 Welcome, everyone. It's Jenkins governance meeting for August 11. So we've got Gavin Logan. And a becker. Thanks very much everyone for being here. I had only two items news and DevOps world on the jumbotron. Any other things that need to be on our agenda today. Nope. Okay, cool. And then let's let's go through briefly the news two out 306 was released yesterday. It includes as a noteworthy change. The RPM packaging. Now requires. Now requires the demonize package from the EPL repository. It makes it more consistent with Debian and removes a bunch of legacy code from Java. Next piece of news. Jenkins 2.302.1 LTS is coming with its change to the Docker images JDK elections are coming up in December. And did I get it right this time Oleg and Uli are the two officers, two board members up for election. Yes. Okay, big win. Good. I am teachable contributor summit from June I still have the action item sorry it's carrying forward. It'll be a while before I get to that one. The next topic then was, I submitted a pull request asking for permission to update the jumbotron. This thing right here with the DevOps world announcement and remove the outdated items on it which include things like she code Africa contribute on and CD con and things like that contributor awards. Those could be removed will be removed if this change is approved. Any discussion needed on the proposal. It was approved. I've seen your vote. Yes, I've seen Uli's vote. Yes, I was, I was looking for a third board member to give me a majority and I don't didn't get that third yet, but I think we can ask here and then call it approved. Well, you had zero negative and two positive I think it's yeah it's pretty good. Great. All right. Okay, so we'll consider this approved. Great. Thank you. On that note I also added discourse to the sponsor list. Oh yes, yes, thank you very much. And, and did you see that I use my first poll on to find a meeting time I'm trying to replace doodle dot com with discourse and I'm impressed how well it's working. I really wanted to reply to it but I don't think I'm coming to infer ones anyway so. Oh, and that's for me it was just a, it was a cool experience to see okay now why is it not showing my. Oh here it is poll new time and day and we currently have four voters on it. So the poll is working the way I'd hoped. Yeah. Yeah we still need to add other new sponsors like. I believe AWS needs to be added Oracle cloud needs to be added. Oh, are they all good. Okay, I think the key load drinkers I over quickly go to the very bottom. I sure can. Oh, AWS is definitely there good. I don't see Oracle, but they're, they would be on the on the size of the I the ones down here anyway so I need to get that done. I'm not entirely sure what the difference is in between the sections. Yeah it's it's mostly about financial commitment dollars dollars donated or people donated red hats donated people get hub hosts all of our repositories J frog hosts are artifacts CD foundation pays our rather large infrastructure bills OSL host equipment for us and cloud bees funds people. Yeah, there's like, you know, like, I was thinking. I don't remember what I think there's one one on there I'm like, we're using them a lot of things and but yeah I don't know. Right. So, yeah, good, good. Good point so digital ocean still needs to be added or needs to be added. And they're oh and scale way. Let's just put that action on me. We'd originally given it to Olivier but it's just as easy for me to do it. Any other topics we need to discuss today and in governance. Not really I am drafting up some more discourse stuff. I have some updates to the FAQ I wouldn't like mine getting feedback on special from you Mark because I don't write well. And a draft email to send out the blast again if soon we want to go down the street I think it discourse kind of tapered off so I don't know if that's just because it's summer, or because people are not interested I wish people would tell me, but you know, yeah. Olivier is back next week so we can have a bigger chat next time as well. I think he's back. I don't know when he's back. He is next week. Yeah, next week's the plan. And for me at least it's it's a clear benefit. I know Alyssa Tong really likes discourse strong preference. I think we've, we've been very pleased at least I have with the feedback that we get from blog posts by pasting a link to the discourse page into the blog post and now it's just a good feeling. And then speaking of Olivier Jay frog. It was on the info list is looking at doing is trying to still investigate some of the issues we having with copy artifacts. They realized that we're on an out of date versions they wanted to not create, and that will be arranged when he's back. Oh, okay. Yeah, apparently there was a bug fixed for somebody to do with copy artifacts I don't, I don't know what male list is I'm not too many male if you know which one was in. But yeah apparently they have it's been fixed in one of the more recent ones and we're running an old ones they want to do an upgrade to hope that fixes things. So I don't know when and how and this happening because Olivier is off but it is something that came up. Okay, thank you well and, and that copy artifact performance is is not critical for typical releases, but becomes critical for security releases. So 2.302.1 is not a security release. Therefore we're okay for August 25 but predictably there will be something in the 302 line that probably has a security fix at some point. Reminds me, I mean, I'm sure a day frog will eventually want to have an outage to do this. Do we link status page anyway is that something that's super public yet. Good question links. I'm not sure that we've, we've described it in a number of places but we should probably put links to status dot Jenkins.io on on a number of places that we don't have them currently. Because I was thinking about how there was a discussion, I think it might have been the devil 11 one about how we're doing announcements and stuff like that so we don't have a formal policy on how where when how what we're doing for any sort of announcements that affect users. So, you know, the architecture being down for half an hour, not the end of the world but would affect users you know like that kind of thing. Right. So it is something we should think longer term about how we want to do. So we've, we've used blog posts in the past to announce outages like that. But I'm not sure how effective that is. Yeah, we can continue that and in addition, add announcements on status dot Jenkins that I owe because it has the concept of a scheduled outage if I remember right. I don't know. There's just something else thinking about this. So, talking about Jay frog reminded me of a possible outage reminded me of status pages which reminded me about announcements so yeah good yes. Okay, then I think I'm good for my list, not list the non list. Okay, excellent. Okay. Any other topics. All right, I guess the general one of always, if no one can make this time slot you want to make a new time slot. I love this time slot. I really do. Well, and I think, I think for me the magic is it works for you and it works for Uli Oleg's off anyway. Right and and he's he wouldn't be available at any time slot he's right now busy with his little boy doing childcare so like how to commit to any meetings beyond, beyond hours Wednesday and Thursday 7am to 3pm. Right, his, his time which is way outside of West Coast US. I haven't looked at the, I don't do math that well so yeah okay. So it's it's a valid question for this meeting, but for me right now. This meeting works well and it hits you and it hits Uli I, I would love for it to work for Evelina, but I also understand it's hey it's August in Europe. Yeah. It's holiday season. Exactly this is for me as well. Oh good. Enjoy enjoy your holidays that's great. I think we can reconsider the question in September. All right, let's change that from what to need do we need a new different time slot. Ah, good, because we don't want one, but we might be good. Very good, valid point. Okay. Any, anything else. Nope early lunch for me then. Thanks everybody. Okay, everybody. Okay, recording will be posted when I get to it. Sorry for the delays but my recording backlog is behind. Ciao.