Human Up with Pim & Milan

She was a Google executive; he was a stay-at-home dad 6 years her junior. 3 kids under 8. 0 screens. 0 fights. We threw out the standard blueprint to build a life on our own terms.

Welcome to huMAN UP with Pim and Milan.

Society gives us a default script: climb the ladder, run on a treadmill of stress, let screens raise the kids, and accept fighting as a normal part of marriage.

We chose a different path.

After decades at the top of Wall Street and Google, Pim joined Milan to scale our corporate growth business (Grows Us), run our retreat center in Chiang Mai (La Tierra), and build a human-centered AI matching app (JustRight). We homeschool our oldest, live (almost) screen-free, work side-by-side every day as best friends, and operate with zero relational friction.

We hit record on our kitchen table conversations to share the raw, unscripted reality of what it looks like to break the rules, lean into each other's strengths, and design a truly fulfilling life.