 You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications bell so you are notified for when my next podcast goes live. I went to see an Andrew's mum last week and do you know what? For the circumstances that her two sons are in, she's very strong. It would have been, and this trafficking bullshit that girls were stuck in rooms and couldn't go out and there's victims. There's no victims. Seeing Andrew the other day on camera made me think they're mistreating him badly. And I know when Andrew's drained. I trained with Andrew when he was fighting for world title fights. I know Andrew when he's drained and he'd just come across as very drained. And that for me it did put a lump in my throat. I'd been in a fight one night and I was covered in blood. I'd beat up these two guys and I knew that I had armed police looking for me on the estate. And I rang Tristan. I said, Tristan, I said, I'm hiding in a fucking bush. I said, I need you to come get me. I've done this. Do you know what? Them boys have got your back and that's what I will say about them. They're super loyal. They're super loyal in terms of if you're out with them on a night out and you have trouble, it doesn't matter how many guys are trying to fight you. They will be on the front line fighting with you. And then you've got Vice News who are doctor in evidence. You know, they're doctor in evidence. They're taking things out of context to make them look like a monster in any way they can. They knew that was a hit piece in the first place. But people are just reading that from Vice News and they're running with it. I'm absolutely disgusted with a few people and I'm not going to say any names. They know who they are. You know, they were up Andrew's ass the whole time when he's risen to fame and now the storms come. I haven't fucking heard a word from any of them. They'll never break him. They will never break. They will have to, they will genuinely have to kill Andrew to break him. Do you think that's a possibility or not? After what I've seen now with this justice system and how they're treating them, I think anything's a possibility. When we're on. Yes. Today's guest. We've got Norris. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. It's Rory Sinnet. Yeah. Yeah, easy work for me mate. Thanks bro. First of all, thanks for coming on the show. Yeah. Good friends with Andrew too. You've known him for many years. Yeah. A lot of stuff getting put out there about him. A lot of lies as well. I will have his back at this as well. There's never any smoke without fire. We can't be daft and just have somebody's back a million percent. But a lot of stuff and accusation getting thrown around where there's no evidence, no proof. He's in prison. They've extended it. We know the corruption in Romania is like that. Has he become too powerful where they can't have him outside anymore? Well, this is it. And this is what it is for me. You know, like the first 30 day extension. I thought, okay, maybe, you know, maybe, but the second one, I thought, no, no, no, something's extremely wrong here. You know, and it's easy for the media to slay him in such a way that, you know, he looks like this supervillain. So the reason why I'm here today is to give a credible source of opinion and fact on their true characters. You know, because I do believe that they've been treated unfairly by the media and by the justice system. And that's why I was happy when you reached out to me that, you know, we could have a chat about this. So I'm happy to cover all angles. Yeah. And that's why we're here. That's what it's all about. Cover all angles and question everything. I always say this stuff, but it's true. My life is a mad thing. And whether people get set up, tripped up, there is so much corruption goes out there. Like I say, listen, Andrew's not a saint, but he's still a man with no convictions. He's still a man who promotes a good message as well. I first had him on probably, I was probably one of the first nearly two years ago. And like he will say to himself, he has a funny character in the major story. He's hilarious. He's hilarious. He knows he's going to get a rise. Did they think he would probably get as big as it would have? I don't know if it did. Absolutely not. So all that stuff that he says then comes back and bites him. But you actually sit with the cameras off, you realise how much a gentleman this man is, how much caring he is, how respectful he is as well, not just to me, but other people around us. Very well-mannered, very well-mannered boys. One million percent. And I can go with energy and he's got a good energy. Or else people wouldn't buy into him anyway. Before we get into everything, I'll go back to the start of my guess. Get a bit of an understanding about Urore when you grew up and how it all began yourself. Cool. Well, I grew up in Luton. It's a town where I think a lot of Irish immigration came in the 60s because a lot of them worked at Vauxhall, the car plant there. I know that Andrew's mum, she came from that same background of Irish immigration who come over for the work. And it's just a working class town where, you know, there is poverty in the town. There are some rough areas, some rough estates. And there's also some nice parts of the town too where, you know, the people who have prospered have either bought in these areas of the town or they've got out ultimately. But yeah, that's where we're from, Luton. I'm 33 years old. So, yeah. It's a lot of boy, mate. You look 21, 22, mate. Thanks. You look young. You do look younger. Yeah. Does people say that to you? I do hear that sometimes. Yeah, but I've got plenty of platinum highlights coming through. So, mate, don't worry. Just for men, what's one does? It makes up for it. Yeah. So, I met Andrew and Tristan when I was... I met Andrew first, funny enough. I don't know if you remember. Do you remember the platform Bebo? Yeah. Okay. So, Andrew had a profile on Bebo. And at this point, he was a British champion kickboxer. And I was actively boxing in the amateur gyms. You know, I was no champion of any kind. But, you know, I could throw a punch. I could take one as well. So, he messaged me out of the blue one day saying, heard you can fight. I said, fucking... All right. I knew who they were. I knew who Andrew and Tristan were. I mean, they already had a reputation in the town as being the fighting brothers. And Andrew was already a troll on the internet on Bebo. And I was a troll on my page. So, I think that's probably where he thought, who is this kid? So, he messaged me and he asked if I could fight. And I said, well, I'd like to think so. He said, okay, cool. I'll pick you up at eight and we'll go fight. I said, okay, cool. I thought, that's a bit, you know, out of the blue, very forward. Cool, no worries. I thought, I'm never going to turn down my straightener. No, I love a straightener more than anyone. So, he says, all right, I'll pick you up at eight. And at the time, I was living at my auntie's house. I'd been kicked out of my family home because I was naughty. I was a little shit. So, I was living at my auntie's house. And I looked out the window at eight o'clock. And Andrew's sitting there in the car. So, I thought, fucking hell, he's here. So, I've got in the car. He says, nice to meet you. Very polite. Again, like, you know, very, he come across as a really nice guy. He says, what gym do you want to go to? We can go to the boxing gym or wherever you want. I said, well, funny enough, I got two day passes for David Lloyds. He was my dad's gym. So, we can use them and go there if you like. So, we went down there. So, we got there and we thought, okay, cool. We've got our gloves. We've got our, you know, we've got our wraps and everything. So, we got ready to have a spa. And he said, do you want to do boxing kickboxing? I said, well, obviously boxing because I've never kicked boxing in my life. And with that, we put our gloves on and within two rounds, he'd put me on my ass probably twice. And, you know, he kept asking me, have you had enough? I said, no, no, no, no. I'll decide when, you know, I've had enough. He's got up and put me on my ass again. I think after the third or fourth time, he was just like, no, I think enough's enough. You know, like he's very heavy-handed and I've realized, fucking hell, this man can fight. He can bang. Yeah. So, after that, he said, look, we've only been in the gym for 15 minutes. We may as well go and do a bit upstairs. So, we went on the bikes, on the exercise bikes. And on the exercise bikes, it was where we realized that we actually shared a lot in common in terms of our views and things on life and, you know, our morals and everything else. So, we just clicked. We clicked instantly and it was weird because I struggled to click with a lot of people because I just don't find myself on the same, like, level with them in terms of humor, in terms of sometimes intellect, you know, in lots of different ways. I find it very hard to click with people. But Andrew was one of them people who I instantly clicked with. So, with that, he said, look, you know, I think you're quite a cool guy. He says, I want you to meet my brother. I said, all right, cool. Like, I knew who his brother was, obviously. So, we went to a place called Hitchin, which is Hartfordshire. He had a flat there and Tristan's going to kill me for saying this. So, we walked into the flat and when we've gone upstairs, all I could hear was girls making orgasmic sounds from a bedroom. I said, he goes, oh, I think he's having a threesome at the minute. I said, what? Okay, well, this blew my mind. I've never walked in a flat to meet someone and they're having a threesome in their bedroom. So, yeah, I went into the living room, sat down, and me and Andrew were watching TV. I think he was watching Judge Judy, which I know he likes Judge Judy now because when I got to know him, I found out he actually likes Judge Judy. So, we were watching Judge Judy and then Tristan comes out with Hot and Sweaty. Oh, hi, Ron. I'm Tristan. You know, nice to meet you. And then obviously after that, there is no being friends with Andrew if you're not friends with Tristan. That's never a demographic to anyone. So, instantly, I got along with Tristan because obviously he shares the same views and opinions as Andrew anyway. They're like two peas in a pod. They're like the one person. Honestly, they really are. And that's because they spend more time with each other than anyone else, you know? So, it's one of them things where if you don't like Andrew, you won't like Tristan and vice versa. Why do you think they are so similar? Usually brothers, listen to brothers, but they'll still love each other, no doubt brothers, but there are no many brothers that fight and argue. They seem to have an understanding of each other. Why do you think that is? I think that stems probably from their dad. I think their dad made them that close. I think their dad was the one who told them how important it is to have a brotherhood like that. I think obviously where their mum and dad were separated. You know, I know they lived in America and they flew back here to live in England because their mum is originally from Luton. I think they realized the importance of sticking together because they never had their dad in the home. You know, I know he used to come over and see them, but I know that they were in regular contact with their dad all the time, but in terms of living with their mum, they found it very important to stick together. Yeah, because when I had Andrew on it, I touched on his dad, but I noticed he's changing energy. Yeah. Once he's back on again, I will ask him again because he missed his dad's funeral. Yeah. And they had an answer for it, but I don't think that's a real answer. I think there's such a connection there between his dad and I want to ask him the question as well, if your dad was still living, would you be saying this shit that you're saying as well? I don't know. Do you think he'd be a different character? Do you think he was already on that path? No, I'll be honest. I know they had a very special relationship to Andrew and his dad, and I know he loved his dad, like, to the moon, you know? Like, his dad was his hero. I mean, his dad was a very, very intelligent man. I met Emery at Hanford at times, and all I can say is he was different gravy, you know? Speaking to Emery, having one conversation would leave you mind blown, you know? So I can understand the influence he would have had on Andrew and Tristan, which is why I believe they're such masculine men. You know, I think that was something that come from their father. In terms of the funeral, I don't know too much. I remember Andrew being very, very upset when his dad died. It was very hard to contact him. It was very, you know, he didn't want to talk about it. Same with Tristan. It wasn't something we've really touched up on because I know how sensitive they are when it comes to their dad. But no, I do believe the reason for the funeral. I think I heard him say before, it was his setting up the business and it was such a crucial time that he would have missed out on something and his dad would have been extremely angry if he had missed that to go to a funeral or something along them lines. He says it to me and I've watched it back and it's always played in my mind. Maybe that is the truth, but I believe there's more depth to it and I believe... Maybe so. Maybe so. Because I listen to the way he speaks about his dad. Like you say, it hails his dad as a hero. His dad? Yeah. It's not as if his dad was there every day. So to still have that relationship a lot of people turn against their parents. I think a lot of it's respect as well. I think he respected his father so much. I only met Emery a handful of times. So it's hard for me to say what happened in the past or anything like that or how Emery was as a person. But all I know is every time I spoke to Emery he doted on Andrew. Andrew doted on him. They have the ultimate father-son relationship. Even if it was long distance, I must say they had the ultimate father-son relationship. Same with Tristan as well. I think people leave Tristan out a lot. They don't realise how important Tristan is to this puzzle. Because Tristan had the same... Tristan had a relationship with his dad. I don't think he was as close as Andrew. But you know, I think Tristan is the way he is because of his father as well. I think as Tristan... My one opinion is probably the cog, the main cog in the wheel that he's... Andrew's out there very outspoken but I feel as if Tristan could guide them. He guides it. I think he finds the balance because Andrew would just go full steam ahead. Tristan is a weapon. Tristan is a very, very intelligent charming man. Why do you think he's flown through the radar? And Andrew's when the most good man on the planet... Because Andrew's the most controversial. Andrew's the one open in his mouth saying things that are going to upset the global elites. Tristan doesn't really say that. Tristan's more of a different influencer. Yeah, Tristan influences masculinity. But he does it in a way of Instagram photos phrases that people can read and go, wow, Andrew on the other hand is saying what he thinks on things like feminism, on things like the pandemic. Things that are so controversial that are going to kick up a storm. And I think that's why Andrew's become the limelight rather than Tristan. So how did the relationship blossom for the next 10 years? Oh well. So after fighting with Andrew, we decided that we were going to train together. He said, you know, you've got a lot of potential. You've got a massive heart. You know, we get along. So let's fight together in the gym. So I started going down to storm gym in Luton and training with Andrew and Tristan under Amir Sabasik, who's Andrew's coach. And funny enough, the week after we met, I'd moved out of Marty's house and gone back to my family home and got kicked out again. I said, ah, fucking hell, Andrew. What am I going to do? He said, bro, come and move in with us. It's not a problem. We train every day. You sleep on the couch. You could do what you want. It's not a problem. So I ended up living with them for a few weeks and obviously we were all just battering each other. Andrew and Tristan would give me a hiding and I'd be their sparring partner. So we all just got along. We ripped the shit out of each other all the time. Tristan loves getting me in terms of pranks and things like that. That's been a long-term thing with me and Tristan. We call it get-in-each-other. So there's a rule that you can't be angry if you've been gone. That's not a thing you just have to laugh and accept it. And that's where the friendship sort of blossomed because it ended up, me, Tristan and Andrew, we used to go out every weekend together. We used to have each other's backs in terms of hitching and looting are quite close. Everyone or groups of people there would have known us. Andrew, somehow, and Tristan, they have this presence when they walk in a room. It's like the whole place stops and looks at them. I don't know whether it's because they're so tall. I don't know whether they hear Andrew speak. He has one of them voices that you turn around and listen to. But everywhere we went, they sort of had a presence and we always had to have each other's backs because there was also a lot of people in Luton that didn't like us. I think the main element of it was jealousy. They're good-looking lads. They're tall. They've got titles. Girls want them. A lot of men were bitter because they couldn't be them. Andrew drove a nice Porsche. I think a lot of it was jealousy and bitterness because maybe they'd, I don't know, slept with someone's girlfriends or things like that. It was never a genuine reason not to like them. That's what I always found. And the same with me. For 10 years, I got called an arse kisser. You're going to get called to even watch and you know what? I said it from day one. I said, I'm telling you now, this guy's going to be huge. I said that about Andrew since day one. They were like, whatever, mate, whatever. And now he's huge. They're all following him. And now I'm right. They've all shut up. They're like, maybe he was right. Well, they're all kissing his arse now. I'm fighting to try and get him out of jail as best as I can. Because when I had the one in first team, it has a presence. I've interviewed so many people from all walks of life, billionaires, homeless, gangsters. Yeah. Oh, I've seen, I've seen. You know what I mean? But it has got a presence. When he leaves, it makes you think. I remember my cameraman, Nick, saying, that was unbelievable. And I thought, what? Because I do have the interviews. You don't really see them then. You don't really feel it because you're so engaged to try and create a story. Yeah. And then you watch, you go, yeah, you're right. He's got something. Yeah. I didn't realise how big he would have went. Like, this was nearly two years ago. I knew he had something. I knew he was very outspoken. I know they've caused controversy, but fuck me. I like to be the most good, good man in the planet. Like Donald Trump brought his names behind him. Like, and you watch his videos. And I think TikToks took a lot off now. But when you see them, you realise how powerful for the meshes are. And you go back 10 years as well. And how, when they're talking about women, when they're talking about ladies, like, they're respectful and try to tell you the tools and techniques, how to be a better man. And that's not a crime because if suicide's at the highest, it's ever been, there's something's not right. James, let me say something. So Andrew has coached me through, since the day he's met me, he's told me when I've been a dickhead. He's told me when I've done something wrong. You know, he's helped me, same as Tristan. You know, like any time I was doing something that was, they looked at as, you know, degeneracy or, like, or bad, they'd always, they'd reprimand me in a way that an older brother should almost, you know. And Andrew, for some reason, he had one of them voices that if he'd say something to you, you listen. You know, I was told by lots of people, you know, my own family, like, well, you're a dickhead, why have you done that for? And I just, whatever, I don't care what you say. As soon as Andrew said it, you listened. And I don't know why he just had that presence and that influence to make you stop and think. And, you know, they saved me from a few scenarios in my time growing up, you know, like, for example, I've been in a fight one night. And I was covered in blood. You know, I'd beat up these two guys. And I knew that I had armed police looking for me on the estate. And I rang Tristan. I said, Tristan, I said, I'm hiding in a fucking bush. I said, I need you to come get me. I've done this. He said, Rauron, what the fuck are you doing? They call me Rauron, by the way, which is Rauron, the moron. So, ha! Right. That's just a nickname Tristan generated from years ago and it's stuck. I even get random people calling me it now. So Tristan kind of picked me up and he had a black Range Rover at the time and it wasn't new. It was an old one. I think, you know, he was trying to look good for business. It was an old Range Rover, but he kind of picked me up. You know, and we laughed and we laughed and we're driving through the estate and we could see the police and everything. We both laughed in. And he said, look, what the fuck are you doing? You know, like, is this what you want for your fucking life? Like, do you really think this is worth it over two dickheads? Like, you know, and they just had that presence that made you sit back and think, you're right. Do you think it's cool to be the Weatherspoons champion? You know, like fighting in pubs and stuff every week. They were never like that. They were always just... They were very placid on nights out. You know, they wouldn't go out fighting. I think maybe in our time of going out, Tristan... Me and Tristan Morso, Andrew's been in a couple of fights out but Tristan Morso has had my back in the sense of he'd knocked someone out for me before. And, you know, so they always had my back but they always told me also when I was being a dickhead is my point. So, yeah. It didn't cause trouble but for it to come to you, you've got to stand up for yourself. Exactly. I know some of them, they pulled an E for Andrews sometime and because I used to... When they spoke, he told me that... I don't know if he was jumped somewhere. I can't remember where it was. People jumped out of a car and they punched him and I'm thinking about, you know, a world champion kickboxer. Why not fucking let them? But I think they're back as me because I think they told me that somebody tried to sneak up and then one time at the car, they tried to stab him. Yeah, I've heard that from Andrew before. Yeah, I don't know the internals on the story but I know he has a scar on his hand after it. So he always hoped the injured are set as out, yeah. Yeah, and do you know what? Them boys have got your back and that's what I will say about them. They're super loyal. They're super loyal in terms of... If you're out with them on a night out and you have trouble, it doesn't matter how many guys are trying to fight you, they will be on the front line fighting with you. And that's something I instantly respected about them because I'm the same sort of guy. Like, if my friends are fighting, I'm fighting too. For example, I was dancing with a girl on a dance floor one night and I got side punched because she had a boyfriend and I didn't know. The girl had invited me in to dance, you know. So I've been punched and it was bang! Wow, so I've held myself up on the wall because it was a side punch. I've turned around to punch the guy back and he's missing. I thought, what the fuck? And I see Tristan doing this. I looked down, Tristan had laid the guy out. You know, I only thought it was hilarious because he got side punched by Tristan after he punched me. So yeah, I do know in that sense that they've always had my back and I know that they're loyal guys to be with. So that, for me, was the reason why I thought, do you know what, these are my friends. You know, because I've seen friendship groups where people have been punching and their mates are nowhere to be seen. I knew then that they had my back through any shit and that's genuinely what appealed me to them was, you know, their... A, their stance on my behaviour. You know, like they didn't encourage me to do anything bad whereas my other friends were encouraging it almost. B, they always had my back in any fight situations where they knew I wasn't wrong. You know, like they stick up for themselves and anyone that they're with. But I admired that in them and that's what I think drew us close for his friends. Did you, is there a difference between them from five years ago to with their kind of relative unknown to being the most good man on the planet? Have you seen them change or have they been the same? No, they're exactly the same. I think they like nicer things now, obviously, because they made a lot of money very quickly from selling their courses. But in terms of character, no, they really are the same people. Like, I'm not rich James. These boys have never left me out regardless of what they've got or who they're around. For example, the cannon run is a supercar rally that goes through Europe. I don't know. I know it costs thousands of pounds each. That's all I know. And I've never asked the exact cost because I don't really want to know because I feel embarrassed that Andrew has bought me on this every year for the last three years. And I've said to him before, look, let me contribute. No, you're not. All right, cool. So he'd pay for absolutely everything and they've never asked for a penny ever. And for me, that's massive because it shows that even though they've got all this money and they've made all this money, they haven't changed who their friends are. They haven't changed what their own morals are. So they're just really good guys. They're really, really good guys. How much does loyalty mean to Andrew and Tristan? Massive. Massive. I know the minute or the second that Andrew or Tristan doesn't trust someone, they're gone. And I know that. Which is why, for me, I have key to the house. Now, I've been trusted in rooms with money, substantial amounts of money. And I know that they give everyone a chance and the minute they smell anything that's off, you're gone. And I know that because I've seen prime examples of that for years. Yeah, people just cut off straight away. There's no hesitation, no conversation, nothing. It's one of them things, you're gone. But I think I'm at a point now where they know that I've been in situations where they could trust me now with anything. So. This is the most crucial time in their life where they need as much people they can trust around them as possible. Because let's be honest, like Andrew's even says that, number one, no cancer. Second, they'll put you in prison. Third, they'll kill you. He is potentially that big that they could kill him off. I think now that he's speaking on issues that affect the global elites and their narrative. They're trying to shut him down more than ever. And it's made them bigger. Yeah. Cancer don't make them bigger. Everybody else to go silent because how can you speak? It's made them bigger now. He's got too much influence. He can change. He could change. He could influence an election. Elections. But he says that. And I think that's the thing where I'm in it. He's right. Because when you're getting millions and fewer of those fewer millions at times, many issues who are living 12 are talking about Andrew Tate. Yeah. I'm a legend to their friends because I've interviewed them. Yeah. How is he? How is he? I just messaged me today. Yeah. And they're fucking buzzing. Yeah. People are buzzing that if you know Andrew Tate or if you've interviewed them, that's the kind of presence that it has that. So all this shit that's kind of got them in trouble tonight. Were you there when they started the webcam business? Were you around at that moment? I was around. Yeah. I lived in Romania. I think the first year they went there, I lived with them. I, you know, I lived in the house with them. I knew the girls, you know. I still speak to some of the girls today with friends and the allegations are the biggest load of bullshit. And I say hand on heart because I've seen them coming, seen them going as they pleased. I've seen them at the mall buying coffees and spending their wages on designer goods. You know, I've seen how they were dressed. I've seen how they were treated. They were spoke too well, you know. I don't know. Maybe they had a few arguments at some point. Who doesn't with staff and, you know, girls or whatever. But in terms of Tristan and Andrew speaking to girls and how they treated the women, I was there. I was physically there in the room. And that's why I'm here today because I'm a credible source of information. They treated these girls with respect. They spoke to them politely. There were some girls who weren't happy with some arrangement sometimes and they'd always say, if you don't like it, you're free to go home, you know. And they were never physically aggressive. They were never, I think they probably swore, like if the girls were screaming and shouting at them because they weren't happy with the situation, I think, you know, they might say, hold on a fucking minute. But there was never any aggression towards the women in the sense that the media are making out. And that's why I feel that it's important for someone like myself to say this today because I've lived it. It would have been... And this trafficking bullshit that girls were stuck in rooms and couldn't go out and there's victims. There's no victims. I was there. And I mean that in a sense of... I think they've used the word trafficking to try and destroy Andrew because they know that he's brought girls from different parts of the world or whatever. But they've made it almost look like that movie, Hostel. You know, they've created this supervillain from him because he's such an influence. There was no victims. And I can say that hand on heart. And it would have been an operation in itself to hide it from me if there was, because I was there. So I don't understand where this is all come from. Mudge sticks, but it doesn't seem to be sticking with Andrew. So that's the thing. Every week they seem to be coming out with new allegations. How has a friend to be seen that? I'll be honest. I know they're strong men. They're big men. They can look after themselves, you know? I've been arrested a few times. I can look after myself. And they know that. They know that too. But seeing how they're being treated now is very worrying. Not only it's sad for me. It's sad personally for me because it's like watching my brothers, you know, being mistreated by a justice system. And I thought they'd be out by now. So that's even more sad because I think nothing's promised now. I thought they'd be well out by now on bail because there's no evidence and whatever. You know, there's no evidence. There's no evidence on their case files. I thought they'd be out. They're not out. So now it's getting to a time where it's very worrying. And seeing Andrew the other day on camera made me think they're mistreating him badly. And I know Andrew. I know when Andrew's drained. You know, I trained with Andrew when he was fighting for world title fights. I know Andrew when he's drained and he just come across as very drained. And that for me, it did put a lump in my throat because it's sad to see boys who are so well-mannered, who are so polite, who would help anyone. You know, they hold charities that are close to their hearts, very close to them, and they give to these charities that are very charitable men. To see someone who's trying to influence men in the world positively and to see someone who's so kind-hearted to the people around them, it's horrible to see them being treated this way. Yeah, you see them very... That's me when I reached out with the beards that they can't be given them razors. You don't even know if he's eating as well because you don't know if the food's getting poisoned, the water's getting poisoned. These are things that can... Yeah. If you're so against the elite, not against the elite, but speaking out against the elite, they would do anything to kill you off. I think they're doing anything to try and destroy Andrew. Leave them. Yeah, Tristan seemed a lot more... Tristan seemed angry. You know, Tristan got out of the prison bus and he shouted, they have no evidence against me. They're trying to steal my money and they're trying to steal my cars. Now, I know Tristan. Tristan is a man of honour. He would never have got out of that bus and he would never have shouted what he did if he was guilty because I know that he... I just know him as a character that he wouldn't do that because I've known him for so long. So he's shouting that and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, I just know it's bullshit. And then obviously you've got Andrew. Andrew was looking very drained when he came out of Dilcot the other day, but was I concerned? Yes. Was I worried? No. And I'm not worried for the fact that I know Andrew so well. And I know that they'll never break him. They will never break... They will have to... They will genuinely have to kill Andrew to break him. Do you think that's a possibility? After what I've seen now with this justice system and how they're treating them, I think anything's a possibility. Yeah. And I think because they know the influence that Andrew has on the world, it's absolutely a possibility and it's scary because he's not calling out small things. He's calling out the global elites and the issues that, you know, are changing the world. And they're not liking it. I think he's against their narrative of making men weak and that's going to seriously dictate as to what happens in the future. And I think the best thing for Andrew to do would be to go to a safe haven and, you know, just stay there because he's... Anywhere in the west I believe that they're unsafe. Yeah. I know he's always wary of being in London because I was supposed to have him back on in December. Yeah. But he just wanted in and out. I think you were to see Pierre Morgan and a couple other people back. Yeah. He wasn't in long enough. He says, look, bro, I'm just, I'm in an outcome and see me in January. Obviously, I get fucking... That's exactly what happened to me. He told me that he's not leaving the hotel. He refuses to leave the hotel. He can't go out of a watch on. You know, he doesn't trust London at all. And that's genuine. That's only happened as of late because beforehand he would. He'd fly up to Luton and see us. He'd go anywhere freely. But now he refuses to do that because he feels unsafe. It becomes a target then because people know who he is. People know what kind of watches he wears, what cars he drives. You've seen the young kid smashing the big atty trying to steal the man who's driving the watch. The world is in turmoil. There's a lot of good things in the world as well, but it seems a bit shaky at the moment. We've got fucking drag queens reading stories to kids. We've got fucking some guy in Glasgow raped two women, put a wagon at court and they sent him to a women's prison. I've seen that. Yeah. The world is mad and I've got some Scottish girl sticking up for him saying that he's somebody's kid as well. What about the fucking two girls? It's unbelievable what's going on there now. Let us speak out about it frequently. I get so much stick for it as well, but I can only speak from a father's point of view from somebody who sees the world a bit differently and not be scared to say something just because of what people say. Fuck everybody else. It's crazy how scared people are to say what they truly believe. And it's also crazy how many people believe the mainstream media. But I've seen titles in the mainstream media for example, Andrew's a self-proclaimed misogynist. That's everything he said he wasn't on video. But they put these headlines and it says self-proclaimed misogynists and people go, oh my God. They say sex trafficker, alleged sex trafficker and rapist. They just ignore the word alleged because it's just an allegation right now. There's no proof. They ignore that word and they just go completely with it. Well, he's a rapist. He's a sex trafficker. I've had it myself. I've had it myself in Luton where people have asked, oh, how's the sex trafficking going? And I just look at him. I say, you don't know what you're fucking talking about. You've been listening to the BBC. And then you've got Vice News who are doctor in evidence. You know, they're doctor in evidence. They're taking things out of context to make him look like a monster in any way they can. They knew that was a hit piece in the first place. But people are just reading that from Vice News and they're running with it. And unfortunately, it's a massive percentage of people who will run with these headlines and run with these titles and try and label Andrew as a monster. Yeah, what happened with Vice News? Why did they rate him, then? I think Andrew let Vice News in simply because he hadn't done nothing wrong. And he wanted to give that Matt O'Shea an experience of what it's like to be in the war room. You know, they gave him a fight. I don't know if you've seen, they gave him a cage fight. And, you know, Matt O'Shea made out that he was enjoying himself and, you know, he wasn't making out that he... Tristan knew it was a hit piece from day one and so did Andrew. There's no secret there. But they didn't think that things would be taken out of context to the point of what it has been if that makes sense. They never thought that Matt O'Shea would tell so many lies and try and corner them as much as he did with, you know, questions that he already knew the answers to. He was just trying to get things to be taken out of context for Vice News. Vice News itself is not a credible source simply because it's a pure leftist organization. It's funded by Soros. And people like Matt O'Shea, I'll be totally honest, he said that he went there and he had a great experience. And that, you know, his opinion had changed on everything because he'd seen everything and then he went away and just wrote a load of lies. And that to me is a weasel. So I've never trust Matt O'Shea and if Matt O'Shea has any friends, I feel sorry for them. But did they delete the post as well once they'd put it out because there was so much positive comments for Andrew? Is that right? I don't know. Yeah, I think they deleted that. Did they? Well, and that doesn't surprise me either because they're probably backtracking on all the lies that they've told. But people had Tommy Robinson on and whether people like him or not, he has some valid points. Yeah. People were paid to target him. Yeah. Girls came forward, they would go through everything in your life, tell stories, who have you had arguments with, who have you sat, previous relationships, pay these people to come forward and tell stories about you. So I know how dark the government are working. The mainstream media are disgusting. Whether it's a matrix or whatever you want to call it now, they can discredit you. Yes. At an alarming rate, just Andrew's got such high following now that it doesn't matter. They were so proactive on canceling Andrew because of his following. You know, that's the only reason he was arrested so fast. They've arrested him with no evidence. They just wanted him out. They wanted radio silence from him. That's all this is about. It's corrupt as anything I've ever seen. But I didn't see them so proactive on Jeffrey Epstein's list of clients. Why haven't they been raided for trafficking children? You don't see any of that. Also, the date of the arrest was also very coincidental because it was the same date with the, is it the JPMorgan scandal? Yeah. Yeah, I found that very strange. It was like a deflection from seeing what was really going on. The elites, if you don't suit their narrative, they're going to come for you. This is an absolute witch hunt. This is mainstream media for you that would rather talk about Will Smith slapping somebody on stage and talk about the flight logs for Epstein with the most high profile people on this planet. I've been on those planes to those islands. Not necessarily everybody's guilty who's been there, but you must have an incline that this man's a convicted fucking pedophile. So if you're there, there's a 99% chance that you're one as well. You're there for a reason. But if you speak out against a hierarchy listen man, you become a target because I've got so much money. We're the peasants. Yeah, not only that. I've heard evidence that's just untrue. I've heard voice notes. And I immediately know, I'm talking Andrew. Andrew don't speak like that. I know how he speaks to women. I know because I've been there when he's been with his girlfriends. I just knew straight away that that's not real evidence. So they're trying to pull anything they can to the masses turn against him and hate him because they know what an influence that he has on men of the younger generation. And it's scary. It's real scary times because it doesn't matter what side of the coin you're on. To be arrested so corruptly is a danger for everyone because it just means that if they don't like anyone, they can pick and choose who they want to lock away and as long as they print a few bad titles about them, it won't matter. What is it that actually charged with? They haven't, I don't know, there's no evidence. So I don't know if they've been charged with anything. I think they've been arrested on suspicion of rape and human trafficking. I know that the rape was dropped due to insufficient evidence and I don't think, you know, I don't think they would have dropped that if they had any inkling to it being true. So they had to drop that. They've been arrested for human trafficking and I think originally I think they were six victims. No, they were two, they were one. I think that the rest of gave videos saying it's bullshit. Well, and Dilco or whoever the governing body is that have took this on have told them that they can't back out as being victims. They never labeled themselves victims in the first place. The police did that. The guys from Fortress said I was never a victim. No, I know these boys. They were lovely. You know, I was, what's the problem? Oh, no, we're saying you're victims. They just don't reply. Now they're ignoring them. They're just going ahead with the case. It's honestly, it's the most corrupt thing in the world. When you've got victims coming forward and saying I'm not a victim and you're still being that's very worrying times. I know a lot of girls have came forward and saying they're the best guys to work with. Andrew sat on the podcast and says he's a pimp, says he had 75 girls working for me. So listen, I keep one girl friend and keep one girl happy. It's hard work. Yeah. There's going to be catfights. There's going to listen to sex workers at the end of the day. Not to bring sex workers down. But if somebody offers them money to say shit against Andrew, listen, a high percentage of the time they're going to take it. They play boys. Exactly. That's all they are. Yeah. Their main objective is to make money. Listen, if you are giving away your fucking board that you make money, then you're a low vibrational being. It's not that, James. Andrew and Tristan, they didn't want to be criminals. They never wanted to be criminals. And this is something I must highlight because when I was young, I had all sorts of ideas of making money and they weren't legal. And Tristan and Andrew were always the ones to say, can't do that. It's illegal. You're always going to be having to watch over your shoulder. You can't do that. That's illegal. That's the same thing. Just don't do nothing illegal because it will come back on you. And A and B, it's not worth the hassle. Exactly. So that was the first thing. The second thing, I know when they started the webcam that every single girl that worked was voluntarily working. You know, it was all voluntary. I think Andrew and Tristan may have took their car. I don't know how they operated in that sense. I never got involved in the finances. But what I can say is there was never any trafficking or what the media are making out what they are. So it's very scary to watch. So even the popularity rose to the new highs that the fear that they would get the jewel or was it just an idea that was a possibility but would never happen? I don't think that they thought it would get to this extent. Andrew always said he was concerned that his voice would get him in trouble because he's saying things against governments, everything else. But I don't think he was expecting this. I don't think he was expecting it to get to a point where he was being held without evidence. You know, because that's a crime in itself. Being held without evidence is a crime. So yeah, and it's a shame because you have people that are condoning what these people are doing to them purely on the basis that they don't like them. And that's not healthy. That's not healthy for society. And it doesn't... These people that don't like them that want them locked up are quite happy to go with these allegations and these false headlines purely on the basis of hate. And that's dangerous because there may come a time in their life where they have a relative or a friend who's locked up like myself right now and they've done nothing wrong. But you know, everyone's saying it's okay just because the media said so. Do you become a target? Because you hold close to the yard with them? I don't have a massive influence. You know, I'm not a massive influencer. In fact, I'm known to take confidential from Ian Peter. You know, I'm not an influencer. I'm a joker. I'm a prankster. You know, I'm a friend of theirs. Have I had comments made at me? Have I become a target in any sense of society? Yeah, I have. I can't go into the pub anymore without someone saying something in passing or, you know, ah, that's the rapists, mate. You know, I've heard that. I've heard, ah, that one, that's the one who done the human trafficking. That's the one that lived in Romania. I'm sitting there and I'm thinking you're not fucking mental. You know, like, anyone who knows me knows that I'd never human traffic or rape anyone. I don't condone any sort of behaviour like that at all. Andrew and Tristan don't condone it either. And I know that because I've hung around with them for so long. You know, I know their parents. I know their mum. I know how their mum raised them. She's one of the most lovely women I've ever met. And anyone that knows Andrew and Tristan personally or dealt with them in any sort of business will tell you how well mannered they are, you know, how respectful they are, how, how they speak to people. They speak to people in certain ways. And they're just, they're generally polite. So it's, it's massively concerning to see the position they're in now because of Andrew's voice. What? Did Andrew get charged with rape five years ago and he get threw out? No evidence again? He got thrown out. I remember the case. I, again, you know, I had my own stuff going on. I didn't really ask the ins and outs. But I know it got thrown out with no evidence. And I know that one of the witnesses who was meant to give a statement said to the police, no, you know, he said, no, I'm not doing that because this girl's done this before. So obviously the police went on. Well, okay, well, she was the one that said to, to ask you. He said, no, I'm absolutely not putting a statement in because I know it's bullshit. So yeah, Andrew's had a few people come at him and it's simply because of bitterness and jealousy towards him or a relationship hasn't worked out. And the girls turned bitter and put an allegation on him. And that's genuinely the truth because I've seen the statements. I've seen all this. I've seen this happen before, but nothing to the extent of what's going on now today. Who's Andrew's mum? We're for all. I went to see an Andrew's mum last week and do you know what? For the circumstances that her two sons are in, she's very strong. She's very strong and she's she's such a kind lady. And I know that. I know how she raised them. You know, she clothed and fed them boys every day of their lives. We used to go, I used to go to pick up mail with Andrew and I used to go there with Tristan to sit and drink beers in the kitchen and wind his mum up. So I know her. Her name's Eileen. She's a real nice woman. But yeah, for the circumstances her sons are in, she's doing really well and she's positive. She knows in her own head that it's bullshit. You know, she's been brought under scrutiny by the press. And I think that's absolutely disgusting because, you know, it's nothing to do with her for a start. Secondly, you know, she's obviously under a lot of pressure. And no, but the way she's handled it is amazing. She's she's really, she's a real, real strong woman. And it does make me think that's where they get it from. It's not just their dad. She's a very strong lady. Yeah. So that's the only thing it's a strain that when you in prison or whatever whether you're right or wrong, it's a strain. It's simply by the it puts one around you. Of course. Of course. I've lost jobs over this. You know, I've been on building sites where the site manager would say, oh, your mate's a bit of a dickhead, isn't he? And I was around and said, well, so is yours. He said, well, you don't know my mate. I said, well, you don't fucking know mine. You know, like, and that's caused the tension where it's got to a point of I've left the job. I've had it's had a massive strain on my relationships in terms of my girlfriend. You know, we we we've fallen out massively over all this and it's simply because she doesn't she doesn't understand why I put my ass on the line to try and talk so well of my friends in a public light. And the reason for that is because if I didn't do that, what sort of friend does that make me? Do you know what I mean? Like in when the when the when the storm comes, you've got to ride the storm. You can't be a fair weather friend. When things were good, they involved me with everything, you know, I can't turn my back on them now that shit's got bad. So regardless of what she thinks, I'm always going to stick up for them. Yeah, like you say, when the good's good and everybody's loving life and smoking cigars, yeah, all the the girls and parties, that's all well and good. But when the shitheads, they're fine. Who's the ones they are standing? Who's on the front line? And do you know what? I'm absolutely disgusted with a few people. And I'm not going to say any names. They know who they are. You know, they were up. Andrew's asked the whole time when he's risen to fame and now the storms come. I haven't fucking heard a word from any of them. And they're the people who I will be talking to Andrew and Tristan but they're the people I'll be talking about. Because as soon as they're out, you can bet your bottom dollar. Oh, nice to see you out, mate. You know, I was just, I was saying this and this. He's done fuck all. You know, it's that. And there's also been people on the flip side of that who are getting their voice out, who are saying what needs to be said, who are really revealing their true characters as to who they really are rather than what the mainstream media is saying. And those are the people who will be respected to the end of time. Of course, but people they've been using them for fame, public gain. And I mean, that's the fun. People run for the house. People are weak. I can't stand people. People are weak. I can't stand people like that. But you're going to get that all the rest of your life. And like you say, when they come out, people will be kissing their asses again. Yeah. I've always told Andrew. He was on my podcast. I was getting asked to go on shows in America. Yeah. He was saying, look, just be careful that it's all set up. And then I was shows in Chicago, Dr. Fowl, loads of mad shows. And I just knocked every one of them back. Because I felt as if they were trying to set me up. Yes. Because I had that the fucking fat American kid talking shit about me and Andrew. He was talking about a podcast. Well, I think they aired Andrew on Dr. Fowl yesterday. I think they've done a story on him. I heard that from Andrew's mum's partner. Was it positive? No. Apparently they shed him in a negative light yesterday. The fat guy was... Who's that for the fat kid that does a podcast? American scruffy bastard. Well, they were just slaughtering me and Andrew. Really? I know who you mean now. I know who you mean now. I've seen him before now. I can vision him in my head. Massive platform. Massive platform. Just talking absolute shit. It's a clap. Yeah. But people are going to use him. I'll cut up claps because I know he's hitting the headlines because it's still views. It's still business. But I'll never portray him in a negative light. I'll always still have his back because you're innocent of proving guilty. Listen, if you ever get found guilty of thinking, you know what? Well, I fucked up then. You always came across nice things. Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. There are times where I thought that Andrew's been a dickhead and Tristan's been a dickhead. I'm allowed to say these things because I've been there friend for so long. There's been times where they've pushed me away because I've been a dickhead. You know? But I'm not going to sit here. I'm not going to sit here and just defend them because they're my friends. I'm sitting here telling people what I know and what I know about their character because I feel it's the right thing to do. You know, I'm not used to the cameras and the lights. I haven't done a lot of interviews. This is my first interview. I've ever actually done with you, James. It's the best one to be on them. Well, you know, it's just like what I've done for Andrew's career. Do you know what I mean? It's not a bad one. It's not a bad one. It's just like what I've done for Andrew's career when he came on. Yeah, it's definitely not a bad one. You know, throwing the deep end. But, you know, I'm just here to shed some light and some positive light on them and ultimately tell the truth. And the truth is exactly what I've told you. These allegations are absolutely absurd. They're bullshit. What about the Greta from Belfing? Where the pizza seemed to get... He's not... Surely he must have known the Coppers were after him anyway. But was it? Did Andrew get the deal because they're saying, okay, he's in Romania. He's got a pizza. Has that just far-fetched? This whole Greta thing has been run. It's been taken and run with. I think it's completely been blown out of proportion. The pizza box didn't determine Andrew being nicked. They knew he was in the country. You know, they're probably just waiting for him to land. It's nothing to do with the pizza box. I think he'd just come at a time where he was having this thing with Greta Thunberg. But ultimately, no, I don't think Greta Thunberg has anything to do with this. I think she'd get the two biggest tweets in history. Really? Speaking about Andrew. Really? Yeah. And that makes sense because Andrew was such a massive character, you know? Yeah, the two biggest tweets and two biggest replies in history like 10 million likes or something, one of the tweets go up. But that's because the mainstream are putting him in such a negative light that someone as big as Greta who insults him or offends him, you know, they're loving it. They're absolutely loving it because they don't like Andrew because of what they've read or, you know, they don't like Andrew because of what they've heard. I completely get why they'd be the two biggest tweets in history. Andrew always talks about the Matrix. Yeah. What is the Matrix to Andrew, to yourself, but why did he keep speaking about it? The Matrix is basically the elites, you know, like, so it's the people of power who govern how the world's run and their narrative is basically what Andrew talks about so that they want men to be weak. They want people to be submissive to women and, you know, they want men to basically be as weak as they can so they can control it forever and govern people into whatever they want. Andrew's speaking out against that so Andrew is speaking against the Matrix which is the global elites and I believe that he's got such an influence now that they've started to listen and they've started to go, right, let's get this cunt out of the street. You know, we need to get him off because there's generations listening to him. There's kids listening to him all over the world. This is no longer a case of one or two countries. This is a global issue now because he has such an influence on people. And yeah, the Matrix is basically, it's basically another word for the global elites, I'd say. How you dealing with it all? When they started rising to the fame as well it must have been a buzz at some point but did it come on top for you? We felt, fuck me, this is a bit much. Do you know what? I knew that they'd get famous. They were already semi-famous a couple of years ago. Listen, anybody that goes on by brother wants to be famous no matter what way you look at it. Exactly. They wanted to be famous with reality TV shows and then when you start making money and you start getting a bit of power and getting the fame up, fame's an illusion. It's bullshit. I craved that because I thought it would heal all my pain. I thought it would take away all my struggles and I'm not even nowhere near to where I'm going to get in the next five years, but it doesn't mean fuck all. I became more of a recluse. I just want to make money. I want to get a head down, create the best stories the fucking world's ever seen and make money and have a bit of freedom. I don't think Andrew wanted fame. I think he wanted status. I think he wanted people to look at him and go, oh, wow, that's Andrew Tate. And that in itself is fine, but I don't think you can have that without the mobs of people that come at you. Their rise to fame was very quick. Very quick. So Andrew created The War Room, which is a global network of men with similar visions and men that want to be strong and they don't want to be submissive. They don't want to be feminine. They want to go to the gym. They want the image of being a man. And Andrew has influenced these men, and a lot of them are great men. I know a lot of them in The War Room and a lot of them really are powerful figures. And he made this network of men who have broadcast him out to such an audience that the fame came so quickly, like real quick. I think he took over TikTok. The algorithm went crazy. So do I think he wanted fame? Yes. Do I think he wanted this much fame? I don't know. That's a question you'll have to ask him. But I personally don't think he did want this much fame. I think he wanted more money. It was more for money. Because Andrew himself is quite a recluse. He'll tell you now, he doesn't like to hang around with lots of people. He likes his brother. He likes his cousin. He likes me in small portions when I'm not driving him mad. And the same with Tristan. Tristan used to call it clothes in the gate. So he'd say, I don't need other people in my life and clothes in the gate. And if you're behind the gate now, you're in my life forever. If not, I don't want to know anyone else. So I don't think they wanted to be mobbed, how they are being mobbed. But I do think that they wanted some element of fame, of course. And that's many men's dreams anyway. But like you said, fame's bullshit. Fame for me is bullshit. It doesn't mean anything. But this level of fame brings a whole host of different new problems. Because you can still make money without being out there in people's faces. And do you think it will change them being in prison? No. I think Andrew and Tristan will get out. And I think they'll be the same people. I don't think they'll change simply because that's who they are as men. They won't change to suit someone else. But for example, if people think they're going to come out and shut up, I don't think so at all. I think Andrew's going to come out and resume as he was. Because if it does change, then everything he says has been all bullshit. Well, do you know what I mean? Yeah, we can say that. But at the same time, I know Andrew as a character. And I know that it isn't in him to stop anyway. You know, he'd rather be killed than be told what to do. But that's just Andrew. And I know that. And the same with Tristan. Tristan would rather die with honor than live a coward. Because someone told him not to do something. So no, I don't think it's a case of anything if he stops. I just don't think there's a possibility he'll ever stop. Yeah, it's mad on that. Because that's not giving in. But you're giving the matrix that we'll call it, the power that they've won. He's a chess player at the end of the day. Does he change his moves? Of course he does. You've got to reevaluate and reassess, of course. Because wait a minute, they put me in prison. Do you want to be doing a life sentence in prison? If they can set you up for trafficking or rape, they can set you up for anything. Honestly, from how I've watched it, because of what I know, I now realize how dangerous the mainstream media really is. And what baffles me more is the percentage of people that believe them. That in itself is going to ruin mankind eventually. It's going to ruin society eventually, for real, because no one thinks for themselves anymore. They read these headlines and they just go with it. No one thinks for themselves and says, hold on a minute, let me have a look at this. They don't. They just buy a paper art, a cool, convicted. And that's it. Yeah, trial by Midah. Yeah. But Andrew was on the Big Brother House to get kicked out for play fighting with the BUDs. They were seeing it was happening hard and they got kicked out. That Gaddle came forward and says it was all about play fighting. What's the real story behind that? I know the girl very well. Yeah. Real lovely girl. I've known her for years. I know Andrew's into his dominant sex games with these girls. I know that. I brought up the issue myself when he got out. I've seen the belt that the same belt that was used in this assault. I've seen it. It's made of felt You could whack me with it. It makes a huge sound. It doesn't hurt at all. You know, like it's There's it's honestly like You know, like it it's crazy, but I can see on the video why people watch it go wow You know, I could see why they'd not like him from watching that video But when you know the truth about it, you know, it's just bullshit roleplay You know, and I know the girl. She's still there today. You know, I don't think they're together anymore I don't know the ins and outs of his relationships with her now, but I know that when I was in Romania last time, which was only 2021 Yeah, she she was still around. She's cool. Like real pleasant like real pleasant lady. Yeah so when they talk about masculinity and be strong and But what is a masculine man to them? What do they believe men should be including yourself as well? That's a good question because I think that's why You know Tristan pushes me away sometimes because I don't act in a way that they find is acceptable as a man in terms of our stock training in terms of Old go I've dabbled in social drugs before, you know in in elements like that They they do not condone that in any way shape or form, but I think they expect men to train every day I think they expect men to do their best every day in terms of Financially trying to get money for their families. I believe they believe men should be providers I believe that they Believe men should be strong mentally, you know and not show emotions In such a way that, you know, you're allowed to cry online and things like that like to them that wouldn't be masculine, you know They're very set in their ways in that in terms of being a traditional man You know and in terms of looking after The kids financially they think that men should cover cover them areas A lot of it is just being a traditional man and fitting the roles of traditional men which today's Today's generation of upcoming men aren't really doing that So they're they're opposed by this and they're finding that they're influencing that generation to become traditional men again And I think that's where the problem lies with the mainstream. What is the world runs and how did it start? The watering. Yeah So I think Andrew was at a point where He'd realized That society was going the way it was And there wasn't a lot of like-minded men like himself who There wasn't a lot of like-minded men like himself who he could talk to or Trust and he wanted to find these guys He knew they were out there, but he wanted to find them. So he started the war room and he outlined what the what the war room was And it attracted these sorts of men to come into one community So in terms of business you could do anything in the war room But it's all like-minded men who want to be masculine who want to go to the gym who want to be strong-minded He he sold hustlers university and you know, he had videos that used to sell one was called iron mind So he he'd basically give a video and it was a course on how to control your emotions and you know What to do in certain situations as a man and you know, it was it was all very positive stuff It's what and I know the war room has massive uses. What's the daily routine like? Okay, so Andrew Is very very disciplined, you know me not so much So when I was living there, I had to I had to be disciplined There's no other way of me and Andrew are gonna end up having a straightener and that would end badly for me Yeah, so 7 a.m You'd get up Well To be fair Andrew would get up We would have three different workouts one was burpees one was squats We used to call them squats of hail and burpees of death or whatever And we used to do a half hour gym workout where we do 150 repetitions with a 30 kilo bar of burpees squats Or whatever day that allocated workout was for Now it didn't matter what time you did the workout as long as you did it you had to do it It didn't matter what time it was even if you'd left it all day and it was 12 o'clock at night Do your workout when you're not going there? So you'd have to do it So Andrew seemed to like getting up at 7 in the morning and it was almost like to tease everyone that he was getting his dumb first So every morning 7 a.m I'd hear the the iron getting lifted and getting slammed down downstairs I think oh, you know Andrew's up better get up and just get on with it because otherwise He's just going to drill into me all day that I have to do it. So it was more It was worth just doing it rather than waiting. So I'd get up I'd do my workout and then afterwards Andrew would say right Gloves on who's sparring Some days I'd spar The other days Luke would spar he was at the time teaching Luke boxing So You do your sparring and then after you're sparring you're done for the day So you've done your workout you've done your sparring you're done for the day and now we concentrate on work So you'd have a coffee and we used to call the computers battle stations, you know, so the battle stations are on Luke was Doing his thing for the war room and for hustlers university. Andrew would be Doing his thing on the computer playing chess in the background. You know, that's that's all he ever used to do You couldn't get him off online chess. So You'd have your coffee. I'd be processing sales for hustlers university or whatever courses people would purchase And Tristan would be doing the same. He'd be finding other ideas online as to what's next or or whatever, you know Um, after about three or four hours work We'd go and have a steak, you know, we'd go to a steak restaurant have a nice steak have a laugh rip the shit out of each other as per and then we'd see What we were at for the day in sort of figures. This is when it first started So Andrew would see how many sales it made for the day and things like that After that if we made enough sales and say, right, let's go do something fun. You know, let's let's go have some fun somewhere Let's go and do something worthwhile. What should we do? Should we go drift the cars? Should we go in the snowy mountains and four by fours? We've done loads of different things And if we hadn't made enough money, it'd be right boys. We need to fucking do this He's so disciplined like there was if he didn't make his target There was no fun. It was simple as that. We used to call it getting off the streets So we'd go back to the house and say right once we make this target We're going to go for a steak later on or we'll go to the club. We'll do something But let's get this in first And that was that was basically the daily routine. Yeah, so if you'd hit his target eight o'clock in the morning You're in for a great day If you hadn't hit it by 10 o'clock at night, you're still there You're still trying and and that was it what they like under pressure Because I know they speak about confidence, but every man feels pressured. Every man has bad days How do they handle it? I think they both handle pressure in different ways. I think Tristan handles pressure A bit different to Andrew in the sense of Andrew gets angry You know, Andrew will get angry. Tristan will remain calm and calculated You know, I've seen like Andrew wouldn't get angry up. That's someone who'd get angry at himself mainly, you know Like that's how the fuck am I gonna do this? And I've been like, well And then Andrew would then it would take Andrew to get angry for shit to get done How Andrew wants it Do you know what I mean? So he would he would then spend a moment with himself and go, right? That's how we fucking do it. You know, that's that's how them boys deal with pressure. Yeah, I think Tristan was a lot calmer and More placid than Andrew. Who do you think this these allegations will be for the career now that What do you think happens? I think they're gonna get not guilty. I think they're gonna be let out I think they're gonna get more fame than ever before, you know, which again, I don't think they won't fame anymore after this Or to the level it's at Um, but ultimately I think this is gonna do do good for them I hope it does because they deserve it like with the defamation of character that they've been through and you know The experience of being in these jail cells that they don't deserve to be in I really do hope it brings them more success, which I think it will So what's the what's the outcome if it always are a court day or they're going to try and keep them for another 30 days? I personally think they're just trying to keep them in for as long as they can to silence them for now But they've arrested them on no evidence. There's nothing in the case files of either of them So I think they're just trying to prolong it as long as they can I know that there's an appeal on wednesday And if they get out wednesday great if they get out wednesday fantastic But I do think they're gonna try and long this out as as much as they can so a They can't travel be They can they've got time to look for more evidence that doesn't exist You know and see just just to keep making them look bad If the more they can make them look bad the more people don't like them, you know The more that the mainstream media have won So I do think they might try and prolong it a bit longer Who do you think's behind at all? I personally believe that this This arrest has come from overseas. I think it's come from big tech People who don't like andrew and they want to silence him. They've said to the romanians get him off the street You know let as soon as this guy lands finish him. We don't want him on the street arrest him I think they've made that jerk decision to arrest him and put on this big circus of human trafficking and rape And now that they're inside they're going fuck. We can't keep him. We've actually got no evidence And because it's in such a massive light, you know, it's getting harder to lie But they've already they've already told their lies and their lies are becoming untrue So it's getting to a point now Where I think they'll just be released and They're you know, they'll get not guilty and they'll be able to carry on but in terms of who sent who sent the hit I think it come from big tech. How many people's The allegations against just andrew and tristan was on a couple. No, it's well. It was andrew tristan and the two Uh, the two girls who are working as admins I don't know one of them. I know georgiana. I know georgiana very well She's a little shit, you know, like when I was living in romania. I had quite a good relationship with georgiana in the sense of She's funny. She's cheeky. She's rude. You know, she's she's a hard lady to to crack she One day she came in I'm sitting at the computer and she threw a coffee all over my white shirt Just for no reason just threw a coffee at me So I started I said now you're dead. She said, well, you what are you gonna do about it? Bitch, you know, that's the sort of girl she is. I said, oh my god And andrew said rory, do what you want. Do what you want. She threw coffee at you bro. Do what you want And so I picked her up and I threw her in the pool with her clothes on Yeah, so obviously then she's ah, you dickhead you dickhead, but it was always in good, you know spirits Nothing was ever bad. So I had a good relationship with georgiana She come across as a really nice girl anything I ever needed Doing like in terms of flights or you know, I needed my clothes Picked up from somewhere. She'd always be able to organize anything that I wanted and she was always happy to help People say that georgiana's andrew's wife If you look online and search georgiana It comes up that she was andrew's wife and in a relationship with andrew She was she was never in a relationship with andrew or tristan You know, how hard is it to read the papers and seeing all the negative press? Do you even read the papers? I don't read papers simply because I know most of it's bullshit You know other than facts and statistics any story written by a journalist is the biggest load of bollocks but um I do find it very hard. Yeah, I do and simply because Again, I I know them so personally to the point where they lived in my family home I I know that these allegations and these headlines are bollocks So it is hard to read them sometimes because I read them and I cringe because I think No, it's not them people believe that they do of course and this is this is the danger people need to start You know looking at things from both sides. They look at it from one side and just automatically go for the kill Like, you know, they just believe it. It's it's crazy It makes me realize that the population a lot of the population are so stupid And there's no talking to them. If you talk honestly, I've spoke to a few people about it I said do you believe they had lunch with me? Yeah, why would the bbc lie? I'm thinking Are you nuts? Do I'm holding the bbc lie and as soon as they say things like that I walk away What's Andrew's when was his decision to go with Islam? Is that a decision? Ah because he's that was his dad not Muslim? Not that I don't think that Emory was Muslim. No, I wasn't up. So what was his decision to go to Islam? In all honesty, I don't know But I did guess I made my own guess That's a question you don't have to ask Andrew, but my guess was that he has given up on western society You know in terms of what their narrative is to push on to future generations And Islam is a very strong religion in terms of it's Islam He agrees with a lot of it Islamic like Rules and you know the how they live their lives. I think he agrees with a lot of that and and that's how Men should live their lives I never had Andrew down as a religious person before he used to tell me all the time that God wasn't real So for him to have converted Islam There must be a real authentic reason for it I don't think Andrew would choose any religion unless there was a real reason for it I gradually choose from like it's huge and I had Tommy Robinson on listen I don't agree with a lot Tommy says but there's a lot I do agree with same as Andrew I agree with a lot. I don't as well. I've known Tommy for years since I was a kid Yeah, but religion as well that no matter if it's about both the Quran whatever it is That people would die for the religion and their beliefs that there's bad in every religion Yeah, it doesn't matter what it is. There's there's satanic shit in every Barbaric paragraphs and all the yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's also beautiful things the things where I've spoke about it I've got many Muslim brothers and sisters like amazing people that And a lot of them troublemakers have been in prison and they've done bad shit whether they follow it 100% I don't know but it states as well that nobody's perfect and If you're happy with a religion and so be it be you It's when people try and force it upon everybody else. It's when people try and let us say I don't drink I don't eat bacon. I don't smoke. I don't take drugs anymore. Don't gamble Don't do any of the bad stuff and there's so many things in the Quran. I actually agree with yeah There's some things I don't agree with. Yeah, but same as the Christian. You're indifferent. Yeah But I'm just happy to sit in the fence and give my opinion. No, that's not right listen If you're happy good for you but when Andrew spoke about the matrix and I always thought the religion was part of the matrix I always thought it was a kingdom. I covered up to debate made. I believe religion's been man made by the matrix to To keep people in conflict. You know, that's why I thought Andrew is that a power player? There must be that's why I want to ask him the question as well But yeah, if he's happier and I've seen him walk out the van with the Quran and yeah I do believe he's taken it quite seriously and that's that's great And that's a personal decision of his course, you know, and I will never discriminate against anyone's religion Yeah, but you know, I didn't ask him the question I remember texting when when I found out he'd converted And I said so our favorite film is snatch we sit around the TV me Andrew and Tristan we watch snatch and they call me Mickey All right, Tristan even bought me the hat Mickey's hat Because yeah, like because I've got a big left hand that when I punch people, you know, sometimes I didn't get back up and so we used to watch this film they used to call me Mickey and When Andrew converted to Islam I texted him and the actual text was who are you Muhammad? I'm hard Bruce Lee So he's like what so so you like Muhammad Ali now like you've turned into this, you know Muslim Like, you know how we turn from Cassius clay to Muhammad Ali He said it's a lot deeper than that. I'll explain when I see you And that's the only thing he's ever said about it. We haven't spoke about it other than that. So it there is definitely Definitely a reason but what he hasn't told me yet. So interesting. Yeah. Yeah And when you're in places like that if you're in a dungeon with no daylight cockroaches rats No food, hardly any water You're going to have to believe in something Whether that's a higher power god, whatever it is That's what can save you and that's why I've no problems with people who are christian muslim I don't see it. I consider myself an atheist but at the same time, I do believe there's a creator Of course somebody's creative and what I don't know what I don't know Which is why I don't want to choose how the brain functions how the strain is central nervous So the central nervous system your lover your heart like that's not game from A big bang that's not game from like something is created does whether we're avatars aliens I don't know. I genuinely don't ask myself the question before I go to sleep. I think I'm going to get an early night And then before you're not buying why are we here? Yeah before you're not in fucking two three hours deep Two in the morning watching shite on youtube trying to find answers why I'm here But that's how mad my life is sometimes because I want to question everything. What is everybody's purpose? Yeah, but is that a game? Let's me look at Fucking metaverse and Are we just on a deeper Trans rabbit hole is it? Do you know I mean you go up it gets and they're just so caught up and working 95 Trying to create money to pay the bills. Yeah, basically living to die without any fun without because as a kid You laugh look 500 times a day time you get to 18. That's below 10. Yeah below 10 A smile and a laughter gets took away and fucking so something the system that we ran does not work The system ends coming from school and even coming from birth When women give birth the line in their back. You don't do the toilet line in your back They should be squatting whether it's in water as well. You've got your umbilical cord with all your nutrients You're getting stem cells from their cell and for 40,000 60 thousand dollars. We cut them umbilical cord Yeah, it's unbelievable that the shit that we do wrong when girls give birth Yeah, they're doing artificial lights. The kids are drugged up. They're on gas They're on so many different things that's polluting the body and the kids body as soon as it's born That we're giving a kid a name straight away. We're giving it fucking Buff certificates like as soon as we're on this planet people think i'm not microchip damn free Born into the system. I was doing the rallies when it was the lockdown and everybody's Their whistles out and banging like freedom and um going against the government, but First of all, they're drinking. They're smoking weed. They've got their mobile phones out. Yeah, they're already in it They're so far from free. It's fucking unbelievable. Yeah, they're already so I stopped going. Yeah, because I thought you's a full ass shit What is these protests actually doing? Yeah, it's just bringing people together to feel part of something But in reality, they're doing fuck. Oh, but it makes you think those are the top of laughing at those people Yeah And now and now you've got someone like Andrew who's coming along and he's highlighting things like this and they're going Fuck fuck this guy's got so much of an influence That he's he's now You know, he's going to influence these people to come against us and that's that's why he's in jail That's why he's in jail is crazy, but you're absolutely right. We're born into this slavery There's no way out slavery's at its worst. Yeah, and people think they're more free. Yeah Their mobile phone is totally took control of your mind We're we're already getting brainwashed to whatever the ai's want to feed us This is literally You're you'll follow. Do you can't do that anyway? You can't do anything I always mentioned this man. Oh god that he created ai for google He says ai's one billion times more smarter than any human whether it can destroy us. I don't know But whatever information we're getting fed with our phone is only going to keep us Whatever our phone's feeding us to see the next five ten years are the rest of our life And it's becoming more and more intelligent. Yeah, I'm getting more and more intelligent and it's going to get more It's going to get so dangerous But I remember Andrew was on peers and peers were saying but Kids shouldn't be looking up to you and he says why he says I've no criminal convictions. I'm a multi-millionaire. I'm fat I'm healthy and I'm confident. Yeah, I thought fucking good on you great answer Not only that did you not realize so peers on his I think peers like some though Well, this is it on the first thing if you peers did with Andrew. I thought this could be a hit job Peers didn't like him because peers had read everything about him from the mainstream from what people were saying And I thought there was a sense there of hostility on the first interview By the last interview They're playing chess now on their friends because I think peers took a step back and went, you know, what? This guy's actually well-mannered. He's polite He's he's made a lot of valid statements And you know, he began to like him and that's he isn't going to play chess with someone. He's out to you know To annihilate he genuinely I think he genuinely seen a friendship with Andrew in it by the end And here's Morgan's a businessman. He knows he's bringing views peers Morgan needed Andrew before Andrew needed him Andrew knew that Andrew knew that and and that's great. But I I think it's hilarious how peers went from being You know, mr. Mr. Nasty on the first interview and mr. You know, that's his job. That's what's good. That of course Brings controversy that brings views because I used to watch them attack me again Marco and I used to thought fucking hell That's bullying But then the more I actually watch her I realize that he's actually fucking right. Well, yeah Prince Harry looks at now. I look at Prince Harry and I look at wall smith This goes this is what Andrew's talking about when people lose their masculinity their Wives are running the show and look how weak they've become Prince Harry's left the establishment nor that I'm a hundred percent for the establishment anyway But she's took full control of his life his decision-making. I think she's manipulated them. I think she's played I think she actually thinks she's Princess Diana I think she actually manipulated them to believe because when he left the establishment And he was going about he's mum understood that because actually quite like princess Diana the video was I've seen she seemed like a nice woman So I thought good on you man. I was for him Protecting his wife and protecting his kids But then he's doing an interview with Oprah Winfrey. He's selling the documentary rights to Netflix. He's wrote a book She's got a podcast. I'm thinking fucking hell that he was too far gone as well. Yeah, they are That's when I Listen, you don't want to be strict and you don't want to be controlling but there's got to be some sort of Level in you where you don't take any shit. You've got to have your stance. I believe Women I believe as a man, I should about providing for my kids. I should be providing for my missies and doing the right things I feel as if The misses should be with the kids housewife cooking cleaning nagging the house as full of love full of laughter And then we do things together. I'm not drinking. I'm not out clubbing. I'm not saying you shouldn't do that But I'll do that. Yeah, I know what I bring at the table. I'm doing all the right things in life But why should my missies be giving birth to then Be going back to work after six months while somebody else is raising my kids I don't believe that because especially the amount of people in fucking nurseries and schools now They're weird this fuck not not them all but there's so much weirdness on this planet I've interviewed people who expose it. I was naive to a lot of it And then I realized how fucked up this world is that I genuinely believe the man should provide protect And the women should be bringing the love and respect and but it works both ways Yeah, like if I don't drink so I would never go with somebody who does drink I wouldn't tell a lesson you don't drink You want to drink the fuck off you ain't gonna be in my life because I know what I bring at the table So it's different like would you see being around them? What has changed with you being around Andrew and Tristan over the years Andrew's been a massive influence on me. Tristan was more of a drinking partner who was you know They're both they were both my best friends. I spent more time with them than I did with anyone else Tristan was more of a joker in terms of hilarious hilarious guy confident guy You know very very engaging and very fun to be with Andrew was more of the voice of you know authority the voice of Uh discipline, you know, right boys enough enough. You're not drinking this weekend. You're being dickheads. We're gonna train Andrew had a massive influence on my life in in the sense of he made me realize it's important to set parameters to set You know goals and to to discipline yourself to not let yourself go and to not Basically Become the worst version of yourself, you know like and there's so many men that do it now because they just drop the ball And they give up on life Now I've seen guys real good guys who've gone from hero to zero And if they had had Andrew in their life, they would never have gone from hero to zero They would have had the strength to stay where they are because that's what he does He instills strength in men to realize that they have to keep fighting So no, he had a massive influence in my life in that sense that he he drilled into me that I can never give up and never quit What's your whole run down at all? What if I'm doing Tristan and present? My whole rundown Is that it's very corrupt what's going on? They should not be in jail They have never trafficked any women they have never They've Andrew's never raped anyone You know and I know this because of previous allegations being proved to be so untrue and I know this because I've spent so much time with them I think that he's been silenced because of his influence on younger generations And you know, I I hope and pray that they get out And my rundown is that they will And when they get out, they'll be they'll be more successful than ever and They won't change they won't change and they Yeah, I genuinely believe this is all gonna blow over and whatever happens in the future I'm unsure of but I do think that this whole thing's gonna blow over with them being in jail Yeah, fingers crossed and hopefully that I met Tristan, but I know I'm doing I've always said them I've got your back. Yeah, I've never He spoke well of you before I remember him saying he was going on James English podcast Yeah, that was nearly two years ago and obviously we've been in touch and obviously his fame's getting bigger and bigger And I'm thinking I need to get another podcast with him. This is a business for me. Yeah, he's going to bring views as well Very influential guy very influential guy And I can understand why people might want to shut him up But you know, you can't shut a guy up for the wrong reasons. That's criminal just because you don't like him You can't wish prison on a man because you don't like him. It's that's criminal Like I say anything to prove and go to I've got his back I'll stick up from I think what he's done over the last few years I don't care if they hold him for 10 years James old campaign until they're out because I know them You know, and it's it's easy for people to say well, they could have done that behind your back It would have been an operation in itself to do that behind my back But I know them and I know that these allegations are all bullshit I know the mainstream are absolutely pummeling them of headlines that are untrue like self-proclaimed misogynist And it's it's things like that that are worrying for me because people just believe it But I do I do eventually think this will blow over and they'll come out and they'll prosper I get psychos messaging me I get fucking nutcases messaging me. So if you're the most google man on the planet, what sort of messages are you getting? What sort of plans are people coming up with? I've seen them to try. I've seen them. I used to work So when I was working for Andrew processing sales and stuff, I'd have access to his twitter I'd have access to all his social media platforms because I'm trusted like that by him And I'd be on his twitter and I'd be scrolling through the message request and geez some of them were unreal, man Like the like the offers and like you got like all these satanic people in his inbox like ask of Silly things like rituals. Can you send me a shoe? Like honestly like and then the death threats come naturally anyway I've had I've had my own death threats sticking up for him, you know And it's usually people with profile pictures of cats And you know or no followers and no no tweets and it's like who are these people, you know A lot of people refer to them as mpcs Yeah, it's weird, but you're gonna get that that's when I know I'm becoming successful. Well, this is it. This is it Someone said that's a good sign keep going. You know keep going. So I don't remember when Andrew had 200,000 followers on instagram I remember you had 30. I remember you had 30 and me thinking wow, you know So they end up with five six million growing growing because now I speak to dan bulls arian as well I'm trying to sort out a podcast when andrew goes out between those two Oh, yeah, that'll be interesting because then to both characters on they so to talk playboys, isn't it? Well, yeah, let's be honest. Yeah. Yeah, they are the two men in the room that you wouldn't you know, they're still your girl Yeah, 100% the people look up to Yeah, fucking dan bulls arian and finally so lessons We can hate on people. Yeah For me personally, it's it's one girlfriend. It's not four wives. It's not having bits on the side I can't handle it anymore. I've done that listen. Believe it or not. It was a handsome bastard back in the day I was a bit of a bad boy. Are you still got it? Don't know James It's it's not for me anymore And and some people where some muslim believes to have four wife are having so many girlfriends people change I've lived that for me is to respect my women I would know I couldn't have respect for a woman who would let me fuck around I would think weak I genuinely would so for me, it's to have that responsibility and have that Kind of structure where it's love where it's listening. It's not always easy. Yeah, mama sees a pain in the ass like but I love her and um I feel as if I'm more stable with somebody solid there by my side And if that's what makes you feel content and that's how you want to live your life great And Andrew has always promoted that like he's never said everyone's has to play it be a playboy And I think a lot of people think that that's his narrative as well And it's not he's he's very happy for anyone who has a loving wife You know, he said that a man and a woman being in love is the most beautiful thing in the world You know So people are trying to push that narrative that he believes that being a playboy is a way to live life And no, Andrew's always said if it makes you content and it makes you happy Think good you're living a good life. Yeah, because I said I'm on a podcast as well Somebody who's working on 95 married three holidays a year or two blow jobs a month. Yeah, he says listen. I'm happy for them He's not promoting that's Andrew's life as well. Yeah, that's about a showmanship as well On when the cameras are off You see a more polite gentle human being like that's why I always have his back That's why I always stick up for him. I've stuck up from online. I've stuck up from on podcast Yeah, like I said, I'm not there 24 seven He could have pulled the wheel over my eyes. Yeah, I'm a very good fucking judge a character If he ever got a guilty for my shit, I would have to apologize, of course But right now I'm sticking my neck on the line my career. I don't know if my clear baby dammage that I've stuck up from but I can only go my gut my gut as he's a good guy My gut as he's trying to do the right things my gut as I don't think he realized he was going to get as big as he was Of course the past is going to come back and beat in the ass But as soon as he comes over this dark cloud I think he's only just going to get better and better And I think it genuinely will change his moves and become More I wouldn't say more influential because already there's been a more positive manner because I've already seen the demeanor change I seen his energy change not a negative but Wait a minute. I'm getting Influential here in the arm changeling because people are looking up to him or so I say though looking for answers I've had people write to me and say that he's saved their lives and things like that But I've also I also want to touch upon what you said about being off camera and being this kind general character I think he said a lot of things in the past that haven't done him any favors There's been some silly comments He's made which he has retracted a few of them, but I don't think they've done him any favors But you are right off camera. He will help anyone around him He's he's got a huge heart same with Tristan If I was in trouble tomorrow and I needed help That'd be the first ones to say look you're a dickhead for getting yourself in this situation But here's the help, you know Tristan can be quite cruel to be kind But again, ultimately if if I needed them tomorrow if if something bad happens to me tomorrow I could almost bank that if I needed an operation that cost 500 grand It would be fronted for me straight away. It wouldn't even be a question because I knew them when they had nothing and they would give you the shirt off their back In fact, I seen Tristan give a homeless guy. We were out in Luton a few years ago We were pissed me and Tristan in the chicken and chip shop So we're just having a laugh at walking on the road and there's an old homeless guy called Greg He's quite well known. He used to be a uk powerlifting champion and he lost his way, you know, he's a homeless man He's a black guy And you know, he hobbles around town asking if you've got a couple of quid and Tristan see him And he looked he was in like a he was in a t-shirt and this real thin jumper and he just looked freezing And she says hey, hey, you know, what the fuck are you doing out with no jacket on man? He says oh, you know, it wasn't worth anything. It was all Tristan says look here He took his own jacket and his own jumper off and wrapped it around Greg. I said look Keep warm. So Tristan was in the t-shirt then He's what about you? You're gonna be cold now, man He says no, no, we're jumping in the cab and that's the sort of person Tristan is You know because he knew this guy for years He's he's older now and he really lost his way in life That's the sort of guy they that's the sort of guys both of them are they would get literally give you the shirt If they're back What's the negatives about being friends with the table or since it became popular? Oh, well the negative of being friends with the tape brothers is a I was always the ugly guy of the group be I can see that Leave it out Be Obviously, I'm never going to be the richest guy in the group, you know and see people always You know people always want to be around them I've so I'm always going to be the last choice in that friendship group because people are interested in what Andrew has to say And what Tristan has to say granted. Yeah, I've had great conversations with a lot of great people But ultimately they're always going to be the limelight, which is fine. That doesn't really bother me. That doesn't really bother me at all but You know Yeah, it was very hard with women when you're walking up to women of Andrew and Tristan trying to shout them out for them to A standing next to it. It's not a great contrast, is it? What's the positives about being a friend? The positives are I've traveled the world with them Uh, they've never left me out I've I've met very influential people around the world like I've met a lot of celebrities through them and You know, they've they've given me experiences in life Such as super car rallies around Europe that most men would give their arm and leg for I've I've had the You know the luxury of doing all them things with them I've stayed in some of the best hotels in the world the best restaurants. I've eaten out, you know, so And in terms of if I ever need advice or if I ever need Genuine help. I know that I've got them there You know, if if if I had a problem with something That I couldn't work out in my head. I'd message Andrew and say look, this is the issue. I don't know what to do. Can you help? Straight away. I'm I'm lucky enough to not have to pay a subscription for it And I could get an answer straight away from someone who I know is intelligent to give me the correct the correct way to Do things same with Tristan So no, there are lots of benefits to being their friends to anybody watching. Why should the support the two brothers? They should support the tape brothers a because uh This whole this whole arrest is corrupt like the way they've been mistreated is is disgusting Um, b. There is absolutely zero evidence in any of their case files uh, see the romanians See the romanians are completely going against You know, what what's right? I believe that if there's no evidence you shouldn't be you shouldn't be held for this long and Mainly because I know who they are as characters You know, I know who they are and I know what they've done and what they haven't done It's it's very difficult for me to to to watch it all anyway. So Yeah We're listening well done for your first time of your brother. You've done well. Thank you Would you like to finish up on anything? Yeah, I'd just like to say uh, don't believe everything everything that you read in the mainstream and you know Take your own opinion on things Don't just accept an allegation because you don't like someone and to make your own mind up and Understand that making these decisions are very important for future generations themselves, so Yeah, that that's all I want to say and I just want to say that Andrew and Tristan are very good guys They've they've always been gentlemen. They've always been well-mannered and polite and you can ask anyone around them if that's the truth And yeah other than that and just free the guys get them out. We need them out of jail Yeah, I come back back steam and later say they're nothing but gentlemen Nothing but nice friendly always nice to the waiters always nice to staff. Every time I've been with them Every time I've been with Andrew has been nothing but a gentleman like I think they're a massive positive Influence on men across the planet and I think that's why they're in jail So I yeah, I just want to conclude on saying that they don't deserve to be in jail They do not deserve to be where they are and the sooner they're out They're better the sooner out the better and I can't wait to see them Glory listen James. I wish you all the best brother. Thank you pal. I'm done today. Thank you. Take care and hopefully the boys are freed soon Excellent. Thank you James. Cheers pal