 Good morning afternoon folks. Ted Rawlson here at Think Tech Studios downtown, downtown Wamanalo, I might suggest, with two great guests, Kainoa Jimenez and Mike Amoros, CEO and CTO of Coalea Gold, a local upstart, new start, well-respected drone operation here in Hawaii, Anahu. And our show where the drone leads, we're talking about this time the drone leading to a community opportunity near you or an, or a activity in your community near you. And that brings up the very important issue of community connection, community outreach and community involvement in terms of something new like drones and moving into this world of drone technology. The way I look at it, we see a surveyor in the streets with a surveyor gear and stopping traffic every now and then it looks, you know, we're used to that. It looks normal. It's okay. We understand surveyors out there. We see the power truck out there from the power company servicing the poles and such. Give them some room and let them be as fine. But you see a guy out there with a drone. You're not quite sure exactly what he's up to, all right? And the surveyor is standing right there. The power company guy is right there by the pole, but the drone guy could be here and his drone could be a quarter mile away. So we'll see drones in our community doing public service, doing research, doing information collection, agriculture work, for example, but we really need to educate the community about the value of these drones, what they're doing, and the various forms of legality that is behind them. And you are thinking about that a lot over at Coalea. Absolutely. So tell us how that comes to you as a new starting company and how you have to think about that. Yeah. Just this past two weeks, two weeks ago, right, we were down at the Capitol and we, first of all, highly recommend if you want to do networking, go down to the Capitol. That's the best place to be. You meet everybody and anybody. You never know who you're going to meet there. So it's best. And you were there two years, two weeks ago at the Aerospace Summit. At the Aerospace Summit. And thank you again for that opportunity. Well, thank Jim Prisafuli and the guys at D-Bed for putting that on. Yes, ma'am. Let's do a shout out to Jim. He doesn't give much shout outs. Jim, you're on it. Yeah, thank you so much. Leading to a meeting with Representative Jarrett Keohokalole and also to meet Senator Sam Slam. And we looked, you know, the important question there at the Capitol was basically, what can we do for the community? And that's a big question that we both kind of and I were thinking a lot about. I mean, the community is our home, you know, we were born and raised here. So what we focus on was a lot of issues that we deal with with transportation, traffic for our industry was more airspace, you know, how we're going to figure out how we're going to be able to all understand what we're doing in this industry and we're on the same page. So community work was our our goal and education. Education is where it's basically where it's at, where we can go and go to these schools especially and reaching out to the kids and seeing, you know, how can we come up with a program to work with these students to teach them how to operate safely in Hawaii and to figure out problems like traffic. I want to do a shout out to Iveni Toa Toa. He's a proud father of nine kids in Nanakuli and he talks about traffic in Nanakuli. And you know what? Why don't you use a drone for traffic, letting us know how the traffic is on the west side? So you're talking about a real soft and easy incursion of drone functionality into the community's life and traffic is like the main essential issue. Traffic, water, food, and even pedestrian safety and such like that. So observing patterns and collecting information, writing, generating maps or seeing how factors influence each other and getting the kids involved in that sort of educational program. And that's where you come in, the picture, since you're an educated and trained engineer now and see this thing from a sort of a technical side. But you know this interesting part especially the fact that you guys are a technical guy and a business guy sitting side by side, technical guys often, I don't mean this pejoratively, but technical guys often don't see the things like the community involvement aspect. And the fact that you have the additional insight from Micah that makes sure that you're always going to see it that way is great because the strength you've got from a technical understanding can penetrate into the value statement the community sees. And you from the community side can see how you have to reach and grab out of the engineering people what the values are from their technical perspective. So this is a great opportunity for technical education and getting these kids interested in becoming engineers or scientists as well. So tell us how you're going to do that. Well, there's a few things that we could cover, but one thing that I would like to I guess involve the kids in would be how to design their own, get ideas of what every single kid, because every single kid that comes to that class probably has an interesting story. And a different story, and a different idea. Exactly. And it's unique. And it's their own intellectual property that we want them to create. And so that's what engineers are all about. Intellectual properties and how those intellectual properties can give back to the community in a sense. And sometimes we do as engineers don't see the community aspect. And that's where we need to, that's where I have my business partner to, I guess, coax me in the right direction, as opposed to stay towards more technicals. So the community involvement maybe actually begins in the elementary years of the school programs. Yes. And kids have parents, parents are interacting with the kids so the kids can take messages home to the parents. Absolutely. And can bring in messages from the parents. So you get the picture of the whole society that way, but working at the school level. That's our goal. Our goal is to have at least three, four kids over here on the show with us. Next show? You do, right? Kids here. Yep. Next week, next week, Friday, you guys be ready. We're going to have kids up here, have some drones, and we start talking about community and what we're going to be doing with designing and building and really just inspiring their minds. I mean, this is, this is, this is it. This is where Hawaii is and our location. This is a priming spot for us to, you know, take a, take a smart approach on this, using this technology, the engineering, the energy. And it's very exciting. Every time talking about it's actually coming on this show. That's great. You know, I like your idea of the traffic to take as an example, traffic in Nanakuli. I don't know that that's why certainly at some parts of the day, we go there with the racers. And it's, it's traffic is an issue on, on the highway through Nanakuli. So think of a project that the school couldn't get involved in the kids can get involved in. And it doesn't have to be a fast paced project. It can take its time. It can, it can learn and grow as time goes on and begin just basically observing traffic flow, observing how the side streets and the main road interact, observe how time of day affects the traffic direction, traffic flow, and get the kids to think about this, let them actually do the collection of the information, let them build the drones as you suggest. In fact, have several different drones doing that work and look at the comparative differences of various solutions that are problem and start an actual project. In fact, started right at the school. How about traffic at the school itself in terms of entry and exit flow in the morning in the afternoon when the kids come in and out? What a great project to do right there for the kids in their own school. Right. Right. Even that, that whole concept of, yeah, starting at the school, using the school property and, and there's, you know, as experts in, in, especially with the part 107, we understand what is allowed to be done here on the state, in the state. And even at schools, using, using our drones, I mean, we'll be more than happy if, you know, reach out to the community, schools, if you folks look into using drones for anything in particular, you know, give us a call, you know, and call a goal, we, we are more than happy to join you and you having, you know, two smart engineers with you ready to solve problems. And this is, this is the future. And this is something that we want to push to the community and get them excited for something that we can, we can focus on, you know, technology, you know, everybody's perspective on technology can be, you know, quite scary, you know, then they're not too sure what it's all about. But if, if you have an imagination, you know, like, to solve problems that we deal with, especially here in Hawaii, this is where we started here at home. Let's use it, you know, we, we had a Hawaiian compass that we would use to guide with stars to travel the world, you know, you would use tools to start fire, we knew how to reduce tools to catch fish at our fish pond. We didn't even have to use a fishing line. We would just build a brick wall and have a fence and just have little fish come in, feed it, and then now they can't go out the fence. Then, you know, we knew how to use technology and utilize it. This is an opportunity for our community to use this technology to solve problems. And if we can take that very idea and get it into a document of some kind, it can become a chapter within the best practices of how to use drones in this state. And in fact, just sitting at this table last week was Senator Will Esperal, 19th District, and we had a lot of, a lot of good conversations. But one of the ones he reinforced over and over again to us as he did at the, at the Aerospace Summit was, okay, you guys out there, the network that contains you and others, you're involved, you guys have an information, you tell us, the state, what we need to do to move forward, you help us put together an operating manual, so to speak, which would contain many chapters, one of which would be the community involvement, one could be education, two of them we talked about right here. Help me put together that, that operating manual, that standard operating procedure, and then, and then help him determine what legislations needed, what directions are needed in budget and in rulemaking to make this all come forth. And so what you're outlining is exactly what Will Esperal asked for, last week right here. So I think we, we have to talk about how we're going to structure that, and I have an immediate opportunity for you in Kaneohe, we'll talk about, actually get back from our first break. 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We are back live here, folks, Friday afternoon in downtown Wamanalo, overlooking Wamanalo Bay with our great friends from Ocalea Gold who are about the third time you've been on this show now and starting to become feel like home, right? Feel like a glove that fits pretty well. Yeah. Maybe you can host the show sometime. You're ready, right? Michael Montas, thanks for coming on board. Absolutely. And all you minutes. Thanks for coming on board again. And we're having a pretty cool conversation here at break about this book, this operating procedure, this manual, this set of intelligence and guidance that would be useful for constructing how and informing how drones are to be used here in the state of Hawaii to the benefit of all of us. And it would help a lot as straightening out understandings and straightening out determinations of how to make best use of something like this. You mentioned Department of Transportation. We mentioned the film office here. And how about DNLR? How about the agriculture people? How about the Department of Health? Yes. Every one of them would have some thing they can find useful in there and some hesitation they've got because they don't have the information. So putting together this common operating manual would go a long way. And if we can get them involved in putting it together, and you've already started. We're talking about community involvement, talking about education. So just in our minds here, just think forward for a minute. We got to put this thing, we got to have, we got to generate eight and a half by eleven pages that have pictures and graphics and narrative in them. And we have to do it. So the best thing that we have right now is resources. There's a lot of experts in this industry, especially here in Hawaii and right here at this table with the two of you guys. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. And the main thing that we know, well, the plan is we got to get everybody all together, even if it's a computer in front of us. But we all sit down at a round table, have all of us sit down and start writing chapter one. Here we go. And we know for sure the chapter one is this understanding of what a drone is. You know, in this round table, that's the most exciting thing too, is that who's going to be there. You know, we're going to have us three, we're going to have George, of course, George and Mike. I mean they're experts as well, but more important, more importantly is the community. It's all of us who's going to be. There's no, you know, special... You know, why don't we talk about that for a moment. We're talking about chapters in a book that would be inclusive. Why don't we start with chapter zero being the community, even before chapter one. Let's talk about the community and the importance of working with the community, involving the community, and then that would lead to the education. What do we put those together? Community and education in the same chapter zero, even before we start talking about the technology and all the other values. You know, what goes back to most of my mind, I think I might have talked last time, but there's a book called The Painted Statue, which was written about 10-12 years ago, and it deals with the Kamehameha statue and Javi on the Big Island, which had to be... It was having some structural problems and some aging. And the question was, how do you restore this statue? Well, do you restore it to the terms of the letters that were written in the Kingdom days when the statue was created, what the statue was supposed to be, or do you recreate it or re-fix it in the image that the artist had who constructed it in the first place, or do you reconstruct it in the way the community had adopted it and modified it over time? Which one is right? But the answer was the community had the answer. So instead of coming from a scientific perspective, the thing ran into all kinds of trouble, so I had to reverse and go from a community perspective. So I think over and over again, community first might be the way to approach this thing, and that might be uniqueness that Hawaii has. Other communities that don't have quite the other states that don't have quite the sense of our communities we have here in an island environment, not quite see that. So this could be unique. It definitely is, and it's the first step to our big vision. And guess who's going to write that first chapter? Oh, you know who it is. Hey, George Purdy. Hey, George. Hey, let's just make a point. George and Mike Elliott and the others from our favorite groups are out in Kualoa Ranch right now, conducting the second to the last day of the World Drone Racing Championships, and for the folks in the public, that is open to the public. However, it's very tight on parking. It's a remote area, Kualoa Ranch, in fact, of a valley associated with Kualoa, hard to get to, and hard, there's not much parking there. So people are heading out, they're thinking about heading out tomorrow, thinking about going early, and think about maybe having to turn around in case the parking is full, because it is a very fragile environment and it can't tolerate a lot of people. There's a lot of interest, but, and this brings up another point. The interest out there, I was out there yesterday and you guys are, I'm sure, going to be out there tomorrow, but just seeing that technology playing out in the hands of a lot of people from around the world speaks again about the community aspect. There's a community of of technology application people which are making the drone racing piece happen. Myself, I'm not quite so much concerned about the competition aspect of the drone racing. I like the fact that it attracts the kids in the STEM orientation and the STEM domain. And I ask them all the time, if you could see these drone racers that work, imagine how they would work in agriculture, in finding lost people, in search and rescue, in beach erosion issues. How would you use this technology up close, past, and precise? How would you use that to collect information you need to manage your interests in your community? So I just make a shout out to the guys, Scott Russell and the guys who put that all together, and to the public who were heading out there, just be aware of the tight parking situation. Yes. But that was an interjection. We mentioned George, I want to make sure we get a shout out to him, he's involved with that as well. Of course, of course. And yeah, since we're on community, that's what we'll be striving for. Looking for a particular location, a venue that we can invite the community over, and simply enough we just talk about drones. What do you know about it, what do you like about it, what... Since we talked earlier, pardon me for interacting, intersecting your wonderful dialogue, that's what happened. Monologue, we talked about traffic in Nanakuli. Yes. You guys, why don't we think of, why don't we do a a community event in Nanakuli. Okay. Starting as soon as we can find a location to do it, and just make it as informal as possible. This would be under, if it's under 107, we're all three of us here, licensed 107 operators, and there's no airport within five miles of Nanakuli. No. So we don't have a worry about, it's all class GR space, I'm guessing. Yes. There could be some restricted airspace in Makua and such, but that's five miles away. Yeah, Makua has the the military restriction. We'll look in the section, we'll find a place for where we can do it, a park or some area, and just simply demonstrate the functionality. Oh, that sounds like a great idea, I know. And we have it on camera here. Yes. Makua, it's done. It's done. Okay. It's in there. And you're going to bring the engineering aspects into the discussion. Oh, yes. So we'll have function and engineering. I'll have the representative in that district, I do not recall her name, but I know she's, she started a Facebook page regarding traffic. That's who we, that's where we can present the, use the footage for the feed, and that's where it'll be on. So those of you on the Waini Coast, the island of Oahu, you know, look forward to this opportunity to demonstrate traffic using drones. And this is, this is the project. Yes. What we would probably do just thinking about the event is, besides the discussion and the safety precautions and the other things that 107 tells us we must obey, the operational part would more than likely just, I'm guessing, launch into a stationary position, a video return drone, or something taking still pictures, and after half an hour's worth of flight or so, just bring it down. Yes. And go through the analysis of what can be done with the imagery collection, the stills, as well as the video, and just show how we can now, we've now captured a half hour's worth of traffic in this particular area, and so patterns and rates and accumulation of, of stoppages and such can all be measured by this means, which you might not see when you're standing on the ground looking at it. Absolutely. Oh. And there's current, and there's, it's funny that you brought it on the colleagues because there's current on road work as we speak, they're adding new turn lanes that's supposed to help the traffic, but in reality it's making it worse. Well, let me tell you where I live. I live in Waimanalo, and we're seeing that situation right now. I think if we had had this conversation a year ago, in Waimanalo, we're two years ago, and looked at what's actually, what did, how the traffic actually works in Waimanalo versus what the design of the, of the redesigned Kalani Atole looks like. We might have different answers, and maybe it's not too late to, you didn't hear, so, but on the other hand, we can't do this in a front Department of Transportation, so they have to know that we're doing this, I would suggest. Yes, of course. And make sure that this is all done, that everybody's seeing it together. Yeah, we're having some serious issues in Waimanalo, and this leads actually to other questions that, that again come back to community involvement. I wonder if the Nanakuli work on the, on the road was done with full community involvement. I can tell you that it was not done that way in Waimanalo, and I'm guessing it probably was. And that goes back to another point. I was thinking as I was driving in for our show here. Community involvement is a requirement, it's a checklist item on, on our contract, we'll say. So the guy has a meeting with, plenty of people show up. Okay, I did my meeting, I had my community involvement, but you didn't have your community involvement. You had a meeting, or maybe even not even a meeting, but you didn't really have community involvement. And so this can help. So we have a, we have some interesting challenges you've taken on here, sir. Let's do it. Let's do it, I agree. This is all part of what we were just talking about, rather than saying it, they have to take action. And you bring the representative from the area in, and we're bringing Senator Esmeral, and we'll just do a little, and have potluck and Hawaiian style, do all, right? Got to have food. Got to have food. Okay. Got to have food. Yeah, we can definitely move in that direction. We will definitely get the contacts in Nanakuli. Why not please be ready. We are coming to at least, you know, provide that aerial footage that can help with traffic. We believe it can help, you know, just another perspective that will benefit how we look at things. And trust me, it is different. It is different. And the pictures that you take will become part of the chapter on community involvement. This, this then becomes the first element of community involvement. Yes. That's great. It all starts from here. Okay. Okay. And you know what? You guys are going to get, you're going to host the show sometime, right? That's what I heard, right? So what you do is you make deals with the people who come on, and you got them on TV, man. You can't escape it. So you need to think when you're hosting the show, you got to get some guy here and get him going on a deal, and get him in it. That's a deal. Shake on it, write it on camera. Exactly. Write it on camera. I can't get away from that. It'll be on YouTube all over the place. And so we're there. But anyway, we'll do it. What will we call it? The non-accruely transportation shoot. Non-accruely transportation shoot. Okay. And pick it in an area where there's, where the work hasn't necessarily been done yet by the, by the highway department. So we're not, not, not confrontation, stepping on anybody's toes. Exactly. Right. Yeah. That's the other part of community involvement. Don't step on anybody's toes. Everybody working together. Right. Cool. Well, gentlemen, as usual, it's been great having you on here. The ideas that come tumbling out, and I really appreciate the fact you were spending your time in the Capitol. If you could take your story to every one of our senators and representatives, and the committee heads, and this sort of thing, that have anything to do with drones or would want to influence how they're used, or anything like that, that is such a valuable act. And also it's a learning point. If you could, if the kids in school could come along with you, grab a couple of kids in school. This is how representative government works. That is so cool. And so, once again, and can't forget the engineering part of this, because you know why? The, the systems we have today aren't going to survive. The U.S. is not going to survive the challenge of RTCA, the radio telecommunications community that's coming up with standards that drones have to obey. So we're going to have to re-engineer all these things sooner or later with digital radios. Radio on it. Radio on it. Okay. All thanks for coming on. And Micah, thanks for making a deal right here in front of all the people who are playing over here.