Lazy Leverage

Two hardcore ops guys obsessed with one thing: doing more with less.

Jon Matzner spent years in counter-terrorism and non-proliferation before pivoting to build, buy, and sell businesses. He now runs Sagan — a global talent company that's helped hundreds of founders hire thousands of people worldwide.

Peter Lohmann is an engineer-turned-operator running 700+ residential units in Columbus, Ohio, and co-founder of Crane, a network for serious property management professionals.

Every episode, they get into whatever's actually on their minds — AI, hiring, systems, leadership, building teams, acquiring companies. No fluff. No courses to sell you.

If you're an operator trying to build something real, this is for you.

Let's get to work.