 And I will pass it off. Have a great weekend everyone. Thank you. Good morning. Everybody. Good morning. Hi Ellen. Hi Tony. Wait a second for to see if Christine joins us as I expect she expects you will. And then we'll get started. Our things in Amherst is the sun shining. Every day is every day is paradise here. I think I want to move there Austin. So. Please don't it just drives up housing prices. I don't think I'm supposed to say that. How does that work wouldn't it do the opposite of more people? No, it's the people who come from Boston who have. They come here and they go, well, got it. So I think what we should do is we should get started on when Christine. Uh, joins us. She will take over chairing the chairing the meeting. I'm at a little bit of a disadvantage since I didn't anticipate chairing and therefore don't have the agenda in front of me. Sharon, do you have the agenda in front of you? Yeah. First is the minutes of May 19th. So would someone please move to approve the minutes of May 19th. So moved. George, would you second them? I would love to second them. Thank you. Is there any corrections to the minutes? Good. By the way, I should have said, but first we'll vote. Sharon. Yes. George. Yes. Austin votes. Yes. So what I should have said is this is a meeting of the design subcommittee of the Jones library building committee. Uh, we are meeting under the authority granted by the governor of Massachusetts to have virtual. Uh, virtual meetings. I want to note the presence of five attendees in the audience and thank them very much for. Um, for joining us. The membership of the subcommittee. Present is Sharon Sherry. You've heard her voice. Here. George Hicks. Richard's George. Here. And Austin, Austin, Sarah is here and we're joined by. Uh, our fabulous OPM and. Uh, several representatives of our fabulous. Partners from FAA. Sharon, what's next on the agenda? Uh, Craig. Collier's project leaders. Craig, take it away. Thank you. So I'll, uh, I'll share my screen. Just give a quick schedule update. And Craig, before you do, I see Christine joining us. Let's just wait a second until she's there. And then we can say good morning, Christine. We, um, we launched, but I'm happy to turn over the meeting over to you. Craig is just about to give us an update on the time. I heard that. Thank you. And sounds good. Perfect. Okay. So this is the same schedule that I, uh, presented to the library building committee meeting earlier this week. Um, for the folks at home. This is our overall project schedule. Our main phases are listed here on the, on the left-hand side. The timeline goes across the top of the screen. We are at this vertical red line right here or a couple of days after that vertical red line, which shows us solidly in the schematic design phase. Um, so this is a, an intensive phase where the design team is collecting information, putting it into the, um, to the ever evolving documents, ever evolving design, and, uh, and we're meeting regularly here with the design, um, subcommittee. Later this month, um, actually towards the end of June, um, we'll be looking for to start a cost estimate process. Um, so that by the end of the schematic design phase, we have updated cost estimates, um, to help make decisions and understand where the project is relative to its anticipated costs. So that's all I have for schedule and budget update or cost update. Um, so with your permission, so that's the end of my report unless there are any questions. I don't see any hands. Thanks, Craig. Yeah. So I'll stop sharing. Okay. So we'll move to item four. Um, I see we have a bunch of, um, fine gold Alexander people. Welcome. I'm, uh, who's leading it up today. I'll, I'll start just saying, um, good morning, everybody. And Austin's not letting me move to MRs. I get it. Um, We, so we, we had a great couple of weeks since we last met you guys. Um, we met with Sharon earlier this week went through, um, a lot of her comments and changes she was, uh, she and her staff was suggesting. So we're going to just launch in and, and, uh, show you what we've done since then. Great. Thank you. Justine, do you want to share screens and take us? Yeah. I'll go ahead and share our screen. The PDFs. If everyone could just let me know if you're seeing, um, the floor plans. We can see them. Great. So, um, shall we start on the ground floor? Yeah, I think that, I think that would do that. Justine and take us up per floor. Yeah. And if anybody has, sorry, Josephine, if anybody has any questions as Josephine's going through this, please. Shout it out. Yeah. Feel free to just interrupt and stop. And this can sort of be a discussion as we, as we move up the building. Um, so as Ellen mentioned, we went through, um, the NBLC comments and the staff comments. And, um, and also the collections that the adjusted collections that Sharon had sent. And, um, we sort of have, it's a working progress, but this is where we are. And we sort of incorporated all of those elements. And, and so we'll just sort of walk you through the, the ground floor and I guess we'll start the vestibule. This is the rare entry of the building. As you all know, um, you can see it changed a little bit from the last time we spoke. Um, and some of the bigger, bigger elements that changed here were the special collections. And what we did here was per, um, the staff requests is that we pretty much, um, so, so sorry, give me just one second. And I think part of the part of it, the staff had some great suggestions. I'm just going to chime in. So we rejiggered, um, the spaces and it really makes great sense. So we're all for what Sharon and her staff are recommending. Yes. So sorry about that. Uh, uh, a frog in my throat. Um, so the special collections is all now within this wing here. And you can see it in yellow. Um, so what we did was we, um, sort of enveloped the original wing here with the special collection storage. And, um, unbelievably we actually have the square footage, um, to, to fit the elements in there. Um, I don't know if you can see well, but we can certainly zoom in for you guys, but we also added the work room into this space, um, which is this block here. Um, and then the rest of the special collections, the reading room and the exhibits, um, are in the new edition back here. We kept the tech service work room, um, where it had previously been located here. Um, so with that, we were able to sort of rework the core a little bit as well. And, um, and the vestibule entry, which we, um, made larger, um, as well be because we had shifted some things within the core element here. Um, the art gallery we maintained in this, um, central location here. Um, the bigger piece was keeping an after hours, um, entry for the space because we, um, did shift the small meeting room to be close to the large meeting room. So it could be accessible as well after hours. Um, so the idea is still that we're coming off the rare entry vestibule using this main corridor space to get to the restrooms and the small meeting room. Um, but we would have some block offs for the after hours use. Um, the idea is that we currently are showing a door here, um, which could certainly open up and just be an overhead gate if that's the route that we wanted to choose. But at the moment it's, we're just showing it closed off with, um, some glazed doors. Um, and then the main stair and elevator, um, we maintained where it was previously located, but we are showing some security gates that would block that off for the overnight use as well. So the art gallery, small meeting room, um, and you know, this whole wing here would be all, um, accessible in the evening. Um, and then the rest of the ground floor was really maintained as it was previously. Um, we have the friend storage back here, um, mechanical and facilities. Um, where it was previously as well. Um, are there any questions on this floor before we move up. Christine may I ask a question? Yes, please. So again, thank you. This is so exciting to see. So I want to just, um, Just ask a couple of questions. I want to have a pretty good idea of what that back entrance is going to look like. And, and I wonder what more you can say about that back, that back entrance. Is it going to be kind of like what is there now in terms of its appearance clearly kind of as a secondary. Um, entrance. That's number one, number two. To anticipate something that you probably have not even had a chance to look at, but I do want to just mention it here. Uh, public, we've, we've been really graced by a lot of public comments already. And as you know, incredibly well served by our outreach subcommittee. Um, one of the sets of concerns that I remember has to do with the Burnett at our gallery. Um, and I just want to. Just say out loud what some of those concerns were, as I remember them, Sharon might have them more at hand. One of them had to do with, um, It's kind of position and prominence and how people would find it. Um, so if I come in the back entrance. Is there going to be some signage or something that is going to direct me to the Burnett. Art gallery. And just to say out loud, of course, I assume almost everything here. I'm not so sure about the back. The back part. I don't see any, I don't see any windows. This is all below and one, I mean, not a surprise. One of the things that had been mentioned in public comment. I'm not saying this is what I want or what the committee should want, but I just want your reaction to it. Was the possibility that the Burnett gallery art gallery. I might quite like the location of it, but should be located in a way where it could get natural light. Um, so can you say something about the, um, the back entrance? How is it going to look and really it's going to look like a secondary entrance. And my third question has to do with bathrooms. Um, what is your current thinking? If you're there yet, you may not be there yet about. Gender inclusive bathrooms. And could you just. Point us to where the bathrooms are on this floor. Okay. Sorry, Justin, before you start, if I may interject. I'm going to pull up for a second. If I could screen share, we actually have a rendering from the original design, which I'm going to try to show you what it looked like in the proposal. Um, but let me try to see if I can help you. To see if you can just take over. Okay. I don't know if I've taken over. Can you see my screen? Yes. Okay. So this is the rendering we produced. Um, from the design and hasn't really changed. Um, And the area that you see with the kind of extended portico in the corner, which is sort of colored in white. This is in fact the entrance leading in from this rear. Um, and to your second question, Austin, it actually is not underground here because the great drop of the site occurs. You can see on the left hand image on the mass, that's actually the windows in that gallery. So in point of fact, this is all above great. Um, that's not true, Tony. I'm sorry to go back to the plan that the gallery is not there. Yep. Um, and we, Austin, you know, great eyes. We did move it. If you can go back to the plan. Sure. I'll stop sharing. But just say this, this back entrance. I think you want to keep our eyes on it in terms of what it looks like. This looks kind of. Quite nice to me, but others may have different. Others may have different views of it. Thank you, Tony, for showing it. Sure. I'll stop sharing. And that's helpful. One thing though, I wanted to, if just looking at the plan, it'll just take it just for the second to get it back up. Thank you. Um, and this is how I'm envisioning this, right? And folks can chime in so that you come into this lobby, we've made it a little bigger. And then to get to the art gallery, Austin, I envision that hallway. Thanks, Josephine for pointing it out. That being filled with art, right? I'm going to go back to the gallery. I'm going to go back to the art gallery and signage directing people to get back to the art gallery back in this corner. Tony, you're correct that we previously had it up. To have in windows. But with this new layout, we've moved it to the back. And what we're showing. Is a set of doors, but this could be expensive glass into the corridor. So we, we really do see this as the, you know, the art gallery with artwork funneling people back to the corner. Thank you. And the bathrooms. Go ahead, Josephine. Yeah. And, and so these plans just to add to what both Ellen and Tony said, these are somewhat right representational. So you're not seeing every glazed opening here. So there is, you know, light in a lot of these spaces, but. That aren't being shown here, but just to touch on the bathrooms, which maybe this could be a discussion we save more towards the end, we do have some images to show you, but the idea is that there's a couple of different approaches for gender inclusive bathrooms. And, and we can talk a little bit more about what those are. Towards the end of this, but the idea would be that. Depending on the route that we would take. If we're able to take. That these could potentially get a little bit larger if we need to, because we do have a space as you can see, we really enlarge the vestibule. And the, and the kitchen and co-claws that's our nice size at the moment, if we needed a little bit of more room for the rest rooms, it probably is feasible, but it's something that we would look at as we further develop the plan. Would you like for us to get more into the gender inclusive bathrooms at the moment, or do you want us to save that discussion? Austin, can we hold that part till when they're their presentation? Absolutely. Thank you so much. Right. Are there any other questions? Sharon. Yeah, I just wanted to say one thing. So the intent has always been, although final decisions haven't been made, but the civil war tablets are supposed to be in this core corridor, as you all were calling it, the Galleria. Yeah. So, so that's just something to keep in mind. Thank you. I do have one question looking at this ground floor and understanding that a lot of it is underground. And there'll be events and gatherings here. Just, I see the main back entrance there. Are there other emergency exits or how people could get out of there if they needed to? We have a stair that comes down at this level. That goes straight out. I'm not sure if you could see my cursor. So if they were having a gathering in the large room, you had talked about a gate or doors being locked potentially right outside of the special collections. How is there any other exit for that area? Just wondering. I mean, we can design it that this, the barrier between for the stair and the elevator will open during an emergency. So if, if there's an emergency, it opens and people are allowed to go up through the main stair and out the building. So we essentially have three options at this location, but that's a really good question. Yeah, thanks for the thoughts. Any other questions? Anyone? I don't, if you want to move on to your first floor. Great. So. So a lot of this, the main pieces here really stayed where they were. What we did was sort of finesse a lot of the areas. And with that, again, the collection update really helped us sort of refine some of the boundaries of these spaces. And so just walking through the main space at the moment, you'll see that we did rejigger some of the core elements here. And we were able to introduce a larger gathering area in this main central space. And, and some of that had to do with just the, the rethink recalculating some of the children's area. And so I think we have a much more generous, more generous layout for this main central gathering space. Now we did sort of tuck the, the toilet core away from that. Eating area as, as was requested. And, and, and with that, there were some site line requests that NBLC had asked for from the circulation desk, which we had worked on. And one of those was just having more connection to be an adult. And so we did rejigger some of that. Program element as well by shifting the office and we do have a more generous work room now in the YA as well. And some of that can be potentially broken up to that maker space that was requested. And, and I think the space grew a little bit as well. So we have a little bit more square footage that we, that we were able to play with for the young adult. And just being one, I just wanted to chime in is, so Sharon gave us some updated figures for the collection, which has reduced and allowed us to have more seating and more flow for people, which is really exciting. Yeah, because that is an important element and one that I think everyone's battling these days. So, so that, that really did help with the layout of the spaces. And so, and with that, of course, that brings us to, to the youth program. And you can see here, it feels a little bit more open because of what Ellen just mentioned about the collections, which is great. We shifted the activities room to the new back and back area here. And we think that this works a lot better for the, you know, just in general for an activity room. And we still have it closed off, but we can, you know, get into the details as we move forward with, with designing the space. Any questions so far. I just want to comment. One of the big things, I know it comes from Sharon and her staff and also MBLC is sightlines and security in the way that we have this configured now, we feel as though we're covering that, but we would certainly encourage anybody if they have any thoughts on that, you know, we are all ears. The way we have the front Cirque desk has direct sightlines to the entry into the vertical stair that connects everything. So we think we have it pretty good. But again, if anybody has thoughts, please share them with us. If not today, as we go through this, we'll, that's top priority for us. Great. One of those sightline ships was the borrower office, which we did shift here. I see Sharon nodding her head. So we do have sight, you know, a sightline to the adult collection as well here now. Could I ask a question, Christine? Yes, please. So, again, thank you. This looks, this looks really wonderful. So the library, I want you to now think about the entrance, which is to the south of the main entrance. So there's a main entrance and then there's the kind of entrance to the south at the front of the building. And I wonder if you could talk a little bit about that. And how that's going to, is it going to be preserved? How's it going to work? I thought of it in terms of sightlines, you know, it's one of the interesting quirks of the Jones library building. If you go in that side door, you have no idea, you know, where you are and kind of where you're going. So I wonder if you could talk about that, that, that entrance. So at the moment with this new layout, it's really. Yeah, it's sort of like a couple of key elements. So we've got the main entry here. We do have an entry here at the, the youth, but then this area is just the staff entry. Okay. So it will not be for public people will not be able and fabulous. Thank you so much. Right. And I think the children that the doors to the exterior in the children's room can be what you want it to be. It can be just a way to get outside for an event. It can be used as an entrance in not used as an entrance. It can be used as an entrance if you decide to do that, but we, we don't encourage that because we really feel it. There should be one entrance, but it's your library and your community. So however you see fit. But we do have that option. I have a question that. Well, both of those are all three of those. Okay. So, I think we're going to be able to do that. Be handicapped, accessible. Or have a ramp. How are they going to, I know there's a height difference of a couple of steps on the front. Yes. We are showing a ramp at that location. At the moment. So currently they. They are. Right. And Christine, we, the, what we're trying to do at the front entrance is create, working with the landscape folks. So it's, you know, it's not a ramp. It's a little bit more graceful, but essentially it's a ramp, but you won't, we do it in such a way that you don't need railings and all that stuff. It's really in tune with the landscape. Sounds great. So the one in the children is that flush or the same thing over there. That's flush. I think that when we have to chat, we're challenged as the staff and we'll work that through. To make that accessible as well. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. It also pointed out that the automated book sort of location has been placed towards the front entrance. The question is going to come at, do we allow the access to that book sort of in that vestibule? In other words, you go to the door and drop versus outside of it. Those are, those are details because we've done it and has been handled both ways. But guess this is a historic building. Tennessee probably will be to have to figure out how to get, you know, how to get access to the system when they come to the library. Right. And that's, we talked to Sharon about that a little bit, Tony, is that the, I think Sharon, correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't there one at the street. A book drop. There, there is. It will need, it will need. To be replaced. But so as people, people are still going to come up to the building. Whether it's opened or closed. I mean, ideally. If we could somehow have a hole in the exterior of that wall. That would be the ideal. Okay. That makes sense. We'll, we'll, we'll sort that through. I mean, there's a window there now, right? Could that window be turned into. Yeah, we can return. We can look at maybe a portion of the window. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But you still want one at the curb. Yeah, I think we're going to need one. I think that's true of all libraries, to be honest. Yeah. Any other questions. I'm not seeing any hands. Justine, do you want to start out and just telling us what the different colors, what group it is. Oh, sure. Give me a second to level to you. Okay. So the main color you see here is purple, which is the adult collection. That involves pretty much a good chunk of the, of the second floor. But the new color that we introduced here was the salmon color, which is ESL. It's just taking a second to regenerate. Slowly. There's a lot of stuff in there. It's a lot of bookshelves. So yeah. So now you can see all the furnishings. So yes, the new, the new area here that we introduced is ESL on this southwest corner. Of the building, but the deeper purple was basically the, you know, administrative staff area and then. And then most of it is again, the adult collection. We do have the reading room at the front of the original building. A couple of quiet study spaces as we had previously. And then this main quarter that connects the original building to the new wing. And, and with that, again, most of the new wing is the adult collections. But let's just focus in a little bit here on. The ESL, since this is the new piece. And most of the changes on this floor. So we did bring this up from ground level, as you recall. And the idea here is that we would be able to squeeze in a couple of group session rooms into the original building. And we were able to get in these two rooms with the roof lines that we have, which works great. And so this is in the original building footprint. What we did is bring the tutor rooms into the new part of the the addition. So all of this would be at the same level. So the tutor rooms and the group session rooms will contain the same level to floor slab. And then of course, as you recall, we do have a couple of steps that bring you up to the rest of the adult collection here. So the idea is to keep the ESL in this. In this corner of level two, and so they can maintain the proximity and, and have the coordinator. Also have sight lines, assuming that these are basically the walls that, that enclose these spaces. So, you know, they would have the proximity and sight lines. With that, we understand that, you know, there is that level change here, but we think there's an opportunity to have maybe clear story or frosted glazing on this, on this side here too. So there is some sight lines that can happen in between the tutor room and the adult collection, which would be fun. And we were able to also introduce an additional quiet study space in this original footprint here, which is in this corner. We're still, you know, sort of studying and testing to see the best layout, but at the moment it seems like this will work for a small group study, maybe a two person group study room. And this is because we did move some of these elements. We understand the period of periodical storage is probably going to change, but it's still shown as that. But what we did do is bring one of the offices up here to the adult collection area. And it's the head of information. And so we tucked a couple of spaces back here because we wanted to have the footprint for it. So we added a quiet study and the head of information in this corner, which we think will create an interesting space and again, more sight lines for that, you know, that North nonfiction section. And Sharon didn't see that just when we slipped that in, so to speak, the additional quiet study and that can go or stay, but we thought it fit pretty well into the space. My only concern is where is the head of the IT person, the IT's office? He used to be down here where the periodical storage is. That was the head of information, this room here. Yeah, so, yeah, head of technology, he needs an office and a storage space for all the computers that he's working on. So it used to be located where those periodical storage. What's the best adjacency for that office? It doesn't really matter. It would be great for it to be on this floor. Okay. The office that we relocated just finished called the, what is that again? It's the head of information. And is that different from the technology guy? Yeah, so head of information services is the reference librarian. Okay. All right, so we'll give him a space. Okay. And if you have to get rid of a group study room, then. Okay. Staff are in favor of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have a similar setup in our office. Yeah. Christine, may I ask a question? Yes, please. So again, this is really, really terrific. I remain concerned about the. Step up. Issue. And how that's going to work. We've been talking about it for a very long time. I don't have anything to say except I remain concerned about it in terms of if I'm, you know, if I'm in a wheelchair, I've got to go from one level to another. If I understand this through that elevator. It just doesn't seem to me again, I don't have a solution for you, but it doesn't seem to me to be. Quite friendly to a universal design, so to speak. Maybe there's no way to solve it. My other question again, emerges from the comments that you'll have a chance to look at even more. And that has to do with the ESL. So if I'm an ESL person. I don't have a solution for you, but it doesn't seem to me to be. Quite friendly to a universal design, so to speak. So if I'm an ESL person. And I'm waiting to meet a tutor. Where do I wait? I mean, some of the public comments, you know, it was like they wanted a kind of living room area or something like that. I'm not sure that's what we need. But, and then my last question involves the beautiful. Existing stairway. So I come up that stairway, as I understand it, fabulous. And I come around and. What's there? I mean, it looks like just a big empty area right there. Kind of. What do you call it? Landing area or, I mean. What is there and what will the signage be to tell me where I need to go if I need to go back into the. Collection. It's a good question. And. I'm not sure if there's any intended. Artwork to be hung. We certainly could have signage. It's something that will evolve as we, as we, you know, develop for sure. And it could be a bench or a seat, you know, just that could be used for reading, but throughout the entire library. So I'm not sure that we're going to be able to do that. So. Austin, we'll have way finding signage. So people are not left high and dry on where to go. And that's part of the, as we go through the design. That's something that will be mindful of that. We really need direct to direct folks around the library. I think that the reason, I mean, the, the stairway is so fabulous. I think a lot of people are going to use it. And I think it's a good idea. And especially they've abituated themselves to they want to go upstairs. And. I'm just trying to imagine myself coming up from those stairs and I want to go back to the back of the building. And I've got to go through some little hallway there and then. Go through the BSL kind of waiting area. If that's that. And then up a couple of stairs. So it is what it is. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. I think we want to be aware of the likelihood that for many people, this is going to be. This is. This is going to be, they're going to go up those stairs. I think you're raising a really interesting question. Awesome. To the earlier one about the accessibility issue vis-a-vis the stepped up. The challenge as you, as you probably well know, is that in order to create the sufficient ceiling height. And this is this portion, of course, of each of these steps. And again, it's not just about the step board. It's just. You know, Inside the tall areas, we have to elevate a few steps up. Otherwise the ceiling, I gets really compressed and it's not going to feel. Well, One thought. It's not going to handle the accessibility ramp question. Cause we don't have enough space for that, but. I'm just spinning a lot of here. So you see where the steps are right now, next to the elevator, those three steps that go up. To answer in the different kind of question. When you come up the beautiful historic stair, then lead through, I might suggest a thought. Is to shift those steps. they're currently those are a couple of lounge seating elements are and put it directly there because it will be a much more direct connection. So you don't have to turn right and then go up to allow better flow at least into this upper section. So it's going to feel more open and inviting. But also to Austin's question about, you know, accessibility. So three steps in this steps are approximately seven inches each. So that's 21 inches vertically, approximately that we're changing. So to do a ramp of that, you're talking 21 foot ramp. We can explore that. I mean, I think you would wrap it around maybe the back of the the ESL quiet studies. Yes, just being perfect. That's where it would go. And we can look at that Austin and see if you if it's a better setup for the library. We're happy to do that. Yeah. And I appreciate it. And don't I don't have a solution. I just do one of our goals is to as much as possible use principles of universal design. Ramp is one way, but it's not again, sort of the principle of universal design. It's the principle of kind of retrofitting something into a into a space. But I think you we're going to have composite, we're likely to continue to have conversation about this. So I just want to flag it for you. Yeah. And when we have the opportunity to do a new library, we don't have this issue. It's the it's it's joining the old and the new. And that's that's we're with you on that Austin, we will continue to push that and come up with a nice solution. I am I like Austin when he brought up the point about the old staircase from the front and you walk up. I think right now you walk up and turn left. But now you'll walk up and turn right. And it's for people unfamiliar with the library, you do kind of dump into this little bit of a tight zone. And I know you'll have signage, but I like that idea of possibly moving those three steps a little bit to the West. Yeah, because then you'd see them. But I know you're talking about the ramp too. And it's hard to fit everything, but I did like that idea. We'll see what we can do to make it feel as generous as inviting as possible and to reduce the feeling of barriers. And to Austin's point, inclusiveness absolutely is really critical. So we'll do what we can to address that. Thank you. Are there any other questions on this floor? I'm not seeing any hands. Which brings us through the changes. I guess what I can do here is not sure why it's taking so long. Yeah, no. Strange. Yeah. Yeah. So this floor maintained, it's, you know, same program and in square footage and spaces. So nothing has changed at the top floor here, which is the board room and the staff break room. So there's the existing stair just in and we have another stair for egress. So we have two stairs coming up here. And that pretty much takes us through the plans. And so we can either just check back in if there's any final questions or talk about the gender inclusive restaurant. Yeah. However you'd like. Sharon, I see your hands up. Yeah, I just want to say and poor Ellen and Josephine and Tony have heard me say this multiple times. So, you know, all along this process, I've said to staff, hey guys, this is going to be awesome when it's done so much better. But there is probably going to be at least one thing that drives all of you insane. There's going to be something that just doesn't click. For me, it's maintaining that front original elevator. So I, you know, this meeting's being recorded. I just want people to hear me say it one last time. Maybe I ideally that elevator would would go away. There would just be one elevator in the building. I do understand what it means design wise, you know, making the new elevator and staircase come up to this top level. I understand what that means design wise, and possibly cost wise, but I think long term having to maintain two elevators is not great. Thank you. No, and Sharon, we talked about this again in our office just yesterday, right, because we totally understand two elevators to maintain them over time is cost. There's no question and the one the existing one is not the best size either. So that it's a trade off and it's something that you know we should discuss here as a group is to demo the existing elevator is cost and then to extend the new one up and make connector over is cost. But long term, it will even out right because you're going to be paying more maintenance for two elevators than one. So it's, and I know Tony has, I don't know if you have that handy, Tony, but it's the once we bring that that elevator up, it is quite bulky on the exterior. I think it's a really valid point you're raising Sharon for all the reasons that you said and Alan has reiterated. I think we have to really study this very carefully. And aside from the cost issues, I think from an architectural massing standpoint, and I don't think we have to get into this right now right here, but when we when we look at that or can look at that, there definitely is going to be impact in terms of its visibility from the front at some point, exerting a stair elevator extending up, we're going to have something that's going to pop up behind the historic building or on top of the historic building that's going to be more prominent. It could draw more attention to the architectural look of the building because it's going to literally pop up. And we have to run, you know, the elevator higher course with it because we're extending that level. Anyways, I don't want to kibosh it, we can certainly study this some more Sharon, but there are a number of factors that come into play as a result of this consideration. And I think I, Tony, I'd like to get, you know, just some comments from the from the committee on how they view this, you know, is just some thoughts of if that's something that we should pursue knowing the, you know, additional costs, but long term, better for the library. How soon would this decision have to be made? Pretty soon. But we're flexible, Christine. I mean, you know, you can certainly think about it at the next meeting, maybe just give us your thoughts. And in the meantime, we can send over some of the images that we have from our previous study that shows you this, what it looks like from the exterior. Would that be fair, give you guys some time to think about it? Sounds good. Austin, do you think we should just wait? Well, when is the next meeting? For us, we don't have one on the 10th. We do have one for another round of comments on the 16th. So I guess the soonest we could do is the 16th, or should we take this straight to the whole building committee for the talk on the elevator? I think it should be raised with the building committee. I want to hear from George first. Yeah, I'll say George is it on the elevator, is it on a new topic? It's a new topic. That's what I thought. Do you mind waiting for a moment? I don't mind waiting. Thank you. So Austin, just to finish up with the elevator, do you want that to move on to your next meeting or should we keep it in design for the 16th? I think we know that this is going to be an issue. I think we should flag it for the whole committee so that everybody's on board with this. My own tentative view to be subject to just being told I'm wrong is I think we don't want to have these two elevators. But I can't say that without knowing what the cost, you know, relative costs are. But I think it might not be a great thing to have these two elevators, especially given that the one of them that we've been living with is always remarked upon as one of the not greatest features of the current library. But we would need to know about cost and other design implications. So, Ellen, when you come back to us, can you bring us some pros and cons? I think you know that in general the questions we're going to ask and of course demo costs are probably one thing that we're wondering. Yeah. And we can work with Craig and come up with the pros and cons and some just ballpark costs for sure. We can do that. That'll help everybody. Okay. So, Austin, you want to do that at the next, is that the 7th? June 7th, that meeting? As soon as we, this is, I take it a major design element. Yes. As soon as we can make sure everybody on the building committee knows what's going on, I think that would be very, very helpful. And I just would like the building, the whole building committee to have a chance to hear Sharon and others about this elevator question, because it does seem like you really are going to need to know about this elevator. So, give us the information and let's have the whole committee weigh in if that's okay. So, on the 7th, Josephine, could you roll back down to like the first or second floor and just point out where these two elevators are for the public? Anyone watching this? They see what we're saying and just say the old and the new. So, this is level one and this is the new elevator here. And this is the original elevator location. Okay. And that's the one that is in debate. Do you take it, demo it? And would you still build it in the new proposed or is that about? Yes, the new location will remain here. And that's actually where the issue was if we just go up back to the top floor where we were. You can see here that that new elevator doesn't come up to this level at the moment, but we do want to make this level accessible. It has to be. So, in order to do so, yes, it has to be. So, in order to do so, we would bring the new elevator up, but what that introduces here and we'll show you at the next. Well, Josephine, do we have that handy, that old plan? I know Steve may have, we looked at it yesterday. Yeah, Steve was pulling up some images yesterday. Do you have that available? Let me drop those in our meeting folder. I'll get those behind the scenes right now. Okay. And we'll talk about the bathrooms and maybe come back to this. Give Steve a minute to find that. Okay, well, I'm going to flip to George. He's had his hand up for a long time. So, George, you had a question. It's virtual. It doesn't hurt to hold on my hand. You just, it looked tired. This is just a general comment. It's not for any specific area. And it may be a little premature, but I wanted to make sure it's on everybody's radar. We have 11 pieces of art that have been restored using public funds that will need to be on public display. So, moving forward, we'll have to think about wall space. Now, most of them are, you know, your typical normal sizes, but we do have that Grillo painting, which currently takes place in the fiction room, which is to become the teen space. And the wall that it is on will no longer exist. So, just moving forward, we have to be mindful of those pieces that they will have to be on display in some publicly accessible area. And the other piece I wanted to just briefly mention was the Whipple window, which is currently in special collections. It's that crescent shaped window that will also have to be incorporated somewhere that can be publicly seen. George, do you have an inventory of these that includes the size of each piece? We do. And I could probably get that to you before I go on vacation. Oh, great. Okay. That would be helpful. Yeah, I'm not certain if I have the dimensions of the Grillo piece, but I could get that for you. Okay. That would be great. Okay. Any other questions on this so far? I'm not seeing any hands. Okay. So, Ellen, you can decide if you want to start. Josephine, do you have, I know Steve put them in a folder. Could we share that what we had previously? Or how do you want to do it? Yeah, it's in that same folder, Josephine. And I don't know. And you know, we should have said this in the beginning. I don't know if you guys were introduced to Steve. Steve is a new team member of ours. I know Sharon met him earlier and Craig has have met him. So, Steve is our partner in crime moving forward. Welcome, Steve. Thanks. Nice to meet you all. So, Josephine, can you access that or? I can. Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out which image to open up. So, yeah, I included the plans from 2016, which may be helpful, may not be. And then I included a number of screenshots from the model we had back in 2016 to show the bridge and the impact they would have on level one. So, part of our challenge is everybody knows is we have this wonderful historic building and we have to deal with mass historic and go through that process, which we're used to doing. We do that often on the buildings we work on. So, if I remember correctly, we talked about this in 2016. I don't know all the details, but we moved away from it because I think of the bulk of what it did to the building. But with that said, it's something we should really get everybody in agreement on moving forward. So, this is sort of a plan at that same top level that we were looking at where the board room and staff are. So, herein lies the issue is that the elevator connection removes the stair location that we had. So, we had to introduce a new stair here to have two means out of the space. Of course, a code report is being done. We'll have more information as this is all evolving and to understand what we need for egress at this level with the capacity. But here we'll get some 3D images up I think next. But this is probably what we were looking at previously when we had the elevator come up here. It is invasive to the existing building. But we will provide you with pros and cons of both. I just, since we have this, we were talking about it in the house yesterday. I thought it would be helpful to share. Yeah, and I think the other important thing when we do this for you is we're going to have to generate 3D views because you can see the stair. The elevator is one thing, but this continuation of the stair to connect for the second means of egress, the stair C is definitely going to become visible. It's a pretty big element behind the historic part of the library. So, we don't need to talk about how to resolve this right now. We'll come back to you, but this is one of those design historic issues that Ellen pointed out. Definitely, because it's going to be very visible. And yeah, I think what we'll do too is pull some of the exterior shots that we're viewing internally a few years back, just to show you the impacts from the exterior where you actually will see these elements from. That would be really helpful. Okay, all right. So, we'll send this on with the 3D images to you guys. I just wanted you to understand what the footprint was. Yeah. So, bathrooms, Josephine? Yeah, bathrooms. So, just to circle back to where we were, we have been talking to our code consultant, and he did note that if we wanted to pursue, it would be a variance to get to a gender inclusive situation. They don't always get approved, but he is going to start talking to the state inspector to see what the chances are of that, if it were to go through what the possibility might be. And so, we thought we just would sort of talk through with you the different options of what that would mean for gender inclusive bathroom, because there's so many different types. And so, some of them don't change the layout all that much, and some actually change it quite a bit. So, what we did was just pull a couple of images together of more of an aggressive layout. They don't necessarily need to go this route, but I don't know if you can see that well. But this is one of, yes, the more aggressive layouts where basically it's just a joined bathroom, and you have closed stalls, and then a sink layout that is being used by everyone. So, this sort of grows the footprint probably a little bit of the restroom and might be a little more on the expensive side of the three types that exist. But this is, if a variance were to be approved, this is definitely one of those options that don't exist in the plumbing code right now, if you are supposed, if you went and looked up what the counts would be for what would be required. Right, and just the current plumbing code hasn't caught up with where we are today in our real lives, right? So, that's a lag. So, the plumbing code now requires, it's based on the occupancy of the building, and it tends to have more fixtures in the woman's room than the men's room. And then the men's rooms, they have to have urinals. So, it's going to throw the, you know, it's going to totally change that when they adopt this gender neutral bathroom. So, I think that by the time we get through this, I'm sure it's going to be all settled. But to get us through it, we may, we will have to go for a variance. We also do work at college and universities, and they're also on the same page as you guys are gender neutral, neutral bathroom. So, the tide is turning on that. So, we're hoping it's an easier avenue, but we will at the moment we'll have to get a variance. Is there anything in the meantime that we can do as Massachusetts voters to help move this along? I certainly would call your local rep. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. That can't hurt. They do, they do have some influence. And our consultant did mention that the more variances they see, the more hopefully this will push them. I'm not seeing any hands up, but so looking at the example you've given here, you said the more aggressive, like this looks very much like what's being built on the UMass campus like in their student union. But they have a much more narrow demographic than what our library will have. So, I'm wondering about like security and just library, librarians are building observation. You know, these doors go from ceiling to floor. And how do you monitor like how long someone's been in there for hours or if they're sick, you know, because we're used to the stalls that have less privacy. But you can see what's going on. We could do those as well, Christina. This was just an example. I mean, that's a really good point. We know, you know, from our library work, the bathrooms can be a place that people do go and they're not monitored. And that's why one library we did, they didn't want any single stall bathrooms because it was just too risky. But we can we can do it that the doors don't go to floor to ceiling that they're open at the bottom. We, you know, there's flexibility in that. Good, good. It's a very, very important topical issue, which is being raised here. And of course, there's many things, a lot of research and still ongoing, swirling around it. And you write the balance between security, privacy, you know, once you do this step, and I think that's why the tendency has been the full height doors, in particular, in part of concern for privacy that wears counter to the thing you're just raising, seeing as far as monitoring. So there's, there's going to be quite a bit of debate about that. I don't think there's actually a clear answer on this issue, because it is relatively new coming into a lot of public places. And I think people are still feeling this out. So there's still a lot of research, a lot of things that are certainly moving in this way. But I think there's a lot of things are still emerging. Good. And I think that college and universities are driving a lot of it. But as you said, Christine, that's a narrow demographic. That's an excellent point. Any other questions from the group here on this? And just to clarify, what floor are we talking about this on all the floors? And then do we still have, I call them the family bathrooms or the individual rooms that, and where would the like infant changing tables be? So that, of course, would be if, you know, we went this route, it could go a couple different ways. So you'd have the public restrooms that might be set up this way, pending space requirements too. We do have the most footprint for toilets at that ground level because of the meeting rooms. But the level one bathrooms would remain the same because those are individual stalls. And so those would just remain as unisex toilet. Can we show the plan, just for those who aren't, maybe the public is not following. So the bulk of the occupancy for large gatherings is on the lower level. Do you want to bring that up, Josephine? Yeah. And that would get the multi-stall toilet rooms. And then throughout, we have other single stalls sprinkled throughout the building. This would be your, you know, your biggest impact here at the ground level. I think as a follow-up to that discussion, this whole discussion, as Josephine pointed out, this gender-neutral bathroom is going to take up more area. So it might impact, for example, you can see right here, this is the conventional bathroom configuration of men and women. If it ends up growing, some things may have to give to offset that growth. We'd have to test this, but I'm just already looking at the plan right now, you can see what Josephine pulled up previously. You know, those are definitely wider and they're bigger. So anyway, these are things that we have to get into in terms of code and all of that impact of what it really means. Can I ask, so Austin, you're not on my screen anymore. I don't, so I could be talking to nobody at this point, but do you think we should bring this to the full JLBC as well to have a discussion, to see how strongly everybody feels? Yeah. I think it's another issue that's going to impact, is that a verb? It's going to influence the design and I think the more people have a chance to weigh in early on, the better we will be. Absolutely. Thank you. So Ellen, what is the timeframe on making, you know, the elevator I can see is very needs to be decided real quick. Should we do the bathrooms at the same meeting or can that? I think I would like to, I honestly would like to get a read from the larger group where they're heading. Because this is so important and we need to get it right. And I, you know, just I've been mindful as I was traveling in the last month and just how people are handling it. Some people are just taking the names off the bathrooms and you can use whatever one you want and everything else remains the same. Not that saying that's how we're going to do it because we are building new. But I think we, I'd really like to get a read from your larger group and how they're seeing this. And we noted that the layouts we showed are the more aggressive types, but there are restrooms as Ellen just mentioned that folks are just setting them up the same way and go into whichever one you like. And then there are some where there are just no urinals and it's just toilet stalls. But it's set up just as you would be viewing this plan right now, it's the same type of setup. So that last sheet that we were looking at is definitely just a newer way of that people are handling gender neutral stalls and, and as we noted just the more aggressive approach because it will change the footprint a little bit. Josephine, do you, I know you showed us the aggressive an example of the aggressive one. Do you have pictures of the other choices as well? We don't, but it would be very similar to a typical layout because it would just be toilet stalls and or your choice of urinals. Yes. So. Okay. Well, great. All right. So Austin, that will also go on the August 7th agenda. June. You don't mean August because I mean June. You're wishing our summer away. There you go. Thank you. August 7th meeting, the full Jones Library Building Committee. Okay. So we have, is there, are there any other questions on the everything they presented today or comments or suggestions? I'm not seeing any hands. This all looks really great. You're working all these little puzzle pieces trying to check off all the boxes and I appreciate that. So we will see you at the June 7th. I'm thinking I have two administrative things still on the agenda that FAA doesn't need to be here for. I'm thinking I'm going to, if if it's all right with the rest of the group, I wanted to move to item A public comment at this point because my guess is if there are questions in that group, it might, it's good to have FAA. So yeah, if that's all right with everyone, we're fine with staying on Christine, tell everyone you need us. You sure? Yes. Yeah. Oh, I hate to. All right. Well, these next two things won't be very long. So at that point, I'll move on to item five, public comment evaluation part two planning. Craig, I do believe that you were going to go through the remaining list and send our group like around two of comments to go through on the 16th. Yes. And I just wrapped that up yesterday. So I will send that out this morning. I gave Sharon a sneak peek, but I will share it with the full design committee by email right after this meeting. Right. And did FAA get the round one spreadsheet? Yes. Yes. You get great, wonderful. Okay. So we will watch for that. I'm not used to with your glasses. I'm like, this is the funny thing that I'm like, oh, he's wearing glasses today. Yeah. Once a week, I get my eyeballs arrest. Take out the contacts. And are there any questions from the group on that? On moving on to the next part two, phase two. All right. Great. Now, item six is possible outreach tools. I just wanted to give a heads up. And Alex was in the yep, she's still there. And I can watch see if her hand comes up. But we met with a couple of guys from UMass students who are working on two different tools. One is called the small town tool, which the outreach group is planning to use, which is more sort of like a social media thing where you can post things and polls and you can control then the comments are monitored and they would make sure that it's being run cleanly. So that's a tool they might be using and we could send something maybe like we got these schematics if we thought of a way that we wanted to or maybe after the meeting on the seventh gender inclusivity, that kind of question, we could post something on that tool and ask specific questions for people to weigh in and get some feedback. The second one is called community click. And it's sort of like a virtual tool that would run in the background of like this meeting we're having right now. So we could either pause and ask questions and then there is a little bit of a technical ability there. You have to have the app and a learning tool for not everyone would be able to handle this. But this is the way the world is evolving and we're all trying to learn the new tech tricks. So that's something that outreach might come to us and ask at one of our future meetings if we would be willing to utilize this tool and collect data as sort of live as we go through it in the meetings to get feeling. So I know it's kind of hard to, they had like, they could actually slightly demo it for us. So it was much more visual for us to understand. But if there's any questions, I'll try to answer them. And Alex is also there when we switch, she can answer any questions about them. And if they're thinking of how soon to use them. Any questions on that? Okay, so at that point, the next one is, I don't have anything 48 hours in advance, and I'll go to public comment. So we did have seven people in there earlier. Now we have four. So I see the four. And I see one hand up, any other hands? Okay. And since we don't have Angela, is someone allowing hello Lord to come in? Yep. Talking permitted. Hello, welcome. Hello, thank you. I'm just here as a representative of Mindy Dome and I wanted to let you all know that a year ago, she presented a bill for gender inclusive gender neutral bathrooms. And as of last month, it's been referred to House of Ways and Means. So it's moving forward. And thank you for talking about it. And have a good day. Great. Thank you for telling us that. It's good to know. Any other questions? I don't see any other hands up. Okay. So our next meeting, not August, June 10th, we have a field trip and we will be around the, some of us will be going to public library of Hoover and Medford to see their new facility. And then on the 16th, we're going to do June 16th, the second round of evaluating comments from the public. And then our next regular meeting will be June 24th. So I'm not sure when FAA, when you're thinking you'll want to come back for, where, you know, Craig, can you pull up our little calendar thing again? Absolutely. Where we're at, because unbelievably that's June 24th. What date is the end of Schematic Side? And I know actually Alex is out there, there's a bunch of outreach events that are coming up too. So there will be, the 24th might be evaluating more comments also, like around three. I think we want to, Christine, what we haven't done and we need to do is talk about the exterior materials. And I think we would like to do that sooner than later. And we can work that, you know, around your schedule for sure. But we need to get something, some, we'd like feedback from you, your group. So we include that in the schematic design. Would the 24th be okay? Or is that too late? Where are we? We'll be a little late for us to squeeze it into our SD package. Okay. So how about the 16th? Or do you need to be even sooner than that? Which probably means having a meeting next week. I think we probably need one. I hate to tell you guys up on two Friday mornings. So that would be Friday, June 3rd. I think, Georgia, you're on vacation? Yes, I'm on vacation from the 31st through the 8th. But I also don't want to hold up the process. I could probably, I don't know, I don't know if I'm permitted to give my vote virtually or not. You should totally zoom from wherever it is that you're going on vacation. Make us jealous. From Cinderella's castle. So can you guys give us examples of what we're talking about like soon? That way we can all be looking at it. And then maybe George, if you can give it to us before he leaves, then he can give his input before he leaves. And then we can meet on the 3rd. So for the 3rd, I'm happy to meet, I have a meeting, previously scheduled meeting that begins at 9.30. So I'm sorry to anticipate this. We'd have to either meet earlier some of the time. Sorry. Could we, could we do 8.30? Is that too early? Yeah, I think that works for us, right? We're kind of early birds. And that'll just be on the exterior materials? Yeah. Okay. And we can get you what we have currently, right? Ahead of time, Sharon. I think that's a good point. And you guys can think about it. Awesome. And can it, yeah, can it be like what it looks like as well as cost? Exactly. Yes, we can work with Craig to figure that out. Okay. Or at least knowing most expensive, least expensive. That's what I'm thinking, Christine, would be, would be possible in the timeframe. Yeah. Christine, if I just may, first of all, thank you, Ellen and FAA. But I want to make sure that you drive us, not us drive you. So if there are things that you need at any time from the design subcommittee, outreach from the whole building committee, we want to be, we want to be on your schedule as much as possible. So don't be shy about saying actually, Friday the third is too late. I need you to meet on it sooner than that. Or at any time, Christine, sorry to do that. But I do think that as a general principle, your schedule should drive ours, not the reverse. Okay. No, that's great. And yes, so I think the third should be fine. It gives us a little bit of time to pull some things together for you. But yes, thank you, Austin. That's helpful for us to be driving the schedule. So building on that, so the six theory is just, what is the next thing that you see coming up that you're going to need before the end of this schematic design phase? What do you think, Justine? Justine, I think you mean, oh, you're thinking, oh, yeah, in my head, in my head, I think we've made great progress working with Sharon, getting the floor plans where we need them. So we're pretty close on that. So with the stairs next to that, that's mostly it, right? Because we've been at this for a while with you guys. Yeah, I think we internally will be some refinements, you know, maybe just a touch base with Sharon on some of those refinements of collections, etc. Right. Yeah. And I don't know, Steve and Tony, if you have any thoughts of something that we're the elevators big, but we're we've got that scheduled. But I think if we meet on the seventh on that, that's fish and time. Do you think, Justine? Yeah, the seventh for the bathrooms in the elevator. Yeah, the elevator. What about as time is ticking and I, Craig, what is the end date of this that we have? Is it July 9? So the, let me see here. Because my thinking is I know there were some steps about historical stuff in there. And I didn't know if there's anything we need to weigh in our firm to prepare for that too. So according to my schedule, we want to have the design, the schematic design package wrapped up by the end of June, so that we can put it out for cost estimating. And then we have a, I think a three week window for that two week window for the actual cost estimating. So that that's what we're aiming for now is is getting buying gold Alexander all the information they need in the next couple of weeks so that they can buy things like June 27th ish have their final schematic design package. Right. And I think, Christine, at that point, we would start to talk to mass historic and it's the elevator. That's why the elevator is location or not location. The leading one and extending one is is key, but at the, we'll have so what the schematic package will be perfect to start talking to mass historic. So, Craig, when would the building committee as a whole vote on the schematic design? Like, say, yep, this is it. This is what we're gonna do you want to share your screen, Craig, so we can all see the schedule. Here we go. So this, so the end of schematic design is when we would have that vote to sort of move on to to accept the design as it stands. And it's, you know, relative cost, and then move into the next phase design development. And so that's currently at the end of July. Christine, one of the things which that we're going to discuss the schematics continuously in the of building committee, in other words, we're going to be talking about them from this point going forward. So, and we're going to be getting other comments from the public. And what the does what the building committee talks about will relate to FAA so that one hopes that by the time we get to the end of the process, there are no surprises, obviously. Everybody has seen them. Everybody knows everybody's hurt been been hurt. So we just got so I'm just looking at the calendar. So I want to make sure there's enough time to I was just making sure that nothing else needs to be put through the design subcommittee that then has to go to the larger group because I think the best thing to do at this point is to have Craig work with Sharon and just kind of review the dates of all the meetings. And then Sharon Craig, the next time that we're together can say this, this, this is what's going to happen and kind of lay out a kind of micro schedule of the kind that Craig is produced. But that way, we don't have to, you know, we're not speculating. So just come up with this kind of micro schedule. This needs to happen. It's got to go to the design committee. Okay, that would be, I think, helpful. I'm also unclear exactly what moments have to happen and for different historical groups, because I assume that before things go to them, it has to go through the, you know, the building committee. So I want to make sure there's enough time to get all that properly discussed. So if Craig and Sharon are willing and they can discuss with you, obviously, as chair of the committee, let's produce that micro schedule and share it with Christine. That would be great. Craig, good. Yes, can do. Thank you. And I'll be relying on Fangle Alexander for a lot of that historical process, but we've already begun sort of that discussion. So I'll touch base with them as well. Yeah, and Craig, if you could look up what for the local group and see when they meet, and, you know, we'll look at their schedule and we'll have to get on one of their agendas. Yeah, and I know with summer, sometimes those groups meet last, so that would be important to find out. And for mass historic, we're able to have a meeting with a staff person rather than a bigger group. So I don't know if Amherst has a similar setup, but if you could find that out, that would be great. We'll work with you, Craig. We talked to Craig all the time. We'll work it through. Excellent. All right. So at this point, we will next meet next Friday at 8.30 instead of 9. And then we have the whole building committee meeting on the 7th, Tuesday. And then we have the field trips on the 8th and the 10th. So we got a busy couple of weeks coming up. Just for my clarification on the 7th, that bigger group, what time is that meeting? That's 4.30. 4.30. 4.30. Thank you. Great. All right. So we'll watch for lots of stuff coming from FAA and Craig. Thank you all. Are there any other last questions or anything? Or we'll adjourn the meeting? Good. I see nothing. Great. All right. Thank you all for your hard work. Everything looks great. And I appreciate you all. Thank you. Have a great Memorial Day weekend. Yeah. Have a good one. Yeah. Have a good one. Join us on the summer. Yeah. Thank you. All right, Julie. Thank you. Nice to meet you, Steve.