It Shouldn't Be This Hard

The podcast that dives deep into the messy, meaningful work of responsible business and conscious leadership. 

Hosted by Phil White and Heidi Schoeneck, co-founders of Grounded – and joined by Gaia, their brilliantly provocative AI sidekick – this show explores what it really takes to drive change from the inside out. 

Are you a founder or social entrepreneur challenging the status quo? A brand, sustainability, or CSR leader working to turn good intentions into real impact? Or a thought leader, expert, or author with powerful lived experience to share?

Whoever you are, if you're grappling with how to do the right thing (and do things right), you're in the right place. 

We bring you candid conversations, bold ideas, and practical insights from people who are walking the talk (or trying their damnedest). And hey – if that sounds like you, Phil and Heidi would love to have you on the show. 

Apply to be a guest at https://shorturl.at/95W4k.