 If you're interested in getting involved in this stuff and haven't got much support, you need to be passionate. You need to be feed income and you need to stick at it. When we first started this in the Brigade, I went and looked at what the Brigade had done in the past. One of the members had done some work with the school kids. Another guy come down from New South Wales from the Royal Fire Service. He did a bit of work with that. Another guy I just like to talk to people. These are the things you can get your members to do. People who got an interest in something, pick up on it and use them. You don't have to use fancy words like community engagement. Brigades have been doing this stuff for years. Adding clones when I was talking to people. What I'd say is we're just going to get on the street and talk to people about preparing their properties for the fire season or else I want to put a stand on the show to do some recruiting or to prepare for the fire season. This way guys understand what you're talking about and you get them on board a lot easier. Initially Brigade members saw this not as our role. Possibly someone else's like Regen or Headquarters or District. But now they're more coming on board and we've got a quite a successful summer fire safety program in place. If you have an event and you only get one person turning up, that's a win. You've had one person there. Some members will say, no, why bother? All that effort for one person. No, but to me though, one person turning up, they'll talk to others. You've got the message out there. It's a one person say you've had a win. Even if no one turns up, you've done only advertising, you're getting out to the community and the community's seeing what the Brigade's actually doing and not just fighting fires. If you're in a small brigade or in a small town, you don't feel it's got the resources to do this sort of work. In the Bendigo area, Lodden Malley formed a group of a number of brigades that are working together to promote community engagement and it's top stuff. The main thing to remember is be passionate about what you do. Expect that it's going to take a while and stick at it.