 I've got some zizzin' going on here. I'm sorry, I'm gonna go to five. Sorry, my bad, there you go. ["Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy"] Stephen McKell. You had 2.2 million followers on TikTok. 51.7 million likes. I don't know how many views. How many views would that rack up? I don't know. It's something like 400 million, 500 million, something around that ballpark figure, which is like mad to me. It's really, it's insane. I don't know. I never thought I'd be able to kind of get that. But not only that, you also have a YouTube channel. So you are the best TikToker I know to ask about the differences between TikTok and YouTube. Before we get into any of that though, what is your favorite own TikTok video on your channel? Oh, that's the hard one. If you ask a TikToker this, this is hard. I think it's the one where I've done mistrunchable, I've done Matilda, and I pretended to be mistrunchable and it got done really, really well. I think that's my favorite one because I think that really encompasses my favorite childhood movie. It's acting, it's fun, people are really resonated with it. So I dressed up like a truncheball, had my hair slipped back and had to, my suit on, my suit jacket on with a belt and these shorts. And I pretended to be the scene where she tucks Amanda's flip over the fence just before that. So I re-enacted that scene of mistrunchable and Amanda flipped the little girl. So it was very, it was, I don't know what it was, it was one of those things that I was like, I'm just gonna film that today and we're gonna learn the lines and then film it and do it in my way. And it done really well, I was really proud of it. But there's a lot of videos that I'm proud of and it's really hard for me to pick one but I think that one really, that was another thing people knew me for. At the end of last year, they were like, oh, you're like mistrunchable and I'm like. I am, yes. And what's your video with the most views? It's a lip challenge. It's got like, I think it's got like 34 million views or something, which is madness. It's got like 30 million views. And it's basically me, this is how the TikTok algorithm works and how anyone can get big on it. It was me putting like three lipsticks, lip with lips and I was going, I put one strip there, one strip here, one strip. And I just went like this. And it was to the song and it was madness. It was like the least effort you could put into a video and it got the most views and everyone knew me as the boy, the other guy does lip challenges. And I was like, yeah, I know. And it's like, even though it would be posted like every six months and it's still get like 10 million views and I'm like, why? Why does this, like, why do people love this? But I think it's aesthetically, like people love to watch those kind of make-up-y stuff. Did I detect a slight eye roll when you gave that answer? A lip sync video seen as perhaps a lesser art form. And the worst thing was it wasn't even lip sync. It was me, let's just go to like smudge the lipstick to make it look like I had like three colours of lips. So it wasn't even lip sync, so it's like even worse. But I think in the realm of lip syncing, so the app used to be called Musically, which, you know, people don't call it anymore. And that traditionally was a lip syncing app. That's how it got its notoriety. However, I can have done original comedy back then and I've done lip syncs as well, I've done original comedy and like dancing and like meme-style content. But I think now, although people that do lip syncs still do very well and they can just sit in front of the camera and lip sync a song and get 10 million views, I'm not jealous. But no, I think that now there's a higher standard now. Now it's a platform with, oh, there's so much in there. And I think lip syncs may be seen as something that's not something like they want to push. Like it's a lip syncing app because it's not now. It used to be, but now it's more like, you know, if you want to really be like big on the platform and really what would be there for longevity, you've got to kind of, you've got to be able to reinvent yourself, I think. And you have a YouTube channel and a TikTok channel. Yes. Why is TikTok better than YouTube? So I think TikTok's better than YouTube because one, it's shorter media. So it's short form media. Whereas, you know, YouTube's long form media, traditionally. I think with TikTok it's easy to get involved in videos or see trends that you can relate to, that you feel like you want to do. The thing about YouTube is that you watch a video and you're like, oh, that's great. And they make me laugh. It's fun. And you think, oh, I'd love to do YouTube. However, then you have to get a camera, lights, edit and it's really hard to be a YouTuber. It's really, really hard. It's the hardest platform to gain followers on. But it's TikTok. You can watch something and you can think to yourself, I know I can do that better. Or if not, I can have just as much as fun as that person and you just need to set up your camera. So the difference between making the content's way on the other spectrum. YouTube's harder, TikTok's very easy. You can upload 10 videos in the space of, you know, half an hour on TikTok and get, you know, triple the views you would if you'd done it on YouTube. So I think that algorithm favors better people because it has like a broader spectrum of content that likes to put on the 4U page. So it gives people a better chance to be seen, to have fun, to interact with other people. I like YouTube, I used to, I've not made videos on that in a while, but I was doing YouTube when I was doing TikTok about a few years ago. So I was doing both side by side. And I felt like your TikTok was just so much easier. It was just, it was a platform where you have to really be authentic for people to really like, to really, to really grow on it. Whereas YouTube, you have to really have a, some sort of, not a facade, you have to have a really different kind of push yourself like 110% whereas TikTok won't be even hot as much. I've got some zizzing going on here. So I can go to the fly. Sorry, I'm not mad. There you go. Do you know what that's called? That's a long-winded answer. No, no, Steven, that is so fascinating because I hadn't thought that the actual, you know, production technique would actually have such a big effect on the, what you share and how you express yourself. So I've been able to just get straight online, means that you put out something a bit more authentic. I hadn't really thought of it like that. Yeah, I think that's, it's a really big, pill factor for someone who's started out on social media, who wants to kind of be big. And please hit the subscribe button below. 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