 Minimize the negative effects of alcohol consumption do this don't drink too late if your alcohol consumption disrupts your sleep you're gonna get way more negative effects number two drink a lot of water but also electrolytes the electrolytes especially sodium helps you hang on to that water so you don't get that dehydrated hung over feeling number three go low sugar eat less calories drink less calories with your alcohol and oftentimes sugar combined with alcohol just also gives you an upset stomach number four pace yourself don't drink too fast that makes the alcohol concentration your blood go up too fast then before you know it you're past the point of having fun and finally the last one use zbiotics it has been shown and proven to reduce the negative effects that vasatilide that happens from alcohol consumption those are the things you can do to minimize the negative effects of alcohol those are all this was literally my recipe for Thanksgiving was it really yeah this was the Christmas party deal so at the beginning of the Christmas party or the entrance right to get in aside from checking in was drinking the zbiotics yeah it was the zbiotics and my favorite is to hear back from and report the people that reported back that had never tried it before and I'm like what is this just drink it and then tell me how you feel it's way better oh yeah better always yeah so before we get into that like like the not drinking too late was the bit like a huge one that I learned as I got older because you know when I was younger and you go drink it was always late at night I was always late at night it's past 10 p.m. yeah then you're up you know and now you can't sleep or even if you do it's terrible sleep so now you have a combination of like lack of sleep plus the negative effects of alcohol just feel terrible and I remember when I got older the first time I did day drinking you know where you go out and it's like you know Vegas or whatever you hang out and then then you stop drinking at a certain time and then you get tired and you go to sleep and you wake up the next day I remember being like what why didn't anybody ever tell me about this this is like such a big deal yeah water with electrolytes is of course a big one I used to do coconut water back in the day before you know we worked with you finish the Elementy so you say coke and then coconut water good coke and water yeah out of said Vegas so yeah no it brought me there but yeah the Zeba Audix is pretty crazy a lot of people don't know how we actually start working with them it's a really funny story I brought up an article this author wrote about this like breakthrough product where they took bacteria modified it genetically modified it so that the bacteria itself would break down acetaldehyde which acetaldehyde is a negative byproduct of alcohol your liver breaks it down but some of it comes out in the gut so before your liver can break it down it still gets your bloodstream and the theory is that that's what gives us that like nauseous oh yeah hangover like feeling yeah yeah too much acetaldehyde feels like headaches upset stomach inflammation irritability all that kind of stuff so the author in the in the article I brought it up on on an earlier qua a long time ago and I said because I read it and the guy said oh my god I tried it I've tried it like five times it's really crazy that works talked about the podcast Zeba Audix called us like a month later like we got a big spike in sales because you guys brought up our product and we're like what can we work with you and then that's how it all it all worked out but yeah I think the message for health you know fitness and health minded individuals because quality of life is important alcohol can definitely play a role in improving can also definitely take away from the quality of life but responsibly you know you connect with people it's a good time loosens you up it can help you know lower inhibitions in terms of conversation you know it can lead to just that you know just a good time if it's done responsibly and occasionally so if you're your health minded you can definitely hack how are you gonna do this thing so you minimize you know the negative funny going through all this like before you know knowing there's products like that out there before knowing really what was happening in terms of like why my hangovers were so bad certain times like I would I would try and trace it back and then I would mix a different type of I was like maybe it's just the rum you know I'm just gonna go whiskey now and I'm just gonna do vodka so I would stick with like certain ones I didn't get like as bad of a hangover with and usually it was all like the hydration was a big factor to that and then to just like like you said drinking later at night because alcohol itself is just one of the worst substances to get a good night's sleep. I can't. Yeah. I can't. I end up sweating. I sweat all night and I have nightmares and wake up nightmares and wake up it's like the same damn story. Every single time. Z-biotics has been life changing for me. Yeah. I've I've never been. You always had a bad reaction. Yeah me too. Really really bad reaction with alcohol even like just one or two drinks like I couldn't it just one or two drinks would cause headaches or poor sleep or and so I just never which is partly why I gravitated to cannabis is like my way of like a partying or relaxing or socializing would be that would be my choice because alcohol just never maybe feel good and I have a wife who is the opposite who like that's her thing is like they she would much rather. Some people break down alcohol so well. Oh her whole family is that way. You can say there's a genetic thing. You can see it. You can see it in the whole the whole family has this ability to be able to drink like that and no one's ever hung over like blows my mind but so weird since Z-biotic I've been able to to do that and it's you know I don't I still don't drink a lot but I've been able to have things like the like in the past I'd go to a Christmas party like that and I would not partake in any drinks at all and that was half the fun. I mean they had custom drinks that they made just for our Christmas party and they were fabulous. Yeah they were fabulous. It was it was a really a really good time and enjoy it but it's something that I couldn't do in the past. You know some people have I don't know if I don't think it's an allergic reaction. I'm not quite sure but they have a reaction to it where it flushes. Yeah. Their skin. Yeah Courtney has a bit in her cheeks. Does she? Yeah. So I think it's more common in Asian populations. Is that true Doug? Yeah very very common. Is there a do you know what it's called? I don't know. I could look it up here. So my sister's partner Mike great I love him police officer San Jose shout out. He's like he can't touch alcohol. Like he has one drink and he gets this really negative effect from it. So yeah it's literally the worst hangover hangover I ever had in my entire life ever without actually getting sick because of course if you drink and get sick that's not great but I'll never forget this. My cousin myself and then my buddy Don who you guys know he knows one of the VPs for UFC gyms. Yeah. We were down in Palm Palm Springs. This is back when we invested in that gym down there and you know my cousin was going through some rough times and we're all just kind of hanging out and that was probably 20 to 21 22 and we bought you guys know if you guys ever seen that those jugs of red wine was like a little handle. Oh my god. And it's a big jug and at the bottom is looks like a wicker. That would destroy me. I already know. Yeah. Just wine in general but like cheap wine and drinking that. Oh my god. I would have the worst hangover. It's four gallons. It's four gallons of cheap red wine and the three of us had crushed it. Oh. And I remember the next day working and I'm like 21 or 22. Oh not only that but I smelled like it. You're the next thing. Oh god. It was terrible. I never felt anything like that. I can't remember you're like worse hangover. That's how bad it was. Yeah. That's got to be pretty. To answer the flushing question about Asian populations they tend to have a deficiency in an enzyme called aldehyde dehydrogenase which breaks down acetaldehyde. Probably look that up. Type in that enzyme function. I wonder if Z-biotics would help. I have never had Mike try that. Yeah. Before. I wonder if that would be a good thing. You said he's a San Jose PD. San Jose PD. Did you know if he knew my buddy Justin who just passed. I didn't ask him. Oh yeah. They had to ask them. Yeah. He's just was a sergeant there. Oh he's got to know. Yeah. I didn't even know that. How did you. I would have they probably knew each other for sure. Yeah. Mike's a great guy. He served in he served in the Middle East in the military. Super respectful. Very nice guy. Has you been a cop for a while too. He has. I remember when he went through the whole process. Got to know each other. Yeah. So when he went through the whole process I remember how tough it was because I guess when they first start you out you get like the the worst shifts. You know what I mean. So like okay here you go. You're just getting started. Your shift is 1 a.m. to 4 a.m. or whatever you know. Yeah. And he would get home. Graveyards. Oh he'd be so burnt out. What does it say there Doug. Yeah. It's a lot of mumbo jumbo to me. But the main pathway of ethanol metabolism involves its conversion to acetaldehyde. A reaction which is mediated by an enzyme known as alcohol dehydrogenase. Now Doug when you go back look up the symptoms because this is going to help highlight the symptoms of having too much acetaldehyde in the blood. What are the symptoms of having this situation. What are they. So I don't know what it was called but what is it. What happens to them. Nausea. What do they feel as a result of drinking alcohol because because since they don't have this enzyme that mediates acetaldehyde it'll give us probably a good idea of what for the average person would feel like if they just had too much. I mean again as I say. Probably all but yeah so facial flush flush elevated heart rate headache heart palpitations shortness of breath hyperventilation low blood pressure vertigo nausea and vomiting. Yeah. Yep. There you go. It covers the bases there. I wonder if there's anybody like that actually has that I guess that issue and then is not even tried to drinking because that we can't get on advocate for Z-box specifically for this because I don't know if it would do that. But on your own you could try sounds like it on your own you could try it and let us know because I don't know any there's nothing else out there because it's a patented product right so yeah other companies will so what they'll typically do is support the liver. So if you find something for alcohol a supplement it's always like supports the liver and detox. But this is about breaking down. That's like the old hack that used to do before we have heads you know we used to have us take two charcoal and a Tylenol. That's kind of like that move. I feel like that's how most of the over the counter stuff is pretty basic what they what they do. Yeah activity charcoal is just a great general something's up on my gut. Yeah. Type of thing literally cheap by the way let people know you buy activated charge comes in handy for sure super cheap you have any gut it's like an immediate relief or bloating or sourness and what it's because the charcoal sucks everything up right sucks it up and then it makes it so that your body can't absorb it and then you literally just poop it out I remember tripping out on that as a kid I told you my story of when my brother and his friend like fed me a bunch of cough syrup I really drank like two bottles of cough syrup why do you do that because they're playing doctor and there I was the patient and they're like feeding me cough syrup did I was like I don't know six or something five or six you got totally ripped just just just shredded maybe that's no not like that source of all my gut problems I'm not talking about being shredded like with abs oh okay yeah yeah like so what they do they take the hospital and just give you a ton of charcoal the irony of it was so my brother's friend his mom was a nurse in the ER and she was there when they brought me in she was so mad dude oh I bet I struggle I could I bet yeah that's older brothers are just I did you know yeah I went I was through the ringer I was the 80s though you know what I'm saying you used to let your kids your your your older yeah your your 10 year old watch your six year old I've got my younger brother dude poor I didn't throw me the wools all the time I remember my younger brother one I don't know how I talked him into this we watched Home Alone no I don't think it was Home Alone it was way before that anyway I convinced him to let me what's the is it is it duct tape the gray tape the one that's yeah I convinced him to let me duct tape his hands to his head like this okay and we thought it would be funny okay it's a good idea and then yeah and he's chasing me around but then when you go to take it off yeah we couldn't take it off crying and my mom was about to go home and I had to cut his hair with scissors that reminds me of I just saw some like I don't know how popular this is or not but it was really funny this this lady like they they call it some challenge where it's like the foot face challenge or something in this lady like sticks her face and her friends will sit on the couch her foot like on her face and then her friend behind her like taped the foot to her face and the lady's like oh it's like that's so bad stuff like she's sleeping or something yeah messed up dude could you imagine two of them trying to get yeah like oh i want to do that give me two that's like my worst nightmare dude i told you guys my my thing with feet oh god on your face you ever seen the one where when people are sitting like uh those plastic chairs you know with the arm like it's got the arms but there's like a gap they'll take a broomstick and put it through the arms over the person oh yeah yeah yeah and then they'll smack them and run and if you try and get up you're stuck yeah yeah that's 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this guy pulls out pasta from italy pasta from here the pasta from here is much more yellow than the one from italy so they dried at such a high temperature that it makes the gluten in the pasta more uh damaging to the body or harder to digest sorry okay harder to digest the body interesting that seems plausible because it's the most obvious so why why do we cook it at such higher temperature faster production really yeah and you know about more yeah and you know italy's uh so funny they have such a they have a very interesting food culture there where they take a lot of pride in doing things a particular way that even if it's slower even if it costs more it's like well stands on its own i mean if you ask anybody like where they're going to go in europe for like that where they're known for food it's italy yeah you know it's just like one of those staples it's cool to see them to put a stop to the uh fake meat the bandit coming in come in you can't make me get over did did uh have you guys ever seen or tried who's been to italy you have uh neither one of you hmm no i've always wanted i had a buddy who went to italy asked for um a cafe latte uh with uh soy milk or almond milk and i remember which one they laughed at him probably no they don't laugh they don't have no no he said can i have um i'll go a cappuccino sorry can i have a cappuccino with almond milk this is the response the guy looked at him no excuse me and then he turned around we don't have it he turned he goes that is not a cappuccino and he turns back around he's like like he offended him yeah yeah how dare you ask me to make something like that get out of here that's like in like new york it's like that is some places too if you try to change things up uh certain like uh you know like sandwich places i love your places i know i respect it man it's like you know this is what i'm offering you know take it or leave it i like you hey it's not for everybody i didn't make it for everybody i made it for specific people that like this type of thing because i like that sort of thing have you guys been in new york city to new york never no i yeah so i so i've never been there but the what if they the i guess people say that people rude that right or like really short and yeah well it's like a pride i've trained a lot of clients that were from new york and i love them yeah they're they're they're super direct and that can come off as rude or you know in your face unfiltered yeah but i love i can i could totally appreciate that that humor and that candor too i like i'd rather have somebody who's like that and so you get that yeah a lot of those people every client i had that was like from new york born and raised new york and they were now over here in cali with her i had some that were like traveling or consultants and they were only in california for a certain period of time and uh yeah they definitely had this like directness because people are people are rude in california too but it's probably i think it's a different kind of rude it's a it's like passive aggressive rude yeah it's like yeah i'm gonna do this to you yeah okay that's why everybody hates the california people everywhere else in the united states yes dude don't you ever notice that that's why i remember when i was a kid when i showed i moved to colorado i remember like telling people i was from california like instantly everybody hates you yeah nobody you know why because everybody that leaves leaves there comes and migrates to these other states that are kind of a slower pace and try to make it in california yeah yeah and i think that's now where you left kelvin yeah that's the idea right yeah but i think i think it's a different kind i know when i was in tennessee um the southern hospitality you know what they'll what they'll say i mean it was real man people were really really friendly yeah it's kind of a nice you know i liked it i prefer that i don't know if i'd like the new york but anyway we'll see i brought up the other day the uh you guys i told you guys that mark cuban i thought maybe i was speculating about um running for president yeah running for president now i see some rumor of him trying to do like some mega casino or something over in in dalis did you see this andrew have you heard anything about this yeah was that right after i had said that to you guys and wait you can have a casino i don't he's trying to he's trying to is it legal or is it like i think that's what he's trying to i think he's trying to make it legal i think he's trying to build like a look up for me so i can get my fact straight but originally i thought that that was the speculation was he's selling a big portion off you know they're getting his three billion or whatever it was from the the mavs that was going to help him run for president now i'm seeing stuff pop up that he's potentially trying to build like a little mini night rather be biff from back to future all right good on you mark these money makers you see those are the slot machines right just the aren't those the big i mean everything is that's the best odds for the casino that's what i mean yeah yeah but i mean i don't know that's a good question because the biggest money because there's things that are way higher doll like craps you're playing with way more money the table so i i don't know if if slots are technically the best i mean they're like the the best odds for them like as far and like losing for people so in that that aspect but then you're not you're not talking about huge high hands like you are in a poker or or craps but you're the you're the of all of us you're the you're the most uh versed or well versed i guess and gambling you've done it the most or whatever what's the biggest payday you've come back with like what's the most the biggest wins in one trip 12 14 000 something wow yeah wow that's great mm-hmm all right what's the biggest loss 10 okay yeah i lost that in like i remember i'll never forget that i've i've told you guys this the story before that was my first introduction to um your nobody special in vegas oh because you last ten you thought yeah yeah like i so so i used to gamble a lot in rino and in rino if you gamble three or five grand you're you know kind of a ball yeah kind of a baller i mean i've but i could be gambling five grand and you know they'll take care of my rooms they'll take care of my food they'll even send a limo for me to go go places and stuff like that so they'll they'll really want to dine you for that kind of money being gamble consistently right uh and then vegas it was like i had just came off of like a trip from rino like that and then i was at the um he was at the palms and i just got to the crowd and i was betting aggressive and like it was within an hour i think i lost ten thousand dollars and i was like super i was in i was in a bad mood and like in my head like of course trying to reframe it well let's go get myself like one of the luxury suites and chill maybe watch some basketball or something it was around that time this season and i'm gonna go see my host and go uh go tell them what i lost and have them upgrade my room you know like a fucking there i said hey you know i just uh you know i just lost i said i'm gonna go up to my room but i was wondering could you uh could you look at my comps and you know uh set me up with a better room than what i meant put me in a suite or whatever yeah yeah sure sir mr. schaefer and they're like pulling it up and they're like oh yeah sorry you don't you don't qualify for he comes i said what it's lost ten thousand dollars it's like it's qualified me for anything oh no it doesn't i'm sorry sorry about that i'm like fuck that hurt here's a free bottle of water yeah but i don't i mean i haven't i haven't i haven't gambled like that uh in a long time i told you there's another thing too man i realized like um i'm i was easily influenced with my friends that are into that like that could pull me into that direction of gambling like that like i don't i'm not hanging out with any of that crew anymore and so i still sports bet um but only on games i'm watching only on my on my team like and and there it's very minimal by the way are you positive this season because i know you guys doing fantasy football and you you're like i know you and you and andrew are like fighting for a second because we had i was roasting you guys right yeah kyle's the yeah kyle was the the definitely the undercover the quiet of course the quiet kid who quiet killer you know i should have known but you know i should have known the way he approaches i mean a trainer everything he puts his head down that yes he's so he was so quiet and undercover by like andrew's talking shit like me we're going back and forth you know with all these kids and quiet and quiet kyle over there you know i'm saying studying studying studying studying studying and on the waiver wire and and yeah and he's just thumping everybody and so andrew and i are tied and we had a game last night and it was a pretty epic comeback comeback win for uh for me he had me he was up by like 50 something points going into which is a lot in fantasy football and uh going into money night and i came back and i won by like what point seven he's not even going to answer he's he's so salty about it you know why because i came in on andrew's competitive so on monday morning so monday night football is the game right so monday morning i come in he's up 57 points and i told him i said oh man i almost had you and it was good he's like no i wasn't even worried it wasn't i'm like hey careful i still got two more guys you never know you're like yeah i'm not worried that's so this is attitude and it did so he literally to the game came down to overtime last night i'm down 50 something points it's the end of the game like a minute left i'm still gonna lose by like five points and then i my players get a couple big catches to make me within one point and then the game like crazy way it unfolds ends up going to overtime so it extends the game and they go into overtime and then i get i get another catch and i literally win by like not even a full point i think i won by point seven yeah so yeah andrew is trying to call him sick to work today i'm not going to make it in today it's get your ass in here his review comes up sunglasses now you guys you guys so uh you never got into gambling yourself or did you ever have any close friends that were really i gambled with supplements that's about as far as i got your life can i do like i gamble with my life let's see what this does jackpot let me tell you a couple times i lost but i always came out on top yeah i played i played a little bit i mean we would go we're just so broke dude it's not fun dude like you get really mad you know you lose it's who do you have nobody yeah like i never you i mean here's the thing okay so you're in that industry right where you had like this expendable cash yeah yeah like we never had the expendable cash experience yeah it was like very like tight so but i was like very much on uh blackjack kick for a long time and i was like i can you know i can figure this one out like i can do you know single deck and then like multiple deck and i'm i think i have this figured out my grandma could literally count cards oh wow and like i always wanted to choose like so like puritan like it was against like gambling or dancing or anything you know dancing well yeah dude you know like back in the day like that was a thing like in these like puritan kind of it's like i've never uh yeah it's like footloose yeah dude it's like like literally like that like she although she broke that rule like with my grandpa they would every every now and then they do like this swing dance and stuff to like the old timey dug music it was great basically anything that could potentially make kids horny was against the rules yeah back in the day yeah anything at all yeah that could potentially make oh wow he is is that what i'm reading am i reading that correctly yeah so take it away from fantasy oh you are going back to the marquette sale marquette had sold the company to a woman named miriam adelson and her and her family they owned a company called the last lost vegas sans corporation which is basically like this luxury resort company uh casinos in vegas and their goal is to basically right here what it says uh it's a far reaching modification beyond about classical considerations their goal basically is to led to influence legislators in texas to allow casino gambling oh all right yeah all right interesting good or bad thing what do you guys think casino i'm not against it i don't know i'm gonna yeah i guess it or how can i be in districts where they're like they want it yeah super anti it yeah the offering nothing but crime and prostitution i mean listen it's uh that would be like somebody's response it's uh like anything else you'd be a very unhealthy addiction you know i'm saying yeah it is uh i mean from um uh i'm i'm very i'm like this is where i am like you in the the libertarian sense like even though i wouldn't call myself a libertarian i think there's certain things that i'm just like you know it should be up to us to discipline ourselves to to not to or to do that stuff like it's the other i think it's the other you mean you just said it i think it's the other behaviors that it it tends to bring along with it mm-hmm that people are against to get nervous about it yeah like you know like the alcohol consumption the partying uh-oh now we got you know prostitution and other drugs yeah i mean i'm sure they'll get a little bit of that response especially it just depends where he's gonna put it right i would imagine you know it whether it's close to a bunch of schools or you know those kind of considerations i'm sure they would like yeah you can't even go way way far school this is just not good for the kids you guys it's not good for the kids who's a teacher think about it i mean it's it's it's you know it's funny i think i heard one time that the the addictive part of it is actually the losing part not the winning part have you ever heard that before is it the trying to get it back i know it's just what happens chemically in your body from a loss is what triggers the the impulse of behavior yes it's not the way it's not the win it has something to do with the loss maybe doug can find find that or andrew find that but i remember reading that one time what's addictive uh what it why is gambling addictive or really addictive yes it's it's the it's has something to do with the loss not the win which you find i find that really interesting which also he explains why some people can like when they lose they go they go crazy self-sabotage people what would you be mo what's the one thing that you are most likely if you were to have an addict an addiction that's like that's you know damaging to your life what would be the one thing that would be do you have to reveal this i would say i would say uh i mean you guys know me really well so i'm pretty good about all all these things obviously none of us here have that issue right saying if you were to pick one thing i mean i think i think that could be one being a father and a family and like you're i mean imagine i know people that like they can they've like leveraged their house and like i know someone that yeah yeah so i mean i think that could be like and it's not you can't visually see it like someone becomes a heroin addict or a coke addict or what like that like you could tell yeah your wife is probably going to be up and up on what's going on i mean i guess you could probably hide that but it's less likely to hide yeah but i mean man remember when we met um um bret and his wife came over and and she said that he was hiding from yeah he was he was a half a million dollars he had lost wow imagine losing five hundred thousand dollars and your partner not having any idea and imagine that was your entire state your retirement and savings and you were leveraging the how i mean god that would be just that could be really because now you're not just destroying your life destroying your your families and others not to say that alcohol and jokes could do that there's other right almost no chance for me to have an issue with family i just don't like it but i could see just substances and i do this with supplements already i could see like i like you know feeling you know whatever good or yeah that's why i haven't tried yeah it's like any of those like that are like geared towards uh stimulations you know like the real yeah i was like i got steer clear of those because me and caffeine already is problematic so i'm like i'm like i gotta make sure i i you know put a good stop to this yeah so the urge to get it back is what is get stronger and stronger as the loss so that is that so yeah it probably causes an internal panic yeah right and that's except what happens and and that what it feels like to you yeah you know i definitely and this is why i have like rules right to like how i do it so like it and what i'll never allow myself to do i shouldn't say never because this is when i know i'm like okay i have to pull away is if i catch myself doing that where it's like oh i lost i love yeah i break the rule i lost 500 bucks so all of a sudden i want to bet another another game and now i want to bet a thousand or two thousand bucks where it's like no my rule is that when i lose i start back at the bottom at 250 again and work my work my way up on the winning and if i lose i got to reset and start over again not the opposite which is you have the impulse to want to go well make that back and win some because i'll double up right you know what's interesting about all this is that uh betting with the stock market is is totally fine like not investing in companies but you can actually bet on a company failing you can actually do that if people don't know this about sure thing you can go in and buy uh shorts yeah you can short and that's what you're literally doing i bet this one's going to go back oh i would make the case style that most like this would be an interesting stat to see too that most people that buy stocks are gambling too very few people are are doing like a fund where they are actually just putting it away methodically they're probably not methodical i mean i'm guilty of that i'm guilty of buying stock the same way i like this company oh there i heard this i'm going to do that like that's gambling i mean that's the when you gamble on sports is the same thing it's like oh i got an inside track draymond greens gonna be sick tonight tomorrow night like in that the betting line doesn't know yet so i'm betting against this like that's what that that's what that is the people are doing the same thing with companies are like oh i hear they're coming out with this new software so i'm gonna bet on that stock like it's speaking of companies that bet so this i don't know if this is a i guess it's a compliment but more and more people more and more companies people send these to me by the way if your company and you're gonna do this i mean i'm gonna see it and i don't i guess i guess you can i don't know if i mean i don't think it's like illegal so long as you don't misrepresent whatever but people are taking clips of our show when we talk about something and using it to sell the product oh i saw the bands one there yeah so it's like me talking about the value of like resistance bands and it's literally me talking on our podcast and i'm not affiliated with this company i'm not selling their bands i didn't ever even tried it but they're using what i said on the show about bands as authorities this guy's a sales genius yeah let's put some bands behind them people send it to us like to shut it down or so i like it it's a positive thing so long as you don't misrepresent well yeah that's the one where they changed your voice is another situation that was weird like that's different like that's that's literally yeah they're using ai to manipulate what you said that's misrepresenting but if they clip out something that we say and they happen to sell a product or a thing that represents what if i bring up a study about something yeah yeah i mean i think that i mean and what i like about it aside from it's just it's just free exposure for us and in advertising it would the goal was always to to reach this like authority type of position in the fitness space right that was the point of using the podcast to to be able to do that and to me that is it's being recognized as that now here's the otherwise why else would you do that here's the bad move i'll tell i'll say this first off you know you got to make it clear that i'm not working with that company because i don't want people we place a lot of value and time and energy into vetting the people that we promote so i don't want people to get the wrong idea that's the only real detriment yeah like i don't want someone buying a product because they saw me say something about uh you know a study or something we haven't vetted it or anything right and they think oh mine pump is totally vouching for this company and then it's a shit product hurts someone or something like that so that you got to make that clear but like if you're gonna do it and you make it clear and all that stuff fine send us the product at least do something to let us know like don't just do it all i mean i would i would just do it because that's why i give you guys free shit i'm just gonna use it's shifty dude yeah i mean so for the audience so like grifting that are that want to know or maybe it bothers them because of the for the reasons you're saying is you can go to minepumppartners.com that is like we created those are only partners yeah create that url for that exact reason because we always get people they're like where is this code or what do you go is this a company guys are minepumppartners.com and you can literally see everybody that we work with or represent and if they're not on that list and they're using sal saying something yeah they're probably ripping the content i gotta talk to you guys about a new show i found well this is all in the vein of like some of the ghost and the spirits and all that kind of stuff i get into but it's called the dead files and so the premise is basically like you have like a detective guy ex the detective and then you have like a medium lady and so simultaneously in the beginning like the detective guy kind of does all the historical references and he interviews like everybody involved in their uh exact stories and everything and he kind of like writes it all out and everything and then she does this kind of walk through later on and like you know sort of feels the house and in the spirits and whatnot and like kind of the visions that she gets and all that and it's really interesting to see how they like completely like merge at the end and how accurate she is with a lot of these kinds of things and all that it's totally real right it's totally real and it's 100 percent believable there's no there's no like yeah there's no like putting props in place ahead of time or any of that kind of shenanigans you guys it's like tv so it's honest and um so but it's entertaining it's really entertaining but so as entertaining as this is uh there was like a specific episode i have to bring in some of this hilarious uh like because there'll be like spiritual described and you know they'll have like different characteristics and whatnot and like some of them are like like this is like like a bone collector one or like this is like a oh like they have their own yeah their own like attributes like this one is the the one that like chokes you out like you know you feel like paralyzed sometimes like oh like in this state of like half asleep and half awake yes yeah so uh anyway so like these people's house uh like they're being tormented by these spirits whatever and uh like basically it's the worst the worst one i've ever heard her kind of describe she's like basically this because some of them used to be like real people that like they murdered people in there and so it's like their remnants of their energy whatever and so it was this uh it's like something do you feel like you're being watched and like this like this one's a bit of a stalker and they're like oh no that's not good whatever it gets like worse so they had like uh her connect with this this um artist who draws like what she sees and then what the artist has like some kind of like ability as well to like see see this like right so she's drawing it's it's fucking entertaining you guys and so she's drawing like what the spirit looks like in like the room and everything and then they put it in a folder and this is like a reveal they do this like multiple times and like different shows it's so so so they had this envelope and they're like going to like tell the you know these poor owners like okay so here's the spirit that you know we've like I saw and that you know this artist sort of depicted for you and they like reveal it and it's this spirit up in the corner and it's this fat guy who's like jacking off they drew that oh my god I was fucking dying dude we have a perverted spirit up there like getting off every time we're hanging out in the bedroom I'm like wow this show is nuts hey hey most realistic depiction of what would a ghost would probably do like one of the credit card imagine that like I'm assuming the people that come on this show are like they're they're bought in so they like they believe it when they yeah they're like oh dude I knew it hey I low that's where that schmutz came from yeah oh active plasm yeah I low key when I watched Ghostbusters when I was a kid I was a little older but you know you kind of come of an coming of age like 12 13 or whatever remember the scene where uh I don't know what's his name Venkman is it which one was Dan Ackroy yeah yeah oh yeah was he Peter Venkman no he wasn't Peter that was anyway Bill Murray he's where he gets like the Dan Ackroy Dan Ackroy yeah where the ghost has sex with him remember that scene uh-huh it ends up so I'm like 13 year old kid and I saw that scene I was like what you know he was on Joe Rogan and he's still claimed like it's happened in real life he's actually had a he's had like a sexual encounter with a ghost so yeah that's what I kind of like kind of thought I would be no kind of one of that when I was like this might be cool yeah you're a 13 year old kid you know what I mean you're like did he really claim that he did yes oh that's he's an odd bird I mean he has like uh he's very much into the paranormal let's put that way if you guys listen to him did you know so the one where uh sleep paralysis that's a common one where people feel like there's a a demonic entity sitting on them and holding them down and they're like kind of wake up and see this dark figure pressing on them it's a very commonly reported um thing among people who said they've seen a spirit really I can't think of anything more terrifying you wake up and there's a dark figure just holding you I've never had the dark figure but I've you've had that before where you're kind of like yeah when you kind of like you can't tell if you're in or out you know it's panic inducing yeah it's a worst feeling ever but it's always quick though it's like for a moment for a while I can be in it for a while dude oh really I can be in it for a while to the point where I'm hoping someone wakes me up oh it's interesting I feel like I've had that when I got up and then I went back to sleep so yeah in the morning especially when it's light out and I go back to sleep and then I've had that happen I've had like the worst nightmares when I go back to sleep during the day oh yeah if I don't understand or when you're sick you ever sleep when you're sick they're always nightmares yeah the worst yeah but the sleep paralysis thing I know how to get out of it because it used to happen to me so much when I was a kid and the key is you have to start moving somehow because once you start moving your body wakes up enough but because you're paralyzed nothing moves so I would focus on this like my my my toe or my pinky or my tongue or something small that I could kind of move a little bit yeah I'm gonna wake up and it would always work I know what you were thinking stop it I know what you think you're something we're like koo koo koo koo koo dude a little little push-ups your friends are watching you sleep on the couch what's what whoa what's happening sorry guys I had to get myself up if you know what I mean anyway speaking of weird stuff did we talk about the invisibility cloak that China created no we did not okay I saw I saw a thing on it where they turned it sideways and then it like disappeared what what is it so was it real is that real yeah it looks real yeah yeah you literally hide behind it I don't know how it works did you read up on it or no I think I'm gonna guess so here we go I know I can guess but I was okay I think it has to pull it up so we could see it Doug because I did see like I think it has the way the way it refracts light and bends light so that it so that it makes what's behind you appear to be in front of yeah I don't think it's cameras or anything you don't think it's cameras that the you know some kind of led screen that they could it's how do they how do they omit the person though and still show the background I don't know that's the part that's like tripping yeah I don't do they talk about how it works yeah I want to see it because I thought okay it is the one I saw right there that's the one I saw right there where he like basically he's like hanging it in front of his legs and you can see his legs yeah but then the crazy is when they used it out in nature and then the guy like covers himself with it and literally disappears and you're like oh my god that's crazy could you could you like if you're the first person amongst your friends the Harry Potter cloak if you're the first dude in your group of friends to get this the pranks you could play with this oh yeah would be just look at that isn't that wild it still has like kind of a blue hue I mean it's not like perfect but out in I think out in the sun like it even like blends in even better yeah or just in nature you wouldn't be able to see that for yeah what's wild is that we can how do we how can we see through his legs like that that's I think it has to do with the way that it reflat refracts light but then again why is there no shadow I don't I don't get it I don't know damn it did you so you guys haven't got somebody because okay I saw this too but I just totally dismissed them here yeah look at this yeah this is him in nature watch this it's a fabric bro look it's all folded up it's not like a horror just throws it over just throws it over and then literally immediately blends in look at shut what what like there's no way you could find him dude hide and seek champion both sides work did you see that yeah it's two sided that's what I understand like what fabric that is okay so no one's seeing like okay we've all seen these like clips no one's seen like an interview with technology yet what if it's fake did it I don't know I just it just dropped yeah so it's Chinese students look at that it could very well just yeah it was December night like a deep fake oh this is 2022 yeah well it went under the radar obviously on the rest of the show I didn't see that coming yeah uh you know I just saw stat that said that speaking of Chinese students that the number one thing that Chinese kids want to be when they grow up as an astronaut hmm the number one thing that American kids want to be youtuber a youtuber oh is that right yeah it was just guess wow yeah team America yeah we're fucking up everybody yeah we're gonna we got it we need more as a youtube it not more of that stuff anyway all right I want to ask you guys a quick question because uh I see this often in our our q and a's on instagram and we never answer it because well I know why we don't answer it is because what what may be the best thing for us isn't what's going to be the best thing for someone else but it gets asked so often that I want to bring it up and that is what is each of your favorite maps program and don't make it the obvious one because we all know like I you know maps anabolic I was the first one I created that you like perform but what are your what is your favorite maps program that you've used that's not one of the I guess the core ones do you guys have one yeah uh yeah old-time strength but that one's become your favorite it has yeah and it's and it's mainly just because it's um stuff I used to play around with and mess around with just on my own like and try to get better at and then having it deliberately programmed definitely made a difference in terms of the strength of that but I always felt like those lists I wish I incorporated them more because they translate so well to everything else I just don't I don't like put emphasis on them otherwise yeah it's so it's so hard for me not and if I were not to choose um aesthetic it would probably be symmetry um I want to guess that for you yes I definitely would guess that for you yeah I mean an aesthetic I know is the the one you don't want me to choose but it's just so hard not to because it has nothing to do with that it was the one that I like whatever that was uh related to my competing or that I influenced or whatever it has nothing to do with that has everything to do with that most of my training career uh I felt like a big bulk of my clients were aesthetically driven or wanted to sculpt their body they wanted a more of a bud or they wanted to build their arms they wanted a more developed chest and and I identify with that I'm there even to this day when I'm training there's body parts when I look at my physique I'm like oh I should put a little more energy in this direction I should put so I'm always kind of doing that and so I love that I love that we wrote a program that allows you to pick a muscle group or two and go okay I'm gonna yeah I'm gonna try and sculpt my physique and I think it's such an amazing thing that we can do that so that it's hard to not say that is is my favorite because it is my favorite but then symmetry uh I mean that one is I'm really proud of that and the the that's something that I I would go to and default to if I'm not doing something like aesthetic because you I mean we talked we've remember for so many years we were talking about the benefits of unilateral training yet we hadn't programmed like a true unilateral program and with the fact that we incorporated isometrics inside there which we'd never I had never actually truly programmed isometrically an actual phase of it like we did I always integrated into my training but never actually programmed it out like we did not and then I love the fact that we have this at the end of that program you have this ability to go do a phase that's bilateral to see okay how much of those isometrics and that unilateral training how how well did that benefit me and see and actually see it expressed in the final phase so if I had to like narrow it down those two to me are are my favorite I mean I love those two it was for me map strong uh I did not expect to like that one that much but when I did it again I really built like some quality muscle from that but now it's map 15 yeah it's funny same that makes sense you do Doug yeah so I did not expect we created maps 15 as a way for people to you know break up the workouts with limited schedule still get good results I had a PR on deadlifts on that at the age of 43 and every time I follow it I just feel good and I get stronger and it's so unexpected it's so unexpected I do the advanced version obviously so I'm like I love that program to I did not expect it to be that that kind of effective I mean I've been have all the programs I've been training most like that the longest yeah the last year has been most like map 15 than any of the other programs and you know and to me what the lesson of that was you know you and as much as we communicate this on the podcast of you know there's a there's an effective dose you're right and then they're the most appropriate and then there's too much and there's not enough and as fitness enthusiasts I think we always tend to lean towards the most we could tolerate yeah the most we could tolerate not the the most optimal for us and I think that was the big lesson of maps 15 is like man it especially you know remember Arnold's famous for saying he could go into the gym and do one one set and it'd be more effective than your 10 set yeah that somebody doing 10 or I forget what he would analogy but the point of being is like man when you've been lifting for a really long time not only do you have all the benefits of muscle memory but then you also had the benefits of being able to get the most out of a couple exercises and just think that we've reached that point we have all this all these years and years and years of training we don't need a ton of volume to elicit any sort of change or response and you've gotten super effective at you can go do a squad or a deadlift and get right into that movement and maximize that movement in a handful of sets and so I just think that I'm reminded of that when when doing math 15 about man when you've been lifting for a really long time like that that thing is an incredible incredible program all right I got a shout out uh so Arnold's son Joseph Baena this is the son that he had where he had the affair with his you know I think it was his housekeeper but anyway it's pretty I mean pretty interesting this kid looks more like Arnold than all the other kids do and his body looks like Arnold's body so he's been working out natural I don't think he's taking any any steroids or anything like that because he looks natural but his body shape like the way his pecs are shaped his arms his delts bro he's got the he's like it's like he took almost all of Arnold's genetics so anyway it's pretty cool um he's got a decent page nothing like you're gonna learn a ton off off of it but if you're an Arnold fan it's really interesting so check it out there's a company called butcher box that delivers to your door grass fed meats heritage pork chicken that's raised amazingly humanely wild caught fish and great prices and right now if you go to butcherbox.com forward slash mine pump you're gonna get three pounds of free range organic chicken wings for free in every order for an entire year and $20 off again it's butcherbox.com forward slash mine pump check it out all right back to the show first question is from Chris de most thanus are partial reps effective and when do they have a place in a workout program partial reps are extremely effective when used properly okay so they're not that effective if you use them just as a way to lift more weight um if you're doing it because you can't do a full range of motion squat or press or whatever uh but if you use them to train a particular range of motion that you may have a weakness in yeah from a performance aspect yeah so let's say that you when you bench press that you get the bar a half an inch off your chest then you get stuck and you know if you could just move it four inches then you'll be able to press the bar up well you could train in that range of motion or you come all the way down and come up a little bit and come back down and strengthen that part of the range of motion in order to strengthen a weak part of the rep so that's one effective way the other effective way which i'm very very careful how i say this because people are going to take this too far but if you're training and you're utilizing intensity as the main factor to elicit muscle growth if you're going through a phase for example maps anabolic advanced has this right where there's there are definite judicious now it's used judiciously but there are segments where you're trying to go to failure and beyond partial reps can be good here as well what does that mean by beyond well you go to technical failure meaning oh i can't do another full rep without bad form now i'm going to do two or three half reps to squeeze out just a little bit more those are the two main ways i like to use partial i'm trying to think of an analogy that that encompasses all of these um novel stimulus stimuluses that people always ask about partial reps cluster sets pyramid stacking giants i mean they're all these are all these tools all interrupters that and they all have value and i'm trying to i guess the best analogy i can come up with uh is like in basketball where you learn all these great moves like a spin move and a behind the back and a crossover and a between the legs move and like those are all those are all apply in the game like there's getting there and if you practice them and know how to do them well you can insert those in the game and they be very effective at the right times but you know how ridiculous you would look if you came down the core and every time every move was a move right if it was a you went between the legs and you went behind the back and then you went and then you were constantly doing that it would be ridiculous and you wouldn't be very effective uh at the game margin for error would increase substantially right and and so i think that's kind of similar in in the situation like men that yeah they got great value but but people abuse them and they look ridiculous they constantly are using all these stimuluses and it's like man they're the fundamentals or what's going to move the the needle like your your standard five by five you know of your biggest five lifts and working on good form and technique and tempo and like that is like the meat and potatoes of you like moving the needle when it comes to strength performance sculpting your body like like that is you stay there 90 percent of the time just getting good at that stuff and then you know you have all these great tools now personally i like using these novel things when when when time is a factor or it makes sense or like or i'm limited to equipment so i'm going to do some of these kind of unique techniques because all i have is dumbbells or all i have is 20 minutes and so i i utilize a lot of these novel stimuluses that are the increase intensity in the workout and because i don't do it very often i get a great response from it versus how i use it as a kid because i too was like fascinated by all these you know magazine articles where i read about a cluster set or i i read about partial raps and and of course when you read about them they attach them to some study that says this will elicit this much more change by doing this or it gets this much more muscle activation and so we get we gravitate towards it like it's going to make this big difference and it's like no that's not the bulk of your training your book of your training should be the fundamentals and then everyone's flair it's the it's the fun stuff right that i think it's there's value in in doing things to shake it up and have fun but it's not something that's like a staple and it's not something that's really like moving the needle as much as it's just like this is kind of interrupting disrupting what your normal method of operation looks like and you know in terms of that and two for from a performance aspect so like doing a partial squat and things like that will apply to for a leveraged perspective with your using like you know like like seven foot guy like that's that's squatting down and like you know his full range of like his optimal depth in terms of like being able to generate force is the consideration there so it looks different than say somebody that's trying to go like full range of motion astagraph squats so i mean you can justify it in like certain directions like that but overall like you know the majority of people need to like seek out a full range of motion uh exercise yeah there's a bit of a belief too that like uh and this was more in the 90s you still see see this somewhat but in the 90s this became a thing for a second and the reason why fell out of favor as it didn't work but the belief was that the load on the bar which created a lot of tension mattered more than the full range of motion so they said okay if you could bench press 150 pounds with the full range of motion you're better off doing 250 with partial range of motion because of the load and that's going to make it more effective because you're lifting heavier weight well this has been proven false i will say this though the one category of people were partial what would appear to be partial reps in the sense that it's not what would be considered the standard um full range of motion or what's accepted standard full range of motion the one category of people were where they could train with lots of partial reps or athletes when it's specifically applied to what they're working on in training it now if you get a beginner basketball player you got kids you're working with full range of motion full range of motion you get advanced players i'm not going to take a d1 basketball player and have him work on full range of motion squats he's going to get more out of training partial you know half or quarter squats because that's the strength that he needs to develop in a sport in fact full range of motion squats may actually change his recruitment patterns on the court to the point where it takes away from his performance and you see this sometimes when they post videos of high-level athletes doing these half squats and then all the the trainers on the internet who have no idea oh that's dumb that's not even a full squat it's like okay you don't understand what they're training for it's totally different next question is from kpm strength what are the best books on programming design and the best meal plan resources all right let's talk about program design for a second there's there's some books that are out there they're pretty good you know starting strength with mark rip toes pretty good for some of the basics um you can look at good mobility stuff like supple leopard is pretty good but i'll tell you what nothing taught me more about program design than following well-established effective programs for myself for my clients studying and looking at what top olympic coaches do with their programming looking at well-established powerlifting routines like westside barbells approach for example looking at traditional bodybuilding routines that are accepted i learned a lot looking at functional training or athletic training for different sports and what accepted models of training i learned more it's almost like buying the car and then breaking it down to see how it works i learned way more from that so where am i getting at well if you're a trainer or coach and you're training the average person and you want to figure out program design rather than buying a book and learning all the ins and outs and trying to figure it out and then you got to apply experience you could literally get three or four staple maps programs follow them with your clients see how they're written and start to understand why they're written the way they're written and how they work on your clients you'll get more out of that than trying to from the bottom up where you're learning all the pieces and whatever so i loved doing this as a trainer i loved looking up how did the soviets train their olympic athletes what's the bulgarian method what uh you know how did arnold work out how did mike menser work out um what's westside barbells routine instructor look like like that taught me more about workout programming besides experience than anything else yeah this i mean the strength world i think is really good at that um and like juggernaut trains another example chad westley smith that yeah a good one but um for books like for me it was like super training by mel sif that that highlights what sal's talking about for the um soviet studies and to be able to kind of extract um how they program that with their olympic athletes and then you know what you can what you can uh compile yourself and kind of structure but i mean it's it's so much of an experience thing over anything it's really not in a book because of the the fact that every individual provides so many different variables um that it's it's really like a lot of detective work a lot of asking the right questions plays the biggest factor in how you structure and prescribe uh an effective program you know i i actually got a lot of value this is one of the few things i think i did get a lot of value from our then all the national certifications that i went through um especially like the nasm cp all right i forgot about the opt that's a good point yeah their their opt model and then their ces uh what was it was like stabilized but i mean yeah yeah but there yeah there's seven of the opt but here's the thing though to your point because we had some trainers in here not recent or just recently and they were asking and i always get i get frustrated when i'm talking to our trainers that listen to the show and stuff like that and that don't own the programs and that's not because i know i have a bias right you're it's our business for you to buy our programs and it's support helps support the business but honestly when i'm telling that to one person then buying all our programs they're gonna do shit for us or the business that makes a difference either way it's really like how do how how do you not do that because i learned most of everything and okay you guys just rattled off four or five six different books that you you've learned that from we all have yeah 20 years plus experience now uh national certifications range you from 800 to $2000 a pop and i'm talking about sometimes more i'm talking four or five of those is where i'm saying i got a good chunk of the stuff that i've learned for programming so i guess you could go out and buy all those things and invest all those things or the are you could buy every one of our programs for the price of one of those national certifications and that's what it is it's literally is the uh you know the combined knowledge of all three of us of all those things that we've read expand and then also experience with clients and then put it into programming and then unpack it i mean that's uh we we name the phases we name the programs there's avatars that we build around it who we say there for we talk all about them so you should know like oh this fits this demographic okay well the let's see what the guys did oh what they did in phase one oh what they do in phase two is like oh and then start to piece that together and apply that yourself i mean i just think that that's one of the best ways that you could possibly that's how i'd want to learn at least like if i if i could go back and there was something like this um i then i maybe i wouldn't had to buy eight national certifications maybe i would have bought one or two and then i would have just had all of your guys's programs and listen to the show and then i would like okay i get this i get what what's going on you know you also also this sounds silly i mean i guess not uh is to your experience with yourself like not that this will teach you everything it won't because everybody's so different but to experience what it feels like to let's say squat after you deadlift right not a good idea right but you experience it and be like oh i probably shouldn't program it this way or why on paper some exercises look like they may create more stress in the body but an application that's not the case if there's a lot of there's a lot of situations like that when you look at extras oh this one is compound it should provide more stress and then when you do it like wait a minute that's that's not the experience at all that my this skill is a little too complicated to implement right now yes develop their way up to that point to be able to perform it well and i feel like the second part of this question is the same thing with the meal plan thing it's like uh well one uh i don't give meal plans i stopped giving meal plans over 10 years ago yeah clients instead what i have them do is tell me how they already currently eat i then assess it and then i make adjustments and that there's no one plan or one book you can read to figure that out i mean that's like you have to understand nutrition you have to understand rda's on macro micro nutrients and then understand through trial and error and practice of like oh how do people report when they or are low in fiber what are some of the common things here like and and what's neat we do live in a chat gbt google era that you could actually probably google and journal and take notes on all these things but a lot of that is just getting in there and practicing and no one you know no two clients are going to be exactly the same even if their goal is the same you have two clients both are women at 35 both want to lose 25 pounds uh and they could be completely different nutritionally one of them grossly under consumes protein and is deprived of healthy fats the other one uh over consumes uh sugar but gets plenty of fiber and needs plenty of i mean it could be a thousand different variables in that and so we're learning how to write a meal plan to me is not a great understanding nutrition not to mention the adherence like what you're describing in terms of those methodologies like it's like 99 9 point cent more effective than handing somebody like here's your most optimal way i want you to i want the only people if you're a trainer or coach the only people you should be writing meal plans for are competitors people who compete and get on stage and they have to have everything with if you're writing meal plans for your average client you're doing something wrong that's about and even then even with my competitors i still assess the diet and still attack i still tackle the same way a good resource gay though is uh your nci right nutrition coaching institute and they deal a lot with the coaching around nutrition right and uh i think precision is another great uh company out there i think nci is better because i think they do a better job of teaching the application but if you just want the the heavy knowledge i think precision is great but you need to have knowledge around nutrition not knowledge around building meal plans because they're they're different next question is from hoop golf 89 what are your thoughts on rhodiola rhodiola rhodiola the the soviets loved rhodiola so this is one of the first one of the only i should say sorry not my first rhodiola right guys nice it's one of the only herbs uh or botanicals or supplements natural supplements that has a lot of data supporting its uh efficacy it literally does what it says that it does alright so what what is rhodiola do well it improves mental clarity athletic performance in particular stamina and endurance it it does promote wakefulness so not like caffeine but in a way in in a slightly uh similar way to where you do get a little bit of a boost in energy and it does improve your body's tolerance to stress which might help you with how your body adapts to exercise in terms of muscle building fat loss and there are some studies at point that it may help with with muscle building and fat loss too probably is such a small extent you won't notice what you'll mostly notice on rhodiola is faster recovery lower stress you're going to feel sharper and you'll have more stamina it's one of the only it's like up there with like ashwagandha it's like one of the only ones up there that um because there's a lot of herbs and stuff out that they they try to tout for certain things rhodiola's got data a lot of data that supports uh isn't it the one that i don't like though too much you don't like so like me yeah because there are some things i think that we've taken that i i haven't had that effect but there are some supplements where i have taken in the rhodiola and i swear it makes me feel bad yeah that's one of the ones for me so like if you pull up by the way there's a good website called examine.com if you're ever looking to look up a supplement or a compound and they do compile all the data um and studies and they for whatever you're looking up and it it's clear and this is on examine which i trust i trust this site because every time i cross reference or studies and stuff they're they're being you know they're good it's clear that rhodiola increases resilience to stress at both the cellular and systemic levels the soviet study this for their soldiers that's what they study this is to see if it would be something and they did establish this would be something to give to soldiers to be able to fight better uh in the cold in the heat without as much food without as much sleep and without as much water so it's interesting now i know i just made it sound like super serum or something like it's not going to turn you into captain america but uh of all the herbs that are out there for exercise performance benefits this is one of the ones you'll probably feel if you took it that'll get turned into a commercial for someone watch next question is from mason burnt what is the average pricing for training per hour oh man that's where in the country varies substantially right you know it's interesting about this i mean okay your here's who determines the price of your training you and the consumer in other words how much you're we want to charge and then how much people are willing to pay okay so you know now that we're done with econ 101 like so what do i what do i charge like we're well okay depends on what your perceived authority is how much value you've now presented to the person that you're talking to and of course you have to calculate in there what you're willing to work for and your circumstances if you're brand new if you have no experience you're just getting started you know this the most valuable thing to you besides money is practice is experience is practice yeah i mean i have i have strong opinions around coaches and trainers that get hung up on this i'm not going to train for less right well they're like i want to be competitive what's everyone it's like if you were entering the market i would i would look around and see what the trainer's pricing and then i would price under that right away and get experience and get experience and that's the first goal the first goal is not hey i'm gonna get rich doing this hey it's like can i can i price myself under what others are pricing and do for free and and get my book filled can i get enough people to where i can't take any more people on that's goal one now goal two is i'm going to get all kinds of practice and i'm going to learn on all of these people now that i'm coaching up and then and only then if do i feel confident that like okay i've i've got a lot of hours under my belt now and i'm feeling confident i'm getting people results and now i'm getting more people that want to come on but then i don't have any slots great now the inevitable happen clients will fall off clients will get the results clients will move and spots will eventually open up or contracts will be due for renewal now i start moving my prices up now every person coming on after that is higher than what the one was before and i'm just going to keep moving that up as i feel more and more confident in my abilities and so but too many trainers get worried about what they should price themselves on and what they should be most worried about is getting to 10,000 hours because it literally is going to take you close to that before you even truly think you're that experience is more valuable and that's a long time that's a long time of working to get to 10,000 hours so worrying about how competitive your pricing is right now early on you're just you're way ahead of yourself like go prove and by the way that same philosophy applied with what we did here it's not like we sat down go like hey what should we sell maps programs for or how much should we charge for advertising like when we are starting the podcast no you know what we did let's go prove somebody wants to listen to this yeah let's go prove if they don't want to listen for free they're going to be exactly let's go prove that we have enough free valuable content that we can attract potentially thousands or maybe even millions of people to listen to us then we'll start worrying about go earn that authority yes and that's the thing is really because this is such a people will will go to who they their friend recommends like you build a reputation when you're starting out and so to be more professional and to be the one that's taking it the most serious is your career is the is the focus that's like and as many people they can get into practice and improve and and create like systems and figure all this stuff out where i'm in such high demand that now i'm just naturally it'll show itself to you like i gotta raise rates just in order to fit you in uh and to limit the volume that i have yeah to give an exact like so you might you know people like i want examples i okay i trained in the bay area silicon valley so already things are more expensive here so people expect to pay more rent is more expensive etc i also had a studio in los gatos which is a small suburb that is a more affluent suburb so people you know typically will spend even more there whatever um and this was uh 12 10 10 years ago the last time i trained people so we're talking 10 years ago and at at that point i had already had a lot of experience i'd already trained people for you know over you know one and a half decades like 15 years at that point i'd already had lots of experience i knew what i was doing had built a good reputation my top per session rate was $150 back then just to give people an example of what what that would look like um but you know depends on the area and all that stuff and what people will give you here's a good thing if you're a trainer good good thing to pay attention to if this one always this is a very common mistake that trainers will make if your books are so full and you have a wait list that is a sign that you're charging too little that means your value is so high versus your price that you have people waiting to get on your books and you already trained too many people raise your prices yeah raise your prices till the where you don't have a way if you have a wait list you're charging too little your your your short changing but that's a good goal to try and get to that yes like that's what most trainers should be striving to get at is can i get to a place where i've got a wait list and then then you have a lot more now i'll say this for the consumer someone listening how much should i pay for a trainer you you need to forget the pay for a second what do you want out of it do you want just someone to exercise you well then just find the cheapest guy or girl doesn't matter do you want to get results that last forever do you want to have someone train you and guide you in a way to where you can really figure this out figure out your body they train you properly you don't get hurt you feel good it doesn't feel like you're surviving your workouts it feels like you're thriving that they're sticks and it lasts they yeah they're creating an environment where you want to show up this is you're starting to develop and build this relationship with exercise like you know what i think i finally have found a way to do this for the rest of my life and i feel good and things are changing and it's sustainable and great if you find that then the most expensive trainer in your area whatever they charge is worth it because you know you spend if you spend five imagine imagine if you could guarantee yourself that if you're listening right now and you want those things for yourself and i told you it'll cause and guaranteed if i had a magic one i said guaranteed i'll wipe away this one and all the things i just said will happen to you how much would you spend on that i bet you it's a lot more than what most trainers were charged so as a consumer don't don't don't be screwed up by the perception of what people charge and what that sounds too expensive what if it works it's worth it if it works it's worth it because there's there's great trainers out there the experience that and as good as there's good trainers out there there's ones that are really really bad as well that aren't worth it's not even worth paying them to training that's what i'm trying to say look if you love the show especially if you're a coach or trainer here's what you gotta do january 15th i'm doing a three-day training for trainers and coaches for three days i'm teaching trainers and coaches how to become better and more successful you can sign up for it at mindpumptrainer.com and it's free totally free go check it out you can also find all of us on instagram justin is at mind pump justin i'm at mind pump to stephen oh and adam is at mind pump adam