 Someone said, okay, what do I do though? What do I do? What do I do politically? What do I do in my dealings with the organization, with the local government, with my mother-in-law? I mean, how do I actually take this idea into action? And so I thought of a universal formula, which I usually don't believe in, but in this case the universal formula is a question. And the question is, what is it like to be you? On the ecological level, we can apply that to rivers, to forests, to other species, to individual plants and animals. That opens up questions. Well, what does the river want? What does the soil want? How can I contribute to your well-being so that perhaps you will contribute then to my well-being because we're not really separate?