 Welcome to Breeder Syndicate 2.0, where we explore the history of a clandestine scene. Researching everything from cannabis strain history, old smuggling tales from the first person perspective, to breeding science and news on current subculture. I'm your host, Matthew, and I'll occasionally be joined by my homey, not so dog, Breeder and grower from Mendocino, to speak on these subjects and sometimes interview other participants. Our goal is to document this history before it's written by corporations and others who just weren't there. Let's start writing some wrongs. Welcome to the Underground. Alright. One of the first things, I think since we have you here, Shawnee, like, you know, one of the things that we're often talking about, like we're in discord and stuff is hype strains, people admiration, different things people experience as like, as they're just getting back into buying seeds and getting into the scene, in your case, getting back into it from, you know, being into it real heavy at one point. And one of the biggest things that people come to you with is why you hate root beer so much. What's your problem with gene? What is this root beer hate you have? And, you know, I've always seen it from your angle, but I would like you to explain it from your angle for everyone to hear, because when I hear it, I don't hear what they're hearing. Yeah, well, I don't hear what they're hearing. I could kind of imagine what they're hearing, but I don't know what they're hearing either. But it's something that kind of went like viral in our server, and it just kind of blew up. And I think because there was a lot of arguments around it as well. Yeah. But like, so yeah, so like, I entered the computer world with IG and all this stuff. And like, you don't know when you don't know people, you don't know all these like brands and you don't know all this stuff. You really don't have any idea what you're looking at. But like, I started to like, well, hanging out with you guys. It's like question what I'm buying, trying to understand on a deeper level, all this sort of stuff. So like, there's certain things that are like super, super big, and I'm like, why are they big? Why? Why is this like, why does everybody want this? But when I ask those questions to other people, it's like, I don't get an answer either. Yeah. And root beer was like the one, I don't know why that was the one that stuck. But like, everybody wanted root beer, but I don't, I didn't really understand why. And I don't think anybody else really did either. I mean, I think it was because like, it was just how you asked, but why root beer? And I think someone took that as an offense. Like, it was so offensive that you would even ask why, what do you mean? Why? There's 30 of us talking about how much we want it. What do you mean? Why? Yeah. And Gene's cool and all this stuff and like everything verified. And it's like, you know, what's the problem? But I mean, it's nobody had really experienced it. Like very few people ever experienced it and nobody really has any idea. It isn't really proven on any level that we know. But it just kind of like blew up because of the memes, right? And all the joking. And I like, there was that podcast episode where Gene was talking about it. And he seemed really open about it. And he, that he didn't want to release it because he didn't think it would live up to the expectation that it had already built up. Sure. And that, you know, he mentioned like her misuse of people were running it indoor and all kinds of stuff. And people still wanted it like crazy, you know, it's like, I don't think people even listen to him in that section because what I heard was, you know, maybe it's not as good as everyone thinks, right? Yeah. Sure. I think you're just being realistic. Yeah. I'm giving people realistic expectations and that's fair. I mean, like I, like I've tried to tell people when they were arguing with you. It's an, I don't think it is even necessarily about root beer. And it certainly isn't about just gene, you know, like even have a problem with gene. It means a nice dude, but it's more about the idea of why, why, why is there height behind this? And why are we feeling the dislike sheep? What's the, what's the cult? The phenomenon of it, right? Yeah. It's a phenomenon. Because it just like it's this hive mind mentality where, you know, certain things get mentioned enough that everyone's like, damn, I want to try that, you know, but like what I want more people to be doing is to like understand what they like, what they, what they want. And if it's something that they want, you know, um, like I, I haven't run any of gene stuff, but mainly because he, from my understanding, he breeds outdoors in a region that is far from me and I grow indoors. And it doesn't, it doesn't make sense for me to run his seed. I like, I don't know. I kind of like there's other things I would rather do not, not because of anything against him or anything like that, but like I've sort of ruled certain, certain things out due to things like I just mentioned, right? Like it's outdoor seed. Yeah. I mean, I think that's something I wish I, not even just you or has, and again, not even in relation to gene, anyone should be taking that into, into what they're doing. Like, okay, I'm growing indoor. I need to have seeds that were bred indoor. Are these breeders breeding my seeds indoor? Cause if they're breeding them outdoor and you're trying to bring them indoor, a lot of stuff that does really will outdoor, will have intersex traits indoor. It's common. It's very common. So that's something people should be asking, but I don't even think anybody even asked that. Like, I don't even think that was, that's not even a part of the equation when people think about buying seeds. Like, oh, it's a breeder. Well, it often isn't. It often isn't. And like that, like from my experience, like the average person, they're really looking at all the wrong things usually, you know, if they're looking at like a name that sticks out that either they have attachment to or whatever the reason or a certain like TUR profile that it's supposed to be promising you or, you know, like very surface level things. Yeah. And I find it interesting actually to like in our server watching a lot of people pop some things that, you know, are probably going to be like a high potency. And then they're like, whoa, this is a little much, you know, like maybe they got hit with that for the first time. And they're just like, yeah, it's, it's definitely potent, but it might not be what I want to smoke every day. Exactly. Yeah. So like, I think that's really great growth for, for people and that like, I love, that's what I love about popping seed and trying new things is like, you know, it's all about what you like and experiencing that and then trying to search for the things that, you know, do it for you. Yeah. That's perfect. Welcome pack. Hey guys. What's up pack. And we also have local bot in this here with us. So we kind of just joined jumped into the conversation. We're recording it a little late on Friday. And we were just going to have a small round table talk about some different things. And of course, we were going to talk a little bit and it kind of leads into a little bit of what I was going into about like putting people on pedestals. Like, yeah, I think that is a, another factor. I mean, we see it and it happens here. You know, like just being totally transparent. I see it happen here with me, with not so we try to keep it as, as real as possible and remind people we're just fucking like low rent farmers. Like I grow a few types of plants, but I'm, I'm not even capable of being called a real farmer, let alone needing a pedestal. You know, and other people don't necessarily deserve that either, but in the world of marketing and hype, you know, dude's flashing Rolexes or fake Rolexes, but it doesn't matter if it flicks by real fast, you know, pedestals happen a lot. And, and one thing I've noticed is what happens when people have their, their paradigm shifted on a breeder. Like let's say that this is their hero breeder and they find out something very devastating. It almost, it almost breaks people sometimes. You guys have seen it. Like people flip the fuck out sometimes. Yeah. They do. Yeah. It's kind of, it's really weird with like grown adult men, you know, that they're so passionate to that level. It's like, I'm not a sports fan, but I also get that vibe when people are like super into like sports dudes. Yeah, yeah. It's like you're a grown up, you know. It's a trip, man. Yeah. It's a trip. The, the attachment people get to other grown men like that. Yeah. And admiration that they hold. And I get, I get it. Like cause I had that. Like it's, it's not like something I don't understand. And when I got into the scene, like I remember looking up to Adam Dunn, like he was one of the Americans that went over there to Amsterdam, you know, and like Don Aaron were over there too, but they were kind of like Hollywood knobs. So I didn't have, I didn't like have any kind of anything vibe with them, you know, but Adam seemed to be smart. Like he would talk about his strains and sourcing these, these old California and, and American quote unquote strains. So I was real into him. And then over time, when you get to meet people and have relationships with them and they become much more human, you realize how much you did have them on a pedestal at the time when people because of you. And very often you're disappointed. And sometimes you're not. Sometimes people are as special as you kind of always hope they would be, but that's, that's a rare occurrence. Local, when you first got into seeds, what were some of the dudes that you were hearing about that maybe, maybe got you excited at first and later you, you found like, maybe maybe I'm not so into it. Yeah. So seeds were really weird for me. You know, like I bought like from Nirvana here and there, like Dutch passion was another one, but like this was already like, you know, like, I don't know, 2015, 2016. So it's like, by then it's like, nobody was really looking into that. Yeah. And then I had a friend who was generous enough just to give me like a bunch of different seeds, you know, I think one of them was like something called Blackberry Cheesecake, like a heavy duty, fruity cross, you know, things like that. I grew them. And, you know, for the time for me, I thought they were good because like they smelled different. Like it wasn't just like a cheap ass bag. Sure. I'm a street, you know. Yeah. And then, you know, after that, I kind of just started like thinking about, you know, like how do people claim that they are making these crosses that, you know, like for example, like Blue Dream, you have 20 different fucking blue dreams. Yeah. And like, you know, a little bit about me, like my background is in like genetics and botany and all that. And, you know, more so population genetics. And you're going to college for this, your university? Yeah, I went, yeah, I got my degree two years ago in that. And so, you know, like instinctually I kind of just thought, okay, like these people say they have like, you know, this blue dream or whatever. It's like, you know, what's to say that they're all going to be the same, you know, you have different pollen dinners, you have different like pollen receivers and all that. So it's like, who's to say what's what. And I think that's kind of like what struck like the whole like provenance type of like, you know, understanding it, like knowing that like not anyone is just going to give you what they say it is, you know, because it the sad truth of it is, is like, it's a it's a sketchy scene, you know, there are sketchy people. But yeah, and you know, as a little time went on, like I began to get a little interested in history. And that's kind of like when I stumbled upon this podcast. Yeah. I listened to the first episode and like, I believe you gave crybaby a shout out. Yeah, that's right. You had like just a little after that I joined Breeder Syndicate and like, yeah, I mean, it kind of went from there. So I mean, luckily, I was like, adopted into like a good community relatively early on. So like I didn't have to go through like any bullshit or anything or like get my fucking hopes and dreams crushed like some of these other people do and at the end of it, like, I mean, you see these dogs, they're almost in the days when they hear about like, heroes being tweakers, snitches and stuff. Yeah. And the crazy thing is it's like, it's, you know, we're all humans and it's like, I feel like we should all be true to ourselves and it's like, you know, by claiming all these things, you're like lying to yourself and what good is that, you know, a lot of delusion. Yeah, exactly. And it's kind of sad, I guess. What's cool about the server here is like, like I remember when I was early on in there, but like everybody has bought shit. You know, everybody's been taken and like, it's not like there's people in there that are very experienced that are like, never had that happen. Everyone's had that. Oh yeah. And that's where it's like, some people take it super personally. Some people are super invested financially and emotionally, but I mean, when the, when open conversations happen and it's like, look, like this is kind of what we know. And it's not the greatest thing to hear. Like, I mean, it's, I don't understand when people just don't want to hear it. They don't want to accept it or they're, they start fights over it or, you know, I was not like that. I don't like being wrong to help me be right. Like that's, get me there. Well, understanding is the most important part. Right. It's not about who's good and who's bad and who's this and who, you know, it's just understanding situations. And like you said, humanizing people, like, like nobody's perfect. You know, there isn't a person in the world that's perfect. There isn't a person in the world that hasn't done a stupid thing or misstep or whatever, but like people that are actively like learning and trying to move forward. It's like they're moving forward. Yeah, always. Yeah. You know, one of the biggest problems that I found since local, you're like a, a university type dude was like, I'm still having trouble communicating with university people on the level of like their geneticists, their botanists, they understand breeding it in these deep levels, but trying to communicate to them the history of cannabis, how we came to the conclusions that we have, why we're there and why it matters to what they're doing and why they need to know this stuff before they start like doing these tests on these strains and comparing this strain to this strain and why they need to know all this stuff. Like how do we, how do you tell people that are obviously much more educated and smart, you know, in their own mind than we are? How do you, how do you explain that to them? What would you do from Europe? It's kind of a hard question. I mean, yeah, it is a complex question. I mean, you know, I, I, after all, like, I just got my undergrad, like I'm now a PhD or like, like any means, but like, there's definitely intentions for that. Yeah. But like, I don't know, I think it's really hard for them to kind of accept just somewhat and maybe it's because, you know, we're just a bunch of deeds that like smoke weed and nerd out about, you know, shit that doesn't really matter to the world, it does. Yeah. And that's like one thing I kind of joked about, like with people, like when they ask, like, oh, hey, what do you do as a botanist? And I was like, oh, yeah, like I studied this, you know, it, you know, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, but to me it's really interesting. So I'm going to say fucking and do it, you know, but I think like one way to maybe get like attention of some scientists is maybe trying to like integrate some of like, maybe the hypotheses that like we have, maybe about certain families of plants, you know, or groups of plants, you know, like how can we integrate this into like how they're studied, like what they're studying. So like, for example, the professor that I was studying under at my school, she was interested in plant breeding system. So like, you know how like weed is, is a fucking dioecious, right? You know, you have your male and your female plants. Well, you know, you know, I think there are ways to kind of integrate, like studies between like the two topics. So it's like, I think it's more about relating it to their topic of study than, you know, trying to achieve this goal of, you know, maybe just sequencing DNA or whatever to see this related to me, like it's like, I look at them at what they're doing and I'm like, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, I look at them at what they're doing and I'm like, how can you even waste your time sequencing the DNA of this blue dream cut that you went and sourced from a collective that you say 95% of the cuts are similar to this one, but it's probably not even fucking blue dream. Why are you wasting your time? Because that's not even having anything to do that everybody in history is talking about and that you're going to be comparing this data to, you know, yeah, I can't explain it to them. We have to also consider that we need to have information on what the parents actually were. It's not like you can just take what, what was it like a fucking super silver haze and a blueberry? Like you can't just sequence those two separately and expect it exactly to be related to the blue dream that they sequence. So it's obviously they're there. They don't even understand that part. Like they don't know for sure. And it seems to me it's so scientifically obvious. Like if you're going to start at a place, you're going to fucking crawl back up to the parent line. Maybe you should figure this shit out along the way. But like their, their ideas were like basically we don't think or what the most common sentiment I'm getting from them. I shouldn't say all of them. The most common sentiment I've gotten from multiple people in that field is how do you know you're right? So that's, that's I guess the beauty of science, you know, like, yeah. And that's where I've been trying to work on like interpreting or not interpreting using the Bayes theorem to bring in to actually working that into how we approach history and how we prove past historical events within reason and within science. And I think like that's something that I've been looking at as it's used in other like in ancient religions and stuff to prove what happened in ancient religions, even though all we have is texts. Yeah. And that's really the key, honestly, like, you know, people who witness certain events, you know, like primary sources and all that, you know, like primary sources are, I mean, sometimes going to be some of the most valuable sources, but, you know, obviously those may be biased depending. Yeah, for sure. You know, as we've seen, dude, like we've seen firsthand, like the best primary sources and then it gets kind of scary. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, like, I mean, I feel, I feel awesome knowing that there's actually like this theorem that people have figured out that helps prove history when it's based on written evidence in the past. It's pretty cool. Yeah. For reference, it was Dr. Richard Carrier in one second. I want to make sure I give him credit for this because it is a pretty, it was proving history and on the history, proving history. Yeah. I think that's what it is. Richard Carrier, proving history. Yeah. And the science world is like the type of world that like if it's not on paper, it's, you know, probably not going to be real. So, you know, that's another thing to take into consideration, you know. It was my mind. Why do these tests, if none of that matters, why even do the tests? Like it's, you know, at that point it's fucking with ethics and it's like, if this is really something that they wanted it to, per se, integrate into like pharmaceuticals and stuff. It's like you're also fucking with that. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to make it medicine, then you need the data that people use, but to go access that data that people had, you need to know what they were smoking at the time. Not what you think. Yeah. And that, but it just, I don't know. It's been a long, long drawn out process, trying to have these conversations with these university professors and PhDs and it's still gotten to me. I feel like it's gotten not very far. Yeah. And you'd hope things would get better with federal legalization, but I just feel like it's still going to be rather tricky to conduct any kind of like ecological based studies. Like, I feel like it's going to take, I feel like it's going to take someone that just happens to get into the head of one of these programs to end up being a massive seed nerd. That's like, it's, that's, someone would swing with a massive seed nerd and actually gain interest in history and really dive in. And that's like a dice roll, because look at how few of us there are in cannabis, let alone, this is a tiny community. It really is, yeah. What's your thoughts on it, Pac? Oh, you caught me off guard here. We're just talking about the, trying to talk to the university people about why, why they need to take the history of strains seriously before they start trying to fuck with sequencing and doing all that. Sure. Jacing it. I just have a real hard time communicating with them on it. I didn't know if you had it. I'm not sure if it's lost in translation, possibly, you know, not having the same kind of reference point to be able to speak their language. Maybe it's something along those lines, but I would imagine anybody who's truly, you know, stepping up to the plate from a scientific practitioner level, they're going to want to consider, you know, all variables, right? And, you know, just the fact that it's been taboo to research, you know, I wonder, you know, people have kind of become my optic or sort of conditioned into their own, as much as scientists are open, they're also, you know, kind of looking along their own agenda for things. And so how you, how you kind of introduce another lens to look through is a good question. Some of these people even smoke, which is like, okay, so you've been smoking forever. What? I don't know. I don't know. Is this one of those stone thoughts? They're not smoking the right shit is the problem. Exactly. So one of the things I also wanted to get into was one of the number one questions we get asked and we have, you know, we have me and Pac on here and we have Shawnee and local was males. People have questions about males all the time. Shawnee. Load up. Load up some male questions like that you think people would want to know about local. Load them up. Well, like, um, like number one, right? Like the, like if you're looking for a male and like to use a male, the only way you know is if you grow the offspring and observe the females, correct? Correct. Yeah. So I mean like this, I read this article and like me and cry baby had a little conversation about it. But like what the first question that popped into my head was like, how many, how many elite males exist today? Like how many people are holding males that they breed with that they've been like held on to for a significant amount of time. Yeah. And the answer was pretty low, right? Yeah. Very low. Very low. I don't think that there's a lot of people that are really visiting with certain males. I think people when they do it, they tend to select another male from the seed line. It's very hard to do. I know when we were keeping males alive over the years before the moon situation, it would, it's just constant repotting, making sure the pots big enough, making sure your male isn't flowering. My bedroom is constantly 24 seven. Like just 24 on. There's never any kind of darkness in my bedroom that's constantly trying to keep males around. Second, they hit the bottom of the pot. They'd always start flowering in there. And if it's in the same location as a female room, that could be a serious problem. Like you're trying to get males alive while also making seeds of something else with another male. That's not really that good. It's not, it's not beneficial. So you always have to learn on the fly over time when it comes to stuff like that. Really isolating. Still not advised to keep them in the same room. But yeah, it's why you don't see it very often. Next is Hayes. Hayes. Hey see male, that were real famous. We kept the blue Bonnet one alive for a long time. And it was over at Radio ridge until we got HPLV. Now it's no longer with us. Remember? But we tried, we tried to keep it alive to pass out for other people to do blueberry work that was the intent. Yeah, it's not that common. And I think the first question I get the most is, what do you look for when selecting a male? They're pretty much all myths though right or not myths, but like they're not all like a hundred percent confirmed sort of I mean it just like if you okay like back in the day I remember when I started I was told by by by the hot-spread guy If you want to find a male you want to look for the one that looks most like the female and grows Most like a female and the one you think is at least like a male in the end Like it looks like a female and at the very last minute you realize oh, it's a male and that's the one So for a long time I just did that you know and then as I started going I was like I'm not really getting anything Anywhere by doing that like it's not doing anything special for me Like I I didn't know if I was trying to just make sure there was no herms at the beginning Is that what I'm trying to do because that seems to be what people complain about the most you just don't want herms You know yeah, and as you're doing this stuff you're seeing different traits pop out Right, and then you see certain things from from the male end certain leaf shapes certain certain serrations. Oh wait the trade I can identify you know and slowly that you kind of realize There's not just one male one trait one one It's like trying to constantly fit a square peg in a circle You know like if you if you're looking for the same trait in every male I'm trying to fit a square peg in a circle like if when it came to the blue bonnet stuff It was like I wanted blueberry versions of everything if I want that I'm not going to go to a Chew and I don't know apple mates or whatever and and try to make that male work You know and just until it works. It's not how it works. So yeah, I mean when you're selecting for a male You've got to start somewhere Sometimes as easy as one two three roll a dice pick one if you don't know anything about the line It's a lot easier to know a line grow the line out know the females and that way when you start seeing these males pop out You can see their counterparts in the females slowly, but surely with what traits line up with both of them and That's the best advice know your line before you work it know your line before you're lying before you choose a male And it'll tell you everything you don't have to have any questions. I think I think your intentions You know say a lot to you. I mean if you're somebody who's really trying to go deep and You know you got the means Space-wise time-wise and what have you to go that way then sure, you know But if let's say you just grab bag of seeds, right? I mean pop it you got a couple males and you know You're not a lifer necessarily, but you want to mess around Or even like open pollination situations, right? You can open pollinate with more than one male You don't have to have 12 males in there if you have a four by four There's like all kinds of consideration in terms of what you're trying to get into as well Yeah, it's what you're trying to achieve. Are you trying to make seeds for sale? Are you trying to make it just to learn the line? I mean, there's all kinds of different reasons and appropriate uses of things like that sure Yeah, you may not have an opportunity to go through five males and grow out all their prodigy and continue to select and figure out how to You know dial it in the way you want so That makes a lot of sense. Hmm. What about you local? You have any questions on males? Yeah, I guess Yeah, the question is like how is one maybe able to distinguish? One to let's say pull a male from it, you know The original f1 versus maybe pulling a male for breeding later down in the generation like Are there instances like where people actually like, you know move a line forward to select a male or like I think seems really odd When I can't think of a situation unless I was like doing Like parallel breeding where I'm working to Two different expressions from the same line Then I would choose a male at like f5 to cross to a male like f5 up here That's it. That's a good case for doing something like that like going down to the male up here as opposed to down here Mm-hmm. I can't really think of any situation where I would Purposely choose like an f3 male over an f1 male for any situation I'm sure there are occasions where that comes up, but I can't think of one Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess maybe the only instance I could think of is maybe pulling like a male from an f2 because it is your you know largest window for selection You know and maybe to just bring diverse more diversity. Yeah, maybe yeah, but But yeah, I don't know usually yeah The thing is usually if I'm working something in my mind if I'm working something forward I'm only going forward for uniformity of a trait never for diversity, but I'm sure like if someone had like 10 seeds of a line that might actually be be decent thing to do Wait and with me when it comes to open pollinations like I'm I'm all or nothing with open pollinations It's like yeah, I have to leave all the males in there with all the females or one male one female Or or one male all females And that's only because like I feel like if you're doing any kind of Pulling out based on like oh this thing's herming that let's all remove that one I'm artificially selecting just one little thing away from that pool It's only one little thing, but I'm taking away a trait You know, I think it's not a great trait, but I'm taking away But it might be a link trait to something very special in that line and you might have just pull you So so that's the only time I would say like it's more beneficial to have all the males versus just choosing a few But if it's a space consideration like Pac was talking about that's an excellent time when it's like, you know Like you're not probably not even making seeds to sell at that point, but you're trying to go through the line That's a perfect time to you know Use what worked for you, you know, whatever's gonna help you get through that line more to understand it more Perfect case for it. I mean, you know, most people nowadays do they're in it for themselves, right? Yeah And that's idea of like it being You know a lifestyle versus like a window of opportunity you have to jump through You know, I'm saying I kind of separate some of the men from the boys. I guess like the one It always has Yeah Like when somebody gets the opportunity to fuck don't fuck you over to try and make the situation better It happened all the time like So unfortunately ruins French is man Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah What's the difference between the long timers and the short-term timers in cannabis? You know, like being in being in the seed scene for over 15 years now I've watched a revolving door of characters Some of them the most popular dudes you couldn't imagine the biggest top of the scene totally gone No one even remembers them anymore, you know It flashes in the pan like that happened all the time there's a high turnover rate in cannabis and very few are People that have been in it longer than 10 years in the seed scene that have lasted that long and that are still Going through researching trying to find the truth doing all that stuff. It doesn't yeah It's a hard thing to stick with you don't make friends trying to find history and If you're doing it like you do, you know, it's for the love So there's more to it than you know, just trying to get some Some clout right and uh, yeah In a world there is no there's zero clout to be found at the end of digging up history I promise people there's a lot of like enemies to be made So I mean we got our 420 sale coming up We're gonna kick it off for 417 for the patreon folks. So April 17th We're gonna have let's see. We got high and lonesome by any high and lonesome seeds You can get mule skinner actually by anyone so you can get real skinner and by Let's see what else do we got pack we got yours We've got the hell melon watermelon giddles Angelica by by go farm seeds get that by Riot seeds get either panda will feel or you can get something from my private stash that is Rare It'll be a grab bag. 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