 Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime Podcast season 2 episode 83 the first one of 2024 well you know it we entered a new year and switch to just keeps going so I guess we're gonna open up by talking about that in a moment but before we really get into that we got to go around the room introduce our guests and see what we have been playing lately we'll start directly next to me say Iran how's it going buddy hey how you doing say Iran I've been playing star ocean was it the second story are which actually looks really beautiful on the switch especially if you're playing on the OLED and handheld it looks really really great I specifically try to get more g rpgs on the switch instead of like PlayStation X or something like that it's just taking them on the go it's it's I mean no better way to play yeah yeah I hear you on that let me up Paul Gale network back on the show how's it going buddy and what have you been playing lately good thanks for having me having you here um they're not really new titles but uh lego star wars since my kids are really into star wars right now we got lightsabers for christmas and stuff like that so we've been busting through those games or you know the different movies on the one cartridge and hogwarts legacy since they're also into harry potter so that kind of works well so nothing new just yet but yeah it's a good way to break I wish a certain someone was on the show right now so you can convince them hogwarts legacy on switches worth playing is wrong and I have an analogy for that I have an analogy for that hogwarts legacy on nintendo switch is your basic v6 dodge charger there's nothing wrong with a v6 dodge charger yeah when you compare it to a v8 model or a helicat those look better but if you don't know about those there's nothing wrong with the one that you've got when you start comparing then you're like oh well I want that but guess what your v6 gets more mileage and so does a portable gaming console like a tennis player so there you go there you go and it's on sale it's on sale on top right now but Eric what do you got going on buddy what are you been playing uh some cheers the kingdom um and doing the great scale and adventure right now literally flying around the waterfalls right now trying to light the fires so nice nice and then we have I think for the first time ever on our show anyways Andre from game explain how's it going bud and what are you playing it's going good thanks for having me uh I've been playing the best racing game of all time being f0 99 addicted to that game can't get enough especially the whole winter season everything damn yeah the winter is pretty fun on that one uh pictures do you have sorry Andre oh god I've I I love track I mean not to say it's like super high or anything I think it's in the teens probably close to 20 maybe 24 than I have uh yeah so I'm I'm the host Nintendo Prime we beat Super Mario RPG first time ever first time ever playing it uh beat it happy that I beat it uh probably never pick it up again and that's okay I don't have the nostalgia everyone else does for it it's like a beginner's rpg and that's okay I'm glad I can now at least say it in the repertoire of all the games I played I can now say I have officially played this one I think thousand near doors a better game and I'll get to play replay that again next year so that'll be our next year this this year holy crap it's 2024 kind of forget what I never played thousand your door no I played thousand your door is it okay I've never played it oh you've never played it oh I had a game cube and everything I just never played my brother he chose all the games all the brother and he didn't care about it so I never got to play it so and every time I try to I try to uh tactfully play it another by other methods uh I just didn't work out so man yeah hopefully you get to play it this year it's good don't know what it's coming up but it's good just 2024 all right well uh we got some uh good old topics given to which of course I do not have open after I just shared it a moment ago it's life I swear we're professional here the first thing we're actually gonna talk about uh just to kind of get out of the way is the flash cart situation that's something that cropped up about a week ago the mig switch flash cart uh and there's just been a few updates well I mean the biggest update right now is technically it's for sale on one particular website it was it sold out pretty quickly I was like $65 USD uh so that was one update to it the other update is there seems to be some loose DNS and IP connections uh linking this potentially back to Gary Bowser uh who was part of team executor and everyone knows at this point was infamously well infamously for himself I suppose Nintendo kind of wrecked him in a lawsuit uh and he owes Nintendo millions and millions of dollars so kind of interesting if he's actually connected he has publicly denied that he has any part in it but you know IP tracking and emails and everything seemed to point towards them I have no idea that's for Nintendo's legal team to decide if they want to do anything with that um so the real question is what what do you guys think about this entire situation and surrounding like the flash card segment this isn't new Nintendo's had this have reported like the r4 cards and stuff like that on ds and 3ds like do you guys have any thoughts on just the flash card in general both from like hey it is kind of cool to back up your own games but also hey we know why these things are popular and that's not really why I mean we gotta be awesome no one's backing up their own games here that's not what this is about they claim when you buy it it comes with a thing to back up your game yeah I haven't read too much into like how if this has been fully demonstrated yet you know it has it has been independently verified yet that actually works as they claim yeah so there was that one video but it appears that that wasn't independent at all so with it being for sale and now sold it's just ones that she's going to show up to someone's house to try it I mean at this point let's just say that Nintendo is darn lucky if this is accurate that they have a switch to coming down the line because the r4 card for anyone who remembers that era like almost everyone I knew practically had one allowed easy access to whatever you wanted to play essentially and I'm sure it you know heard game sales to some degree so Nintendo is extremely lucky it this does work as as stated which is an incredibly easy way of playing games you may not have purchased on your switch that they have a successor coming that I assume won't fall victim to you know the same fate because this could spread like wildfire and be a major problem for Nintendo on the current switch yeah I have a question about this thing because I'm not a hundred percent caught up on I'm seeing tweets and things do you have to have a hack switch or work on any switch works on any switch that's what they claim that's the problem exactly but uh I think it is like what Andre said it's just it's just it's time for a switch too because it's it's that we're at that point where people like okay I know how to tinker with this thing well enough to to you know make something like this so yeah hey that's a little risky there even though it's not good that it exists for Nintendo it's also not a product that's going to be in best buys and targets and Walmart and amazon free link game stops so the moms and pops out there that are buying games and buying devices for their kids aren't just going to be picking it up will a million hurt their 140 million install base but you know Nintendo doesn't want any kind of negativity in people backing up their games of course so it's still not good that it's out for them but it will be nipped pretty quickly probably yeah I mean the concern if I was Nintendo right now because you know we presume that the new systems this year so if there's backwards compatibility will somehow work with switch to and will that be a process in which hackers can maybe use to get access to switch to obviously we don't know because so true isn't announced yet we don't know pretty much anything officially about it but it is it is interesting because the our four cards I remember they eventually got in the work on the 3ds as well and I know that was one way they actually used to access the 3ds at one point so that's like a concern if I was Nintendo I'd have that like hey however this is working and mimicking our cards is that the same way we're reading the cards and switch to because if it is then this is now a vulnerability potentially for a system that's not even out yet that could be in manufacturing right now so that you know and again this obviously presumes this thing is a real verified product which we can't technically say yet because it just went on sale and it hasn't arrived or anyone's house yet but I'm sure that's just a matter of time give it a few weeks and there'll probably be videos of people trying to use it and and all of that Eric what do you think about stuff like this because obviously it's a massive piracy device but I mean there are some people that probably want to use it legit there's probably some oh I'm sure there are yeah no for sure um you know if I'm Nintendo I'm getting a few of these things and I don't know what if they bought about the website yeah they just buy them out no I'm I'm buying a few of these things and trying to figure out if there's anything possible that is unique across or that is um common across all of them that I can identify a you know a meg switch cartridge and just completely shit can it on uh entry into a to switch to where it just doesn't my concern at this point would be probably if it can impact switch to because switches so far along it's already 1.2 billion software sales and growing um I don't know that it's so late in the life cycle compared to when it happened with DS that I don't know that it's going to hurt Nintendo that much today but it's all about like hey if it could somehow work with the next system that is going to be a problem especially there's going to be cross generation gaming um because you know now you can potentially have like at your prime four is on both systems while you just get the rom file for the switch variant and now you're playing it on switch too and maybe even with the upgrades that might be there with it uh especially if it's you know not identifiable now supposedly Nintendo has something where obviously uh each each individual cartridge and game has like its own identifier so Nintendo's are like they've already been brick and switches for quite some time um but everyone knows you just don't go online you just avoid going online and Nintendo can't do anything so uh it's quite interesting and again I know there's so many probably even in the chat that you really want this just to be legit you're tired of carrying around 17 000 switch cartridges I could just dump them all and put them on and those are your own individual IDs as far as we're aware Nintendo can't break your switch forward it's still going to be a risk because Nintendo is going to do everything they can to try to detect this device if it's in your switch um even possibly finally releasing a firmware that it doesn't support because just because it supports all current firmwares doesn't mean it'll support future ones because you know Nintendo is going to get their hands on this thing and try to reverse engineer the hell out of it um especially for their next system I guarantee it probably won't work day one on the next system if it does oh man this sounds like a tegra x1 situation when they could just hack the switch day one by crossing some pins um you don't want a known vulnerability before your system even comes out uh so it's quite fascinating and again if Gary Bowser is connected I just I mean the dude's going back to jail then I don't yeah that's a dumb thing for you yeah he didn't learn his lesson he did not learn his lesson at all at all if he's behind this at all it could be bowser det hacker could be bowser jr is that is that what we think he is he is bowser jr because we have the real bowser and duggy oh man that's not a good yeah what what what a complete mess I I don't know I mean look the device like this is probably always going to exist this is the thing that happens and they have a cartridge based system this is a common thing that ends up coming around eventually so here's hoping that uh I guess my only concern is hey nintendo I hope this doesn't make you not want to have backwards compatibility with physical cartridges because that would really suck um I was just about to say it sounds like it's actually even worse for consumers like hey we only have digital backwards compatibility because of this thing have a good day oh that would be rough um please don't find a way to find a way to combat this thing hopefully this thing just isn't like real like it just it's just a fart in the wind and they're just trying to get headlines I don't know for any of our reasons people like their 15 seconds of fame all right well I think that's that's probably all we really need to talk about that they don't want to suddenly want to add about it because it kind of just sucks this thing exists if any of you guys have experience using an r4 card it's okay I'm not gonna turn the end of the nintendo pirates over here because it was very popular yes last year though yeah and we've had people in the show have had hack switches and so I'm careful people customize your switches not technically against the law maybe just don't open the admit to piracy the hint um all right well then I think that's a good transition into our our big topic for the show and remember guys we do have a q and a section for the people watching live you guys can just do two dollars super chats we'll get to that stuff during that q and a section but this is the big topic because look we're in a new year and switch to seemingly from all evidence and all reports and all insiders and all analysts it's coming this year and there's probably a number of reasons that you can just think logically for that this year march third begins the eighth year of switch so that's already a really long time to be in the same generation we have sort of a lighter lineup announced at the moment for the system only one brand new nintendo published game everything else is ports and remasters uh which is if you look at nintendo that's kind of what they do towards the end of generations lots of ports and remasters they did it with 3ds uh i'd say they did it with wiiu but they just kind of abandon that ship i don't blame them um and then you just look at all the other stuff nintendo wanting to be different because one thing they have going on here in this seventh year of switch is that switch is selling incredibly well uh for the seventh year of the platform projected to hit 15 million in sales 200 plus million in software sales that's incredible like nintendo doesn't have that happen in year seven uh and most companies don't really that's just a lot of sales still but for a cow has been saying for years and years and years they like they get up here and then they fall the heck off um and one thing nintendo's done for years and years and years is sort of melt their successful systems they keep them going a little bit too long um until nobody really cares so that is one argument that for switch to actually come out this year would be hey it's still a popular concept and it works for playstation they're always popular in the final year when they drop a new system so why wouldn't we maybe learn a lesson from the competitor that keeps selling 100 million units wouldn't we like to sell 100 million every time that would be nice that'd be nice we just knew we were gonna sell 100 mil so we have that happening and then you throw out a bunch of new rumors and and analyst reports like nash weadle whether you guys believe this guy or not i don't know but uh you're saying that we're gonna get a bayonetta collection we're gonna get a ton of collections and imports and stuff like that so this is pretty believable that we would get a bayonetta one two three collection but what's cool is that this would be upgraded it has some hdr which is the first time hdr has been brought up with switch two i think most of us it's pretty common i don't know why it wouldn't have hdr this way i know switch doesn't but i just kind of figured it would have that but there'll also be a performance upgrade and frame rate one of the cool things though because this is something that we don't have confirmed and it's still not confirmed because just a rumor uh he says if you already own the games on switch you can get these upgrades for free so you just put your switch cartridge in so one backwards compatibility two you get the upgrades for free you don't have to buy a new version of the game to get it that's what we kind of hope i think right are we wrong is that what we hope like if nintendo is going to offer upgrades to games if you already own them you just get those upgrades you don't have to buy a deluxe version or something i i just don't expect it you don't expect it i think playstation already kind of set the tone of hey one we can charge seven dollars for our games and two we can make people like pay for the upgrade path like third party have done the free which i always appreciate but i mean i just don't see nintendo going do we really want to pass up you know people want breath or tiz the kingdom is 60 fes do we really want to pass up that 10 bucks well okay so are we all in agreement that there probably will be backwards compatibility in the first place because not nintendo typically does that one gen right they always typically do the one gen at least right yeah okay so then what okay what what do the rest of you think about this idea that like do you think nintendo is going to offer free upgrades on the games or are they going to force us to have to rebuy new versions out of the same game to get those upgrades if case by case if this was the new era it would be free they would pay you to upgrade it was like buy a game get pigment three free you know buy this box of cereal and scan this code on your nintendo club accounts and get donkey hunk hunter tropical freeze free they were trying to give as many games because they were struggling a company that's struggling is more willing to like let's you know claw for anything to get you to stay into the ecosystem not to say that you get too confided when you're too successful because nintendo i don't think they have done that this generation with nintendo switch but also since they don't have to going into their successor they don't necessarily have to be over generous with everything being free not to say they're gonna charge but they they could they're definitely in a position where they could charge and it could be fair hey we've given you a top quality product for the last seven years never have any gaps having a the best rated in most cases games in each franchise the best selling games in each franchise it kind of speaks to its point of worth there hasn't been an official price drop that's been widespread that's been long-lasting it's a very different structure if the games have held up for seven years at 60 bucks what is five dollar for upgrade for these high quality titles that could definitely be a selling point maybe third parties or lesser successful games would be free and the bigger ones would be not it's kind of the weird thing it's like why do celebrities get the free swag you know like you see Paris Milton getting the free GameCube she doesn't need it it's what you can do with you know how high up you are and that kind of translates well so i would like to see it free but personally i don't think it needs to be and i also wouldn't mind in a way paying a small portion like that five to ten dollar range for a significantly patched improved resolution frame rate graphics experience and i'm like that that's worth it instead of having to buy it all over again maybe a few key titles will have that repurchase it but that's kind of where i'm sitting i can see it happening on this way or that way kind of don't mind if it is yeah it's it's interesting paul because when you were talking about how nintendo have paid us to you know for these during the we you era which is hilarious but then i was reminded the fact that they did charge us for the virtual console upgrades from we to we you for i forget what it was a handful of dollars um which was still more than i wanted to spend on a library i had already purchased and uh you know in this case i could totally you know i could totally see them charging again like nintendo i think is showing like if they think they can charge for something they will such as how they now charge for online gaming which used to be free on their platforms and i wouldn't be surprised if they look at it as you know why should we give us some this free benefit they should have to pay for it and uh people will you know if people won't play prophet the wild in 4k 60 as was rumored to be demonstrated they they probably will try capitalize on that um that's not to say i think for sure they'll do it i think it'd be a nice you know good will gesture to let anyone who does have an existing library upgrade for free but no nintendo you know i wouldn't put anything past them so i think it's possible that you try to charge individually which i mean to be fully fair i don't think is necessarily unfair i would just of course prefer for it to be free yeah do you think they might consider like adding it as a because this this could help them a little bit too add it as a bonus to like nintendo switch online like if you're a subscriber then you can get it for free oh you know nintendo switch online almost every it almost shouldn't be called nintendo switch online because people just associate oh i gotta pay 50 bucks a year to play nintendo games online when in reality it's kind of masked behind you're getting backup saves to your games and you're getting tetris 99 and episode 99 thrown in there and these one week trials and hundreds of classic games oh and by the way they're not they're not saying mario 35 because i was gonna well you know what's coming out in april right oh here we go yes bring it up bring it up con let's do tetris uh no sorry not tetris duck 40 is coming out this april for the 40th anniversary that'd be great not i hope i hope you're like hey hey well is this a sorcery or something because i you know i will i will rock that duck hunt to say about not at all but like you can imagine as you shoot the ducks they fall and they scatter onto the other people sorry totally derailed but yeah and i ask a question to everybody sure what what games if you could individually pick which games you will want to pay the ten dollar or whatever upgrade fee which ones would you would you pick i would pick uh legends arceus i just love that game it's it's great to me bayonetta three i i know we're gonna talk about the bayonetta you know but i love bayonetta so there are certain games i would pay for like if they gave me the option to pay for specific games okay cool i would rather them all be free but obviously you know development time things like that they may not be the case but if i could pay for them individually there's like three or four i would i wouldn't i wouldn't baton at mario odyssey yeah it already looks beautiful and ran well but doesn't even look like the superman i'll take a crispy 4k i'll take crispy 4k if that's included yeah i'd pay for that um the zelda games here's the kingdom breath of the wild getting those in 60 fps 4k would be just new textures too i mean don't forget about yeah could be new lighting systems yeah see and that would actually definitely justify the cost more if it's more than just a you know standard upgrade and resolution and uh frame rate they actually go in and upgrade them a lot you know twilight prince of the hd or when waker hd that would fully justify that cost that was it depending on what the cost is of course but i think that could totally i could totally see that happening i feel like they almost have to right because you know obviously every single switch game at this point i mean it's been this way forever can be can be played on pc um some modders are already doing this stuff for free uh so like if you're not including you know better upgrades or some significant upgrades that you know i think some people might be like oh well i see videos on youtube when i look up 4k tears of the kingdom this looks a little bit better than what i'm getting on my switch too what is going on uh so they almost would have to like add but if we're not every game of course like i don't know that how much they could really add to like curvy in the forgotten land to really do that better per se but there are certain games like bayonetta 3 as an example or the zelda games uh we're you know upgrading some of those textures and um new lighting and and just you know new shadow techniques and stuff like that could end up really making a big difference in games like splatoon splatoon okay luigi's mansion 3 that the game already looks so good it does it does but if you can make that even better oh man i can't even imagine that's the thing this is why i'm not a game maker i can't imagine how to make that game better i think that game's gonna look incredible to me in like 20 years from like wind waker did 20 years ago oh yeah yeah yeah when they did when they did the whole wind waker ratio i was like is this better i'm uh it's widescreen it's also blinding me more so i can't see as much i don't know if it's good or not but oh man so we're saying it's an amity the warriors games absolutely yeah there you go yeah the warrior rates on those finally yeah like 30 yeah just mark that 30 frames per second people pay for 30 yeah so you know what i've been thinking about this more to be fully honest i actually don't you know i'd love the idea of it like you know i'm upgrading lighting and textures and whatnot i don't see it happening except maybe in a handful of rare cases just because that is actually still a lot of work i think it'd be like the biggest games yeah that's the only way i can really see it maybe like and i would see it almost being marketed as like you know a more hd version of these games like i don't know a 4k version if they want marketed that way or something yeah and they would obviously have like a switch to version that if you don't own the game you just go you know buy the by the switch to version and this comes out way yeah yeah man do you think they use 4k as the moniker like they say like how we say one waker hd are they gonna say one waker 4k not one waker 4k which you know what i mean are you think they're gonna that's what they're gonna do they're still using hd we just matching to hd yeah yeah it's so interesting to use hd and deluxe seemingly arbitrarily um you know i don't know it seems a little bit unlike nintendo but you know at the same time if 4k actually is the selling point of the switch i think it's possible and especially because you know we don't know where they're with their name in this thing yet it probably won't be switch 4k but it could be switched for exactly it could be switched 4k and they'll make a ton of sense then in that case and that would be a good name to keep the brand name of nintendo switch that you've developed for the last seven eight years and also definitely significantly say that this is a different console this is the nintendo switch 4k oh my old one clearly didn't do that and yeah and technically it is the fourth switch after the light and ola here we go i mean i can see them using 4k pretty often it it's it's a common term used now just out in public you know all your tv's are it's hard to even find ones under 4k they all say 4k on the box everywhere i can i can see them using it quite a bit now i don't know they're gonna brand it like a switch 4k but i can see them using that on some of the games uh that they poured over a remaster definitely i mean look they already said they're already using hd which technically could be 720p or 1080p i just please don't go ultra hd don't go u hd can we just stop using that term sorry it's really annoying it's like we have a term it's call it 4k what are we doing um all right well there's some other uh switch to uh stuff floating out there uh potentially some japanese developers seem pretty excited uh i shouldn't say potentially they are acting excited but it's hard to know where it's coming from if they're just commenting like i mean they probably wanted to come across as they're just commenting on the public reports of switch to because if they have and i i'm presuming companies like koi tecmo and capcom have dev kits uh they can't talk about it nda's and all that uh but we had multiple developers come out and talk about how excited they are for new systems this year and koi tecmo in particular said the new nintendo system this year uh so one thing that was nice about that because really the big takeaway from that was we've heard from a lot of insiders or even reporters like andy robinson and others about like oh system coming 2024 2024 2024 so the first time developers spoke publicly and we're like hey new nintendo system this year we're excited um it's not a confirmation it's coming this year they're not nintendo but i do find it i think it's a good sign i think it's a good sign it's coming this year if game developers are talking about it come in this year i mean these are big partner companies with nintendo too like they literally make games for nintendo so i don't know i mean are we not that we needed this nail of the coffin but are we like that are we like 100 sold it's coming this year i'm like 95 sure but there's always that small chance where it won't be i mean how many years have been speculating on a switch pro switch successor and it hasn't come come true yet now the thing is that will come true eventually and the farther along we are from 2017 the more likely it is and every year we'll be right someday yeah i can tell it gets me quite a bit switch pro is not the same device guys wasn't the same device but i think in fact as you were talking about earlier like looking at the switch lined up right now which is like you know remake remaster remake you know remake remaster in a random princess peach game which looks awesome by the way not to discredit us but excited it's just yeah it looks awesome i won't play it but it's a very it's a you know it looks like it looks like a final year system lineup potentially or less i hope it is does that be afraid of what the full final lineup would be if this isn't the year of switch too um i don't remember go ahead please no i was gonna say i don't remember a year of switch so far where we entered without knowing about a major game that people want because even coming in even coming into 2017 we knew about breath of the wild you know even you know this year right we are tears of the kingdom we knew was coming it hadn't been the 2020 we knew about the first game coming that year so animal crossing it's like we know every year about at least one major system seller heading into the year and it's princess peach showtime um something feels a little different this year compared to the prior ones this is going to be a bayonet origin situation i'm going to be on twitter yelling about it for the next three years i promise you i like being an origin that's a good game yeah i think i think that really does speak to the fact there's a big announcement coming nintendo can't tease anything related to it yet or show anything because they need the hardware to be announced they're holding back that's what that's what i think and well we're getting this so long because i was talking about hey this doesn't mean we're gonna get this thing revealed sooner than later because if they're holding back how long do they want to hold back um maybe they can make it through march through the end of the fiscal year maybe because they have you know the lineup and they have princess peach showtime but once showtime's out i mean there's no time you gotta show something now you can't just be like oh don't worry we'll just drop a really different thousand your door i'm like okay that's cool but there's where's the new games like your nintendo you drop like five or ten new games a year what would be what's going on it's an unpopular here's what we're gonna know i was saying here's what we're gonna know when visions of mona gets a release date we'll know because they haven't announced a switch port at all but it's a mana game this what they said won't switch i love what was uh when i played i know they had two um trials i think trials love that game but i think screenings they're not gonna not drop that on switch they're they're waiting so i think that's what we'll know when like that time period and when that game drops i think we'll know that if that if that game doesn't end up on switch or switch to i'm gonna be i don't know i have to be sad i have the other systems i'll play it still i'm just like come on i've played the entire series on nintendo systems don't do this to me don't do this to me huge mana fan uh and yeah that i think that's probably another one like i think about the games that even showed at the game awards like how many of them are actually switched to as well but they couldn't say it you know like as an example hey is the next that monster hunter wilds game is that coming over because uh it starts to come until 2025 and monster hunter sells incredible on nintendo systems i they absolutely want to take advantage of that but it's not going to be on switch so um then the dragon ball game as well dragon ball z game i think it's gonna get the dragon ball game yeah that looked good too uh so then we had you know at least one of my favorite industry analyst dr cirkin todo uh out there giving his predictions for the year and and it made a bunch of headlines today because he's not your average uh predictor one he always has something nintendo related in two because of some tweets he threw out there he teased a few couple zella announcements a smidge early before they happened letting you know that hey i do actually know people at nintendo so hi also i go to all the investors meetings how you doing because i'm talking about it dear and everyone oh and by the way today in his quotes he literally said i know switch pro dev kits were out there i knew developers that had them i'm just i mean he's just literally flaunting i know people uh so while he's given predictions sometimes it can come with a little bit of actual knowledge behind the scenes but he's never going to tell you that specifically because again get people in trouble and he doesn't want to go to those nintendo meetings and maybe not be allowed through the door um so uh today he he basically put out there a few things that he's expecting for this system this year one obviously for it to release this year uh that it's going to be more of a iterative i don't know why we're interactive iterative platform uh so it's going to be another switch uh although he said nintendo might do something unique or something with it but for the most part if you played switch this is going to just feel like a sequel to that uh that he thinks it's going to be about four hundred dollars which is like what the common price point has been expected with the olad b in 350 uh and the big thing that people might not want to hear $70 games maybe was expected after tears of the kingdom but uh what are our thoughts on on that like let's just start with the fact that it's an iterative platform do we think nintendo's going to do any like crazy gimmick with this thing to make it like massively stand out or is it just going to really feel like you're just playing another switch i mean i think it'll be closer to that than anything i mean i think there's a possibility you'll have some kind of you know unique input thing on the control or nothing insane i mean at this point i don't know what more they could do motion controls are out there vr is already exploring you know something that i'm assuming switch to really can make it so i don't need this just just bigger bigger joy cons yeah that'd be bigger more ergonomic joy cons please i think i was talking about this on twitter this morning i think the bigger i i mean i think the the clearest sign of it being iterative than anything else is the fact that that had child nintendo has operated throughout entire history every time they had the success they followed up with it with an iterative console and yes the super NES n64 the game cube the s2 uh 3ds game boy the game boy called it in gba um we do we you and the thing is they keep doing that until it stops working for them which is why they didn't switch it up for the following generation um and i think i also think too but to put that aside they'd be they'd be silly not to just iterate on it the switch is a massive success and even if it's selling a little bit less now than it has in years past it's still doing absurdly well especially for a console and it's you know what eighth year is we were saying and the switch is such a strong brand unlike the Wii at a similar point in its lifespan that it it only makes sense to continue on what they did with a switch build on and make it more powerful and i don't think anyone's really asking for much more now you could say there's a little bit more competition out there now like with a steam deck but even that isn't in the same you know anywhere in the same realm of a proper competitor like proper full console competitor like xbox or sony and they're not exploring anything in the hybrid space in the hybrid space really so i think at this point iterative makes sense and i fully buy into all of uh all of their predictions that they made uh eric what are you thinking over here 400 bucks good price bad price oh you know it's not terrible um i'm trying to remember what the heck the actual switch came on at two nine i believe yeah i mean if it's that much more powerful i you know it's not the end of the world so well and you're someone who's been holding on to your launch switch this entire time if anyone's ready to upgrade it's yeah i needed it to come out yesterday i got cracks in this thing that are you know i'm kind of surprised that this thing is stole together still kicking yeah hey but that again says something about nintendo's quality of making shit have you had to replace the joy cons ever uh yeah i've had yeah i'm that's what i'm asking that's the one thing i remember we took apart made one yeah yeah i remember doing that's why i was like technically yeah the way of it was a repair job happening that might have been but lastly yeah yeah no i got cracks in my my case and whatnot but you know again it's not dead or you know i've dropped it a couple times well for a system you have in your hands all the time like unlike the nintendo home console that just sit there like it's in your hands all the time so there's there's gonna be a bit more wear and tear um i mean you guys see that with the ds's and three ds's and when you buy used ones all the screens are always messed up pretty normal yeah 400 bucks like if it's because that puts it right in line you know with like a a PlayStation 5 digital edition and stuff like that uh but it's handheld i i don't know that that like the handheld market's always been really big for nintendo uh even like they're worse selling handheld in the 3ds so 75 million i guess it's it's just it's still an insane number to even think about because at one point that was like right in line with the nes which was their best selling home console for a long time till we came out so it's insane to think like one people that i've seen out there say that oh nintendo nintendo is going to go back they're going to surprise us all and go back into a home console and i'm like they're not going to abandon handheld let's no but that ain't going to i don't think the handheld part is optional for nintendo especially when they got the pokemon company involved and that's something that circuit order brought up to get like do you guys know how big pokemon is they're not leaving like pokemon is directly associated to handle they're not leaving handheld space especially in japan it's so big in japan handheld gaming um and then also look why would they need to it looks like other people are trying to get into what nintendo is doing not out of uh and they're just not able to do it at that same success and a lot of that's because people trying to get out of the pc aside and look there's exclusives on pc but they're often built with you know desktops and laptops in mind more so than controllers uh and they obviously can't market it like you know an aya nia comes out they can't market oh we got exclusive games these other handheld pc things don't have no because you all play the same games uh whereas nintendo literally has the ultimate marketing hey we got pokemon mario zelda animal crosses platoon you know heck f zero we can now hey hey we can now falcon punch our way to marketing like it's just they they've got a lot of things that can push marketing-wise that other companies in in this particular space don't have and on top of that obviously nintendo's big push with switch was always it's a home console it's a home console it's a home console you can take with you so you're getting our top quality games now on the go and it's such a as much as people might laugh at that marketing point because we all know it's handhelds mobile technology that you can actually put on your tv um it's worked and i think they're going to keep that moving forward i don't think because a lot of times you look at how nintendo has always been that iterative system that second one didn't always do as well outside of like gameboy advance that second one kind of just fell off in comparison to the one before i don't think that's going to happen this time uh one i don't think people are sick of it look how well the software's still selling i don't think people are sick of this form factor and then on top of that uh not having any competition to really replace them like when we in ds kind of fell off i feel like a lot of people that we played those games kind of transfer over to smart devices because those started becoming popular in the middle of those generations so i kind of felt like there was a transition with some of that blue ocean audience to be even like hey we can also get games like now on our phones and our tablets like we don't necessarily have to have these systems like hey you can do just dance with literally your phone you don't need you just download an app now you don't even need to play that on a console um whereas this time around no mobile devices aren't really replacing anything that's happening with switch and on top of that i just think that nintendo having all their focus of development on a single platform they saw what that did on switch and i don't like how do you compete with that everyone the whole industry is trying to figure out how you can compete with that look at all these companies microsoft's buying because they're like hey look at what nintendo's doing look at all these damn exclusive games maybe if we just had that many people would show up good luck i think it was a shared talk that maybe andrey and nate you were both having or probably everyone is agreeing on the same thing you only have to buy one console these days right so whatever this cost is going to be it's going to be less than what a nintendo game cube and gameboy advance was what a we and a ds was what a we you and a 3ds was so it's 400 to get into the ecosystem of what a company is going to pour a lot of games in and if you look at it from the software perspective first of all you know growing up in the 80s and 90s games cost effectively more back then when it was mfrp 60 when minimum wage was 575 it cost more than the 60 dollar games now when minimum wage is 1550 in california or whatever for instance i know every state is different but at the end of the day video game has been a very affordable hobby for a long time and wages have only gone up everything else has gone up the only difference is games going from 60 to 70 feels like a dramatic jump but it's a lot better than if it had gone up 50 cents per year for the last 20 years then it would have been a less invasive jump and it would still be 10 dollars more but you would have been paying more that whole time but then people would have felt it less hurtful but in reality that would be the worst scenario so going up to 10 now isn't all that bad from that standpoint but i also want to go into the games are so much bigger and more complex now that if you think about it i mean we'll see but you know back then you had to have two systems to play two different zela games you had to have an s and e s to play link to the past and a gameboy to play links awakening so there's your 60 dollar and 40 dollar game you're paying a hundred dollars for a complete zelda experience that generation even if the next zelda game which we already saw tears of the kingdom cost 70 dollars whether you like it more or not that those two games probably you have more hours more terrain to travel in more overall dungeons a greater amount of variety in terms of soundtrack that you're hearing and stuff like that from 170 dollars tears of the kingdom game then a link to the past and links awakening combined so by that logic yeah metroid prime four is going to cost 70 bucks it's probably going to give you more content than the 50 dollar metroid prime and the 40 dollar metroid zero mission you know from from that point of view now it is different experiences but nintendo is the only developer out there that is just busting out titles all year around all devoted and it's going to get better i mean they're opening up a whole other building next to their you know former one in kota so uh i don't mind when i look at it from that the the cost of the console i think it will be justified i got it paul just a little bit of an upgrade or it'll be significant of an upgrade but if it's just an upgrade maybe it has one extra bell or whistle like hey you could take out this four button layout from the new joy con joy con plus and then pop in the game cube one ah that's kind of cool like maybe something fun like that and that's kind of the that's kind of the catch you know we've got license sega's sega Saturn games pop on a right joy con that has a six button layout of like that you know i don't know this is i'm making something up but i think overall just a steady flow going into that next system without rocking the boat so much games are going to be high quality i don't doubt that so i think it'll be worth the price i mean i wouldn't think you and i are on the same wavelength yeah right um just just a quick jump in your two seconds um i went back and i looked at the inflation calculator the SNES in today's money would have been four hundred and forty nine dollars and fifty six cents and then the NES in today's dollars sorry november 2023 um would have been five hundred and sixty four ninety five so four hundred dollar price point for this yeah and that's what our parents were paying for i mean i don't know exactly that's it today's money i mean you know yeah but it was expensive for them back then yeah yeah yeah shout out to mom right game cube was the first system i camped outside of target for quick me too targeted well i went there like three a.m yeah i'm thinking about it like so for my family suv it's like a hundred bucks to fill in every fill up we have to fill up every week so i mean look it's just four four gas tanks i guess uh that's not too shabby it was a lot cheaper to fill it way back then that's for sure yeah yeah so oh man i think when it comes to the price point i'm sorry um when it comes to the seven dollar price point uh i think that we've we kind of think of this in the mindset of enthusiasts because we probably are going to buy the majority of those games the average consumer doesn't buy that many like they may buy three four games a year you know they're not buying like every single major release like we are so this really hurts us but nintendo doesn't make games they make games for us but you know they look at the larger market and say we can swing 70 because you know that's like an extra that's like maybe one extra game to that family versus us that's like three or four extra games when you add up the extra tens so that's a good point and i wonder if as part of that too you know when people who only buy handful of games a year they're looking to get that you know beefy experience right like here's the kingdom a game that i think pretty easily justifies its 70 dollar price point but you know i wonder if this is kind of the the mantra going forward of most switch games from nintendo being 70 dollars you know i hope that they would maybe adopt a wider variety of prices for games that may not necessarily justify that cost like i look at mario and donkey kong on the switch a game i'm personally excited for and say that 50 dollar price point i'm like that's not a 50 dollar game that's a remake of a 20 year old game that came out you know during the gba era and wasn't 50 dollars back then either yeah exactly right we're at 50 then it was like i think 30 if even that yeah and uh it's like yeah maybe that should be a 30 dollar game today and so i hope that maybe you know moving into switch to nintendo is a little bit more um flexible with this price points because you know a game at 70 dollars fine every game at 70 dollars you know i'm gonna be thinking a little bit more about the about the choices i'm making i'm sure a lot of people will be i might not pick up any of the mario sports games if they're all 70 yeah valley again no way no i'm just look i you know i picked them up with 60 and you might go oh what's 10 dollars i'm like and i regret them at 60 so i am definitely not doing it again at 70 unless i look at all the reviews and everyone afterwards the same day they finally did it right it's finally content rich it's this okay fine but it's really gonna have to prove itself for me to drop 70 bucks on one of those games um so it's pretty interesting i mean i'm going in with the expectation they're just gonna charge 70 anything they charge 64 today will be 70 tomorrow i just kind of presume that that's what they're gonna do i know nintendo has toyed with different price points uh here and there but i just kind of get the feeling that look the rest of the industry is already doing it they're kind of just doing what the rest of the industry does also how the thing is we always thought like the whole 10 point price increase just seems so steep because it's happening at once the rest of the world has been increasing the prices this entire time it's been increasing with inflation all these years it's like really a north america issue where we're like oh now or now you're going to increase the price of our games well everyone look what they're paying canada go look what they pay in australia look what they pay in the uk everywhere else like they're paying significantly more than we are already for the games uh but the counter was well yeah because you know the us happens to be the largest game market much more competitive you want to keep your prices lower but now that everyone else is raising them up i mean nintendo's kind of just competing against themselves so yeah for better or worse often today consumers detriment because you know as we're talking about earlier like they married the handheld and console you know game library into a single platform which is great except it means that those handheld games that you may spend less for in the past is now being they're charging increased prices for them which is something i think you know when you look at the competitors as you as you mentioned uh nate where they've been charging you know these prices for a while now but in general like you look at sony's line of the games for better or worse like they are clearly making triple-a games like those budgets leaked and spider-man's was absurd i believe it's like yeah i get it i see why they're charging 70 dollars for that because they spend a ton of money on it whereas you know a lot of marty a lot of hindos fair you know i love it don't get me wrong but those some games mario party superstars and that cost nintendo here's the kingdom budget you know what i'm saying so what nintendo might be a little better with their budgets but still charge the same price who knew right who knew so it's almost like nintendo's a really really profitable company um that runs in a little bit of the apple ecosystem keep the prices high because price is associated with quality um that's true so uh what's this bad boy coming out what when we think they're going to tease when you think they're actually going to release this thing start with eric let's give eric a first shot at this you know what why not let's just go with march do you think it's going to be revealed march no no no come up this month and then oh hell yeah heck yeah no yeah reveal this month coming march why not hey man hey right i feel responsibly i love it happy birthday switch here's your successor hey i'd be all for it this thing can come tomorrow and i'd be happy but as long as i can actually get one that might be the one problem just try to get your hand worst-case scenario hopefully june agree some paul's at game stop yeah yeah well please do in-person pre-orders by the way but all online then it's crap oh yeah yeah no we're gonna have to go get jade randall he's gonna have to give us an inside scoop on when to drop those pre-orders and that's online um okay hey you know what here's the thing eric you say this i mean there's a certain playstation leaker out there that mentioned that it might be revealed this month um doesn't mean it's coming you didn't say when it was coming but i reached out to them today publicly i was like hey are you still here in january and he's like yeah last i heard january i'm like oh well who knows could be teased uh but let's okay man i'm so hyped now why do you have to stay March i'm so oh man because i want you know i'm like i get irresponsibly so like oh just get so hyped okay say around um i feel like they liked the time period in which they dropped the um oled so i'm thinking the same around the same time i think they want to do a little bit of a run up because i feel like i feel like we're not us enthusiasts we're not gonna like backwards compatibility i feel like we're not gonna like about it so we're gonna talk about it a lot and we're gonna have to still convince our friends to buy it we're still gonna be kind of in that space but i feel like there's gonna be some things we may not like and they want a little bit of a run up to get us accustomed to the idea of 70 games the launch games things like that so i'm gonna say like four to six months um if they announced to this month i don't think that's crazy but i don't think they do a drop in march that's uh did we hear anything about production because didn't the switch light leak like we saw it yeah there was some uh we saw like the back plate or something like that yeah yeah but we haven't we haven't gotten any of that so that's some kind of like yeah last year they might have started producing in november but we don't really know and we don't know how long your goal is in production before the leaks happen so yeah yeah paul gill network example so it's safer to say just because you have a longer amount of time to be proven wrong if you just pick fall you know if you just pick november 2023 2024 it's just easier but i'm a numbers guy and i was just looking at some fun stuff and i was like you know what it would be pretty fitting if on january 25th nintendo showed off metrid prime one and two collection along with metrid prime four because that happens to be the fifth anniversary of when nintendo publicly announced that retro studios was taking over the leadership and used this as a simultaneous event to show off here's our next console nintendo switch two and have come out on june 7th why did i pick june 7th it's 134 days after january 25th which is the same amount of time and i used nintendo switch as the time i knew i knew it between the october 19th event and march 3rd and i was like you know what nintendo has to be careful with their quarter because it's not just picking a date but it's picking a date that works because any date could work in the year potentially for us but for them they need to make sure that each quarter is successful and doing well march ends off that quarter so you finish the quarter strong you're going to lose a little bit of sales in the first couple because people are going to in some cases not buy nintendo switch and hold off to switch two but by having it in the third quarter in the third month of the quarter which june also is you know it's the you've got april may and june so you're ending off the second quarter of the year so picking that third month to do it could make sense as far as that alignment goes with nintendo switch and also the same amount of day thing it was just kind of fun but i was like that would be a poetic justice type of thing the metro thing the nintendo switch time frame i've said it before online like i don't think it's going to be a long window i don't think it's going to be more than 150 days it's it's going to be a short amount of time because when they do announce it it's such a successful system right now i mean even in this last calendar year you're looking at something like 15.5 million consoles sold probably around 138 million right now that's a lot i mean well it was so much nintendo just ninjas just came in right off yeah there was the overheated your camera over there oh my god so you know like it's still a good year so that's kind of what i'm thinking it's release it or at least announce it have a price drop so you effectively don't cannibalize your sales by people not wanting to buy the new system because you'll have okay it's a price drop still incentivizes people so that's my bold prediction is this january 25th followed by a june 7th release or February 14th that's a nice valentine's day nintendo direct maybe give us that and then follow that same amount of time later and call it july 19th for a console launch then you're you know kind of halfway in the quarter um it's they haven't had a july system launched before the closest was june 29th with m64 but nintendo if you if you really look at their history they've got september here for a gamecube in japan november here november is very common but they've got march they've got february uh they're sort of all over so also personal hope one more number and then i'll be done talking 2,686 days was the longest amount of time between nintendo consoles famicom and super famicom i wanted memorized what did you have a memorized you just knew that you just calculated right now in your head we have to replace andres restart he's usually the numbers guy here and called the smartest guy on the podcast he's like hold on andres restart's not here i'm taking the crown i want nintendo switch to beat it that's just my personal hope that nintendo switch outlasted that amount of time and in order to do that we're at like you know we're not quite there yet we're like 2400 something right now but anyways all right you heard it here when this happens exactly you'll wonder was he lucky or did he know i i never know with you sometimes i just think you know and you're very good at not letting us know that you know it's great all right all right andre what are you thinking march 23rd is when it's going to be announced the day after princess peach showtime i mean i think i actually do think that they'll hold off until around that game if not after sometime around there i think they won't get through this initial slay games they've announced before they kind of like muddied it a little bit with the whole you know second generation and also you know i know there's a lot of people out there hoping that they're going to you know match up with the original switches release schedule like hoping it'll be announced soon they'll be revealed or released shortly thereafter i'm not seeing at this point i think it's too late for that to happen um and again i think they won't get through that initial slay the games by allures before they announced new hardware because it will affect sales of the switch now the thing is for nintendo at this point of the year doesn't matter all that much because switch nintendo consoles generally sell way better in the fourth quarter than any time any other time of the year which is why i i largely agree with what paul is saying i think it's gonna come out toward toward the end of the year you know the second half at the late or at the least and you know possibly you know august september october somewhere around there with an announcement you know a few months before which could be again as soon as possibly march um i think it just makes sense the timetable has generally worked well for nintendo and i do think though in this case we'll have a smaller uh window from announcement to release than we typically have because for one i think you know everything's moves quicker these days it seems and also nintendo wants to narrow the window from which people aren't you know aren't willing to buy the current switch we'll just wait for switch two and also with it being an iterative console i assume that they don't really need to introduce us to this idea it doesn't need a big marketing ramp up um i think they can get by with like you know three to five months and and it'll be a huge success no matter really no matter whenever launch is but i think toward the fourth quarter okay i'm gonna be a little different just a little bit different it's gonna be first half but we're not gonna go any of the other times all you guys i mean he's going march which is insane i would i would love to go march uh i just don't i mean that would be that'd be a quick turnaround all right holy crud uh and if the lineup's ready to go and nintendo's ready to go and the systems are already sure go for it isn't i think it's so great but uh i'm gonna go with i i i believe this is this is more of a hopeium that there'll be a teaser this month uh just just a teaser i don't know if it's going to be as extensive as the 2016 trailer uh but some sort of tease this month and then uh in march uh even maybe even before princess speech comes out they'll do an event uh for it i don't know if it's going to be as big a i don't know what i don't know what the event's going to be i know they have the january 2017 event uh for switch i don't know if they're going to go that that that in person route or what they're going to do but there's going to be a bigger blowout um and it could even just be tied to a direct even like it could just be because they've already teased it so you already know it's coming and so now like a direct is coming and they literally call it the nintendo switch to direct or something because last year they started labeling all the directs as nintendo direct and then they had the dash nintendo switch which is the first year they started doing that potentially indicating there might be other directs coming up that aren't about switch specifically uh but we don't know obviously until it happens it's just it's just speculation there's no fun note that hey they started changing how they titled their directs for some reason um but i think after that blowout event uh and i know some people don't think it'll happen before prince of speed showtime i'll just say this i don't know that showtime sales were going to be effective of this anyways people still own switches they still want to play games and this first quarter or i guess fourth quarter of uh their fiscal year it's always their lowest quarter unless a massive game comes out like there's an anomaly game that releases during this time period yes that does shift the market but as we went over they don't really have that anomaly game so the switch sales are probably going to be pretty low this quarter anyways uh so they might not mind doing that because great thing to talk about at that investors meeting that comes the first week of may on top of that i think sometime in may is when the system will come out after the investors meeting so the hand them out at the investors meeting well i think it's just it keeps momentum right like it keeps it going going because right because like if they're really holding back on games until this thing is announced well don't think that we're gonna go like half a year without a major game i just don't i just don't see us going past june without a major release uh i just don't see the investors even being happy with that hey why are we going half a year without dropping one thing that sell systems i don't know and if like the launch games of 3d mario and everyone's talking 3d mario and that thing's blowing people's minds when they show it i don't know if they can make blow our minds the way that the breath of the wild did but if it can if it does do that uh now you're now you're like well okay people are gonna stop talking about the 70 dollar games because you know what was all the talk heading in the switch have you seen breath of the wild have you seen that game you do you know what's coming like if they have that mind blowing experience at launch that's all anyone's gonna talk about uh but again it's all we're all just guessing unless one of you guys know uh don't don't get in trouble on my show but i don't need to just knock in here hey hey don't be having these people around um so i don't know that's just that's just what i'm thinking i there's hope you're involved in that but also hey they have a light lineup so like hey and until they give us a direct that somehow gives us a better lineup then i don't yeah i'm just gonna keep holding on hey uh you know i i hope that ends up being right because the the sooner the better but you know i as one who's lived through many console generations from nintendo i remember those final six months to a year and they're usually there's usually nothing right now learn from sony learn from sony don't don't do that to me i you know i would not be surprised actually there's more switch games to come like switch one games like i think we'll probably have a new platform yeah but i mean i still think that's yeah i mean we know that's coming at some point i assume we'll still be switch one along with i'm hoping switch two uh perhaps like it brought to the wild type situation but we'd be surprised that there's some smaller games still like to be announced for switch as well like we'll probably announce it directly early in the year it'll be some smaller stuff maybe another mario sports game we're still missing mario baseball that they don't need to wait for switch to for that for instance and that i'll tie this over until you know the eventual successor maybe a kermi there's a kermi every year always the kermi you know it's it's not the popular opinion to want to wait longer for new hardware but there are some pieces of software that have yet to have a nintendo switch version and at this point you might be like yeah i'd love to see a new star fox but i've waited six years let me just wait a little bit longer to see the bigger jump and have it on nintendo switch two yeah i've had i've had to wait six years without having a a new donkey kong country you know several franchises but in reality nintendo has those available i mean what if this year they've you know fill it up with a new 3d donkey kong game a brand new star fox title you know a metroid prime one and two hd version they finally drop wind waker and twilight princess together you've got princess peach and professor latin as a game you give us all right here's a summer game that's fun that we're bringing back a wave race blue storm oh you're gonna be happy with this one folks here's a classic game getting that hd 2d remake here's golden sun and then all of a sudden you're like wow this is going into the eighth console the eighth year of the of the console with a golden sun that you brought back maybe a punch out a star fox not all heavy hitters but some of their lesser selling franchises that a lot of the 150 million people nearly install base at the end of the year will buy and like the hardcore fans like do we've been waiting long enough for a punch out i'll just might as well throw a punch out on the next system i've been waiting for years for star fox let's just wait a little longer but you know you you don't have to you could sell the new system with the heavy hitters to get the people into it the mario the legend of zelda something you know the next platoon the next animal crossing and a smash bros and a mario that brings the people in and then once they're in the ecosystem then they buy star fox i'll buy system for star fox a good quality star fox game that's a system seller for me but for most it's not so does it make more sense to have that game early in a new system's lifespan or have it on the established 140 plus million selling system so my whole point is even though it's unpopular opinion if nintendo switch 2 comes out in 2025 which i don't think anybody really wants to wait that long they have enough that they could fill up 2024 and software wise we would be plenty happy if we had half a dozen of those games that i mentioned i think like yeah new doggie con star fox everything that you just i don't want to crush my dreams it's okay that's all right and rename me to dream crusher over there it's like i'd be excited for those games i would be i don't i mean i can't i know they could wait till 2025 but i think if they if they do that then they're starting to do like what they used to do letting the momentum sort of don't let them well dry don't you can have the games but like if the system sales like say they're 15 and then all of a sudden there's no new system announced and they're like oh we're projecting like 10 or less you're you're starting to like you know for the next fiscal year like then you're starting to be like oh man you're really you're really getting towards the end here like why are we 10 to 12 probably will be like if they finish up with 140 by this march 31st march 31st i mean the saving goes to be a pokemon game coming out this holiday that can obviously help lift the sales again but we'll see because we don't we know pokemon days come that's one thing we like we hope a direct is still happening in february like usually obviously we don't know we don't you know again i get their announcement system we can shift things around but um we know pokemon day is coming and we know that usually comes a pokemon game announcements so you know yeah it's a good point and and pokemon company loves to those like late generation releases too they don't really care if there's new hardware or not can be out they don't give a crap they're they're dropping my game this holiday for switch it's happening whatever system runs at the fewest brains per second is the one no drop at all we're trying to see the new low standard scarlet violet ah you thought that was bad just wait we're aiming for sub 10 sub 10 power by the super effects chip oh geez um we had a one super chat that was uh related to what we were talking about coming from taker six said he did two dollars here he said uh will the debut teaser be shadow dropped remember last time they did announce it ahead of time so it wasn't a shadow drop yeah there's no way to shallow drop i think this will be one day now it's like it is similar to before like two days for a first look at next generation of nintendo kind of thing exactly yeah i would be kind of shocked if it was shadow i mean i know guys i know like in olden days when they would do console reveals at e3 sometimes it would be a surprise um but also we back then we were just used to every system's revealed at e3 so you would kind of go in maybe thinking there would be a reveal even if they didn't announce it not to mention there's already a lot of eyes on e3 back then yeah where you know yeah they're gonna want as many eyes on this as possible there's just shadow drop it there's gonna be a lot of people that missed the start of that that live stream that anything and then yeah is there ever been like a major system just shadow dropped announced without like teasing that they're about to do it series series x what are just game awards was that oh yeah you know what the series x at game awards i don't that was definitely not teased i don't think i don't think that was a surprise but again i don't know if that's necessarily shadow dropped again it's it's being watched by a ton of people well i mean it is yeah it is not a big event it is not a big event you're right it was it didn't have to stand on its own to me a shadow drop would be just dropping a thing on twitter saying hey we're or just going live on youtube and just saying we're here that'd be i'd be wondering would that work and today in today's world it actually it would probably take over the internet yeah because like everyone would be scrambling everyone would be scrambling the guy like gaming's going to be scrambling to cover everything so what i so what ig is everyone be scrambling and if you trend it on everything he's like whoa no one saw it coming so catching everyone off guard could in today's viral social media i might almost be a good plan i'm above it it says to me saying they're going to do it but i'm not going to rule out the the possibility right because like they've i'm trying to think the last time they did some sort of shadow drop like that was more like a band out of three release date or something like that they didn't have it in the direct and then boom they just dropped it on social media but again that's obviously a lot smaller than another new console yeah yeah it's it's interesting thought experiment i i think nintendo who's typically risk adverse they want to control the message they want people to see the system as they're presenting it like you know what it does what it's capable of and the best way to do that is through their official marketing be it a direct trailer or whatever it is and so i think they want people's first entry point by and large to be through their official marketing and that's why i think they will give a heads up to whenever they announce this thing i'll give one more shot at it furikawa hasn't launched a new system yet i don't know what he's gonna do the wild card the wild card i mean he was a numbers guy you feel like he might be a bit safer but then maybe he's seeing how safe nintendo's band hasn't always worked i'm still just waiting for them to shadow drop the uh the switch to logo just during the middle of a of a direct one of the games at the end of it just has the switch to logo they don't say anything about it but just just ramp the speculation that way oh jeez uh how much of a lead up do you think they're gonna give us a few days less than a week it's not going to be like a direct like one day thing i don't think oh two days i'm saying two days i don't the two days because today that's what they that's what they two days is like what they do with what game directs right individual game directs usually like a two-day warning yeah balloons two days early morning for the next generation of nintendo something like that yeah okay it's wasn't that similar for the switch to uh it's the original switch i mean i think i think it gave us six days yeah it was the week before if i remember right when the news articles popped of that nintendo right i just remember looking this up for a video the other day but i remember the exact day but it was it was a bit more it was more than three days warning for the october of it anyways cool i mean again this it's one of the things we don't exactly know but it should be more than one day they're gonna give us more of a warning than our direct because they know some people treat these like a christmas this is christmas so like people take off work or schedule or schooling around it and do whatever they can to try to they want everyone to be there that wants to be there that wants to see this live and react to it live and and all of that so please just don't include you know like a just dance game that's going to be copyrighted i love you i love you so i'm man can you like maybe show it off some non copyrighted music please that'd be great i know the copyrighted music is what makes you the game fly but everybody knows it has copyrighted music at this point i know every time i see i'm like oh that's just dance mute yeah right okay guys i'm going to just dance i'm just saying i i i dude i'm proud to say e3 2019 the final one i got up on stage and danced and we got it off my bucket list didn't realize it was gonna be the final e3 but man i was so glad that i got up on stage so because otherwise i'd never get to get it off my bucket list dancing on stage oh man i don't know why that was always one of those onlooker things oh i'm watching them dance on stage i want to do that why do i want to do that why did i know why i ever wanted to do that i am weird i'm a dancing fool sometimes you're dancing queen all right uh well that's it we're we're going to be moving into our final thing which is the q and a section from all of you guys super chats uh two dollar and up super chats if you guys want to submit questions looks like it should be pretty quick um just a few like we have a ridiculous richie 89 coming in you just wanted to say hope all as well with you guys so uh yeah happy new year to everyone of course i mean hey we're only three days in pretty cool uh we have tea who dropped ten dollars just he just wants us to louis g louis g it's all you need so i mean louis just matching four this year let's go i'm just there we go thank you i'm just there i would love to do just mention four i don't think it's going to come to share i think it'll be next year but launch title did that to me it didn't work for game q i don't know more popular now though no no stop stop sorry 3d mario i don't actually don't know the launch title would be hopefully 3d mario um erin rasted five dollars so did anyone hear about the maintenance on january 10th and a direct on the 11th someone in the chat mentioned this yeah the uh that's some speculation i've seen out there um this happens every time there's maintenance like people speculate hey could there be a direct because we're coming up on another direct at some point i mean like they've done january directs uh obviously they usually do february but they have done january before i can't say you can rule it out because they only give us 24 hours notice uh what day is that because usually only three days they'll do i mean this next week that's a thursday that is a day that they do direct sometimes um i can't i can't say it's not possible they only give us 24 hours notice on direct so i don't you know like it's possible i i always say i'm on the lean towards february probably being more likely because that's just when they've been doing it but this is nintendo i mean they're gonna drop a direct when they think they need to drop a direct and we just talked about how the week their lineup is so maybe they think they need to drop a direct now and maybe if they're dropping a direct now it's because they're going to be talking about a new system by may or something and they're so they want to get the direct out of the way now so they can kind of get a lineup set for that first half i don't know hey don't know what nintendo's thinking uh you guys got anything to add to that nope lots of lots of head shakes um and then we got uh switching it up said hey guys thanks for the great show what is one game from your childhood you'd like to get a remaster on switch to i'm just just like smiling ear to ear what do you got i'm ready i just changed my uh my twitter profile picture to this stunt race effects give it to me i want that 4k remaster i will gladly take it even that 10 frames per second still i don't care just give it to me uh paul gill i know you are it's not not that it's boring but i think everybody would like it and that's a true remake to the legend of zelda opera enough time it was my favorite game ever for a solid 19 years maybe even 20 years breath of the wild finally dethroned it in the overall sense but that game getting like the resident evil for remake treatment a little bit bigger in scope some chic missions in between that were action oriented that filled up the time between those seven years like voice acting orchestrary music you name it too easy of a pick but like opera enough time would be my favorite or would be my pick yeah yeah i see you really are replacing on just restart that's what you said say arane what do you got i already got a uh a super morning sunshine so i was going to say our Korean time as well um i i mean that sunshine that could be a little bit better but i'll take it i played through it i love it eric snowboard kids uh there it is which both of them are just the first give me a collection give me the collection collection i mean i'll be happy with the first one i'll be i'll be fantastic with the first one the second one's not as good but i'll take it if they're gonna give it to me why not okay so they clarify that nintendo had to make the game there's that so let's go oh man am i really gonna go there i just want a lad in from the game boy to come back i don't i don't know why i don't i recognize it's like not the greatest game but i spent probably more time playing that game than any other game in my childhood uh maybe because it wasn't very good or maybe it was because i only had three games for like five years of my life on game boy i don't know i don't know but i i beat that game it was i have fond memories may have probably nostalgia i don't care i wanted to come back um i don't even remember who made the thing but it would hey bring it to switch to um oh oh custom robo i want that oh there you go custom robo you can't tell i grew up on the game like the game key was the first console i considered mine i had a 64 and everything else but the game key back considered mine i could actually buy games for it we just had a little one dollar super chat from fried noodle thank you so much fried noodle uh and then paul gales on the show and how anyone wanted to get a question in uh thank you paul gale what are the chances it's called the nintendo 64 k i almost made the same joke earlier paul i had to hold off but i respect that you did it i would love it skip 4k they skip 8k then they could bring back that super mario 64 k i guess oh here we go doggie cocks 64 k 64 i like it quest 64 k i don't know if we need that one to come back but oh jeez okay paul well hey thanks for the two dollars i guess well first time i'm getting a super chat from a guest on the show that's new that's new uh michael lorenz says when do you think the next nintendo direct will be and what is uh one prediction each of you have for that extra there will be games no there will be games a bold prediction i think i got it nailed it you know for whatever reason i'm actually feeling it being late this month i don't know why that is based on nothing but my i don't know it's like a gut feeling yeah it just feels like for some reason they're gonna drop it this month i not really like a rhyme or reason other than the new system but even without that like they wait until summer to now so i don't know maybe that's why i'm feeling it but i feel i'm not feeling the new system yet i think i'll come in a few months here so i'm thinking that you know it makes sense to get uh the direct for the current switch out sooner than later so i think it's just the lineup being light you know yeah kind of just feels like we need announcements i don't know uh mario baseball that's my prediction mario baseball mario the one switch game one song mario sock game or one mario sports game vloggers is coming all right say what do you got what do you got um you know at this point like we've been talked about a bunch of remasters remakes maybe a thousand-year door release date and it's somewhere during the summer that's what i'm thinking maybe but besides that i can't i don't think there's no dropping a new ip or anything like that so that's a safe one that's like already announced game we just don't ever release they go and save got it all right it's all right paul gale are you going safe mr. numbers guy what's your numbers saying i'm going with the two that i picked earlier january 25th or february 14th okay valentine's day or the 25th and if it's the 25th especially it's just poetic justice to have metroid prime four that day five years for us come on throw us a bone that'd be great you gotta be we're seeing metro prime four this year right guys like some point please i think we definitely will yeah even if it doesn't come out this year they gotta they gotta show me this thing yeah see it i can't just have it on twitter i can't have a twitter profile update thing i need i'm not ruling it out as a potential switch to launch title i feel like if you want to get in front of like a you know get as much publicity as possible kind of rebuild metroid like i did for zelda i think that might be a good time for it and it has been five years so it's possible it's yeah basically done what if they somehow made it almost open world i think it would blow people's minds i don't know i saw halo infinite yeah that that's what it was sort of compared to that that uh guy from xbox era podcast said like that he might have heard something that yeah we'll see if it blows people's minds it might make people think twice about about where my try can go and how popular can get um uh eric did you go to prediction no i just said there would be games no yeah you know um i again yeah i'm kind of feeling the end of this month they may be very early next month um i do like the mario uh sports game idea but it's to be mario football kind of in the backyard football vein uh there we go like that or mario and sonic olympic games again because of the olympics being this year and blah blah blah blah that'd probably be a more safe bet that's probably gonna be one hey i want the football game you want the football game there you go mario pro wrestling really fun um that's actually the sequel to smash bros ultimate here you go i already gave roughly i think by the end of this month i think there'll be a direct and then uh i'll just go with metro prime two and three uh hd collection pack shadow dropped you'll be able to get it digitally right away physically later something they've already done you know for it and they did like they did pickman you know well one and two so that way so i i just kind of think because it won't be a full remaster like prime one so they're gonna they'll package them together or you'll be able to buy them separately of course if they'll they'll offer that on the e-shop anyways uh let's see here we have but after seven twelve said uh which franchise do you think is the best shot at seeing a breath of the wild like jump that's a huge jump hold yeah i don't even see it for any franchise but i think 3d mario has a i think they could really switch it up for the next 3d mario i mean all right i mean what would that jump even be a mario odyssey was already like the best selling 3d mario ever well or the sales jump had to be 50 million oh are we talking sales oh yeah i don't mean i was thinking game design oh game design yeah well game game design wise i i i would say man i don't know if any game can make a that kind of game design that's like a donkey con i mean we there is that rumor out there oh donkey called a new 3d donkey con could be crazy um you know what you know a franchise probably needs it we talked about it a bit earlier i think star fox needs some sort of massive change and jump if they're ever if they ever bring it back with a new game i think they need to just find a new a new game or something i don't know if it's going more star fox adventure route and just finally going all in with that with the modern i don't know what it is but i feel like that game needs a jump like that so you think they lean into fps is that that generation right metronome for star fox little ground fps action not before maybe third person over the shoulder with the breath of the wild jump if you look at zelda going from 10 million to 30 million look at metroid going from three to nine look at zelda scope in how it handles zelda dungeons and overall gameplay mechanics it's just kind of incorporated some new modern conventions of this you know air quality and take metroid and expand on the close quarter combat but also make it bigger and you know i think it's an ambitious game it's been in development for so long that i could see that maybe it's got a secret component which is a revolutionary concept for the multiplayer game like not that metroid hasn't had it but what if metroid is their more mature splatoon take where it's kind of this year around you know upgraded multiplayer i can see if metroid could become like um well yeah the single player could be epic and amazing and awesome but what if it had like an unreal tournament vibe to the multiplayer and it just becomes this massive multiplayer game for them that would be kind of an interesting twist um but they would keep the single player campaign we're not talking about them doing away and and not having a great one right just finding a new audience that maybe would have never considered metroid before and it's not even unusual they had multiplayer obviously we have prime hunters but they had a multiplayer mode and metroid prime too as well so um yeah that'd be interesting uh boo mini here said uh do you guys believe the next big zelda game so far away um we'll have a vr option vr option i mean he had that i mean i asked us in you know a few months from now of a much better idea because it depends entirely on if the switch to has vr or not if it does then yes if not then no but i think the fact that here's the kingdom purposefully removed the vr the lab of vr option isn't a great sign i mean it wasn't that great in breath of the wild i loved in front of the water i actually played the entire game that way again because of you beat the game in vr no my little cardboard headset in like hundreds of hours you at least created a strap for it right you didn't hold it right i did get a strap for it i bought the uh the sweatproof strap oh okay sure okay oh geez i could not imagine like i put it on for vr i tried to get into the intro area and i'm like this is just no no this is no no it's a choir taste i i can't believe that you know the only way to make vr big though is it can't be something that people buy later on because even if something has a huge install base not all of the 32 million people that had an antenna 64 bought an expansion pack to play perfect dark even if it's a part of a game not everyone's gonna buy donkey conk 64 and then have an expansion pack not everyone who was one of the 117 million people that owned a ps4 bought a ps4 vr but if you incorporated and it would be kind of cheap and janking but in every nintendo switch to box what would cost nintendo 12 bucks in plastic and velcro to affix the nintendo switch to in the same kind of you know dual lens sort of setup that the labo had but include every single nintendo switch box switch to box has vr capable ready that would be a way how you intrusion horse the concept of vr in so that every single developer out there would know hey it's not a waste of r and d if i put vr into this game because no one's going to buy it no the 10 20 30 40 50 60 million nintendo switch to owners have vr access so i know my efforts won't be in vain that's how you would get vr bigger so unless if they do that in the box i don't think vr ever could stand on its own because even like the best selling oculus and meta things like it's only several million it'll never be a 140 unless it fits into something like that so i don't know if that kind of answers that zelda question but maybe if they do that and maybe that's the little gimmick which doesn't change nintendo switch to up they just throw a little something in there you know maybe uh taker 610 uh brings up that in 2017 we had splatoon 2 breath of the wild mario odyssey uh 2024 3d mario metroid prime 4 and what other big nintendo franchise could come out in 2024 the zelda remake perhaps another big franchise you know what i think it depends on when the system launches the launch is first half i'm going mario kart this holiday baby that's only the launch is first half interesting yeah okay i think mario kart's very likely because that that thing sold absurdly well throughout the entire life getting that out early in the gen yeah i like that especially these wrapped up development on mario kreatilux and mario kart tour so the time is right for a new one yeah and they've probably been making it for a while the main team uh because the tour team was a separate one and then with it wrapped up it could just be because we're finishing a final polish on the new one that's what i that's what i hope but again this is also presuming that it's uh that that that's gonna come out first half for me because if it comes out the system goes on the second half say like august september october time uh i'm not so sure if they're gonna drop the mario kart then that holiday but if not it'll be like right after the holidays january february march next year it'll still be pretty quick after the system comes out if it skips the first holiday it'll only be because they have something else lined up instead and maybe it's just because of the pokemon or whatever and they just don't want to overshadow that even though it'll probably just be a cross gen at that point um but yeah that that's some sort of what i think uh metro prime four i mean i'm kind of hoping it's got a switch to version that's that please i'll play i'll play it if it's only a switch version it's fine i'm sure it's gonna be great i just please it's too close it's too close to a new system like please please let me like be able to at least upscale this thing come on um do you guys have any other game you think it might be mother three just because oh hey there's that whole 30th anniversary thing coming up maybe there'll be some big mother announcement i'm just saying just saying that's floating out there you're gonna have too much episode what are you are you reggie right now wearing the mother pin just getting us all excited for nothing oh man um and then we had uh brian do coming in you're saying imagine a prime four update trailer that shows off an open world the size of red dead two oh wow oh hold up now we're going to the next level holy at the end of the trailer it announces coming to switch to oh yeah just that i mean that would almost be like the breath of the wild thing when they when they kind of blew everyone's minds at e3 and then they said by the way this is gonna launch on the next system but they didn't tell us when that was coming or anything yeah yeah that that feels very man they would win the end of that day yeah i got a reaction epic of course that's a reaction would be fantastic yeah i mean not but you we think about like how is that gonna work for metroid like all about this you interblock interconnected map design and i i could see maybe like a big hub or something like where everything then spirals out from but i can't picture like a fully open world metroid with unless they're vastly revamping how the level design works i mean what if it's we get to go say there's like five massive fully explorable planets and that's what it is and they break it up like that and they just show one zoomed out and it's this giant world and here's metroid just rolled up in the ball just rolling across that you're like what is happening wait a second why is samus is just sitting out there just chilling rolling through the forest what is what are we doing hey i'm down whatever it sounds cool yeah and if they drop that switch two t's at the end i mean that's that that's literally pulling the zelva card out of the d3 when they said hey this thing's coming to the next system we're not telling you what it is yet but it's coming to the next system i go okay um you got i mean metroid part four even if it's on the next system it's totally still coming to switch rather they can't just skip switch they could i don't think they will though i think it will be across gen time it's already announced 2017 announced for switch if you feel so weird they didn't deliver on that promise it's happening like games get delayed to other systems all the time yeah i mean it would definitely burn some good well but i think it'll come to both all right uh well i think that's going to do it we got through uh oh a late member chat come in i can't feature the member chat but i'll read it off for you guys quick uh kool aid three says with the mig switch now being sold uh will there be any way for nintendo to detect the use of such cards could a firmware update disable the use that's the we don't know about the firmware update uh nintendo has to get their hands on it and see if there's any way uh for them to find a way to detect it because it's it's it's it's mimicking a real cartridge use using the ids from a real cartridge so i don't but can they detect it online uh the way for them to detect it online uh as as been noted by like modern midge gamer would be that if you're using our online rom they can absolutely detect it because all they have to do is detect the game is being played on two different switches and then they would know that's a rom and then they can they can block the switches but if you're using it technically properly whereas just your own games that you have backed up you're the only one with that game id then technically they shouldn't be able to detect it but again this comes down to nintendo getting their hands on it reverse engineering and stuff that's something kind of covered a bit earlier all right um well that's going to do it for episode 53 of the evening 10 new prime podcast i want to everyone for being here especially uh andrew because you were definitely a last second edition but i appreciate you stepping up it's all right it's pretty rare that both my main co-host dip out at the last minute it happens uh holidays and everything everyone's got stuff going on still um so thank you so much for being here we'll go around the room quick you guys can just tell people who you are what you got going on and where they can find you we'll start with andrew because i know he's he's on a bit of a time crunch here you might be the most recognized face here but i have no idea i don't know about that but uh yeah i run uh i run the channel game explain to cover a lot of nintendo stuff primarily we cover a little bit everything but mostly nintendo we do analysis reviews previews you know things like that so if you like hearing us discuss things like you have here right now we also do you know similar things over on game explain where you hear me ramble on it how much i like at 099 and whatever else i'm dancing at the moment there you go check out game explain they got lots of content every day eric yeah i'm just here there you go everyone's they just show no i don't i don't i don't have a youtube hey actually he lives in my basement yep it's life all right there you go you can find eric more right here every wednesday uh paul gale what you got going on where can they find you i'm on twitter or x and youtube as well do some martial arts tutorial videos exercise stuff video game stuff number stuff so if you like uh video game numbers speculation etc sometimes some facts thrown in there too when i was able to put something in that i'm like you know this one's not too bad that i shared and i i dropped that did some unboxings if you want to see my lego bells or i knew i was wondering when you're going to point that out of this you know that was all about last putting it together it would have been more fun probably if i livestreamed it because every time i made a mistake ah geez where is this ah how could i have missed that's the way like that's where lego is yeah it was a good good time though nice you can go check them out all that stuff's linked down in the description as well guys uh seah buddy what do you got going on people might not know who you are what are you doing your channel and where can they find you well peeps um seah ran my channel is seah ran gaming you can find me on twitter at seah underscore ran i do gaming and tech reviews i have a fun time talking about the latest things so dropping different angles like was armor core six a little bit too hard to be i don't know or too hard to be to be fun rather i don't know i i took 10 hours on that first boss i'm a little embarrassed but hey it happens i like your alternate angle it's fun you don't know see a lot of that see a lot of going with the flow and you're like no no no no this is my flow appreciate that yeah no problem you guys should go check out his channel again that's all linked down in the description as well all right guys well thank you so much for tuning in be sure to tune in to the nintendo pride podcast next week on the 10th because we got well man it's going to be our largest podcast today it's a pokemon podcast you guys know how much i love poke but don't worry we have eight people on that show and most of them love pokemon so uh when i say most of them it's everyone but me and eric so the other six people love pokemon it's going to be one hell of a show um and i don't even know how i'm going to run the thing when i don't like something but you know what i'm going to get some help for it it'll be all right be sure to tune in next week for episode 53 54 54 all right otherwise you guys so much we'll catch you next week where's my outro because happens every time you do it every time