 Good morning, everyone and welcome to this joint webinar between Libre and the EOS pilot project on the topic of skills and training and open science and the EOS ecosystem with a particular focus on libraries and researchers. My name is Kevin Ashley. I'm director of the Digital Curation Center. I'm going to be managing the handover today between the speakers, introducing you to the speakers and dealing with the Q&A session at the end. The agenda today, hopefully you've all seen it, includes Jerry De Vries of Dance who's going to talk about the work that's been going on in the EOS pilot project and then a panel introduced by Cecil Siatec of Libre talking about the work of the Libre working group on digital skills for Libre staff and researchers and that includes Thorsten Mayer, Karen Klavel and Hannah Graver-Movig and then we'll move on hopefully in the final 50 minutes or so to question and answer sessions and closing remarks. You can raise questions at any point during the proceedings today using the chat function and I'll try and gather them up and then present them to the speakers towards the end. So just some housekeeping notes. This webinar is being recorded. You'll get a link to the recording later on today that can be shared. The slides are already available on Zanodo and as I mentioned you can put your questions in the chat box at any time. So at this point I'll hand over to our first speaker this morning, Jerry De Vries of Dance. Yes, good morning everybody. Thank you, Kevin. I hope everybody can hear me clearly. My name is Jerry De Vries. I'm working at Dance as Kevin already said. I'm working as information scientist and project lead and I'm going to talk about the framework of fair data stewardship skills for science and scholarship or simply if we call it fair for S. This morning I will give an introduction of the fair for S framework by introducing the core elements of the framework and show an example of how the model has been involved based on feedback from the community that we received in September and last month. Fair for S was drafted during the pilot project of the European Open Science Cloud and aims to help you and your organization to identify the capabilities and skills required to ensure research objects are fair and that these objects stay fair. Fair for S aims to describe skills to provide stewardship of research objects by linking skills to competences requires a stewardship and research objects whereby data stewards are a member of research team or research organizations working in open science or the data science environment and the data steward is capable of operating or providing a service of the EOS. To produce fair research output the support of data stewards are essential within the EOS pilot stewardship is defined as the formalization of roles and responsibilities and their application to ensure that research objects are managed for long-term reuse and in accordance with the fair principles. A competence describes an ability a data steward can acquire and apply as a skill. A capability describes what happens when data stewards apply the skills together in a team or organization using a service or enabling this to others to do so. The framework we have developed is drawn from existing models. We have not reinvented the wheel but we have reused the essential elements of these existing models presented on this slide and brought them together in the Fair for S framework. The Fair for S framework describes skills groups. These are high level categories representing the competences and capabilities including in the framework. There are two broad categories. In the inner circle we have the thematic competence and capabilities described according to a typical research lifecycle. In the outer circle we have the generic competence and capabilities which are applied in project independent and cross the main ways. For example advising others on how to do fair research and managing the enabling infrastructure. Research performance organizations employ a wide range of professional staff to support researchers. Data stewards are becoming established as a professional group and other groups including researchers themselves will need some level of expertise on data stewardship. Fair for S sees the data steward role as combining a data management or creation function with at least one other role like research or data science engineering. The framework can be used to identify and describe the competences and learning materials that match the capabilities data stewards or your organization need. It offers core competences for data stewardship relating topics to expertise level for researchers and the professional groups that support them. The framework offers examples of capability and competence statements focusing these on identified skills gaps. The high level skills groups are broken down into competence and capabilities. Competences and capability statements examples are given for selected topics. Competence statements are described at three levels the comprehensive level the basic level shown in this diagram by the open circle the apply level it's the intermediate level shown by the half circle in this diagram and synthetics and evaluate the expert level shown by the black dots in this diagram. The capability statement for the same topic as two levels research team or organization. This example shows a minimal level representing a basic undergraduate level knowledge of data stewardship. This is based on existing data information literacy matrix the other main source for the competence list is the addition of data science framework. As relevant skills will change rapidly Ferver S offers organizations the dimension and examples they can adapt for their own purposes rather than a comprehensive set of off-the-shelf competence and capability statements for every topic conceivable. Ferver S can help ESC services providers specify the skills and capabilities involved in using the service or it can help ESC service users to identify learning resources for their own professional development or it can help to plan the skills for their organization. From the online survey the draft version of the Ferver S has received feedback almost all respondents agree on that the common ESC framework of skills and competences for data stewards will help researchers and support professionals to implement fair and secure data principles and 64 percent agrees that the Ferver S framework will help promote education for data stewardship expert and their reward for recognition. However most respondents think Ferver S is too difficult to apply in current form for any of the use cases therefore more workshops and discussions are needed and to provide more feedback and improve the Ferver S framework. Feedback was received during the workshop held at a technical university in Delft on the 26th of September this year. This workshop responds to the Open Science Policy Platform recommendations of the European Commission and other stakeholders on embedding open science. The aim of the workshop was to take a step forward aligning open science skills that researchers need at their different career levels with the skills that data stewards and other need to support them. During the workshop a short list of 10 key skills for open science were identified and formed the input for the full breakout groups. Each group identified which open science skills are relevant to researchers at their assigned career stage and how support staff can provide training or assistance for researchers to properly develop and apply those skills. At this point me and Angus want to take to you Delft colleagues from the data steward team and especially Marta de Perre for the selection of the 10 skills we are reframing the model around now and shoot your feedback from your side is highly appreciated. During the workshop 3 to 4 key skills per career stage were identified. In the breakout groups the following topics were discussed per key skill. The relevance of this skill for the career stage, what the evidence of practice this skill is and how researchers should be supported to apply this skill. This had led to the following overview of key skills per career stage. As mentioned before only the key competences were discussed and blanks in the table can be filled in after further discussion. The table also shows the full research career stage which are the first stage researcher, the researcher up to the point of the PhD level, the recognized researcher, a PhD holder but not yet fully independent, an established researcher, researchers who have developed a level of independence and leading researchers which are researchers leading in the research fields. This table highlights the level of expertise for each career stage following the same principles as described in the Fairfax framework and the outcome of the workshop led to reframing the Fairfax and the described and describes a research profile for organizations to self assess. It describes 3 key skills per career stage and gives indicators to measure if a skill is applied or not and what the supporting roles are and skills these supports needed. At the moment Fairfax offers profiles for each research career stage and recommends key skills per stage. An explanation why the skill is needed at this stage is added together with an overview of the supporting roles and their skills. In total this gives a list of 10 key skills relevant for data stewardship, competences and capabilities. This framework will form the basis for successor years projects and to receive more feedback the online survey will be open till next Monday by following the link on the slide. I want you to thank everybody for their attention and I'm giving it back now to Kevin. Thanks very much Jerry, there's a lot in that I remind you all if you have any questions on any of this put them into the chat box and we'll pick them up at the end of the presentations. But now I'd like to hand over to Cecile who's going to describe the work that Libre has been doing in this area. Take it away and do you need to unmute? We can't hear you Cecile. So we apologize for this brief introduction. I wonder if the other members of the working group perhaps could just come in at this point and introduce the work they've been doing and take us to the next few slides. So Thorsten are you there and can you? Yeah hello from my side. I try to give a short introduction but maybe it's more to get on the next slides. I would like to talk a little bit about the German perspective. Here it is that the Alliance of Science Organizations which is an organization of all the huge university groups and science associations like Fraunhofer, Helmholtz and so on. They have launched and they are working together on all the digital information. They launched an initiative already in 2008 and in 2018 this initiative was they had a new focus on digital transformation. So in the first years for example we established a standard for licensing in combination with open access just one of the different many tasks we had. Now it's this focus on digital transformation. It's very important to have this close cooperation between universities and non-university institutions and there are several working groups like digital tools, software and services, digital collections of data and text corpora, digital learnings, teaching and networking and digital qualified staff. The focus is not only on research data management which is maybe the most not important but the most challenging issue at the moment in research and in libraries and information centers as well but we are looking for the in this digital qualified staff working group it's that we look what digital qualified staff is needed. So it's not only the research data management, it's software programming, it's media literacy, it's digital communication, collaboration and so on and we see the science as a catalyst for innovation and so that science and information infrastructures could shape the digital transformation of science itself so to not only to react but to act actively. And our working group at the moment focuses on the identification of needed digital qualifications and expertise. We are trying to work on a collection of competences, how to bring these competences into our system for a research cycle for the different subjects and disciplines and the work just started but this is one of the initiatives in Germany but as it is a very broad cooperation between all academic institutions in Germany it's a very important thing. Thank you. Thank you Thorsten, so I think now we're moving on to Karen Klavel, thank you. Hello this is Karen Klavel from TU Delft Library in the Netherlands. I would like to tell you something about the open science MOOC we developed at TU Delft. It has just finished its first run on the edX platform. Before I continue I would like to add that I'm joined by my colleague Nicole Will was responsible for launching the MOOC and was actively involved as one of the instructors. For anyone not familiar with the term MOOC it stands for massive open online course. In the Netherlands and particularly in Delft who want to be front runners in the transition to open science and for a couple of years we did an open science roadshow where library staff visited research departments to tell and explain about open science. The roadshow generated lots of interest but also lots of questions by the research community. People said we want to know more can you organize a course or training? So we developed a modular online course for the TU Delft Graduate School aimed at post graduates PhD candidates as we call them which launched next year last year and then this course we worked together with open data researcher Anneke Zuiderweg and she contacted us with the idea to turn the course into a MOOC. And so we did it took us about five months we had to re-record all the videos which were specifically attuned to the Delft situation and now had to be relevant to a worldwide audience but we could reuse the scripts. We developed new exercises and assignments and we were fortunate to work with Anneke who had run a MOOC before. You can see the link on the slide that will take you to the content description of the MOOC and it consists of five modules four mandatory and one optional. It runs in four weeks it is not self-paced because we wanted participants to collaborate and to interact. So for example in the first week we asked them to do an interview and all of the interviews together form a data set which is then used to the exercises of the second week etc. You can find a detailed description of the contents of the course and all the modules on the edx.org platform where you can also take a look at the course syllabus. The first run started on the 30th of October so it's all very fresh but we have some results. We are very satisfied in our goal to increase the open science community. More than 1100 people enrolled of which about 19% were actively engaged in the MOOC. Participants are mostly from the Netherlands, from the USA, UK, Spain, Germany, Sweden and also India and while aimed at researchers a lot of librarians participated also. We are still in the process of collecting all the participants input both from the discussions and from the assignments. People shared motivations for getting involved interested observations from the interview they had to do in week one. They shared social media strategies in week three. We learned a lot for example that there is a lot of confusion about hybrid journals and gold open access publishing. So what's next? There definitely will be a rerun of this MOOC but we don't have a date yet. We'll let you know when we have a date for a new run. Questions I think at a later moment so now over to Hanne Grave Möveg. Hello my name is Hanne Grave Möveg and I'm the library director at the University of Oslo as I have been since September 2017. First of all I will quickly guide you through how open science looks like for the moment in Norway on a national level and on a local level at the UIO University of Oslo and also how we plan to face these challenges both on developing policy and also how to develop cross-disciplinary services. This is challenging to our organization in new ways and of course we need the need for knowledge and competencies are high on the agenda but first of all in 2017 the government released the national guidelines for open access in Norway. Finally we have a political will we needed to anchor our local policies and also to be able to make long-term plans. I have attached the link above. As you all know plan S was released in September 2017 and the government and the Norwegian Research Council has committed Norwegian universities to the principles in the following plan for implementation. There has been published quite a lot of articles in the national press about the plan and its contents. We now have two hearings coming up Norwegian Research Council welcome all units in higher education to contribute to developing a new policy on open science and there are three issues to be discussed one open research processes the library is involved in this one and number two open innovation and involvement number three user involvement and citizen science and also coming up is a hearing on plan i how to implement plan s higher education in Norway on all levels are heavily engaged in these issues as we speak. I move forward to institutional network I will comment on the last bullet point at the University of Oslo which is a large university 28 000 students and 7 000 employees these are the following main units working with research support today both units in the administration and the faculties are involved so I have put down a list of tasks managed by the library today working closely with other units and also in collaboration with the faculties and other communities who have a special interest in the field I think these are well known I move on to comment on the two last bullet points I think the best way to explain the concept of research services center is to describe what's happening with our organization concerning IT services and digitalization research support is changing we use the term digital scholarship centers or research service centers to describe the goal the main goal is not to develop a large unit consisting of defined support needs but to create some kind of an an hub maybe in the library that connects the other communities at the university together we believe that the researchers do need to have the support nearby or in the faculty even the library in some cases will be defined to be too far away but the hub can be located in the library and to be a bit more specific the University of Oslo is a member of a global community called the software carpentry and this is all about sharing skills it's a global community teaching software and data skills to researchers to help scientists and engineers get more research done in less time and with less pain by teaching them basic skills for scientific computing and even there is also a library carpentry the point is to offer organized support adapted to an organization in transformation and collecting the existing services from the library and combine these already existing communities that are out there established by the faculties and the scientists themselves and the hub will then be representing a coordinated support focusing on digital skills for researchers from the idea to publishing i'm i'm happy to forward a link to the workshops for the research bizarre at the 2019 in January to give you an idea of the contents and the skills in focus in the workshops so now i'm handing over to Kevin again thank you and just before we move to the questions we're going to make one another attempt to go back to Cecile who was having microphone troubles uh at the beginning of this session about Lieber Cecile are you with us yes i think i you can hear me now excellent we can yes so if you want to say what you want to do i think to just to summarize why Lieber engage with this and i'm i'm i'm what the working group is up to absolutely i have the pleasure to co-chair with susan bascat cragg from danmark the working group on digital skills for library staff and researchers this is a very recent group created last year and we are we have a the idea that the changing world we have right now asks for library to regularly reassess our existing services toward researchers but also about our own skills and competencies with the advance of open science in particular this meant for us a reinvention of models of way of working techniques and skills so for us this raised many questions some of them were tackled today by Thorstein mayor Karen Cleaver and Hannum Graver moving all three members of the working group and we are heading now towards a selective map for institutions involved in open science trainings and skills programs in europe and within that for tomorrow we have to handle two things at the same time training trainers in libraries and training researchers either young or senior researchers always in partnership like today for example with eosk many thanks bye bye thanks very much to see us i think it gives us a good idea of your your motivation for lever trying to to coordinate work in in this area remind everyone you can put questions in in the chat so far we've seen a lot of links to to background content coming from lever so before some questions turn up there i have one really i think directed at initially i think those from from lever so i know you're working the working group as a source to make clear is is looking at skills in a much broader area than than data stewardship but but nonetheless clearly we i think an eos pilot are interested in whether you feel frameworks such as those being developed by the pilot help you as libraries in your missions to to bring skills to people and to do that train the trainer work that's a seal just referred to you so the question really is do you find those frameworks helpful or do you feel that you already have enough knowledge within the libraries to do these things yourself this is Karen from to your delft i think it's definitely very interesting to look at different frameworks as you said the focus of the lever working group is kind of broad we cannot think of everything ourselves so if there's work already being done then it's really useful to look at that and to see how we can incorporate that so for my point of view yes definitely very interesting and i'm sure we'll take a look at the framework in more detail and see how we can how we can use that in our group okay torsten here from zpw i would like to support that it's very good to have frameworks it all works only together not you know everybody has something at the library or researchers it's more a cooperation between all parts of the scientific area and i think that that leads me to a question there i think the the observation you made there torsten about collaboration i know uh in in and i'll work with uh research organizations of many types trying to to to build up skills libraries are key players in in doing this but i think uh it's not always the case and they can work alone different organizations are are structured in in different ways uh i wonder if any of you can give examples of do you find the need to collaborate with other professional groups to build up these skills and if so who they might be and i'm seeing some questions beginning to appear in the chat now and we'll we'll turn to those in a moment but are the just asking the lever group do you are the exact for example do you find you have to work with colleagues from from it or those involved in the training of elite career researchers within the research domains to achieve your ends here torsten here i would say yes the it is more and more important and to bring this together it doesn't just work the librarians do or the libraries do data curation yes but it's more than just doing the data curation it's a technical part as well so the the combination of everything and to to side this with the education even of future librarians but of future researchers and so on so there is the direct connection but to bring this into other programs as well so that at the moment for for from my view it's very important to to bring the competences to train the trainer to the education to the university to the studies for librarians but for other parts as well that we don't have to do this the new task in our own but that we have a framework a broader framework to to get things done and to get the best training for the trainers and for the research for the research in the open science context okay thanks very much torsten so i'll turn now to some of the questions that come up in the chat so first not so much a question but an observation there from joy davidson is involved in the foster plus project and has drawn our attention to the work they've been doing on building skills in in open science i can say joy i know certainly the work that's being given in the pilot has been informed by that there's a fair overlap in fact between people involved in in in the two projects and that's one of the inputs that we've been looking to build on i think as as jerry said in the is is opening slides we we want it as much as possible to reuse work done by others but now i'll turn to a question from luke henry which i think is really directed towards hannah i don't know if you've seen this in the chat uh is interested in this hub model that you envisage at oslo um having difficulties convincing management is only institution about the the wisdom of doing this and he'd like some more details is there a white paper you can share anything about how it's funded or the skills profiles of your team its governance structure etc so hannah can you can you help luke here convince people at epfl to follow your model um i haven't seen the question but uh i will try to answer from what to how you described it i can explain a bit more to give you some idea of the framework the university is working on an overall strategy now for for it for the university and this is very complex work normally this would be a type of work that the it department would would be in the church of but what's interesting here is that this whole process is managed by deans and rector and also the director of the it services so i think this is a signal of how we need to to collaborate because this is challenging our organization but somehow it's also um it's also a good way to to collaborate in different ways the administration and also the faculties we have uh we have not finished this work yet so but i can try to look into it there is some some information and documents that i can share i think that this is just it's it's the idea of the hub or the library being the hub and the the other communities are out at the faculties it's more a concept an idea so it's not it's not organized or coordinated properly yet okay but it sounds if you you offered to share some documents there that's certainly what luke uh was looking for although it sounds if since luke described his real challenge so far has been convincing management of the wisdom of your approach you sound as if you've already got over that barrier you say you it's the deans and other senior decision makers who are driving this forward therefore you you've clearly that that that's quite a big barrier i think often to get that management by and you've already achieved that um so i'm sure others will want to to learn from that example and perhaps point to to to that example um i'll just pick up some other points again not so much questions that have come up uh in the chat we've already mentioned the work being done by foster in this area ellen lennox has drawn attention to similar work uh in in in open air again i know there's a significant overlap between uh the uh the members of the the the different groups uh in in eos pilot and in open air working on skills so i hope uh there that the open air will be be picking up on that work it's certainly we can't afford to get too much duplication in this area and cilia's drawn some attention to something um being done at per dieu and and angus white who's here with me um who did a great deal of the work uh on on that framework for eos pilot says in fact that work at per dieu was one of the sources we drew on uh in developing our own framework so again any further questions for any of the presenters if not uh at the moment i have uh another so clearly one of the reasons organizations like liba exist uh is to to share experience and where possible to act collectively i guess to achieve things that your members individually may find difficult to do uh yourselves so i wonder from we we've heard a couple of the presentations from the working group about things that have happened within their own institutions are in groups of institutions how much potential do you think there is for liba members to to really reuse approaches uh and work uh from different institutions uh in their own or is this something where the problem needs to be solved again uh in every single library that that that needs to to tackle it well so so speaking um we have the two levels at the same time it's interesting for the libraries to see what happens in other countries other institutions inside the working group in liba for digital skills we have people coming from uh various horizons and every time we meet or we exchange good practices but also tips and in general information on what's happening in our countries and institutions and from this uh teams some come some ideas for what we can do in our own country for example i'm living in france and we have a very young open science committee who is working also on skills and we are going to be rich with what we hear from other experience and other countries we can build our own policies and in each institution then we can decline it because the local point of view also has to be taken into account so that's an alchemy really between the european horizon national policy and institution specifics i think that's a very good way of phrasing that that uh that difficult challenge to see as you say that alchemy the blending uh between the international the national and the uh and the local thank you you so another reflection i have which is uh really related to our concerns in in in eos pilot so the os pilot project is going to be drawing to a close in the next few months and its job was partly to to begin to examine the many issues that the establishment of eos the european open science club was going to face and there are now a number of other projects taking that work forward there are formal governance boards and a stakeholder forum is being set up this was all formally launched uh in vienna uh as an event uh a couple of weeks ago some of you may well have been there i know one of the questions that was asked there was how individual research organizations could really engage with the osco i think there's been a lot of discussion about uh how the large research infrastructures and the infrastructures are going to work together to deliver this but as many of us know um a great deal of the data that's going to form part of the os the individuals are members of individual institutions and and whether it's in developing skills or in managing content the institutions have a significant role um to to play here so i want to have observations from from any of the panelists from from jerry all or from those uh in the but about how what would you see as institutional roles within eos can i see a comment here in the chat as well from from garret but i'll i'll take observations from the panelists first and then return to garret mcman's point so hearing no immediate response uh from the panelists about how you might uh engage uh with um eos garret has made a garret mcman in the chat has made a specific point about library engagement saying that there can be a lack of engagement at a senior level to support a realignment of library services towards open science support um and a lot i think that can be true we've heard a number of examples today of institutions but that's clearly not the case uh from from from oslo where there's clearly senior management buy-in to the realignment that's happening there and from delft uh where i know the the uh the reason why there are 10 data stewards and a growing number there was because senior decision makers saw the the value of this so i guess the question is how can we take this approach from these institutions where that senior buy-in has taken place and how can we learn from that and get that buy-in to happen at other organizations where senior management may not be so aware well sisal speaking and we had a workshop with foster and the same kind of question popped up last uh summer and uh the participants to this workshop with the working group in libert concluded uh one point is that um we need ambassadors within senior management it means someone who is convinced first and who is largely recognized in the science field but what we know is that for convincing senior management you have two things to take into account is the person who is your ambassador is he known in his community for being an open access or uh open science fighter himself because he published so much he knows he needs to go toward this and in this case you need to know if the others senior management are uh against this point of view or this kind of positions or not and the second conclusion we had is that if you have an ambassador uh inside senior management you need him to or her to draw uh with him all uh his new uh young researchers because they are going to be the next ambassadors and they are going to convince other senior management by rebound so the things that you can't go uh with everybody but you need to pick and choose someone who is going to uh push these ideas forward and bring along young researchers too indeed and and i know that the the the other key thing i think um for affecting that sort of change is to be able to move from that individual ambassador uh who who is key certainly to starting things to buy in from the management team so that we're not dependent uh on the on the enthusiasm of that one ambassador we've certainly seen some initiatives fail in some organizations where it's been driven by the enthusiasm of one person when that one person moves on to another job suddenly you discover that the organization itself never really uh brought in to those ideas whereas in other cases ambassadors you hope work to convince others uh and the effect survives their departure so i see another question from cilia van gelder is uh referring to i mean she's mentioned elixir as an example but i think this is a more general question about uh research infrastructures that are dealing with specific domains many of them have already been doing a good deal of work in uh in developing skills uh to use this distributed infrastructure they're building and she's asking how can it connect up to the follow-up work uh that will go on when eos pilot ends so i wonder uh jerry or angus do you have any um reflections uh on that particular point i was just about to uh click send on the prior to that just just saying we'd love to get elixir's input to the final draft of our framework because we're developing these researcher profiles and we want to make sure we we link them to the right support skills and um you know elixir has a great deal of experience in in uh practicing that and yeah we'll we'll be in touch and um also with anyone else who um is is also interested because this is the focus of of the last part of our project okay and i see two further comments that have come up in the chat uh one uh about sustainability uh of project funded initiatives i mean which is uh as we all know a general problem fosters looking at this eos certainly has similar challenges we've got waves of projects uh all meant to be building on the the work of others there's uh again an observation from celia that uh one thing that may help with this to an extent is a community of practice of training organizers training organizers and coordinators uh that's deliberately intended to cross over all these different projects and initiatives and bring together the groups of people are working on similar problems however they're being funded now i don't know um how much is this particularly focused on projects and whether the people involved in the labor working groups are aware of that community of practice and whether they feel it'd be useful to engage with it i think it would um i don't know again to the labor panelists are you aware of this uh and is this something you feel you could engage with as organizations in this particular case i wasn't aware of the elixir i think what she mentioned um but i'm you know this is the part where the in the labor working group where we're still kind of trying to find out about all these things that are already existing so any input i think will be uh welcome yeah yeah and i think i mean i know most of these initiatives uh are being driven by organizations many of whom are themselves labor members so i wonder if this is i know even in the organization i'm part of there's not always as good enough good communication as there should be between the different parts uh of of the university uh and i'm sure that problem is replicated uh elsewhere so um and i see arena kushma has put in a link in the chat to that community of practice uh workspaces this is the community of practice it's meant to bring together training coordinators uh whatever project they're involved in or whatever organizations they're in in engage with uh so hopefully that can be useful for lever to reach uh uh a greater community uh of of people so now lock on bus in the chat there some of its uh response another thing yet another initiative that that cilia's mentioned um go train so first i guess i'd ask how many of the speakers on the school are aware of the go train initiative and what uh it involves because if we aren't then the follow-up question it's going to be rather difficult to ask i'm taking that silence i like of awareness maybe just i think um then we come back to the question you had cavin um and we didn't react before it is how are there are different levels like eosk is maybe seen more as a political level but now it's going into content as well then go fair is more should be seen as a bottom up uh initiative and it's getting momentum so the go train is a good platform as well i'm not that much into the specifics of go train but the go fair initiative is a good way to bring things easier together maybe than via eosk so it's a good combination yeah i mean for for those who aren't aware my understanding certainly of what's happening and go fair is it's bottom up in only in the sense that it's trying to coordinate actions at national level rather than a continental level uh as as as eosk is and it's trying to provide that link between what's being funded and organized within individual member states and what's being done at european level and ensure that those two things work in synergy and maximize each other's work rather than work in a discoordinated way or against each other so certainly there's roles there for leader members to play in in ensuring that any national actions are coordinated more broadly with with with things funded at at european or indeed we know some examples that we've touched on the eosk pilot work things that are funded at at global level through groups such as the the belmont forum well we're running near to the end of our allotted hour in this webinar um and unless there are any really urgent questions uh to to to address here i'd um i'll say a few words hopefully summarizing what we we've heard and and i'd like to offer my thanks uh to to to everyone involved so we've seen one part of what's been going on in this project eosk pilot a great deal of the risk of of what eosk pilot has been doing has focused either on more technical issues to do with making infrastructures work together or political issues involving things like governance and policy in the european open science cloud but there was a recognition when the project began that all of these things will fail if we don't have sufficient people with the right skills uh both to to manage data to curate data and to be able to reuse data effectively to build uh the sort of research ecosystems that the vision of eosk sets out so you've seen uh the extent to which the project has in one area focused on trying to define their skills particularly focusing on the data stewards the people who to whom individual researchers will hand over responsibility for the data before hopefully that data was then reused uh in another context either in research or elsewhere and those data stewards will often but not always uh be situated in uh libraries uh or the parts of organizations that are closely tied to libraries so therefore it's it's opposite that we've seen that lever as part of a broader set of work on examining how the change in requirements on digital skills is going to impact on libraries both on how you're going to be training your own staff and on the responsibilities of library to train those elsewhere in the universities to bring them up to speed with the digital skills that they're going to need to work not just today but in the future we've heard about specific initiatives within uh national areas within individual universities and about at least one tool an open science MOOC that has the potential to have impact way beyond the university it was originally uh developed in and that type of work I'm sure is a sort of collaborative activity uh that lever members can engage in to to to have that um that far greater reach because one of the things that's clear is that if you look at any of the reports about the need for increasing skills in the the data areas there's various frightening numbers being being bounced around a quarter of a million people half a million people with new skills needed within the next few years we're not going to achieve those numbers through face-to-face classroom teaching alone so tools like MOOCs self-paced learning are going to be key to that change uh in the future so thanks uh to all of our speakers to to Jerry DeFries uh to Cecil Suressec to Thors de Mea, Karen Clavel, Hannah Graver-Movig um thanks uh to the folks uh in in in Liba uh and and DOS pilot uh who made this event possible thanks to all of you for attending uh and uh asking such interesting questions uh I hope uh you feel better educated and I hope that some of you feel uh able enabled uh to affect some small degree of change in our own organizations uh in the area of skills thank you all and goodbye