 it was done as a publicity stunt and then you talked about your lawyer but from your Supreme Court case actually confirmed that it that that is what that was about. It was a staged event. No question about it. The BATF was being considered to be scaled down or completely dissolved and abolished and have the FBI take over gun enforcement. And so the BATF knew that they had to stage an event that would prompt Congress to not only not get rid of them but to make them bigger. And actually that's what happened. The BATF actually got an increase of money and manpower after the Waco incident. They have the second largest building in D.C. after the Pentagon. BATF does? They have a gigantic office building. I didn't know that. They just finished it like five years ago. I would have guessed the Department of Education but that's another one that needs to go. Well it's in a bunch of buildings. Yeah they have one giant complex. Okay. See well this is just another example of out of control stupid government that we have today and the essence of tyranny is the enforcement of stupid laws and that's what we have going on in our police departments and federal government all across the country. I would just add the essence is when they write laws for law abiding citizens. Look at this article. ATF manager says he shared fast and furious info with White House. We posted that C-SPAN video at infowars.com yesterday but you talked to Larry Pratt. He's been at the hearings and give us the bad news and the good news. I mean it's bad news the White House is this criminal but the good news is if we keep forcing this issue this could bring them down like Nixon. Tell us what's happening. Well quite frankly this is a bigger scandal than Watergate was and no question about it and that's also in my book and the title of my book is the magic of gun control and this is we're seeing the magic all the time which there isn't any. It's all an illusion and right now we have fast and furious which has literally been the biggest scandal since the assassination of JFK and the reason why it has not gotten the play that Watergate got is plain and simply mainstream media. Now we have a reporter Atkinson I think her name is Cheryl Atkinson. She actually was one of the first to expose this. She works for CBS News. No strangely enough CBS broke it and then the Justice Department said they back off. Well good ATF did their right job and said look border patrol been killed they went public with this and then they said you're liars and it turns out the Attorney General has his portrait himself. Yes and not only that but they have refused congressional subpoenas which is against the law that's a violation of the law you cannot refuse that. Senator Grassley is so frustrated at the response from the White House and then when they finally get documents that they've been asking for for weeks they're all blacked out and so and they and they then they claim national security national security about gun running into Mexico what is national security we're not at war with Mexico. This isn't this isn't any secret war or anything we're going at what is national security just show the documents if you need to take an informants name out fine blacked out out but they're 90% blacked out and so they're nothing and they're completely and Congress they're the law givers they they represent the people the executive just like they launched a Libya war without their approval right it's just doing whatever at once and now it turns out that the head special agent ATF in charge of Phoenix who I know it's an oxymoron to say good ATF but he said look I'm not gonna do this anymore. This is criminal and it turns out he's told the truth and he testified that the White House did know well of course now we know the FBI and DEA were involved. Yes and Agent Dodson from the Phoenix office was actually the first one to break this whole thing he exposed it to Atkinson and so this is the a gigantic story but you need to understand this is our own federal government running guns into Mexico and the reason they said they were doing it is so they could trace the guns into the cartels the only way you can trace a gun into a cartel is if it has a GPS unit there was only two guns with GPS units so they couldn't trace them anyway so they had to know that they were going to be used in gun violence and then agent Brian Terry working for the border patrol is shot and killed his family starts asking for answers and then Dodson starts telling the truth from the BATF office in Phoenix exposing his own department his own office for the corruption of running these guns down to Mexico and you need to know every one of your listeners you need to absolutely know what this was is have you ever heard Barack Obama get up and say even since the Gifford shooting in Tucson where Judge Roll was killed even if even since then you have not heard even at the memorial service you have not heard Barack Obama say we've got to have more gun control you know he's a gun control fanatic everybody he has Eric Holder everybody in his cabinet our anti-second amendment they want to do this this was their way of promoting making sure gun control would become a second and by the way there's total proof it turns out a year ago and I was already talking about this at the time they put out press releases Holder came to Texas Arizona and Mexico California and gave speeches saying the crime in Mexico is because of US guns right they know they're shipping and and that's how they but now it came out in the Miami papers and others that they're shipping them into Miami to go to Honduras right and so this is a lot bigger it's a lot bigger and it's again a lot worse than Watergate but if we would only get the media now who do we have really attacking this we have Fox News you gun owners of America and we still don't have the mainstream newspapers or NBC even CBS who broke this has backed off and pulled back now and they act like it's you know Kit gloves here for some reason so if the if the media if the national media really went after this this would have already destroyed the presidency of Barack Obama because all of this was an attempt to promote backdoor gun control in America and destroy the Second Amendment that's all what this was about it was a political ploy by the White House by this justice we've had the ATF in Austin Cindy Legals in the gun shows you know 90 plus percent or dealers but private people if I want to go sell one of my guns I can walk in with it and sell it they want to shut that down so you can't give your grandson a gun or you can't buy your dad a gun I bought my dad a gun before he's bought me a gun before many guns when I was young right and so so so they can actually register and track everything right and we've caught them all over the country they send illegals in to buy it from some grandpa then they arrest the grandpa in the parking lot and shut the gun show down Mayor Bloomberg sent his own officers from New York City to a gun show in Phoenix to do the same thing and he did that to Bob Templeton of the crossroads of the West gun shows so it's not the feds out of their jurisdiction now it's Mr. Gunn banned Bloomberg right exactly a Republican yeah yeah and so yeah it's good it's getting so crazy out there people think we make this stuff up Alex you know truth is stranger than fiction and folks every bit of this is documented and I think I really believe that this is gonna destroy the Obama administration well you said you talked to Pratt and he and it's been confirmed it goes right up to Obama who is a state senator called for I've read the quotes complete abolition of the Second Amendment of course that's that's been their goal they've just had to they know that there isn't congressional support for it they know that there isn't American support for gun control so they had to fabricate another way to do it just like he fabricated the healthcare crisis to bring in his Obamacare that is how this man moves he is a subterfuse specialist and he is the one that has made this an agenda to make sure that they created enough ire and enough public outcry for gun but I do find it encouraging that that the ATF people actually started blowing the whistle of course there are good people that this proves there are good people in government and if there weren't I'd be out of a job tomorrow I wouldn't have a goal and a purpose in what I'm doing I'd love to be out of this job me too let's work ourselves out of a job we'd live in a free country that's exactly what I'm after I've told my wife and kids I'd love well people ask me why do you get so upset why do you work so hard at an instinctive level I get chills talking about it being a slave having my guns taken having a government that can raise taxes to destroy my future to have these corrupt interests selling our jobs out I mean you'd be crazy to not constantly work against this I mean people think we're like heroes because we fight tyranny that's well you're not gonna have freedom if you don't fight tyranny it's an eternal battle I mean why do you fight corruption well it's about freedom and liberty and that's why I owe it to my kids and my grandkids and if if I'm free and you're not then I'm not free when you're with your grandkids because there's a sweet little innocent toddlers I don't know if they're that age yeah they are with my children every time I'm reading to my little daughter she's almost four I live when they're little she's so sweet and she's so innocent and good all I'm thinking about is we've got to beat the new world order we've got to beat the new world exactly exactly and the corruption that's in government is something that I cannot tolerate and I won't and I believe that there's a lot of good sheriffs out there that will join us in this great cause and I'm asking your listeners to join us in that great cause I need support I need help with this I'm doing as much as I can and I'm traveling and I'm almost exhausted but the traveling how key is it to to reach out to juries grand juries and sheriffs and to take the states back for those that don't know the founders built this in as a balance of power against an out of control federal government well the the sheriff is actually vital and every bit of that state sovereignty is still something the sheriff should be very concerned about they need to be enforcing that juries absolutely yes but the bottom line is the sheriff will determine what is and what is not enforced in your county and so we take back America sheriff by sheriff county by county state by state we make the federal government irrelevant the corruption coming out of Washington DC and I'm going to tell you right now the small arms ban that the United Nations is trying to work out with Hillary Clinton right now there isn't anything that the UN and the federal government are trying to do to us that the sheriffs can't stop exactly when they couldn't get Congress to pass the carbon taxes they had Obama do it executively and then they admitted the Copenhagen meeting two years ago led by Schwarzenegger we're going to go to the cities and do it and they marched into Austin San Francisco and other cities and put carbon taxes on us yeah I mean these are lawless scumbag criminals right and if there was nothing more evident of that then just look at the process going on right now the sausage being grinded out through this ridiculous economic process what you can know for certain with all of this looking at fourteen point five trillion in debt and our obligations up to about ninety trillion dollars what you can know is that every bit of that was thievery corruption and your government at work at its worst and that's why this we have got to find a way to make Washington DC irrelevant financially economically and socially and the sheriffs and the state governments can do that you get governors and sheriffs working together on this holy cause of liberty we'll get freedom back