 Welcome once again to the breakfast on plus TV Africa first major conversation this morning is a talk in politics once again And the discussion is mostly about the build up to 2023's general elections The of course conversations across the country are who eventually takes over power Or retains office in 2023 The opposition parties of course have started their own plotting and started their own calculations and permutations And that of course includes the major opposition party the People's Democratic Party and the smaller ones across the country There's also likely going to be Independent candidates, you know who show up every now and then But the question really is with the People's Democratic Party Have they done well enough to convince Nigerians that they are an option and that's you know Most of the conversation we're having this morning with Mr. Punabo in court area as a former adviser to the River State government Mr. Ingo Tyra. Good morning. Thanks for joining us Good to have you on the program So so let's start with your response to that question Do you think that the PDP has done enough worked hard enough has placed and positioned itself well enough as an Opposition party or have they simply just existed in the last seven years What the ACC is being as an opposition party preceding the 20th in general election And I think that is because the PDP also lacks the understanding of what it means to be in the position So, yeah, there are Stuck at two attacks as long as in a while and most times the attacks are not Attacks that are not in most cases issue base When they talk of a position party of a shadow government Like you have in the United Kingdom where you have for example, you have the Minister for Petroleum You also have in your position the Minister for Petroleum shadow Minister for Petroleum That will take on every issue that has to do with Petroleum in the country And that's what you made my co-position But I think we have a lot of understanding of what the position means in this country Most of those in the position of those in government Personalities rather than addressing issues and that is because of the caliber of people that have a Sedentary they have been accidentally disturbed on the front door shopping. They laugh. For example, now if I say our son program on Let's say Economy or whatever Or so That is why he's criticizing me. Yes Opposition is all about the position has nothing to do with the individual Issues and you can see I'm not a member of it. I'm not a member of it. I used to be a member of the city I have never ever been a member of it. It's never ever Conviction and based on my session. So in synopsis the issue of a position in this part of the world Understanding, I think it's misplaced the issues in this part of the world Individuals and that is not what we call the position So so now let's begin to look at all of that because however It's also believed that political opposition parties have a role to play in every in end democracy as a matter of fact They are component of democracy So what could be the reason why the PDP like you have mentioned have not lived up to expectation Now some people are arguing that It's because of the lack of ideology of political parties, but what did the APC do differently in 2011 and 2015? I mean, we saw the president protesting against, you know, the failed subsidy removal including the pump price He had its political engineers and supporters at the time on the streets and we saw that political campaigns from the APC at that time That smeared, you know, the activities or the some of the policies of the people's Democratic Party So could it be that the lack of ideology by political parties the reason why the That's the PDP has not performed very well in terms of the role of an opposition in this the, you know, current dispensation Well Political parties in this country have no, they don't have ideologies That's not the lack of ideology What is lack of ideology? You cannot have an APC member cross-captain to the PDP or a PDP member cross-captain to the PDP They don't have to do with egocentric ambition Not necessary. If anybody tells you he's going into office For he's going to be there in the image of Nigeria, don't be duly dead my guess is that I mean that is a far cry for me A lot of politicians go in there to peddle or like their pocket not in the image of Nigeria So it has that I wonder, when you're going to Nigeria, you are Majority of the APC members today, we are members of the PDP You vote for a party and not an individual In Nigeria, we vote for individuals and not act But to the individual, that is the constitution of the country Not the constitution, change this political activation 95% of Nigeria, it's not 100% And as I said, my God for everybody, just criticize in most cases We criticize for public views to give me contracts We criticize, we have to castigate it That is what is going on in this country Not ideology, please, it's not like a little base So we should not deceive ourselves talking of ideology Well, I want to focus a little bit more on what the PDP could have done Every now and then, you see a statement, press statement from Kolao Lugudian You know, of course Dupamah Nagar for Secretary Yeah, exactly, sharing his thoughts on, well, representing the party and speaking on behalf of the party And condemning actions of the APC in one direction or the other Do you think that is enough, you know, as an opposition party? Or what more would you have expected that they should be able to do? I'll also quickly mention in the last 48 hours The conversation on social media has been large, mostly because of the on banning of Twitter in Nigeria by the current administration But there's also something that has been noticed There's a lot of fake accounts that were also opened Loads of them, of course, seeming to be Set up, you know, to support or to push out the narratives from the current administration That is some work that the current administration is doing And if you remember also in the bill to the elections in 2014-2015 They also had a lot of social media engineering They sponsored, you know, persons, you know, to handle propaganda They sponsored a lot of people to handle whatever narrative That they wanted to push out across social media And those are some of the things that helped them also So once again, are statements from the PDP press statements From the PDP enough as an opposition party Do they not understand what it means And the amount of work that needs to be done In order to fuel the hearts and minds of Nigerians And let them know that they are still alive Well, I'm talking about press statements First, let us contextualize this Government of good luck and very much a matter The government that was, when compared to that of Jira and Mohammad Dupre, who is draconian, it shows criticism The future there with the pandemic Those that criticize, who stayed at work in protests They did that without any interference Government in office that is inferior to criticism That cannot prove criticism And press statements with new systems Such as the Minister for Information Life Movement Who has grown in this repudiation within six years in office It is gross to Nigerians and to Nigerians I can say that what you talk about is an international station And certain things are not supposed to be said on air To the country, to Nigerians as a whole Who is also the former national publicity secretary And for what it is there from the beginning And for what it is there, yes What it is there and what it is called So whose name you just mentioned What is the situation where they will be arrested and deported How come said this, it's not about the deterrence To your support I think that does not do much When compared to what the ATC did while in the opposition Then if you talk of just press releases and so on No, it is an issue press releases Is that Incotara So I just want to chip this in Did they not do much because they are a party That functions differently from the way the APC functions They are a party that maybe understands the rule of law Understands the constitution and understands rights And some of all those things Very different from the way that the APC functions Is that possibly why they didn't take the same routes That the APC took in 2014-2015 I don't think, I don't think, I don't think The next man that will probably appear on your program Will definitely want to show that Because you just giving him food for thought He's going to tell you He's doing what they are doing because They respect the constitution and I do this What is the rule of law What do you mean by the constitution They bring myself Any constitution, because Any form of prison And of course they start Any form of dissent You know, this is a government that sees What is happening behind every dispensable wall I mean, I'm not going to mean to talk about that But in my view to Bill What they have is guilty That is a dictatorship We have a sentence of justice One is found, the other is out This is a legal position And you should be prepared for So what, because he asks What do you think that they fail the doing I mean the People's Democratic Party Like you have mentioned I tell you this, I tell you this I tell you for example Now I tell you this So it's a protest Even worse than the general government That is what the PDT lacks Lemons What the PDT is doing They are not communicating as they are You know, the national General of the party You can check on them Okay, so let's also You know get to the opposition And their representation at the legislative level Now you also want to agree with me That there's been a lot of outcry That the Ninth Assembly Is a rubber stamp I'd like to share your thoughts on You know the performance How would you rate the performance Of the People's Democratic Party At the, you know, lawmaking level The PDT or the DPC The President, President, President The PDT, President I'm talking about the PDP now Wouldn't that be enough? No, no, no We're talking about, you know The at the lawmaking level now Their representation The opposition adds the representation I mean, legislating Well, you have few persons That you can get credit for Just a few of them A handful of them A handful of them have an opportunity To travel the world But the issues On day to day basis Elementary procedures How many do you find on the floor of the house? Ms. Angotara We're, of course, taking steps So, if you don't know the performance You have to believe that That's the end of it That's the end of it Ms. Angotara, as we take steps Closer to the 2023 elections Is it, does it feel, in any way Like the PDP is simply Expecting Nigerians to Out of disappointment In the APC Vote them in Or do you think that they have worked hard enough Or they are working hard enough To convince Nigerians That they are a better option As an opportunist That's a good question That's a good question What's the difference between the APC and PDP? That's not the difference Oh, they have some, you know, difference in their In their party manifesto Party manifesto in ideologies They are no different The only difference is in the nomenclature No difference I mean, to be fair Ms. Angotara Yeah, to be fair Yeah, go ahead But if this Will tell you hope for Mr. A Hopefully or secretly I mean, the party It has to do with an individual Let yourself deceive out, sir Don't hope for that same candidate So why then do we have, you know The dominance of the APC and the PDP Because now in the 2023 elections Will be here in no time And you will also have different political parties I mean Putting out their candidates out there And contesting this election And so when it comes to the role of the opposition Should we be limited, you know To a particular party Like the People's Democratic Party No, that's not what I'm trying to say We have one interpretation Of what the position means You know, in this part of the world That immediately wants to criticize The government as being a member of the position Like I can tell that person And this one is presiding PDP The other side is not a member of the position You know, branded Because we have a case like the least laws And no matter what have been made You must make the most understanding And the problem we have Other than the same person That by positions of authority You cannot be quick what you don't have This is that it really has nothing In most of them Ma, the position of the government in office But here, because you're branded And any much want to be seen We can remember That as someone that just criticized the government In power Have been talking This may be the most common Everybody has said it Where this government on a part of the position is that Once you criticize the government You must not see anything good in a particular company Those interpretations of what the position of me is In this country Have I been talking People have been talking Have been talking Is that not the position? Well, Mr. Angutare If you of course We're going to be sharing ideas On how your position generally Not just the PDP now Can You know, become more vocal Or take bigger steps Towards finding a way To get themselves into power in 2023 And I'm talking regardless of the political party now What more would you have Would you ask that they do? When you say opposition, you are saying Are you limiting it? Restricting it to PDP? Not just the PDP Opposition in Nigeria Anybody who might be interested in that position That's okay Okay, very good Now, I will enjoy Nigeria Notwithstanding the political party And individuality Notwithstanding Look at me A man on the OCC platform Has a lot of pleasure That can go to a man on the OCC platform Or don't give a damn about the party That's my fault But that hasn't really put But that hasn't really been Very Fantastic for some people Because some people Some people actually in 2015 Voted an individual And we're talking about President Mohammed Buhari But there's no way you're going to Separate the individual As much as they can be Very fantastic from the party element Because already You know that political parties Come together And as an instrument To contest where we are And control it So there would always be An influence and the ideology Of the parties being reflected Excuse me Mercy In the sense If you just read the salient form In 2015 A lot of people voted for ATC Because of who Buhari Not necessarily the ATC I still think the voting And the individual I disagree The individual that they Neglect That is not We're all different Of what has happened to President of that We are all different I will not open it to them Absolutely I will not open Nigeria I will not fill it to them It is different We shall still do that If they have the parts Fill it to Nigeria from this point All right Opponabo Inkotarium Always interesting speaking with you Thank you very much for joining us this morning And we wish you a very beautiful day ahead And a great weekend Thank you Thank you Absolutely All right away from politics We're going to move away from politics And go to sports While Scott will be joining us After the short break To talk about AFKON It seems that there is some controversy That has been brewing since it started We'll talk about it when we get back