have been warning the government and I repeat myself, this activity of this bandage and criminal just before we introduce our second guest briefly who joins the conversation. There's been a lot of denial as at the time this information broke. I mean the news making the rounds late hours of yesterday, there's a lot of denial. Some people have tagged this as fake news and this is the same thing that happened with the Kaduna attack. So why are people, I mean there's a lot of people saying this is wrong, nothing happened, the fact that people are denying and you still have some people who have spoken, you know, immediately who have sent a distress call from that train. So why do we have all of this mixed reaction? Some people saying that this never happened, there was never an attack. People don't have confidence on the authority and it exposes the inability of the authority in most cases to kind of provide the actual factual information. You know, like Mohammed had been, the Minister of Information has been saying that they know who are the sponsors of this criminals. Attorney General and Minister of Justice Abed mentioned this, a lot of issues, conflicting issues between Nigerian Army and Nigerian Air Force and National Security Advisor as well as other security outfits and some of the governance and their lieutenants. So it is, as a result of this, a kind of, we have politicized the issue of security. That is why sometimes those who are pro-government always try to quickly deny and kind of send a signal that no, it didn't happen because they don't want the reality to come out, they don't want people to know them. All right, we quickly need to bring in the railway corporation. Let's get their own side of the story and we'll try and talk to you in a bit again so we can just wrap up. But we have joining us right now President of the Railway Union, Workers Union, Innocent, Ajee. He's joining us via phone. Good morning to you, Innocent. Ajee, thanks for joining us on the breakfast. Oh, good morning. Thank you very much for having me. Can you exactly, can you tell us exactly what happened yesterday with the train, the Kaduna Abuja train and what is the situation right now as we speak? Okay, thank you very much. Though I have not been to the scene, but I can rightly confirm to you that our train was under attack yesterday, precisely around 8 p.m. You see, this is not the first time this has happened. It has happened last year, but luckily the train won't manage to escape from the scene of attack. But unfortunately this we pulled this time around when we gathered momentum and strategies and now blasted the whole main line that covers almost 500 meters. So when the train got there at night, the whole train derailed, bringing the train to a stop because once the train derailed, there's just nothing the driver can do. So that now brought the train to a stop according to the information I received from those that are still right there at the scene of the event. So that they did attack us, now first the doors of the train opened, kidnapped some people and then they killed some people. So the number of those that were killed is yet to be ascertained by me and then the number of people did not are yet to be ascertained because as at the time I spoke with them, the soldiers were there, the police were there, the Red Cross Society were there, and they are trying to evoke the dead bodies and leaving the injured to the hospital. All right, very good. Very good. We are almost out of time, but I just want to find out what exactly has been done or was missed. You said that this is not the first time. We're all aware of that when it happened last year and it happened again yesterday. One would have thought that active measures would have been put in place to ensure that things like this do not happen. As a union now, as a workers union now, were you in consultation with maybe the railway corporation and did you have talks and security as per when that happened last year and before now? So what are the conversations that you've had over time? Yes, very good. God bless you. God bless you. After that time, we even threatened to stop the train from running at night because we advised that if security can not be adequate at night, the train shouldn't move at night because last time it was in the night. About the same time and this time around it's about the same time. So we have advised and the management already actually beat up security on the train. So it's like the black guys or the bandit are aware of the number of security on the train and how to attack. That is why the workers have been trying to attack the train, meting the security on the train tower. So that is the situation. We have been fighting and we have been advising them with that number. But at times the information is not good. Thank you, Innocent. I'm afraid I'm really sorry that we can't really take much of from you right now because of time. But we must say a very big thank you to you, Innocent Gigi of the Railway Corporation workers and of course who's a get-so-security expert who also joined us. Thank you so much gentlemen for your thoughts this morning. We do appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's been a great pleasure. And as a size of our conversation, if you missed out on any part of it, it's okay to follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and do subscribe to our YouTube channel. It's the Plus TV Africa and Plus TV Africa lifestyle. Many thanks for watching. I am a simple boy. And I'm Justin Akadene. Thanks for being a part of the show. Stand by for the news brief which comes up momentarily. Stay with us.