 If I tell you that there is a person who's devoted their whole life to memorizing the Qur'an and they spend hours and hours and they memorize the whole Qur'an but that person never learns any of the meanings of any of the ayat of the Qur'an Never learns the meanings In fact, actually, you could say there are non-Muslim academics that work at universities and they memorize ayat of the Qur'an in Arabic but they don't believe in it, they don't act on it But let's just take the example of just a Muslim child from a non-Arab country like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, some place where Arabic is not the regular language and they spend their whole life and they study the Qur'an but they memorized it, they memorized all the ayat they know all the letters, they know all the words, they know all the verses but they never learned what it meant, they never learned what it meant So would you say that this person has fulfilled the purpose of the Qur'an? Nobody will say that, right? No Muslim will say that this person has fulfilled the purpose of the Qur'an They will actually say that, masha'Allah, very bubarat, very good but really miss the point Is it not? Correct me, please You can correct me at all, if you think this is I am off, tell me You will say, no, you completely miss the point Everybody here is Muslim, everybody here believes this, what I just said, yes? So now, I want you to think about that and I want you to think now about how we learn about nature from a young age, when we go to school or home schooling in a curriculum all the curriculum basically comes from the same kind of mindset We learn from a young age, from kindergarten all the way through 12th grade we basically do hith of ayat We learn that there are different kinds of trees We learn that there are deciduous trees and there is evergreen trees and then we learn that if you zoom in on one of those trees, you see a leaf and we learn that if you zoom in on that leaf, you will find cells and other kinds of cells that make a cell wall in the plant and then you learn that if you zoom in even more in the cell you will find something called chloroplasts Has anybody heard chloroplasts? So if you haven't, you are learning about an ayat for the first time There is something called chloroplasts inside the cell and that if you zoom in to the chloroplasts there is something called chlorophyll which is a molecule and it's very difficult to draw but Subhanallah, interestingly, this molecule actually does take the shape of a deafidil which is very beautiful So it actually looks like this I know it looks like a flower but actually this is a diagram for a molecule So you have learned one ayat, two ayats, nine ayats, ten If you want to use each concept, cell is an ayat Chlorophyll is an ayat Chloroplasts is an ayat, that's right Chloroplasts There is a thing in here that we in our age call chloroplasts We don't know actually what it's called Allah knows actually what it's called because Allah created everything and He knows the actual names of things But in our time, in our context, because of history it so happens that we have called this chloroplast On your Makayama, you'll find out what it's actually called This is called chlorophyll Okay, didn't Allah create all of these things? Yes Right? What's your name? Hanifa Allah created all of these things, right? Yes These are all signs of Allah, right? Yes This is also a sign of Allah? Yes These are also signs of Allah? Yes Hanifa, if I ask you, if somebody memorised this Have you memorised this ayat for Anifa? Yes Mashallah So if you memorised this ayat for example And let's say there's somebody in Nifa who memorises this ayat but they go their whole life and they never learn what does this ayat mean? Is that sad? Yes Sad But what about these ayats? Aren't these ayats? Everybody agrees these are ayats of Allah Everybody agrees just like the sign that the point is not the ayat the point is what it's pointing to, right? So we all know that this has a meaning and we ask What is the meaning of this ayat? You ask your Quran teacher What is the meaning of this ayat? Because you want to learn the whole point of the ayat But let me ask you a question When was the last time you heard somebody ask their science teacher What was the meaning of chloroplast? What is the meaning of chlorophyll? Does this sound like an odd question to us? Raise your hand if it sounds like an odd question It's an odd question isn't it? But hold on Why should it be an odd question? Don't you all believe? I believe we're in this room We all believe that chloroplast is an ayat of Allah Why has it not ever occurred to me to ask What does chloroplast mean? What does a tree mean? What does chlorophyll mean? Isn't the point of an ayat its meaning? The point of this ayat is its meaning We all agree in this room That if you go your whole life and you learn these ayat You memorize them But you never learn their meaning You will say how sad? Completely miss the point Completely miss the point But we go through our whole lives Literally doing hips Of all these ayat I went into science We all have a certain amount of science That we have to do as part of our curriculum How many little bits of knowledge in our mind DNA and ribosome And cell structure And gravity And E equals MC squared And force, physics, forces Are these not ayat? What will happen? Isha, you tell me If you're in a science class And you ask your science teacher What's the meaning of this ayat? What does chlorophyll mean? Because that's the point Is it not the point of the ayat? What will the science teacher say to you? I will explain to you what it means It will explain to you That this word means this molecule Yes, however What if you ask them What does a tree mean? Won't they be puzzled? They will assume that I know what a tree is Yes, they will assume That you know that the word When I say tree That this equals This thing that we see outside Yes, yes However When I say This is very good This by itself Is a sign of Allah SWT Just like this Is a sign of Allah SWT This has a meaning The meaning of this is this That's true But what's the meaning of this? It's one of the signs of Allah It is a sign of Allah You are right Just like this is a sign of Allah But what's the meaning of this ayat? It's a meaning of this That's the meaning, right? What's the meaning of this? When you look at a tree What's the meaning of it? Do you know? We look at scientifically From my knowledge Is that we see trees as Providing oxygen for us Okay, scientifically Yes, yes And it could be like We look at trees as providing us food Yes And shade Yes That's what I think about it This is good So what you're doing is Going into his knowledge And he says to me What other stuff do I know about trees? And he's mentioning Can trees give us oxygen? Trees give food? Trees give shade? However What you just did You mentioned other signs Yes Food is a sign Oxygen is a sign of Allah Shade is a sign of Allah So the way that you answered The question right now Was if I asked you What does this ayat mean? This one And then instead of telling me The meaning of it You said, well There's another ayat that says this There's another ayat And there's another ayat There's another ayat But that was my question Do you see? The question was What does this mean? We have this meaning We understand when we read this That it means something But when we read this You don't even know What does that even mean to say? That a tree has a meaning A tree has a meaning Is it not a sign? Any questions? I take a look at the chart on the bottom You've broken things out Expanded on If I take a look at how we were taught What these words meant It was just a definition They were giving us a definition Not necessarily a meaning Of what it's pointing to It sort of does this And it looks like it may feed on this But it doesn't quite tell you Why? What's the greater purpose Or meaning behind it? So Exactly Exactly So you learn This ayat You learn this ayat You learn this ayat You learn this ayat You learn this ayat Just like you learn Kulgu Allahu ahad One ayat Allahu samad Another ayat Lam yad wa lam yulad Another ayat Wa lam yad kullahu kufwan Another ayat You learn these four ayats This is a little bit This is a strange concept Because we're so not used to thinking about it this way That a tree has meanings And those meanings They ultimately go back To Allah swt And the way that we try to understand that Is we do it through understanding Allah swt's names So for example When you look at If you look at a tree for example And you see that it has This beautiful grand You know All of these leaves that come out And when you look at the green It's easy on the eyes And when you look at the leaves Flowing in the wind Then it looks It gives you feelings Of ease It gives you feelings of relaxing It makes you feel at ease When you feel the heat of the sun And then you go underneath that shade You feel all of a sudden a relief And so as you feel and experience these things Because you know that this tree is a sign And all of these things you're experiencing From the sign of Allah You know that Allah is the one That gives you relief That Allah is the one that is gentle That Allah is the one that Is easy on the slaves And many many many many many different names From that tree you'll learn When you mention also that the tree gives food To us and it gives food to insects And it gives food to birds And the more you learn in your science class All the different things that it gives food to The more you're able to learn More names Allah swt Those names are the meanings Of the things that we study But So does that make a little bit more sense now? Can we just stop there? Are there any questions? I think maybe just Can you explain a little bit about The connection between Allah's names And our reflection of Allah's signs That connection Allah swt So when we look up So here's an important thing All of you guys have young kids How old is Abbas? He's two So what we want to help ourselves First do and help our children Do from a young age Is that when we direct them to look At the signs of Allah in creation Instead of taking them Just from one Aya to the next We want them to whenever Aya's They're experiencing To be able to reflect on their meanings So and how do we do that? So just a quick example Is that you look up at the sky And instead of Especially if you have a science background Instead of your mind Going into Why is the sky blue And the reflection of the this And then there's bacteria Or whatever I don't even actually know why it's sky blue And then there's clouds And you see these big white clouds And then instead of your mind Going to clouds are actually Water, droplets, H2O That is condensed This is not the point of the cloud Allah didn't create the cloud Simply so that your mind Goes from one sign to another Allah swt created the cloud So that when you look at the cloud Your mind goes from the cloud to Allah The way that we do that is we say Oh look, look at this cloud How does that cloud look to you Just to your eyes Oh it looks so white and fluffy But it's fluffy It looks soft And it looks gentle Yeah it does But it's so big Right Khalifa Aren't clouds so big They're huge But they're so soft And fluffy And you feel like you just hug it It will be so nice If you could just sleep on one Right Yeah That's how you feel You see that response That's how we should feel when we see a cloud But even the best part Even better part Is that Understand That the reason the cloud is that way Is because that's the way That Allah is The reason the cloud is so big Is because Allah is grand The reason the cloud is fluffy Is because Allah is gentle The reason the cloud is Can turn dark Is because Allah also can be there And the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam When he Our teacher He taught us that If you want to think Like the Sahaba thought How the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam thought As best as we can understand From the Hadith that we have Then I can pretty much Bet that it wasn't When they saw the cloud coming They're like Is this a Qilu Nibus Or Qilus Stratus That's probably not what was going through Their Mubarak minds We actually have evidence from Of course we're not there to follow The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Throughout his life But you can get a sense Of how the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Would respond to nature At one time it was raining And he took off his shirt And exposed his chest to the rain Because he wanted to feel The mercy of Allah On his head Directly Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Or another time When the clouds were coming And they were looking You know like clouds look angry Sometimes before a storm Like very grey and dark Like before a thunderstorm Exactly like before a thunderstorm So the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Saw these clouds And they said his Mubarak face turned pale And he became anxious to appearing And he rushed into the masjid And he started praying When they asked him He said I was concerned that maybe Because a messenger has been sent And the people aren't accepting the message What if Allah is sending the adab That he sent on the prior nations But then when I saw That the rain came And it was a mercy Then I realized No, this is Allah's mercy Meaning The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Is asking himself In his mind He could say What does this mean? Allah is creating these dark clouds What does it mean? So does this give a little bit More of a clear understanding That when we say This tree has a meaning We all understand this ayah has a meaning We all understand that if somebody memorizes All these ayahs But they never understand What does it mean? It's a chain But the same is true for these ayahs Does that make sense? Yeah I think what you might help us first Is to feel that Allah is in the unseen But he's speaking to us through the sign Yes So when we're going for walks Or hikes without children That's how we're approaching So Allah is speaking to me And as we do our own reflections We're just naturally sharing them With our children But even more with the fiqhah And they are just in complete awe And naturally used from the fiqhah And sometimes I'm feeling with non-Muslims You see this in poetry Yes, definitely Like that poem about a tree I wondered how I would see A poem as beautiful as a tree I wonder if I'll ever see a I wonder if I'll ever see A poem as lovely as a tree I wonder if I'll ever see a poem As lovely as a tree And it's a whole poem about a tree And it ends with the God And you get the last verse Poem that made my fools like me Poem that made my fools like me Poem that made my fools like me But only God can make a tree So that's how the poem ends So that's a good example If we do want to bring A lot of our reflections And our homeschooling and teaching Of Allah's signs With poetry Of language arts That might be a natural way to extend Bringing my reflection Yes, so Just a quick kind of step back The program that you have That you are involved in with the Rose Garden here This is very important to You know, these are It's an environment where You're able to explore these kinds of ideas About, you know, sharing, like For example, what Sister Sana just said Using poetry at the right age For helping children interact with nature Understand nature, experience nature And give verse expression to it Through these beautiful words As opposed to just like a textbook That just says this, this, this, this Like a robot, you know That shouldn't be the means by which they Approach Allah SWT's signs Poetry is actually a very beautiful way To approach Allah SWT's signs Because Allah SWT's signs itself Are a kind of poetry Allah SWT's signs are Allah SWT's statements in a sense Obviously the statements of Allah And the Qur'an, they're uncreated, eternal But Allah SWT's The tree is the Created statement of Allah SWT So we have to ask, what is Allah saying? Now what I What I wanted to Share with you, in addition to All of this is kind of an introduction Is that Right now, if you When we study Science We become very well Practiced over years From K through 12 At Learning just what all the signs Are And never, ever Thinking about the meaning Because we're Taking it from a column, from a people That the way they have structured The curricula, the way That they have, the way that they teach it And because it's based on what they believe In the people who design the curriculum In general, they Don't Believe that it has meaning Now again, of course, there are Poets and there are people all over That feel that it does But the issue is that In terms of the pedagogy, meaning The methods of how It's taught in the classroom And that extends to Pretty much every homeschooling curriculum As well, pretty much Sisters can correct me on that But in general, the way That science is taught, the way That we interact with nature Is through our science classes And the way that those science classes Are taught is Essentially Practicing the mind It's practicing the mind In not seeing anything So much so that if you ask somebody What is the meaning of a tree I don't really understand what you mean But if you ask somebody What is the meaning of the side But it should be That when we're studying In our science classes That we are constantly Learning new meanings As we're learning each and every thing So the issue Is that we have a very well Structured curriculum In science classes That teaches you to look at everything From a meaningless perspective And so what we try to do In our Help kids Construct their own glasses That they can put on And then pick up any Science textbook for example And then because they put those glasses on They are able to see the meanings And those glasses What are they made of They're made of the Quran and the Hadith So basically What we try to do in our And this is what I'm going to do with you in the last 45 minutes Insha'Allah Is to create These little Mind glasses So you don't have to make a new textbook That is like an Islamic Science textbook No, it's not necessary All we need to do Is we need to just understand What Allah has said in the Quran And what messengers have said About those two sources And we're going to ask you some questions And everybody will then make their own glasses And then put them on and they can Read These signs And realize And understand what is their meaning As opposed to Just like we read these signs And we understand what is their meaning So that's good It's a little bit abstract So I'm just going to dive into this And then Insha'Allah Hopefully it will be Just one thing I was going to say In general, any of the signs of Allah Is that their meanings can be infinite Less You can have infinite meanings That it points to So one ayah of the Quran We cannot say that it is Limited in its meaning Because it's an utterance of Allah's Quran So similar to what Khidr is saying Is that similar to that A single ayah Whether it's a tree or a chloroplast Or anything else It's unending Because it points to the one who is unending And beginning us So There's plenty of meaning for everybody And everybody will also Anyway, so we'll just pause there Okay Before we go On any comments Or questions I have like 50 Anyway, let's go ahead I just wanted to mention You know, I was younger I heard some elders mention When we were reciting Certain verses of Quran When we were reciting Certain verses of Quran Like a lot of people were crying As it was affecting them I always thought like Why are they crying? Why is the house affecting them? What does it mean? So when I was a kid, when I was a child I thought I always would come to People would tell me Why are you crying? Because as a child at that time You couldn't understand it Is that what you're saying? I didn't know what it meant So it wasn't going in And tears weren't coming So my goal This is my dua Is that if somebody has to study E equals MC squared They cry I want To say You know Libosomes Or E equals MC squared That when they read it They cry Why should it not be? Because these are the signs of Allah Why should it not be? Like you're saying Exactly, this is a beautiful thing That you just said But I didn't understand the meaning So I couldn't really relate Made up of the basics of the Quran That now Equips each Muslim That they can read the meanings of the ayah Just like you need to learn Arabic And if you want to learn The ayahs of the Quran Then you need to know a little bit of Arabic And you need to know a little bit of Arabic You read the ayah Establish the prayer for my remembrance You need to know a little bit of Arabic These are basics You need to know a little bit of Arabic A little bit of Fiqh That Aqima Salah what does that mean It means pray 5 times a day What does Salah mean How do you do that You need to know a little bit of The sum of What's the thicker You need to know all of these Basics So that you can understand That when Allah says Establish the prayer for my remembrance What does it mean Now Quran For the ayah in creation This is the program that we've tried to develop Which we taught our own kids Over about 6 months or so But we're trying to condense it into like a 3-4 day Intensive for Young teens So let's get started I need to have a question Please Why would you want to ask a question Like why does this mean that What did Like Why does the microphone mean that Why would you ask that Can I make the question easier for me How about What does What about you want to ask What does this sky mean Are you saying That sounds like a strange question Why would you want to ask that That's a very Very important question And I think What I'm going to do is I'm going to continue to show you What I'm going to show you And then afterwards you can see If it answers your question or if it didn't I don't know if it will That's a good question Hold on to that question Nifa how old are you 9 Alright So all of you are now 12 or 13 years old But you answer the question as you are I'm going to talk to you though Like you are 12 or 13 So you just got like a few more years Alright So Is someone Does everybody here know What is a spectrum Does anybody know what is a spectrum What is a spectrum Or you can give an example If you've heard of it Okay So I'm going to show you a spectrum This is a spectrum We have a hot water tap over here There's the water coming out This is the hot water And we have a cold water tap over here This is cold water This is 100% hot water The hottest If you put your hand into this You might burn yourself This is Really really really totally 100% cold Water 100% cold 100% hot Nifa how What's the temperature of the water here Is it more hot Or is it more cold Is it Still hot But is it Less hot than here It's less hot than here Okay So this is still hot What about Um Mariam What about the temperature of the water here It's less cold than here Is there Some hotness of water here But not like More So there is Maybe we could say 75% For example cold Here And 25% hot But it's mostly cold because it's on the cold side And What about on this side It would be 75% hot Mostly hot It's mostly hot But there is still some cold Right Some cold What about over here What about here What's the temperature here This is the middle point Medium Close to medium So medium would be What does that mean in terms of how much hot is there And how much cold is there This is getting close to 50-50 I'm getting close to 50-50 So What about right Here Caniva How is the water temperature right there It's not all the way at this side But it's right next to it 90% 90 or 99% 99% So wait a minute that means This is 99% cold Yes What's the other 1% 1% is the hot There's a little tiny bit of heat still left By the time you get all the way to this side There's still some heat So a spectrum Is when you start with A lot On one side And You slowly Gradually To the other Slowly gradually You can do the same from this side too It's really cold And it slowly Gradually becomes Less and in the middle Is the perfect middle mixing point Where exactly Where they both meet Right here Right here where they both meet So this This is an example of a spectrum This is actually a two-sided spectrum When you start on one side and it's a lot And then you gradually Change To the other side Any questions? So now I have something To tell you that maybe you Haven't heard before Anifa But here is this very interesting fact That we learned from Allah In the messenger That All Of Allah's creation Is A Spectrum All of Allah's creation So I'm going to draw this again But in Allah's creation Instead of hot And cold That's interesting That's a nice idea That sounds like Heaven and Earth, sky and sea Close On one side of the spectrum Is The Unseen World This person knows a lot In Arabic we call it Adam and Light On the other side of the spectrum We have the Seeing the world Or Adam Or Another word Another phrase for it Which Imam Wazali called us Is Which means The World Of Quantity And Measurement What does quantity mean? It has to do with numbers The amount of something And measurement means That you can measure Measure something So on one side is the world Of the scene Which you can see, touch, feel, hear Smell, taste And on the other side Is The Unseen Describe it with your own sense Exactly So now I'm going to go around I'm going to ask each person I'm going to say something And I'm going to say one creation of Allah And I want you all to tell me where it should go On the spectrum So on this side is the scene On the other side is the Unseen And this is in the middle So since we were talking about this Um Hanifa tree Where? In the scene So should I put it here? Does everybody agree That that's where the tree should go? I think it should go Very close to where you want the scene to go Why Why should you, why do you think it should go here? Because the tree is very Obvious You interact with the idea of the Unseen And then things that kind of start to transition To that scene world So the point that you're making If I understood you correctly Is that remember that This is a spectrum So Things that are the most seen Are all the way on this side And things that are really really unseen Are all the way on this side It's all Allah's creation But I'm going to leave both these trees up here For now But I tend to agree with Doha But we're going to see what happens Tariq What about Jannah Jannah and Jannah will put that together Where should we put that? The unseen Here Maybe close to the Hanifa, what do you think? I think closer to that So like you're saying here or this is funny Closer to the unseen Well this is all on a scene right here Closer to that side Closer to this side Okay, does anybody Feel differently? Okay, so we'll put Jannah here And we'll check this Okay, how about How about How about selves How about selves, oh Mariam Where should we put selves? In the scene portion You've got more self in the middle Because you can Uh Maybe I'll put it more so In the 50 more Not like Not in the total amount but the 50 Of like the middle and the scene So like here More so Here? Yeah behind the tree Here? Yeah This way Sells Yes? Well, I think we're going to Put this tree here So I'm going to remove this tree Because remember it's most Seen all the way to this side And it becomes less Seen as you go Across obviously So Where if tree is here Where should selves go? You can't see it with like You get either You would have to use some Thing to see it So sorry before we knew this way Or this way Left of the tree Right of the tree Yes Like here for example Yeah Okay So Sells are Do you know what a cell is? You know what a cell is? Okay Have you ever seen a cell No But you believe in cells Which you've never seen with your eyes Okay So Do you believe in cells? Who believes in cells? Who has seen a cell With their eyes? Through a microscope Through a microscope Through a microscope Who has seen a cell through a microscope? Okay so some people have not So You haven't seen a cell through a microscope Yeah But you believe in cells So have you ever seen a cell? No I'm not sitting right next to you She's never seen a cell She has never seen a cell Actually there's lots of people who haven't seen cells But they all believe in cells But you've never seen one So how do you know that it's there? Beautiful, excellent answer Mashallah You've never seen a cell But you know that cells exist But you never saw it through yourself But you know that there are other people That have seen cells And you Trust those people, isn't it? Maybe did your dad tell you About cells You learned from your teachers at school And you trust your teachers at school You should trust your teachers at school You believe in cells But you've never seen it Because you trust Maybe your dad told you Maybe your mom told you Wait, hold on But what if you saw a picture of a cell in a textbook Or on a YouTube video Then can you say you've seen a cell? Not really, right? Yeah Because somebody could have drawn it It's still just a picture It's not the actual thing If you look under a microscope, yes Then you will see for yourself a cell Then you just have to rely You have to trust somebody else And that's perfectly fine thing to do We trust people Who believes in China? Raise your hand if you believe in China Everybody believe in China? Has anybody seen China here at school? None of us have seen China But China exists, yeah? Yeah Okay, how do you know that China exists? People haven't, but you haven't So how do you know? How do you even know that China is real? I learned about China And now I feel like I trust them that China is real And it exists Yeah, so there were other people That went to China They saw it And then they came back And they told their family And spread around And so you learn That China exists China exists Exists Cells Exists But the way that Some people learn about them Is by trusting others Yes And the way that others learn about them Is By trusting other people By trusting other people In like a chain, right? One person told another, told another, told another And there's so many people That told you That China exists And you trust all those people So you said, okay, I believe I trust that China exists Yes So, this is something A very important thing I want to explain to you That if you really think about it There's really only Three ways That you can That you ishra That you umaria That you umanifa That you doha There's only three ways That you can know If something exists or not If something is true or not There's only three And your homework assignment will be to challenge To find something besides these three What are those three? The first is Direct Observation You saw the thing with your own eyes The actual thing Not a picture of a cell in a textbook But you actually Looked in a microscope And you saw the cell with your own eyes You went to China And you saw that China Is a place That's one way of knowing Directly see, hear, touch, feel Then the other way The second way is what we call Sound Music Sounds a little strange I'm sorry Sound report Sound report Like people have made reports about it Yes Sound report meaning Like Music stuff So We'll come back to news another time Let's just pretend that somebody comes to that door right now And they say Oh my goodness There's a building down the street It's on fire It's on fire And none of us know this person He's just a stranger off the street But he does seem concerned Maybe we'll believe him We'll probably, we'll probably believe him But we're not sure What would you have to do With your own eyes? Well, we don't have to You just told me you live in China without seeing With your own eyes So Ideally Yes, you're right That's the way that it should be Is that oh, I know this person Dari comes into the door And he says We need to get out of here There's a fire next door And we all trust Dari completely We know him, we know his character We know who he is And so we say okay, we believe you We don't even need to see it We just run out the other side But what if somebody that we don't really know Comes in from this side And he says there's a fire And then somebody else comes in from that door And says there's a fire We don't know any of these three people But all three of them are saying the same thing They're saying there's a door There's a building next door It's got a blue roof It's got pink walls And the other one also says There's a house next door It's got a blue roof It's got pink walls It's got a green door And the other person says the same thing And we don't know them, but they're all saying the same thing So we say okay, this is probably true Right, this is probably true So now we have based on Report from somebody Without seeing it, we believe it And that's perfectly good We really think about it I know that there's a country called Papua New Guinea Probably will never go there in my life But I know that it exists I know that there's all kinds of strange sea creatures That I've seen on TV I wasn't there to see those sea creatures with my eyes Somebody took a video camera Took a picture of it and then showed me the image So that's report I know all of these things exist So much Most of our knowledge actually comes From trusting other people I like lemurs We only live in Madagascar Exactly, just like that Lemurs only live in Madagascar I don't know how about what if lemurs live in In Ethiopia No, but from what I say I read a textbook In the textbook it said I trust The person who runs the textbook company I trust the writer of the textbook I trust the person who took the picture And I trust all of the people Who worked to get that textbook to me I'm a very trusting person I trust a lot of people But that's okay That's how it's supposed to be Who knows What was the name that the prophet Someone was known By even before he Received a revelation From Allah swt What does that mean? Anifa What is trustworthy And that's my last name Mashallah Beautiful That's a wonderful name The trustworthy So That's the second way of knowing something Now before we get to the third way Of knowing something We have 10 minutes and this is another 12 That's okay So let's do this What about angels? Where should angels go on this? On the unseen side On the unseen side Where should we put angels on the unseen side? Okay here Alright Does anybody feel differently? Mishan So Physically I'm an angel But we have heard stories That The prophets Many times And prophets in general They see angels Yes Okay And feeling Yes That's a very important point And we're actually going to come to that But first So prophets can see angels Who else sees angels? Of course Allah swt sees everything That's true But who else in creation sees angels? Yes Young babies We have heard I don't know exactly where it comes from But I've experienced this And we've heard this from people of knowledge That young babies can see angels What about outside the human world? Yes The roosters Yes animals can see angels The prophets Informed us that when the rooster crows In the morning He sees angels By the way this is a very interesting point I was reading some science articles about roosters And when they crow And they don't crow when the sun comes up Or when the dawn comes They crow Right before that Which is at the Hajj time Before the dawn comes That's different from the angels So many angels that are coming down at that time So many angels So that's when the roosters crow So And that can help somebody get up at the Hajj And that can help somebody get up at the Hajj This is the most important point So let me ask you a question Prophets see angels Babies can see angels sometimes Roosters can see angels So where should we put angels? Over here On the unseen side Or the unseen side Here So But some people do Prophets see some very righteous people Also sometimes can see Angels Roosters see angels Roosters are on this side So we're over here Prophets also here So How can we just leave them over there? Why should angels be I challenge now Why should angels be Only on the unseen side Because so many people who are That you see in this room These kinds of people Like some people can't see Some people can Some people can Because there was a handle I do think it should be on the same side Very close to the middle one But close to the middle one Because the ordinary are not able to see it But But the ordinary are They're able to ascend In their ranks And just like they say south In the seen category Because they are seen in our realms Uh huh That sounds Very reasonable There is one thing though That separates Very clearly The things that we know On this side Versus the things that we know about On this side It's two different types of seeing Seeing from the heart Yes So this is an important point That sister Sana brings up Is that even though we ordinary people We can't see angels But we feel angels Who has felt Anita How did you feel How did you feel How did you feel when you were a beginner I felt like I was a beginner You felt like you were an ease I felt like it happened Why did you feel so happy Why do you think you felt so happy And at ease I was like Out of the peaceful place There's a lot of peace And quiet around Do you know what it was That you were feeling there One of course So you feel the effect Of his soul that's there But the other thing, imagine How many angels there must be In Medina I can't even imagine how many angels there must be No So when you feel that peace In Medina You are feeling the presence of angels Actually you know one time We didn't much did in Long Island in New York And it was the last 10 days of Ramadan And we were doing our Tharawee prayers And we invited some non-Muslim neighbors To come and experience The Tharawee prayers And they sat for the whole Tharawee In the back And everybody sat there And at the end of it When they left They all were saying So wonderful So peaceful They were feeling The Prophet SAW said That whenever people gather to remember Allah Angels gather around them And they almost face back From the arms All the way up So imagine The effect of that Of course hearts were going to feel it But can we know Let's say there's a non-Muslim They don't know about Allah and his messenger But they can feel the peace So do they know for sure If they don't have somebody to tell them Do they know for sure that these are angels That is making me feel this way They don't know for sure They may understand There's something called angels There's something called sakina That's another thing that Allah has created Sakina is also creation of Allah They understand these things They understand that they might exist But do they know that that's the thing That's making them feel that peace right now How do we as Muslims know That angels exist How do we know? From the Prophet SAW The Prophet SAW The trustworthy he told us Because Allah showed him And he saw it with his eyes And his heart And then he informed us Because he is a Nabi The messenger Rasul his messenger What does Nabi mean? Amen We say prophet But actually what does it do? What does Nabi actually mean? It doesn't actually prophet in English mean someone That tells you something about the future Prophet SAW did tell us some things about the future But that's not all that he told us about He told us much more than that What does Nabi mean? Surah An-Nada Information News Nabi is somebody who informs He informs you of something That you can't know otherwise So the Prophet SAW So the point that we are saying Here is that anything That is on this side Of the spectrum The way that you can Know about it for sure For sure Is through This way Through sound report Through the prophet Through Allah or his messenger Now as we said You can feel the presence of angels That you don't need that for But to know That definitely there are angels And definitely there is something called Sakina That comes down in the hearts of the believers And that definitely there is something called Jannah You need a prophet To inform you of that Of course there are many many people That were not Muslim Or not Jewish And they thought that there must be some afterlife There are many people like that They realized they thought There must be some afterlife But how can I know How can I know for sure There is no way Yes good But there is a specific type of person You have to ask Who is the only person that can tell you For sure if Jannah Or Jannah or angels exist The prophets The prophets are the ones that have been given knowledge Of the unseen And they inform us That's why they are called nubbies They inform you Of that which you don't know That's the way that you know for sure So if you meet somebody and they are like I don't know if I believe in an afterlife I think that maybe there are angels That makes sense if they are not Muslim Because they haven't accepted a nubbie Of course Christians will They accepted Isa They made certain mistakes After that yes But they accepted Isa And talked them the same thing That there is something of Jannah And angels So Actually we have Maybe 2-3 minutes So You can't directly Observe angels In most cases You can know for sure that Angels exist through something And you can also experience them And feel their presence Okay So then what about So what Should we put angels over here Angels Have to be on this side because You can only know About it from Hearing from somebody else Trick question Where is Allah SWT It's a trick question Remember this spectrum is about Allah's creation Is Allah creation No Allah doesn't belong on this Allah is above all of this SubhanAllah So this is just about what Allah has created Okay Quickly Wi-Fi Wi-Fi where should Wi-Fi go 50 mark Here Pretty close Not by the cells But in between cells and 50 So maybe close to the middle one You feel like it should be over here Can you tell me why You think Wi-Fi should be there Have you ever seen Wi-Fi? No It's unseen You can measure Wi-Fi It can be Quantified and measured You can measure Wi-Fi You can use it and you can measure it So it goes in this world of quantity And measurement But it's more unseen than cells Yeah And cells are more unseen than trees So remember this is the spectrum It's becoming more unseen as you go this way Okay Now last one minute And half an hour conversation We're going to do it in 30 seconds Where should a human being go on this Yes, Anifla All the way at the left Because you can see people All the time Mashallah Everywhere Yes, you can see people everywhere So you should put it all the way here But hold on It's not so simple Yes, go ahead Arms Legs, lungs, heart Eyeballs, yes, many parts There's the physical Upside Obvious part of the human being All we have the obvious part of the spectrum There's the inner parts of the organ Somewhat not the back You can go with one and two And have them to interact with And then go back to the end Hold on, do you have a soul? Yes So where does the soul go? I'll be what she said So where should the soul go? Okay, so we're going to put the human here And we're going to put the soul over here So I don't think the human can be placed In the big part of the spectrum Isha, what do you think? Soul is just brain anyway, right? No, I don't think so Don't think so? I feel like maybe We could try being right at that center Why'd you say dead? Why'd you say dead? Okay, so then we should put it this way Right at the dead center So at this point This is when I pick on the kids and I ask them I ask them to tell me How do they know That I'm talking to them And they're like, well my brain does this And my brain does that and my brain does this So then we explain to them And we tell them a whole story And we quickly go through it So then we tell them a whole story That you live your life, you go through your life Imagine that you become grandpa one day And then you're on your deathbed And then you are lying there And then all of a sudden you see The angel of death coming to you And because Alhamdulillah you lived your life Well, it looks beautiful He looks beautiful And the angel of death takes you And now you are above your body And your family come into the room And they realize that their grandfather passed away And they start crying and you feel bad But what you feel mostly Is you feel very much like a thirst That you want to bury And then they wash your body And they're very careful when they wash your body Because the Sharia says that Because actually you feel everything that they do to you And then when they put you in the grave You see everybody, the last person walks away And then you see Munkara and Nakir come And then you start Going deep, inshallah your grave is expanded Then you feel at peace And you actually Imam Huzali says you will actually remember To the point that even that when I was in the dunya I used to wear such and such shirt And the person who is in regret Will feel deep sadness And pain And regret So you are in the grave, you are seeing You are hearing, you are feeling You are thinking, you are experiencing You are remembering But your brain is being eaten by words Just like right now you are Seeing and hearing and thinking and feeling It is because You are not your brain You are your soul Right now when you hear me And you're thinking about what I'm saying And you're thinking and you're worrying about salah It's all your soul That is happening So salah has started We're going to just completely ruin it And we're going to just do it this way Human being cannot Go in one place The human being Is actually their own spectrum And it goes across the whole thing Because you have your body And you have your heart and you have your cells And you also have kind of a wifi That goes between your heart and your brain And you have aqal and you have nafs And you have Qalb and you have sir And you have ruh And it goes from all the way To the other And this is why Allah SWT says That we will show them our signs Outside And within themselves Always it's the whole world And also the human being Which is also the whole world So the body part of the human Is not real and special You know what Let's quickly meet after salah We'll take questions and then we'll finish We're asking a question We were saying that the human being We have a body Like our arms and legs and everything inside But we also have cells inside us too Right? Our bodies also make cells I think like Two humans really want And this is something That we're working on with them Because I know that humans are our own creation But that we're Our spectrum And this Well so this is the issue That human beings we have We have rights Because why? Think about it You have your arms Can you see my arms? You can see me? So I have to be here like next to the tree Right? But I also have cells All my body and your body are made Of cells And we also have Soul but soul Would go over here Right? So it's like My arms and legs go here The cells in my arms and legs Are going to go here And then did you know also we have Wi-Fi inside us? Did you know what? It's not exactly Wi-Fi But they're in our heart Our heart sends special Like kind of like radio waves They're like unseen radio waves I also know that there's like nerves Connecting to the nerve brain Yeah and nerves are cells Nerves are kind of cells And then If you know guys know this but You can actually measure the effect On the heart Of feelings of gratitude So if somebody is feeling Grateful That actually looks a certain way When you can actually measure You know how we have a heartbeat It's not exactly regular It's not like dub dub and then 50 milliseconds 50 milliseconds It's not like that Between each heartbeat The time changes a little bit And when we measure those time changes It's called heart rate variability Meaning the time between Each heartbeat changes And so when we measure those Changes we can actually find Patterns When somebody is feeling Grateful Heart rate variability Looks different It looks like smooth Line And when somebody is feeling agitated Or hateful Heart rate variability You can measure it You can trace it on a piece of paper Actually looks angry And they also measure that Depending of course on the strength Of the person's gratitude and their soul And all these things It's like the heart rate Oh this is like my top student Right here masha'Allah Absolutely The heart belongs but where is the Sugar in the heart Where is that sugar happening Is it Which is Where does that come from It comes from our soul The sugar is in your qal Qalb is not this thing inside here That's beating like this It's something that is unseen So you have Gratitude You feel sugar, you feel gratefulness In your qal And your physical heart over here Responds to that And we can measure that We can measure the effect of the unseen And you have And you have your nafs And you have something al khayab Which is our imaginative faculty Our imagination Imagination doesn't just have to do with Unicorns Imagination Is something much more grand Than that But the point is Like Tanifah was saying We need our own spectrum Because you can't just put a human being Just here because we're not just jisim It's not just our body And we can't just put it over here Because it's not just spirit or rule So actually It's also Its own spectrum And then if you take the whole course Right What you will learn by the end of it Is that actually Allah swt Has made the sea world Very small Compared to the unseen world So actually It's not really It's not really like this What I showed you here was just a teaching tool It's not actually It's not actually like this And this is unseen And this is seen It's actually like this And this is seen And this Is all unseen The Prophet swt Said that this That the We have seven heavens And the lowest heaven Which is when you look up at your Our entire universe Our universe like Is the lowest heaven So meaning The whole universe From big bang and everything all of that Every single galaxy And all of the stars That it takes Light millions of years To travel through Is the lowest heaven The Prophet swt Said that the example Of the lowest heaven to the second heaven Is like a ring In a desert So this whole universe That is expanding at every single moment Is like a ring In the desert Compared to the second heaven And he said The second heaven Compared to the third heaven Is like a ring In a desert Seven heaven Yes So it goes exactly By the time you get all the way out of the seven heaven It's ringing in the desert All the way And then actually if you look at that It says the throne The seven heavens And the course All together In the desert Compared to the throne It's the greatest Yes Allah Akbar I love these kids Mashallah Mashallah What's your name? Allah So What that shows us is that actually The scene is like I call it the iceberg principle You know icebergs The iceberg is like When you look at it on top of the water But when you look under the water It's actually like this On the top It looks really big Like the bottom is like A big iceberg It's much bigger It's called the upper principle Everything you look at in this dunya Always it's actually bigger It's actually much greater Because Allah is great That's what I think it is Like when you look at it on top of the water It gets much bigger Yes, and it's huge underneath Right? Yes, exactly So Then We do all of this kind of Step by step We show the kids Different Quranic ayat and hadith We have conversations Kind of take it and so that they Just like what we're doing with Hanifa And they answer the questions And they will try to put it We do more examples so that it kind of goes And then we say, Allah swt Actually said that there's seven So This is also still not correct Because actually what it's really like Is Like this This is Our scene world And this Beyond the scene And these are seven heavens One, two, three So this is the first one Two, three, four, five, six, seven And remember This is actually not even correct Because remember this whole heaven Which is our whole universe Is just a ring in the desert compared to this one And this is just a ring in the desert Compared to this one And this is just a ring in the desert It gets so big that I couldn't even fit it In this Room, let alone in the sky That's how big it is And we will talk More and more, but remember We talk about, then there are patterns We can't go into all of it But Allah swt has told us much more About all of this Allah swt has told us a lot About, you know, that Allah swt He gives a command That when he gives a command Allah swt gives Did you guys watch that video On the Thing that we sent In that you see when he talks About shooting stars Prophet s.a.w. is informing about shooting stars That when Allah swt Commands something The first one he utters Gives the command The angels by the throne They sabbaha They glorify Allah swt And then the angels in the next heaven Down they hear that glorification And then they glorify Allah swt And then the angels in the next heaven Down they hear that glorification And then they glorify It keeps on going It keeps on going all the way Until the angels all the way down here And then the Prophet s.a.w. said The angels at the simaat dunya Or he does the simaat dunya But he says the angels somewhere from further down Ask the angels that are near The throne What has your lord commanded So then Allah swt So then the angels inform them So the angels that are up here holding the throne They Up here They tell give the command They say this is what he commanded So they say it to these angels Who then say it to these angels Who then say it to these angels Who then say it to these angels Who then say it to these angels make that command occur in this life. So this is happening at all moments for every single thing that is happening in creation. The angels have a lot of work. And there are a lot of angels. And there are other things that we can learn that become important, that become part of developing the mindset of meaning to be able to look at the creation. For example, some of the Olimah that they say that as you go up further in the heavens things become simpler and clearer. And as you go down towards our world things become multiple and more and many and less clear. You can kind of think of it as like the higher you go, the purer it is and the lower you go, the more murky it gets. If you kind of imagine Allah swt as being above all of His creation, obviously Allah swt is not in any direction. We all know that we discuss these things. Allah swt is not in any particular direction. Allah swt does not literally sit on His throne. Allah swt is not above or left or right or up or down. The directions do not apply to Allah swt. But the way the system that He has created in His creation is that as you go higher, you become purer. Which makes sense. As you go higher, it becomes purer. And as you come down, it becomes less purer and more things and impure and a little bit darker as you come down. And there's much more we talk about. So by the time we are done with all of this then we can now talk about anything. We can talk about natural selection. We can talk about physics. We can talk about chemistry. And we know where it goes. We know what we're talking about. And we know that everything that happens down here it only ever happens as a result of the command coming all the way through. So when you see a tree and Allah swt is above everything and Allah and all of His beautiful and magnificent names are above everything. So when you see a tree what you are actually seeing is not a tree. What you are actually seeing is the command of Allah that as if it has taken the shape of all of His names that make up that tree. He is gentle and He is kind and He provides risk and He is firm and He is strong because the park is firm and strong. And He is all the reflections. The point of it is not that we feed children reflections. That's not the point. The point is not when you see a tree and you see the E, F, G, these are all the names of Allah you should memorize this for this. That's not the point. The point is we give all of the background knowledge so that everything that you look at you realize this is so much greater than just the things that look at it. When I look at this tree this is actually the result of this command that is coming down and all of His names. What names are manifested in this tree? Now that's called science. That's the whole point of studying nature. The whole point of studying nature is to understand what is its meaning. What names of Allah are here? What does this really mean? I was talking to Philip just now for future sessions to do some exercises that we can do kind of these exercises where we look at a tree or we have whatever it is and then we can go through and reflect on the meanings of it. There's a lot more. This is something that's done over weeks. We tried to condense it into a couple hours. Insha'Allah, we'll stop there because it's too a lot. Is there any questions, comments, or anything, Insha'Allah? We're all in a fight where this type of process is being modeled by the person who's meeting and it's absorbed and experienced by the other parents and it should not be an experiential way of doing it. Yeah. So that's the kind of work that you're doing at Rose Garden with the kids from a young age. That's very important. If you can just take one thing away from when you talk to your children about anything in the creation. If they're coming up with their own explanations for things, that's good. Let them give their own explanations because sometimes they'll say, do you know why the tree-packed globe grows like this is the reality. But it's okay. Don't have to correct them, especially at a young age. Just let them explore. Rather also to turn their attention more to looking and experiencing what you experience with your eyes and your ears and your touch and your taste. Instead of giving them bits of information that it took actually 500 years to understand, okay, wow, it's actually condensed H2O. Which is actually not even really true in reality, but whatever. That's what it says in the textbook. It took us like a thousand years to get to that point. It doesn't really help you do anything, especially not at a young age. Rather, what we want to teach our children at a young age is what's important to know about nature. That this tells us about something about Allah. So the way to do that is what they do at the Rose Garden and other places is actually I don't know if it was Rose Garden because I know who does it. They experience through their senses. That's all you need. That's what Allah gave us. That's all you need. You look with your eyes. What does it feel like? What does this feel like? Oh, it feels hard. It feels like silk. What do you hear? How does it make you feel? It doesn't have to be just with words. We all write an essay on it. That's how I work. For kids, it's more just natural in the moment, present in the moment. They don't need these scientific explanations. Keep those away from their minds from at a young age. Because what you want is you want to exercise not the ability to figure out what's the scientific explanation for this. You want to exercise their ability to connect everything that they're seeing and you want to help your child do that, you have to do that yourself. That is actually the harder work. That is actually the harder work. That's where the discussion begins. You basically exercise the Ma'adi-Fan muscle. Exercise the Ma'adi-Fan muscle. By the way, all of this stuff is really 10% of the formula. If our goal is to preserve our iman and to draw closer to Allah through whatever it is that we study, then the way to do that is 90% of it is matters of the heart and 10% of it is matters of the mind. So 90% of it is the love that you show your children. You tell them to make dua. We need to find a parking spot. They made dua. You found a parking spot. Going to Makkah, going to Medina, going to the masjid, going to school. They have a nice person that positive experiences, beautiful experiences, feeling the peace of the masjid, feeling the peace of the thicker gatherings, parents that are taking care of each other and taking care of the kids and all of the things that you all do as parents, we do our best. That's all I know in that sense. We don't have to be perfect. We just have to do our best for Allah's sake. That's 90% of it. But the 10% that's left is kind of like configuring the mind to deal with what's going to be a lifetime of studying science from a perspective where they say it's really exercising the meaningless muscle. That's how it's taught in the way that it is. They want to present it that way. We just need to put on the right glasses so that when we look and we study these things, we can make these connections. We know from the hadith that the Prophet someone said that the roosters they crow when they see the angels. And then we know from the science that the roosters they crow not at the dawn but before the dawn. We know that that's the same time as the hadjid. Now in those articles that I was reading they're going into the biological clock of the rooster. And they're going into the brain chemicals of the rooster. And that's all there. Those are all signs of Allah also. However, what the point that they are missing is that all of those things that are happening inside the rooster that are happening inside the rooster all of the brain chemicals or whatever it is that they were talking about that happen that are so seeded with the rooster crowing the source of all of those things happening are commands that are descending from the summa summa lot down. That's how it happens. You're missing the picture if you don't realize that actually. That's actually how it happens. So for example, when you hear that you know, you're in the brain chemicals this person is depressed, this person is sad so we measure the brain chemicals and it was low and so we find there's an association between low brain chemicals and depression. Okay, fine. But actually what is the root cause of that? There's a soul and something's going on with that soul. And as a result of that those brain chemicals are changing. This is actually the reality of everything in this in this world is that it sources in the unseen and it manifests in the in the seen world like a waterfall that's coming down at all times. So this is all stuff that you know through many examples and discussions and you know different things we kind of try to try to kind of create this mindset or this glasses of this way of looking at things. So then you can read about equals MC squared you can read about this, read about that and it's just a problem. They're now actually even saying just from our observations. So alhamdulillah, finally they'll catch up to what the hub is. It will take them who knows how many years. Right? So anyway. Okay. Any questions you can ask? Okay. Okay. Okay. One question I have from the video and spoke about the two buckets. Yeah. It's a very significant level of conflict between the two buckets going to be the ideas and etc. Yeah. So is that something that is directionally addressed in terms of then prioritizing understanding all of it and then being able to prioritize it that it very belongs. Yes. So you know how we kind of introduce this idea of layers of creation. So we go into that a lot more and that's all. The first, we have two courses. The first course is the foundations knowing the world and knowing yourself. In that we do the spectrum more like we talk about the human being and then we talk about the layers of creation and actually we have a whole unit in when you're studying natural science or you're studying psychology or studying these things. There's a lot of planes about what the human being is just a bunch of chemicals bouncing around in our heads and that proves to all of our behavior. I had a neurobiologist tell us all standing in my biology class that I have no free will because it's just my neurochemicals bouncing around in my head to which of course the response is to go and punch him in the face and then tell him that I had no free will but that giving them the actual what is the human being where we talk about what is the qalb and what is the purpose of the qalb how does the qalb know how is it different than how the akal knows what are the layers of the akal and what is the nose and what is the kaya and what is the relationship between all of these things so we go through all of these that's like a whole unit and then the third unit is the layers of creation that I haven't talked about before and then we have a second course called introduction to sciences in that is where now we get into understanding what is a science and what are the different sciences where they go how do they correspond to different layers and so you can kind of see where everything plugs in on the spectrum and so that's actually this is all work that has already been done by Arunama from centuries ago anytime somebody would study any science it was rational we didn't have a difference between secular and religious there was revelatory sciences those that relate to revelation and rational sciences those that did human efforts at understanding and in that revision the rational sciences would be also things like physics and chemistry and anthropology and biology and in that they actually have this concept called the ten principles that before a student would start studying any science they would understand these ten principles of that particular science which was what is the goal of the science what is the intent behind the science what are the methods of the science and it contextualizes it and it plugs it in what's the point of it there's all these ten principles and that places it in the mind where does this go what's the purpose of studying biology relative to my purpose in life what's the purpose of studying chemistry relative to the purpose of my life what's the purpose of studying sociology relative to the purpose of my life this work has already been done it's just sitting in the books so the brothers asked me to use the microphones for that to be recorded but she was saying that she comes out of use before starting the CEDA I mean before starting the CEDA lecture we started by teaching the ten principles that she mentioned that she comes out before teaching the CEDA and he went over these ten about a foundational principle so this is actually something that we want to develop for modern biology because that hasn't been done yet so we want to develop for modern biology and physics and all of these things so that we can see where that fits in and we can also see where the old sciences fit in because they still have a role also the old physics and the old biology and the pre-modern chemistry which we call alchemy they have a less role but there are certain things that are important to understand about them so that we don't have a relationship with them that was then and we didn't know anything now we figured everything out that's not the case there's a whole spectrum so yeah we do address them I'm also wondering especially when you are going to be teaching about what a human being is the definition of a human being just not alone in understanding that and later on when you start studying the social sciences let's say psychology even or you start studying education then you would hope that the student would then say okay so the perspective of Sigmund Freud in terms of his definition of the human being was such and such and our definition of the human being is such and such therefore these conclusions on what would help a human being recover from the quote-unquote trauma will naturally be different than our what they would have to say or similar to education what Maria Montessori and Howard Gardner might say about what is best for a child of age three, four will naturally be different because of their definition of the human being versus ours and how we interact with the two and not just their definition of the human being but also this whole spectrum and the unseen because okay, she doesn't exist but a psychologist that's training modern psychology doesn't believe that she doesn't exist so that means that their entire schema of mental health that every single thought that you have it comes from yourself whereas if you know that actually thoughts come from Shaytan, thoughts can come from angels thought can come from Allah, thought can come from from outside then when certain negative thoughts come into the mind we actually have the option of knowing that actually this has nothing to do with me, this is not from me like Yusuf al-Islam said to his brothers he said it's Shaytan that did this and that was his this is not from you meaning a modern psychologist who doesn't believe in Shaytan he will actually tell this person with all the authority of science that you are thinking of this but you have a problem whereas somebody who just understands these basics if they think about it, they're like oh that that's Shaytan, don't worry about that wow, the difference is to tell somebody that you're really messed up versus you're fine this is Shaytan, don't worry about it okay, yeah, they might have to do their own journey of trying to ignore that but that's a very different starting point then, yeah, this is all coming from you and you just must have had some really bad trauma when you were a kid, go and yell at your parents you know this is a big confusion there are some of the human beings who are there who actually don't know that about the me versus a psychologist who might drop into the love of the person or everything is from Allah's front even including all the things that people do to us from our perspective is also from Allah's front everything is a test from Allah's front you have a choice, you can get lost up in the people that are in front of you or you can think about the one that is in charge of everything so I think we're getting finished on time now so we'll finish with that yeah my wife had prepared the tea so he wants to make sure everyone oh, okay, tea is yes exactly so where should we have the so the brothers can probably go first and then we can be out so the sisters can then go so when they take the tea, where should they go after that outside, there's a place we can just go outside okay, so Miss Mel, if you'd like to help yourself and if you want you can do that yeah, but do you want to just make it the last thing to do sure Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim and peace and blessings of Allah and peace and blessings of Allah and peace and blessings of Allah we ask that you always connect us to you through your creation and through your Qur'an we ask that you teach us the meanings of the Qur'an and give us the ability to act on them and we ask that you teach us the meanings of your creation and teach us to act on them we ask that you grant everybody here opening and tolfiq and shifa we ask that you grant this to all Muslims we ask that you grant us your maqfira and your ridda we ask that you grant this to our parents and to our families and to our teachers to all the Muslims and we ask that all the people that are here in this call that you have sent us to we ask that you guide them to your deen Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim and peace and blessings of Allah