 Welcome to PlusPolitics. My name is Nyam Gul Aghaji. Nigeria's two largest opposition parties have called for the cancellation of the country's presidential election over allegations that the electoral commission, INEC, did not comply with the law in the collation and announcement of the results. The PDP and LP made their positions known at a press conference attended by their vice presidential candidates Yifan and Dati Baba Ahmed of the People's Democratic Party and the Labor Party, respectively. At the press conference, the two parties also demanded that the chairman of INEC, Mahmood Yakubu, must step aside over what they described as electoral irregularities and malfeasance. INEC has since replied, saying its chairman would not resign and that any party agreed with the election process should follow the law to air its grievances. In response to that, the all-progressive Congress APC and its presidential candidate Bola Tinobu, his running mate Kashim Shetema, have filed a suit to block any move aimed at stopping the collation and announcement of the presidential election. Today, the electoral commission, INEC, declared Bola Tinobu the candidate of the Nigeria's ruling party, APC, as a winner of Saturday's presidential election. Tinobu defeated 17 other candidates who took part in the election, scoring a total of 8,794,726 votes, the highest of all the candidates, thus meeting the first constitutional requirement to be declared the winner. He also scored over 25% of votes cast in 30 states, more than the 24 states constitutionally required. Joining us to discuss this are Tunji Abdul Hamid, a member of the Quora State PDP PCC and State Campaign Council. Comrade Eragbe Anselm, also is the national youth leader of the Labour Party. And we also have Murshud Issa, media officer of Yaga Africa. Tunji is so glad to have you on the show this evening. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure to be here. Okay. Okay. I don't know whether I should say finally a presidential, a president-elect has been announced, but a lot of dust has been raised by the process and all that. Let me first of all ask you what your take on the process was leading up to the announcement of the APC presidential candidate, Bola Akwa Tinobu as the president-elect. I am highly disappointed regarding the process. The process We seem to be having some challenges there with Tunji. Okay, Tunji, go ahead. Applying with the promises. They made a lot of promises regarding the particular beefers and I couldn't see any of them. So people were raised that it went down on the last year of election. In fact, let me start from my own words. The election did not start on 11 o'clock in my word, 11 a.m. And the alarm system clock, they were threatening to close when we have thousands of people still waiting to food. So the process, I am highly disappointed in the process. It did not show enough transparency. There's no credibility as far as I'm concerned and that drops on the presidential candidate as far as I'm concerned. It happened during this process of collation, the process of voting and all that. But first of all, leading up to this, you said that our hopes were raised. One of the reasons why the hopes were raised is the fact that a document was signed in 2022 and that is the electoral act. That is the electoral act that also brought about the beefers that gave hope to the people. Would you say that the electoral act was a waste of time? Or do you say it played a significant role in this election in spite of the discrepancies that we have seen? Was there any role, important role that this electoral act played that showed us that there's something that has changed from the old ways of doing things? Specifically regarding the outcome of this election, electoral act is not a much part in terms of changing anything because the old process is what the INEC adopted, rather than the new process which everybody believed would change the narratives. People were encouraged to participate, to collect their photographs, even though the turnout was a bit low. But now, on Sunday, all the provisions in the electoral act which people believed would change the situation of change the way our managers have been though, they were not followed, they were totally ignored by INEC. All the issues regarding what they would do and how they would send it to cyber, all that drama, all that escalation before the election, they were being given trust, all that denial by the INEC chairman because I remember one people were saying there's a plan by INEC to get changed the use of beefers and IREF. He came out and denied it publicly. What do we see today? He didn't follow it. The judiciary is completely, he didn't even do anything with it. So I think the hope by the people, by the youth that we are going to a stage where the vote will count, I think it's been eroded by this process. The process was not transparent at all. It's not about because Ashwajibon mentioned which from the APC won the election. If it's free and fair, you know what I'm saying something is free and fair. It's not about only what you say. If people will see it as free and fair, you can see the mood of it in the state. But not people that there's not much celebration in the state regarding the outcome of it. So it shows that it is not reflecting the wishes of the people. And as far as I'm concerned, I blame INEC for this. INEC, if they show clearly, in other words, that there is agitate that show clearly that they are being compromised. Whenever we're talking, especially after the collation and announcement of this result or during the process of collation, the uproar was much. It's still there. People are protesting, especially the PDP and the Labor Party. And you've just said that the Electoral Act did not do much to change from the old ways to new ways that all of us were hoping will be the order of the day. But my question is, before this, we had some kind of signs that these Electoral Act may not be followed. And if there's any attempt to follow it, maybe from some quarters, maybe from the judiciary or from the players in the political space, they will try to scuttle this or they will do what we do not expect them to do. And the parties, like your party, did not cry as much as they're crying now. It seems as if they were waiting for this to happen before they start to cry, as it is. I give you an instance. So many people have said that in the case of Uber, for instance, where the Senate president is from, the Electoral Act was jettisoned for something else, and that is why he was able to emerge. We also have the case in Acquibam State, where the former governor, Coswin Acquibam, imaged the senatorial candidate in means that a lot of people were not comfortable with. But there was no cry that if this is happening now, it may happen in the general election. Why were the people silent? Why was PDP silent when all these things were happening, even though it was not in their party? That is not fair, because it is, and it's not correct that people were silent when those things were happening. There was a lot of noise regarding those issues. There are so many complaints, so many protests regarding the issue of the president, what's it called, the Senate president and Governor Apabio. There was a lot of protests. There were a lot of issues. The issue is beyond this time around. In those cases, I will not blame Aine Kindergarten, and that's why people did not put that. It's about the court, and I'm not blaming the court as well. It's about the court not applying the proper procedure or proper law, not following the law. The issue we're having here, what we have in this presidential election, it's not about anybody, it's about Aine Kindergarten. That's what you have mentioned, and it has nothing to do with Aine Kindergarten at that stage. It was the court that later validated the illegality perpetrated in courts, in my own opinion, by the European and the archival. It was the court, so you won't blame Aine Kindergarten. Even despite that, people still complain that we have electoral acts, we say we don't participate in primary, or if a candidate is not that, or withdrew from the race, you can't move in. Unfortunately, Aine Kindergarten has no power to reject any candidates, so the court is supposed to right the wrong. They decided not to do that, rather they went on technicality and then throw away the good work of the electorate. We have good intention by those who made the law, some of these, even though there are loopholes here. I remember when the electorate was made, I was one of those who raised an issue, for the time that Aine Kindergarten Section 66, Section 5, which gives Aine, the discretion to determine the mode of transmission. I said, by this section, you are giving them opportunity to do Magomago whenever they want to do it. Why not make it clear, the mode of transmission, even though we are told that look, the Aine Kindergarten has the power to make a regulation, Section 148 of the electorate is there, Section 161 of the Constitution also gave them the power to make a regulation. They made these regulations, they did not follow each. In other words, they made a law, I'm afraid to follow that law, because I know some people argue that regulation is not law, it's law. There are different types of law that we have, we have primary law, we have secondary law. These regulations are secondary, they are called delegated legislation, and they are law, so they are supposed to be followed. The Aine Jettitionate completely, he was deliberate, and you see, my problem is that when issue arises and people raise those questions at that time, they will come up and say, it's not like that, it's not, and people will give them benefit of doubts, but now we are seeing people raise issue regarding Aine trying to Jettition by Bifas and IREF, and the chairman of the Aine came up and do a conference and said, there is no attempt to do that. What did he do today? He didn't follow it, so I thought I'm concerned, I don't have confidence and trust in our Aine Chairman again. The Aine Chairman is compromised, I thought I'm concerned. That's my position. This election, he thought, no matter how good the election is, if at all, there is no credibility in it, there is no fairness in it, it is the worst election I've ever seen in my life in this country. Okay, but you just said that there was uproar when those things were happening and people were getting tickets and Jettisoning what was provided for in the Electoral Act and it ended at the table of the Supreme Court and other courts, and whatever the problem here is, it will still go to the same courts. So if the uproar before now did not end in the way that you thought it's going to end, do you have any confidence that this one will be any better than what you clamored for earlier? So we did not go to court before the Aine Chairman, if it's sincere, can rise out those runs. You made a promise that, look, this is the revelation, this is the way a manna is ought to be announced, this is the way a manna, that they're pulling it after the election. It's going to be a play that's all gone down. And they were asking questions regarding that. They were saying they hope to have done it at the local level. At the local level, they were also saying, no, you can't do it yet. Are you saying, I think it's assumed to be the Supreme Court here. So if the issue is not raised at the lower court, you can raise it at the Supreme Court and you will have to look into it because it's part of the issue. They refuse to do that. If the Supreme Court was drawn to it, because he has his mind made up as to what he wanted to do. I saw he was excited to go ahead with this and he's aware that in Nigeria, once a matter is concluded, but it's not an official election and it's taken to court, it is clear that it will be difficult for anybody to turn it down. So that's what they want to put places into. They know our system in Nigeria, that our court is not reliable in terms of, we do respect, it's not reliable in terms of respecting justice because judgment in this in Nigeria is being given. There's no sentiment. This is not law. I'm concerned, I'm a lawyer. I know I will do respect. I don't have a apology for it. Some of the time when they beat the judges, I'm not saying that there are no good judges. I'm not saying there are no good people in our judiciary. I'm not saying we don't have clean judges. I don't have funny judges. But I'm saying, all of the people that have been asked to undo all of these electoral political matters, some of them, most of them, they have been compromised. They are compromised and don't follow the law. They are there. They follow interest and they follow sentiment in some way. They are there and look at the issue. They'll now look for one technicality or the other to throw it away. And the chairman of Nigeria is aware that when this matter gets to court, it will be difficult for them to review out of it. So let me just conclude the process. Go and find it out. I know you're not going to get it done. It is not fair for us. We can correct, you can wrong, you can right it wrong. What is the reason why they were not uploaded? The reason is that some of the results were being changed. In my set, it happened. I'm telling you, we have some of the results that have been cancelled, that have been written. We have some areas that are over 40. And they did clearly results. So they will say, go to court. So go to court, as far as I'm concerned, is an attempt to say, just go and we have done our own. This is what we want to achieve or have achieved. Go and set yourself as well. We can grow in that manner in this country. We can grow. Let's do the right thing at the right time. Not, not, not, let's push ourselves, not push responsibility for that person. In the chairman now puts his, puts his responsibility to court. The one, when he has failed is his own responsibility. As far as I'm concerned, the in the chairman did not do well at all. In fact, this is the worst election I've ever seen in my, in my, in my life. I have been 40 for years and this is the worst one. In fact, as far as I'm concerned. We'll come back to you, but we're being joined by Mosud Issa, the media officer of of Iyaga Africa. Mosheud, welcome to the program. Thank you very much. Okay, Iyaga Africa has been making us proud, especially in the off-circle elections in Iquiti and Oshun. We were so glad that technology has come to stay in our electoral system. But in the last election, we didn't seem to get much from Iyaga Africa. And now, people are complaining about INEC and the way the results were transmitted and all that. But you were there in your situation room as well in Iyaga Africa. You knew what was going on. Explain to us why the things that happened happened. If there is something to bladder in our hearts or there is not. What really went on? Thank you very much. The electoral law actually guaranteed that INEC can actually deploy technology for accreditation. It also gave INEC the opportunity to actually use any technology that didn't fit to transmit results. We've seen how this actually worked out in Iquiti and Oshun. The beavers functioned in at least 92% of poll units in Oshun and Iquiti. In the many 8%, it malfunctioned, but it was fixed. And the situation with the 2019 election came with high expectations. Nigeria has expected a whole lot from the commission because the commission actually promised a whole lot. As regards functionality of the beavers, we could command INEC for deploying beavers across all 176,000 poll units. But the situation is where the beavers malfunctioned and it was not fixed. Unfortunately, in some locations, people resort to manual accreditation 1. And then another challenge is the fact that the commission had promised that it will upload election results to what is called the INEC Resort Viewing Potter. For the purpose of transparency, as at 10 o'clock, 10pm on election day, there are no results on the Potter. Why results were still being collated at various levels? So the concerns around transparency and why results were not uploaded on the Potter were actually valid concerns. Because it's an opportunity for people to compare results that are being announced to results that were uploaded on the Potter. As we speak at 4pm this afternoon, only 77% of the results have been uploaded so far. That is up to 4 or 5 days after the elections. So this brings around a question around transparency of the process. So again, I think at this level, on this level, I make actually full shot of expectations of Nigeria because they promised that Nigeria should be able to access poll unit results in real time. This question, these are challenges around electoral technology and this may not cast doubts in the minds of Nigerians that you promised that results would be uploaded on the Potter for people to access poll unit results. But then these results were not actually uploaded in real time. Then, of course, the question around perennial logistics challenges has been rethought. We had overcomings from what we had observed in Nikitian Nation where poll unit officials arrived on time in Nikitian Nation. But unfortunately, only 26% of poll units had opened as at 7.30. And only 41% of poll units have commenced accreditation as at 9.30. So this led to some kind of agitation and frustration that some people decided were frustrated and went and could not vote. There are some locations where elections have to go to the next day. So this led to some level of voter suppression and disenfranchisement. So in this case, on this regard with logistics and transparency in the area of technology, I think I make actually full shot of expectations. Okay. How did it affect your organization, for instance? Because a lot of people didn't even care about INAG portal. They were concerned about what Yaga, an independent body, will be uploading to the portal for people to see because we needed to see these results real time. How much did these feelings of INAG, these perceived feelings of INAG affect your organization in what you were supposed to do for the 2023 elections? Yes. So INAG, Yaga, Africa are planning to deploy what we call the Election Results Analysis Dashboard in Iran. And it's basically feed from the Result vim portal. The idea is to download results that are being uploaded on the portal and project it real time to the public. We know that not the entire engineers will be able to access the portal. So the essence is to download all the results and then project to the media to tell them locations where results have been uploaded, which political party is leading the near return for people to actually access this result. But like I said, as at 10 p.m. on election day, there were no results on the portal. This impacted on the fact that our plans to actually project results to Nigeria in real time was actually impacted on our plans to actually project results in real time to Nigeria. And this despite consistent promise by the commission that results will be uploaded in real time and Nigerians will have access to these results. And the essence is the fact that it is even expected that presiding officers, before they get to the world coalition centers, they will have uploaded the results. Even the world coalition officer will have probably seen the results and been able to compare to what they are being presented to him. But unfortunately it wasn't the case. And this actually casts doubt in people's mind. So I actually think this is actually another missed opportunity for INAG to actually boost citizens confidence in the process because of the competitiveness of the elections and Nigerians actually expected so much from this election. And again there are locations where we notice that although we have deployed observers to sample polling units across Nigeria and there are locations where we notice that the results observers sent to us directly from the polling unit is in contrast with what INAG eventually announced. That in two states, that is reverse state and emo state. The result we got from our observers who are deployed to the polling unit was a sharp contrast with the entire result that I've been announced. This is specifically for reverse state and emo states. Okay, but I just wanted to ask and you've said something a little bit about that. As an independent body, before I go back to Tunji who is also waiting here, the results that you have seen so far and the complaints that people are making, how these results were not just emo and reverse state. How much can you vouch for the results that came from any other state for that matter to you? People are saying that some discrepancies, some polling units had XYZ votes for a particular party. The ones that are uploaded are different and all that and all that. So many things are coming. What is your experience being like regarding these figures that are coming from the polling units and the ones that are on the portal? Some people even said that the results from some states were exactly the same, a thing that cannot be because the coincidence is too much. Whatever is for the presidential is the same one for the House of Assembly. I think Iochai Yu, the PDP chairman said something like that. We've also seen on the internet where some people tried to access, like the one who tried to access results from a kitty, I do a kitty precisely, and what was presented there was not the results sheet, it was the picture of maybe the ad hoc staff that did the job in a do a kitty. And so many other things that are being said. I'd like you to either confirm or deny that these things actually happened in your experience from the reports that you have seen so far. I'm talking to Mushud right now before I go back to Tunji. Hello Mushud, we don't seem to have Mushud there. Okay, Tunji you are still there. I hope you can hear me. I can hear you. Okay, very good. You are a lawyer and the provisions of the electoral act, we did see where it said the accreditation shall be done by, with the beavers. The uploading of the results from the polling units shall be done by, with the beavers through the method that will be decided by INEC. Does that not give them a free hand to do what they want to do, what they deem fit to do at a particular time? Would you say as a lawyer that that tells them that they must do it or they have options to do what they think is necessary at that time? Yeah, I say later on that by section CCS-05, the INEC has the power, has the discretion to determine how the result will be transmitted electronically. But the INEC, and by section 148 as well of the electoral acts, the INEC has the power to make it through some regulations. In this regard, before the election, INEC made regulations. And in the regulation, they said it would be transmitted fear to the beavers to try the power. So that regulation is also law. And the INEC refused to follow that process. And that's why I say there is no transparency in the manner and the INEC carries out their responsibility in terms of transmission of results. So I think INEC has done a lot to go against the electoral acts and its own regulation. So the law gave them the power, they gave them the discretion. But that discretion and that power were not used the way it might have to be used. Section 16-05 gave them discretion. Section 148 gave them the power to make rules and regulations. Section 162-01 of the constitution also gave them the power to make rules and regulations. We tried to recall the proceedings. And in their own regulation, in their own article 238 of the regulation, they said this is how we are going to transmit results through protest. We did not see that. And people, and questions were being asked by Dino Melahi at the Politian Center. He said, no, he will not answer that. I will not listen to that. They should go to the courts. So by implication, by implication, what I just want to understand, by implication, they are not really breaking the law by not uploading it directly from the polling units. Is that what you're saying? They are. They are. That's what I said. They are. They are breaking the law. Like I said, the law said they have the discretion to determine how to be transmitted. And they also have the power to make regulations. And that regulation, as far as I'm concerned, is law. It may not be. We have a primary law. We have a secondary law. That's a secondary law. It's what we call subsidiary legislation. If you are a surrogate, why you're a secondary school, you know what they call subsidiary legislation or what they call delegated legislation. So that regulation is a law on its own. And so since they made that regulation, they are bound to follow it. And that's why when you look at the constitution, you can challenge elections by saying the elections are not followed. The constitution is not followed. All the regulations of the INEC are not followed. The regulation you're talking about now is words of mouth that maybe in a press conference or in response to a particular query, the chairman of INEC did say that they are going to do a particular thing. No, they have a regulation. They have a guideline that are released. That was a guideline released for this election. For every election that was a guideline from INEC, how it would go, how it would be conducted. That's a guideline. That guideline is what I call regulation. And that regulation was made in line with the law. The electoral act, section 148, gave them that power to make that regulation. Constitutional section 166 of section 1 gave them that power to make that regulation. So if you are making a regulation based on the constitution of electoral act, that regulation becomes law. It becomes subsidiary legislation. So that law is that section 8 of that guideline is what was said that the result will be transmitted via quarter. And that will be displayed. That was not done. That's a foundation of the rules. Yeah, now we're on the same page. Well, Moshud, I understand you're back. Can you hear me now? Yes, I can. Before you went off briefly, I was trying to ask you to confirm or otherwise if what the complaints that the people are giving are really true. Because I'm sure you have scrutinized what is on the portal and what is coming from so many other places from the polling units, from the states, from the local governments and all that so that you don't put what is not right in Yaga Africa. Am I right? So because we've heard complaints from someone like the chairman of PDP, EHRU, saying that two particular states had the same results for the presidential election, the same figures for the National Assembly, the same figures. We've also seen where people are complaining that they opened a portal and they go to a particular state and they're seeing results from another state being transmitted in that space. We've also seen someone who was trying to access the results from particularly a doikety and instead of seeing the results sheet, what was showing was the face, a passport of someone, a photograph of someone who maybe was the ad hoc staff of INEC or a staff of INEC, wherever it is, an electoral officer. But there was a picture, a persons picture instead of the election results. So have you seen these things that people are complaining about or we are just hearing complaints that are not verifiable? So first is, of course, I've seen the news to allow someone who uploaded his selfie to the results during the portal. Again, these questions are the training received by this staff and the level of seriousness put into this ad hoc staff and on how important this election is. As regards if two states have similar results, I have not had the opportunity to scrutinize all those results. Again, like I said, results did not come in real time as promised by the commission. But again, we said one of the principles of justice is that justice should not just be served, what should be seen as being served. The question we should ask, do Nigeria, after this election, do Nigerians now have more confidence in our electoral process? After the efforts that civil society organizations put in to promote, to amend the electoral act, to ensure electoral reform, are we impressed with the level of transparency and credibility of this process? The essence of election is to see that people have that belief that their votes actually counted, whether their preferred candidates actually won the elections or not. So again, for the fact that there are a lot of concerns being raised about this, most of them are actually valid, like I said, because there are gaps in, first, the commencement process. First, the commencement process does allow late arrival and late commencement of polls. There are gaps in that. There are also gaps in accreditation process, where at the beaver's malfunction, and it was not fixed, people were not able to vote on that day. That may have led to voter suppression. There are also gaps in the coalition process. If you were to depend on manual coalition, then there's no point talking about the result being put out to promote transparency. There are also gaps in that. And like I had mentioned, that the results we got from our observers at the beaver's state and emerald state were actually stark difference from what is being announced. When you give people opportunity or you create doubts in people's mind regarding the credibility of the process, that actually reduces people's confidence in the process. The commission made efforts, deployed the beaver's, made promises and all that. But at the moment, people begin to have doubts in the process. We conducted ECT and we conducted OSHO. We saw the reaction, the post-election reaction afterwards. And we observed the process. We knew what we saw in ECT and we knew what we saw in OSHO. And we knew the level of irregularity we have seen in this 2023 election. But the moment it began to create doubts in people's mind, even if the irregularities in this election were not substantial enough to overturn the results, but the moment it began to create doubts in people's mind regarding the credibility and transparency of the process. Remember there was gap in anything you had promised to do. Then it brings our question around the credibility of the process. For every word in INEC guidelines for this election, none of those words or sentences or policies in that guideline is being put there for the sake of it. For every word in that guideline, for every line in the INEC guideline, is to promote some level of credibility and transparency. But if for some reason you abdicate from implementing one of those guidelines that you created yourself, and we now say, oh, it doesn't matter, then it brings questions around your own credibility. If you had said you upload results on VIMPOTTA in real time for people to access it, and for some reason you don't say, oh, ADIAN people can go to court. The purpose for electoral reform, for electoral amendment, is to reduce the role of our courts, is to reduce the role of judiciary in the electoral process. The judiciary do not conduct elections. It is INEC that conduct elections. So the essence of improving our electoral process is to reduce the role of judiciary, because judiciary do not conduct elections. INEC should take full responsibility of the entire process. If you are talking about, oh, there are violence, and all that, and cancellation, you would understand that, oh, INEC do not have security of its own. But this is our own logistics, coalition of results, and gap in result coalition process that is full responsibility of INEC. So I think the commission should have taken full responsibility. Again, the law says that the INEC chairman has the power to review electoral results that are announced under duress, or electoral results that are announced not in adherence to the electoral law. So these being questions around what should we have done to actually prevent casting doubts on the commission's credibility, to actually prevent a lot of reactions, a lot of negative reactions about the process. Again, we will be having a governorship election in less than two weeks. After this conduct, will people be encouraged to actually vote on 11th of March, 2023, we should be asking these questions going into the next governorship elections. We have opportunity to redeem our image. If we had promised that we would do this, let's do this. We didn't promise it, we didn't put things in our electoral guideline for the sake of it. We actually put it because it will contribute to the credibility of the polls, it will contribute to the transparency of the polls. We cannot tell Nigeria that, oh, despite the irregularity, it was not substantial enough to overturn the outcome of the elections. We don't expect party supporters or candidates to actually take that to the bank. If there is any doubt, if there is any gap, people will definitely explore it and it will cast doubts on the credibility of the process. So I think we could have done better, we should have done better because Nigeria has expected more from this election due to its competitive nature. Okay. Well, let me come to you, Tungi. We have very short time to say. What's the way forward? What is your party saying? It's one of the biggest opposition party. Apart from PDP, it is also Labour Party. But we have you today for the PDP. What do you intend to do? Because we cannot resort to anything that is illegal. So what legal steps do you intend to take? How do you intend to address these problems that you have perceived to have come out of this election? The only legitimate step to be taken by the party is to go to court, which is what the chairman of the INEC has wanted. Just like my colleague said, the INEC chairman has the power to review and he was asked to review and he refused. If to be an INEC chairman, I would have waited for that seven days between which I have the power to review before announcing the results to go and look at the complaint and see whether or not they are new and then I'll come out with my findings. But no, you won't do that because you have a plan. If I, if it is what happened with that political attack, that made me now that through what happened in my world, in my state, my world is the largest and that is why the most important comes from. The INEC, the INEC, they arrived in one of the policies there was at a level. At a level. So it turned out that it was deliberate to persuade us and to ensure that look, collaboration with the ruling party to be able to apply for a legitimate seat. In other words, or the square people from voting or even not allowed to vote. The results were not counted or announced until 1 a.m. Some are not even announced. Then after. And those results are not announced who are part of the results collected. I don't know how they got it. So there is no credibility that Michael Lee said because people, it's not only justice always to be done. There must be seen to have been done when people don't have confidence in you. In fact, if you have the next election you will not have no confidence. Because before this election people believed that we will be first. And with what we've seen, you know, soon we will get it. There is that hope that we are now getting to our destination that our vote will now come. With this one, people are doubted if people will not believe that our vote will secance. The only legitimate solution now is for us to, that is the only option. It's for them to go to court. Okay. Please just speak to you, to members of your party and all that. I know that the hierarchy has not said anything. They have all said that there is need to be peace. And people need to hear from as many mouths as possible. Talk to the supporters of PDP on how to take these election results and the way forward that you are proposing right now that your party is going to take. Just an advice to people who do not have the money to go and speak. So anyway, you say an advice, let me advise my people. People should go, there should not be crisis. We should follow the legal process and wait for the party to determine what they want to do and follow that step. There should not be crisis. We are all family. We are all Nigeria's and we should not be killing ourselves because of election that has gone on and lost in courts by somebody. So I employ our people to go to be peaceful and to conduct a fair without any bias or any protests or any disturbances of the peace. Yeah. I like it that you put it that way. That's what people need to hear right now. We cannot withstand another protest or another uprising and all that. But this is our Nigeria. We need to protect it. Let me also take a final word from our, the Moshud Isa. Talk to the people. People believed in INEG. INEG may have failed the people. They might have legitimate reasons why what happened happened and all that. We are yet to hear because when the cases go to court I'm sure that there will be an explanation that they have not given us up till this moment. But we believed also in Iyaga Africa that was supposed to be like an alternative to what INEG is going to do for us. Unfortunately, you depended solely on INEG. I wonder if you have a plan for the future so that if things like this happen you can still have information good enough for the people to digest and we can run to you as a reference point if we have complaints to make. Moshud. Okay. I think the commission should first investigate the circumstances or I don't know why we are not uploaded on the IRF. I also think the commission should make public the data of accredited voters from PIVAS. These are some things that would require the hope of Nigerians going into the 2023 governorship election. I think people should, Nigerians should remain hopeful should not be deterred. They should still come out and vote for their governors and state lawmakers of March 11, 2020. I think and I also urge Nigerians should I hope Nigerians to remain peaceful and encourage each other to actually come out and vote in the in the governorship elections. It's not it's not all who is not lost. I think the commission still have another opportunity to actually redeem itself going into the governorship elections. Thank you. Okay. Well, Tijani, Tunji, why am I calling you Tijani? Tunji, at least for the sort of places that you won for the houses members of the house of assembly that you won. Whether senators or house of red members that are going to be returned, we congratulate you for the successes so far. We congratulate you and hope that all these will end for the good of Nigeria and not just for individuals. I don't we don't care whether it's a party or an individual or anything. The ultimate goal is for a better Nigeria for tomorrow. So congratulations for the wins that you've had and we hope that God will give you the grace to take whatever comes up next after all the avenues are being explored. By the way, for today, thank you gentlemen for coming. Beginning with you, Tunji, thank you for coming on the program today. Thank you, Ravin. And Moschoudisa, media officer Yaga Africa, thank you for coming on the show. Okay. Moschoud just couldn't wait to leave or maybe he didn't hear us. Okay, this election, no matter how it has been, there are some wins that have been recorded. For instance, before now, it was difficult to hear that the sitting governor loses election to someone else. A sitting senator loses election to someone else. A sitting house of reps member loses election to someone else, especially when those people are from parties that were he thought to unknown. Like, for instance, the Labour Party. Okay, we have governors who lost the senatorial bid, for instance, Samuel O'Tom lost his senatorial bid. Anyway, he did say that if it means losing his senatorial seat in the upcoming election, he was ready to do that because of an interest that he had in someone else. If Anyo Buanyi also lost his bid, we also have Darius Ishaku, Simon Lalong, Ben Ayade, Siva State, Attiku Bagudu, all of them lost their senatorial bid. And someone else from the opposition party took that position. So it shows that there was some level of transparency. But whatever else we might have as grey areas, we do hope that in the coming days, these things will be addressed and we will be better for it. Nigeria is our country. We hope that we'll get better. Nhamgul Agadji is my name. Thanks for being there.