 So people who think that ahu jama na hemba 2, na kwa saa the same thing people think, ahu willis ana kuja tu na cheka na sama bebe na nalipua, you see, so people have that already that bias towards these guys have it easier than me, there is that jealousy, then number 3, there is also, it's a mindset, where if you go to the comment section and you find the first people want a DC song, where you ato jaiskia, want a DC do, at least ato upata nambas. The same numbers your creed says, they got the people from having, so I think if you just come together as a country, you just come together as a people and stop the hate and just appreciate, and that's why Tanzania is the way it is, that's why Uganda is, you go to Uganda club, you go to Tanzania club, ato cheza kidogo tu, notable songs from yes, or songs that are just closely related to them, aka utilebrau na kasa uti sol, and then after you want to endelena nangobazao, so if you could just support the people more, that's why show up for listening parties, show up for events, show up for album launches, show up for events, like again I said events, probably that culture is coming back, I'm glad that people are doing events, you see 6,000, 5,000, 3,000 people showing up, that's a good thing, that way, you know if you do an event, so many people are benefiting, there's the guys who preach these things, there's protocol, there's taxi services, drivers, food, fashion, security, everything, so many, it's such a big ecosystem that if you just realize that there's a space for everybody somewhere, and come together, then we'll change this country, in a way after to record how much kusumbasa are kali, lakini wafanya kazi ndio, Baaz. All right guys, welcome to SPM Baaz, I'm hanging out with the media personality Willis Raburu. Niko salama usalmi buheru apfia sinanenu nina meno. We are here right at the KICC, the Nairobi Festival of Costs Battle of the Choirs, what's your role Willis? So I was part of the committee that was organizing the battle of the choirs appointed by our governor through the CECM of inclusivity tourism arts, that is Sri Lantoy, and of course the chief officer, one Klementrapudo, so we've been part of it, my task was media communication and also resource mobilization. Brilliant, now how is it going with communication because you know letting out the agenda of this, the battle of the choirs, how has it been for you? I mean it's been good, it's been, you know, what we did or what the governor realises, of course people have been at the festival, which everybody enjoyed the week last year, one weekend it's going to be there again this year. So what's happening now is that the church is also a very important constituency and now specifically during Easter they needed a celebration for themselves, so they became the primary target audience, over 100 and something, over 100 choirs they submitted their videos because they were supposed to submit your video, then we picked 38 who are now who competed first round yesterday, then today is the finals with 17, the governor has been gracious enough to make sure that out of those 38 each of them will get 100,000, but of course the winner gets 2 million, 2-1 million, 3-500,000, so the aim basically is just to show different people that you know because there is culture and arts and tourism, which is a new docket in Sakajas government and so it is to promote art across the board, so you see atawale wa na kwa ii pesa niya kwaia, I endi kwa accounti ya kwaia kwaia kwaia kwaia kwaia meimba, so it is to show them that you know this talent that you have ina lipa, ina jipa, kusama encouragement, yes and I think communicating that has been good, the choirs have responded, yesterday we had 6,700 people show up here, today is the finals so as the day progresses I'm sure more people are going to come, more dignitaries are expected to come and ya we are excited and it's good to be part of history. For sure, of course Willis has been someone who is really interested in the music industry of this country, how do you think we are doing, what's the status quo? I think we are doing well, I think we get a lot of side shows and flak for certain things but I think we are doing well, I think if you even look at the industry 10 years back in now we are at a very advanced stage, music has been taken more seriously, people are taking time to put together their bodies of work, I like for example what Mutori has started doing with his own kind of version of Tiny Desk, ya know that acoustic feel, everybody is putting in new people like Brandy Minor and of course Kina Suda who has a brand new album out, BN doing beautiful things with Arya Star, I mean so it's encouraging to see people push the envelope and then people work together, like yesterday was an event in Eldoret, I saw BN, VD, all the people coming out to support each other, Callagraph Jones, OG, Papa Jones, Daddy, so I think we are doing well, I think collaborate, people are realizing that if we work together we will go further, that's a good thing and then people are also taking time to make music, ya know there is a time when, of course there is a one of him and Mutori has a time when he is the one who is the one who is the best, but then the people who are sitting down to make their EP, take you through a journey, make their albums and planning launches, listening parties, corporates are working more with musicians and artists, so even TikTok and dance is growing as well, so I think we are doing well and if we are not doing well we will not have these people come here, all these other artists from Nigeria and all them to come and Tanzania to come and sample our music, I just believe that we have our musical test buds in this country is diverse, which is good, so that means that we should just try to keep up and support each other and support our own, but Willis why do you think that we actually don't support our own because when you look at YouTube streams and all that, we support Tanzanians more, is it the type of music that we do or what's up? It is neocolonilism. I think also you know and this is something that I've experienced myself, people are going through diverse things in this country, so I think the more the years keep on moving forward, the more people are empowered, the more the art, the creative industry is supported, you'll see a change because you see somebody is probably done up to his masters and he's still looking for a job, then you see somebody who has shot a music video with a phone who has a million followers, he's now earning from YouTube and he's famous, somebody who is dancing in TikTok and he's famous, so to them they think that those kind of things, these guys are, they have it too easy, but content creation is a tough thing to do, creating music, that creativity is also a tough thing to do, especially the business of music, the business side of it is also tough to do, getting aggregators to support you, getting your YouTube money, all that stuff, those are things that people don't know happen behind the scenes, I've done a music video before, done music videos actually, supported other artists doing music videos, it is expensive, so people who think that I would demand him but too, na kusaha, the same thing people think, awulisa na kutia tu na cheka na sewa mabebena na lipoa, you see, so people have that, already they are that biased towards, these guys have it easier than me, there is that jealousy then number three, there is also, it's a mindset, yeah, where if you go to the comment section and you find the first people who want a DC song, wewata oje iskia, one at this door, at least atu wupata nambas, the same nambas your creed says, the people from having, so I think if we just come together as a country, we just come together as a people and stop the hate and just approach, and that's why Tanzania is the way it is, that's what Uganda is, you go to Uganda club, you go to Tanzania club, what achesa kido go to, notable songs from, from yes, or songs that are just closely related to them, a kauti lebrau na kasa uti sol, and then after you want to learn nangobazao, so if you could just support our people more, that's why show up for listening parties, show up for events, show up for album launches, show up for, for like again I said events, the poly that culture is coming back, I'm glad that people are doing events, you see 6,000, 5,000, 3,000 people showing up, that's a good thing, that way, you know if you do an event, so many people are benefiting there, there's a guys who preach these things, there's protocol, there's taxi services, drivers, food, fashion, security, everything, so many, it's such a big ecosystem that if you just realize that there's a space for everybody somewhere and come together, then we'll change this country, in a way hata to record hata kusumbasao kali, lakini wafanya kazi ndi ho, but yeah, that's what I'm saying. Now I have to ask you about Talanta Hela Kansu Willis because you know we have artists now representing us, people who are inside, you know they understand the struggles of the artists, you know, but what are your expectations from this council? Well I think they have a let me tell you one of the things that has taken a backbone in this country has been talent, so first things first, just for the existence of the committee, that's a plus, as to people's qualms about who's there, who's not, who should be there, who's not, I think just like I have a friend who's called Steven Sheterra, whenever we talk about football clubs and new managers, he keeps saying give them time, so what I'd say is give them time, if at the end of this period they have not delivered then you have justification to say okay next time don't choose people like ABCD, but if they deliver tangible, now not just PR, you know something we can sit back and say this is a result of this committee, when well and good, I think let's let's give them time, there's nothing much you can do now, yes there's a case in court, but pending the outcome of that case there's really nothing you can do, so the best thing you can do is find out how we can work with them and then move forward. Number two, I'll quote another good friend of mine also called Shatterboy who keeps telling me the battle, the victory is not for those who want it, it is for those who a show up to bargain and negotiate, so you need to instead of being especially kamawe ni msani pewe so let those people who are, they are do your job, let it be like the provable government in opposition, where fanya kaziako keep them in check, if you think you know the issues that need to be addressed, find channels to address, I'm sure in that list of people you know one to three people, find a way to put your concerns towards them, if they listen find, if they don't again call them out, keep them on toes because now that is taxpayers money and it's no longer business as usual, so that's how I'm going to talk to the normal neighbor, the normal presenter, the normal, this is now they're using taxpayers money and they even they themselves need to get know that they need to be accountable, so even atawaki when they are called out instead of sharing away let them justify and say to mafanya ABCD when they can, of course you don't answer every criticism but let's give them time, let's see how that goes, let's see this is a matter of time now you know Willis, their parents who don't really support their kids getting into art, is it something that you would support your child to actually get into? I always joke with my fiancée, I don't know who my son Mali is, so he's just learned how to kick the ball, he kicks the ball and then he leaves, and let's see if he can let us scout what he's designed, I never copy him and he's a manager stroke agent. Retirement plan, I don't have any support, but I think what a serious thought though, I think in a world where we have so many graduates and so many people going into schools and coming out without jobs, if your child has even from a very young age if they have some talents that they show and exhibit, it doesn't necessarily need to be drumming, singing, it could be a tattoo artist, it could be a DJ, it could be that they are just good with coding, so you focus on that specific thing for a child and of course once they settle what is going on with CBC, that is what it's supposed to do, the CBC model is supposed to identify things outside of the Black and White, outside of the Black and White. So I think parents should really encourage support, even support financially, and if you can't moral support, just your son, your daughter knowing that you're watching, I've seen sometimes I remember when you used to host the gangiton artist and people are bashing it in over 10, but for me I go to see before they go on stage and they call their mum and say I'm just about to go on stage mami and then when they finish they go and say and just that for them, it means a lot, so let the parents support as much as they can, even if you don't understand it, support it, so long as ma potei nasi madre, we've got such a mum, Talentiyangu na niku, kusa madar oza ni ni, apa nasi yo, but as long as it's legal, support it. Now, niki malizia, Willis, Manu na kupelikaze, and do you actually think, because now I'm a CBC Manu tumetoka kwa, tumesha choka, do you think Arsenal is going to go home with this title? Ashindue, sasa, as of yesterday, with that draw, if Manchester City, you can do the mathematics, if Manchester City win all their games, they don't, awa na shinda, now remember you all their games, kuna April 26th, wana chesana Arsenal, so Akishina na Arsenal, sasa tenanda mihenda, zahidi, I've seen Pep Guardiola saying he loves these last few games, that's when he thrives the most, he loves being that adrenaline here, the last few games, na awa na kumukal tushina kama Manu na Saju Aguero at the stadium of lights na QPR, Aguero! So, asenali, I would like to say, manage your expectations, he mihenda, and number two, kama Manu, CC29, you see that thing for give them time, we are rebuilding, we are rebuilding Pola Pola 2, one big mistake for Arsenal that I saw even in the game against Liverpool, is they still need to work on their discipline, they are young, they are great, I tell to my friend Kazimzuri, we have to salute where it is necessary, bada, bada, bada. Na Ujiwa Manu, kama Manu kikombi achai na itwa karabao, tuko na awa, awa wakiluz, watakwame fanya ikitiyote na ita kikombi bada, na after 19 years, gai moha zani. Na Ujiwa Manu, bada isa itu, na shida efe, bada tuko Europa, wa cheni mungu eitu mungu. Efe itu na ita mehashi. Sindio? Uwade dhe! Alright Willis, thank you so much for talking to ESPEM BADZERS always. Wagwan, wagwan, wagwan. Chara to ESPEM BADZ, manu fanya kazi. Futisana, you are the future. Wagwan. Okay, alright. Thank you. Alright guys, that was Willis Raburu Media Personality, Palais Citizen TV. Thank you so much for watching.