 All right, welcome back. It's still the breakfast on plus TV Africa and we still have our security consultant who has joined us, Dr. Roy Ohideva. Thanks for staying with us, Dr. Roy. This time around, let's just focus on the emerging security challenges in the South East. All right, Dr. Roy, you are aware, Dr. Ohideva rather, you are aware of what has been happening in the South, but let's start with what happened recently in Amos State, where those are two army officers killed. The army has come out to say that it was actually a very sad one, but how could that have been averted really? Well, I am still not comfortable with that incident because I know the ones officer and he had a promising career and he had to resign because of that marriage. You know, and for this thing to have happened like this, it's another eye opener because, you know, when this Biafra started, I went on Facebook, I became members of, I joined so many groups so that I can talk to youths. You know, I was trying to impose on them a mindset to have an articulate approach to the matter because anytime you go through violence, you cannot control what the armies you are growing, we begin to do. Even Boko Haram, who has started to have splinter groups, ISIS, ISWA, they have these cordon tunes, they fight internally and they break out. You know, so anytime you are going into violence, so I was speaking to them. My wife is from the East, you know, my dad is from Edo state, my mom is Fulani, my grandmother is Ijebu. So I always let people know that there are people that came from everywhere in Nigeria. So we are the tribalized, we cannot be in one tenacity or the other. So when you see what our youths are doing in terms of ritual, in terms of cyber crime, in terms of any kind of syndrome that is get rich quick, you will understand that the youths are dictated already. The youths are falling out of the pattern of being disciplined and followed through with parents, guardians, daddy and mommy advice, you know. So the youths are their own government and you begin to perpetrate violence and you think that they will not correlate their frustration and disguntment with that violence and take it beyond the level that you can handle. So right now, the East is facing this charade of unknown government and we understand that the unknown government, they are there when we were having a headsman crisis in Enugu and other places. And we expected that these are discussions that could be had, people can discuss, people can have articulate representation. There are people from the East that have been in the presidency. In the last 10, 20 years, there are people from East that have held office in CBL, that have held office in our judiciary, that have held office in MDDC, that have held very strategic offices, vice presidents, people from the East. So what did we do with those appropriate positioning to begin to put forward strong and logical arguments? No, because people get into government and they become distracted with what they can take for themselves. They forget the agitations of the people. Now the East that we speak about now used to be very peaceful. I used to go to Enugu, I love Enugu particularly because you go around, you just see people relaxing. And there's a lot of civil servants there. The Nigerian and film industry used to go to the East to film, to make all of those films. And you can see sometimes they go to the forest, they go to distant, unpoliced areas to make movies that we enjoy. Who can try that now? You know, but we built this situation as best. We believe in violence. We believe in encouraging violence. We believe in a bunch of people. And that's where we are. So, but would you say that these are known gunmen and the I-POP are one of the same thing? Listen, I can speak right now. There are people that claim they are bandit but they are terrorists. There are people that claim that they were Boko Haram but they were ISIS. Later, we are hearing there is this one. Go and take the history in the East that we are now. There are people that said they are I-POP and they made the man their spokesperson and he went into aggression and violence and they are not with him. They are I-P-OP, they are fighting for Biafra. They are not with Nadi Kanu. The same Nadi Kanu now, when we had about Eastern Security Network, we saw them on videos in forest areas being trained with their black attire, we're gone. How do you think Nigeria will not be attracted? Now, when the ESN is there, we started to hear that they are prepared to perpetrate violence. And they started to say Monday is no workday. We don't want election, beginning to give rules and regulations. Now, because those people that are known, that belongs to ESN and I-P-OP, cannot be now seen or be perpetrated if you will be arrested. You know, so the next thing we had is unknown gunmen. So if the unknown gunmen are not I-P-OP, if the unknown gunmen are not ESN, I want to ask a question. If you say you are I-P-OP, you are ESN, and you are for the East, you are for the actualization of Biafra, what's stopping you in that same East that you are right now to apprehend the unknown gunmen? What's stopping you to stop the violence, the killing of Easterners, people, brothers and sisters? Why can't you not stop it? You cannot stop it. How can you protect Biafra when you finally actualize Biafra? That's what I also ask people from those states, you say, heads men, come and kill people. And I said, what about the cult guys? What are they doing? I ask people in Benway state, when it is time for the thief and the jukun to fight, you will see them killing community to community, believe themself. One day you will hear that heads men came and killed everybody. Where are those young men that were fighting within communities? Why can't they protect their community? So if you are not I-P-OP and ESN are not unknown gunmen, I am not saying they are. Can you arrest the unknown gunmen and put them in those viras with you? Can you arrest the unknown gunmen and hand them over to the police so that when an unknown gun is talking to the government, when I-P-OP is talking to the government for the actualization of Biafra, the government and the people will believe that unknown gunmen is a criminal body. Why can't you arrest them? But how come it has become, I mean, if you look at our country, we have the police force and we know the primary responsibility of the Nigerian police to maintain law and order, protection of lives and property within a civil dispensation. It is their responsibility. And in every state, you have the presence of the Nigerian police. So what's really going on? Is it that the Nigerian police have been overwhelmed? Why? Well, the incapability and incapacity of the Nigerian police was 30 years ago before politicians permeated the professional structure of the police. As I speak to you now, it's only favored police officers, listen to me, favored police that actually enjoy the technology advancement, the opportunities to interagency organize a result. If you need to serve a political, you may need to work with financial institutions. You may need to work with telecommunication institutions. You may need to work with private security agencies. You may need to work with other agencies. You will need technology. You will need technological know-how. You will need collaboration of the people. All of those things in the last 30 years have eroded. That is why you will see a government forming an IROT to be based in Abuja, to leave Abuja to Biasa state to go and arrest somebody. Are there no area commands? Are there no officers in Biasa to transfer that information to? Why is the IROT the only one to go to extreme places in the country to arrest people? Why are some cases called high-profile? When it is Nigerians that are involved, that are victims and that are also paying taxes. So you can see them we have, have been streamlined for the elite. Only the elite get the protection from the police. If you are a woman and you are among the unfortunate masses there is no policing for you. So that is where we found ourselves. But some people are opportune to get access to policing and they are using it to protect themselves and perpetrate them evil. That is very important. Dr. O'Hideva, very quickly as we wrap up from this particular session, now let's talk about the seated home that is actually in force in Anambra state. The new governor, Charles Saludo, has said that there's no more seated home. But over time, people are even scared to go about their normal business. Very quickly, how do we secure an end to that? Well, I just saw a video that once the Rookin is also wanted by the, what should I say, IPOB or no government or ESN. I saw the video going viral where they matched their face. They said they are looking for once the Rookin. See, what I advise the Eastern governors to do is to stop talking. They should not come on air to say anything concerning these matters anymore. They should collaborate and begin to penetrate the hideouts of these people and decimate them. You know, they should repair high-profile, speedy judicial processes. There are people from the East that are judges in Nigeria. Give them responsibility. There are people from the East that are in the military, in the police. Don't send somebody from anywhere. Get patriotic people from the East that believe that Biafra can be actualized through other means and put them and give them the opportunity. The governors that are seated there today, they should forget about political gimmicks. Political politics. They should focus on the people and help the police agencies to forge ahead, find out these people, bring them out and prepare judicial processes for them. All right, thank you so much. In Lida, we have been speaking with Dr. Roy Ohidebe. He is a security consultant and he has shared so many thoughts and ways forward on how we can tackle all of this and developing issues as they affect the nation's security. Thank you again for joining us on the breakfast. Thank you very much. All right, and that's the size of the show for today. A very big thank you to all of our guests. 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