 Mwa mouzikatia mwzi muna muka tingперu. Manihonan mwzi minkijatia mta kwa. Haise kwa mwa mhasu tlupia wakπu TATU. Mwzi mouzikata na mndi, mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mndi Rwanyan yam h terreza m dwikfi kwa mwzi mwa. Kwa mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi mwzi. Wasilinga mwa alilinya. He natsahita mwzi mwzi mwzi nmwzi wakfu ttye. Buxing is unmerged and he wants to put in place structures to ensure that boxing gets to another level. Of course, it's Jamal, but you know, umboku. President, wipi? Sala mga bisa. Ugo witi? Na shkuru. Ume piga luku ya ki boki. Lila champion. Champion? Ya. Kidogo studio wa tu kimbi eju jab bineza. I can't do that. Ya. How you been? My name is Antonio, that's my name. Jamal jyasa, nickname. Buxing nickname? No. How did the name come about? It's a long story. Long story for another day. Yes. And we also joined by former boxer, Duncan Kurya, also known as Yugaree, wipi. Ah, president, I want to ask Maxwell. Kosala mga. Niko poka bisa. Elections, 28th, are there elections of the annual elections? Elections will be held on 28th of June 2019 at Kasarani at 10 a.m. There are other opposing forces saying that the date for elections is strongly set. Why? No, elections have been set and actually the people who set the executive members of the BAK, they called a council meeting which was held at Serena hotel. We came up with minutes. The minutes were forwarded to all the relevant government departments including the office of Madam Sports Registrar, who had stopped another election because the election was meant to be done in May, May 28th. So Madam Registrar requested us to extend the period by one month so that members can comply. And this, when I talk to members, I'm talking about county associations who are members of BAK Federation. Yes. So we were requested to extend the period by 28 days, which we did by 30 days. So by all accounts, the elections are going to go ahead on 28th, which is Friday next week. Jamal, you are on ballot. You are seeking to get elected the president. You are the favorite. But you are receiving, you know, Steve's competition from Amman, who had indicated that he's vying, but he resended his decision. That is John Kameda, the outgoing president. He says that he will be on the ballot again. But just before we get into that, I know you people have been criss-crossing several parts of the country trying to take Ndondi Machinan initiative at the grassroot. How is the reception from the locals, especially in Viga and Busia? As I can say, our team, because it's not a one-man show, we work as a team. That's called Team Jamal. We have criss-cross all over the countries. The count is which has boxing. We've done, like, giving out equipments, taking equipment to a kitchen and every club. And what we want to do to bring the change to boxing is to bring boxing to institutions, learning institutions like schools, colleges and all that. We need to nurture talent from the young age. Yes. And we have so much talent in boxing. In Busia, just the other day, there was overwhelming crowd of boxing. And you can see now boxing is coming back where it was. The reception from the locals, do you think they are passionate and looking forward to the new dawn that you are preaching as you traverse several parts of the country? Definitely. Now boxing is coming up. You see, another leadership of our outgoing, let me call it outgoing president. You need to work as one-man show. That was the problem. But now, under my leadership, because I work as a team, there are some things that I don't know, that Shuga knows. There are some things that some of you guys don't know. We have people like Nene. They have been boxing for all over the years. They advise you that you can do this and you can change the boxing. That's the only thing that we need in boxing, teamwork. So, what you are trying to say is that you will exercise inclusivity and bring like-minded stakeholders of boxing together so that they can put in place mechanisms that will restore the lost glory of the sport. Definitely. Shugare, as a former international boxer, do you think the welfare of former boxers has been addressed? Because going by the plight of former boxers Liman Bilalik and Justina are changing something must have gone wrong somewhere. What do you attribute this to? I think your question, the plight has not been addressed properly. We have had many cases, apart from the ones that you have mentioned, of former boxers who are living in abject poverty. Yes. They used to be internationals. They represented this country flu, the Kenyan flag, very high. But as time went by, I think out of not preparing for life after boxing, they ended up being miserable people in the society and they actually tanish the image of the sport because there are so many, people associate boxing with the negativity around their lifestyle. I think all this goes down to the leadership of the federation because the federation in the subsequent years never took attention of giving these people life skills. Somebody was employed probably in the armed forces or Kenya police and you see now these guys when they are employed in the forces, they don't work, they are actually on full time release most of the time. When they retire from their jobs, the only thing they knew was boxing and with new changes that are coming up every other time now there is age limit in how much boxing, where if you get to 40 years, then you stop participating in boxing. In some of the forces teams, they were not allowing their boxers to turn professional. So we had a backlog where we find our boxers are taking so much time before they graduate to professional level and that means they cannot continue earning a living out of the sport. In the process we have so many many cases of boxers who are living miserable lives but we are thinking of starting a program with Tim Jamal if he wins, not if when he wins whereby we are going to work together with him to open a welfare association we are going to call it Kenya Boxers Welfare Association where we can try and get resources and create employment opportunities for these former boxers at least to operate as coaches in different clubs which we are proposing to open because all the former social halls like here in Nairobi the social halls that were there some of them were converted to be churches and doing businesses and we want to revive the sport in the grassroot and we want to second these former boxers to go and impart knowledge to the youths in the clubs at the grassroot level At the moment we have a lot of county associations which have come up as a result of the evolution because Sports Act devolved the sport basically to the counties so formally boxing was structured in the form of the former provinces now we have to go down to the county level and Tim Jamal has gone around the country distributing resources in terms of equipment to the different clubs these clubs will require qualified coaches to impart knowledge to the youths and young boxers that are coming up within the counties and so we are thinking that will be the best way to utilize the former boxers who have got the skill of the sport but they have been left just to live miserable life they are not involved in the sport at all when you come to matters to do with the referee and judging they are also not involved there so basically the knowledge that they had which they acquired over the years is being misused or rather it's not being utilized at all and we are thinking that is a waste of resource that is very important in terms of nurturing talent in the country now your campaign manifesto revolves around don't even machinani what is this initiative all about? first we have to add up on what Sugar said not only coaching will do we need to do entrepreneurship for these guys we need to educate them about business you know me, I'm a businessman you can take some coaches and some guys after learning to the welfare so that they can do business they open small business and continue another thing we need to do is to put insurance for these boxers we have so many companies insurance we can partner with them and they can offer affordable amount you know box on the ring and after that accidentally you can get hurt so it will cater for the insurance now going back to what you said about don't even machinani don't even machinani is real something that will happen we have so many things that we are going to do after me getting through the office we have been approached with so many corporate who have said they are interested in boxing but they want to see how we participate in boxing first after that you will see for yourself transparency and accountability has been you know the main and doings in various sporting federations and several corporates have shied away from coming on board to partner with the local federations because of lack of corporate confidence do you think under your helm BAK will attract sponsorships from local corporates because I said I am a businessman accountability is the key you must account to each and every coin you see as in boxing this is not rocket science you take the boxers to the hotel and you go and play that's all and our leadership account for each and every penny that we are going to be sponsored by any organization so they are well fair their interest will be well catered for as well under your leadership it has also been claimed that most people when they are campaigning immediately decent a blueprint but immediately they get elected they change boxing fraternity for those who are watching they should not expect something of that sort from you max with my background I have been into my rocket industry before I have taken boys from a period of becoming bad guys to good guys I want you to watch this space and my leadership will be fine that's what I assure you maybe talk to us with regards to how you seek to partner with the county because I understand Suleiman Bilalifoma Boxer he went through some rehabilitation program that you spearheaded and congestion as well in partnership with the county how is the situation going to you know, pan out when now you are sent to power fissure there have been stories running out of the media congestion is not going well is in shags, taking alcohol even Bilali but let me tell you one thing right now congestion is in Mombasa at a rehab Bilali is at a rehab in Parklands we had a story on keto radio saying that Bilali is out drinking you see rehabilitation is a process it's not a one thing you need to do it gradually so it's a process we know we will revive others and there are so many people who are languishing in poverty we are going to do it slowly by slowly we will bring back the growth of boxing back to it and regard of our boxers who are not doing very well we will put a welfare as Shuga said and let me tell you one thing we will work each and every two steps of boxers who are heroes of Kenya and they will be back to where they were Shugare let's talk about now the integrities of election it's on 28th Jamal Otieno and John Kameda are the two candidates on the ballot but what are the dynamics of this poll they have attracted huge stakes and a lot of interest associated with the same considering that probably a much boxing aspect of the sport is integral part of boxing in general even it's a feeder system to pro why are the stakes too high this time round I think the stakes are very high because first I think the entry of Jamal changed the game totally when Jamal came on board he has done what many have never done ever since because before he is even elected into office he has gone across the country distributing equipments using his own resources that is something that has never been done ever we have been able to hold championships in the country for instance he was able to fund the national novices which were done at Chata Hall for the first time ever in this country he was able to fund the national intermediate which were done in Thika we did the first leg of the no before that we did Kenya Open at Chata Hall again which was very successful we were able to hold the first leg of the national league in Nakuru and at the Madison Square and then eventually we have done the second leg of the national league in Bungoma so I think the effect of Jamal is being felt across the country and I think that one is also now spreading the fear to those who are opposing him the main reason why people are being maybe it's generating a lot of interest could be because the those who the incumbents have overstayed in the office for more than two years boxing elections were supposed to be held in May 2017 we are now in 2019 June why that long extension technically somebody is in office illegally can you imagine if in this country election is supposed to be done in 2022 so 2022 imagine we don't do elections and then we overstay for two years there will be no peace in this country but in boxing it has been allowed to continue that way but at least finally now we have serious initiative whereby elections have been organized the government has sanctioned the sports registrar I have seen a communication by sports registrar confirming that she will be coming to observe the elections on 28th and so I am hoping the long period in which nothing much was happening in the federation is coming to an end because we are going to have a team which has got a clear mandate to run the sport in the country so hopefully on 28th the mass that is in boxing in the country comes to an end and we start preparing our team for all african games which are supposed to be held in moroko sometimes in august and we only have about a month and talking about all african games I understand athletics Kenya is conducting their trials this particular weekend at kasarani stadium boxing there were two concurrent events one happening at the charter hall and another one happening at the bamburi beach why the concurrents yet only one team is supposed to present the country this one is all about I told you it is all about one man show it is Kamehita who decided to bring another he says his activities are coconutized by Aiba though you are supposed to there are laws in Kenya so we made a calendar a one event calendar a unified calendar he is the one who split the calendar but let me tell you after election we are going to go to I am telling I am not showing you we are going to go to moroko we will do a good selection and you will see you will be there to witness and when this selection is conducted are you also seeking incorporating the other boxers closely associated with Kamehita who is the outgoing president boxers will not be hurt in these rangles we will incorporate each and every boxer if you are good you will go we will do a very good after the election we will sit down and do another selection a good one maybe just to add on what you have just said it needs to be understood that boxers don't vote in the boxing elections they are actually delegates that you know the leadership of their teams for instance the people you are talking about is only two which is KDF and Kenya prison and to the best of my knowledge KDF is likely to get a certificate and therefore they will qualify to participate in the election but prison they have a challenge one of the officers whom is supposed to be a delegate when seeking for registration in registrar's office retired from the service prison so they are seeking to replace that one and I think it will be at all order so probably prison might not be able to participate in the election but the boxers from those organizations are not going to suffer any harm out of the political mess by their leaders someone is asking via Twitter handle Felix Okura watching from Rungainakuru is telling me to ask Jamal as how much a wing of boxing how do you seek working with KPBC you Kenya professional boxing commission I think he meant that how do you seek working with KPBC wing for the growth of the sport because those are two wings but affiliated to boxing this is a problem now you see from how much you become a professional and for the look of things people are not participating in boxing that can match our talents to come from Mamacha to become a professional as we go on and our manifesto we will do inter clubs inter counties and even go further so after as you guys said if you reach 40 you are not supposed to be a match again and we are going to have good working relationship with the professional boxing because we already have good working relationship so I hope I know and have a leadership we will work properly with them Rock Promotions has not been closely associated with how much a boxing it is in pro but what do you make of the practice in the country do you think the rock promoters are reaping the sweat that belongs to a boxer who sweats in the ring you say a boxer I can't comment as a boxer because someone is commenting here you see for our audience they think probably it's something that cuts across I think it's a problem that has been affecting the professional sport for some time because first we don't have enough number of promoters but then the few ones who are there or who have been there have mismanaged the sport for some time we have had many cases where maybe boxers come from abroad when they come and participate here they are left stranded in their hotels they are not paid they don't know how they will go back to their respective countries so those are cases that we have heard about but we think it's just a matter of mismanagement and which I'm thinking KPBC should be able to handle going forward because when they promote bouts here those bouts are supposed to be sanctioned by KPBC so ideally KPBC should be able to regulate that kind of behavior because in an ideal setup ideally what I understand with the professional boxing they are supposed to receive the money the boxers are supposed to be paid two weeks before the event but in most cases you find some of these rock promoters they exploit that avenue whereby they don't give the money to the commission two weeks prior to such that boxers get into the ring without knowing for sure how they will get their money that's where the problem is but we are thinking if with the new team in KPBC they are introducing a sense of professionalism in the sport and going forward of course now the cases have reduced in terms of complaints of boxers being mistreated boxers getting into fights contracts that's another issue that has been happening in professional boxing but we are thinking with the new team we think that will be corrected there's something you had asked Jamal about the link between professional and amateur in an ideal setup boxers are supposed to start at the amateur level so that they grow in the sport you can grow up to the level maybe you represent Kenya but you need to go to the Olympic level once you get to the Olympic level you don't have anything much because the Olympic is the highest level you can go after the Olympic level regardless of your age you can turn professional and go on some money out of your talent which is now professional boxing ideally that's how it should be because we have cases across the world we have a boxer from Cuba who is a two times Olympic champion flyweight he is 24 years and he has won two Olympic gold medals that's how it should be but the problem in Kenya people overstaying in amateur somebody wants to go for three olympics that is 12 years you are staying at that level so you find the people who are representing the country at that level national team level our depth is not good those who are at the top level but we don't have enough numbers to replace those ones who are there so that because of this age of course it will get a time when these people will go out then you don't have others to replace or to take their place and represent effectively because the issue is not just to get numbers to represent is to take people who are going there to compete and win medals Jamal someone is asking about the facilities I don't know whether you are the relevant person because just like in other sporting discipline we've seen Nick Muendua who is the FKF boss saying that when Kenya missed out on hosting chan at ornamentment for local best players because of lack of equipped facilities someone is asking with regards to the social holes within Nairobi how do you see going about renovating them so that they can look in good shape and the relationship of Meksanku I know you'll be able to to renovate all this hall but you see in boxing we don't need things, we just need a ring and equipment but we've talked to him he said he's going to renovate all the social holes and you know they've been out of boxing so other holes have been turned to churches business premises reputation centers but we know for sure if we revive boxing they'll come back to boxing Boxing and non-demachine initiative you've been in a few counties that's the cradle land of boxing do you seek crisscrossing everywhere so that it's sort of a national outlook initiative yes we want to go we want to raise kajado after the elections there's even in Mbu there's boxing, there are coming clubs we will crisscross over the country we even go to Kariza we know there are some crazy ladies who can box why not? you are parting shorts and your final thoughts with regards to your ambition besides non-imagine and initiative, what else do you seek to do for the boxing in case elected BAK president what I need to say to the fans that will bring back the glory of boxing where it goes and we ask the boxers to keep on training because they are going for Shugare mine I think is just to urge the fans of the sport to be coming out in numbers for this period we want them to be calm we are going for elections we are hoping to have free, fair and credible elections and by the way they will be managed by IABC so we are hoping to have a claim process whereby we are going to get our leaders and then going forward we are going to roll out programs to promote this sport across the country like Jamal has just mentioned so far we have about 17 counties involved in boxing and we have seen some interest from other counties which for the time being they are not recognizing the structure of the federation for instance there is a lady who keeps coming for about from Wasengishu and we don't have a club in Wasengishu but we always encourage her whenever she comes we allow her to participate so that shows you there is an urge to have this sport in as many counties so we need to take this sport through the people so that it's just taken just like any other sport we also want to take boxing back to schools we need schools to be involved just like the way we have ball games for the schools boxing used to be at that level you know we used to hear mawego technical or kabete we used to have boxing it died and I'm thinking that's a challenge to do with leadership so we need to take boxing to the grass fruit and it goes without boxing is the second most popular sport in terms of bringing medals to the country second to athletics no any other comes close so we need to revive the sport and be as vibrant as possible and with the leadership of Tim Jamal what about sky is the limit before I let you Jamal Edson Odwar from Rongo is asking in case you get elected would you would you bring on board the other opponents that's probably meaning John Kameda so that there is inclusivity in terms of agenda for the sport because probably you also have agenda that is six to implement in case elected so would you go that route we will cooperate with him there is no problem that's all we will do you will bring him on board as well you see him to explain how on board how I don't know what he meant but probably he meant he meant the manifesto of the agenda the agenda I think I will bring him on board gentlemen thanks for coming through we are going to wind up but before we do I know football just like boxing all sports we are passionate about but Kenya is participating in the continental it will be playing at Jere in their first game tomorrow Jamal what are your thoughts on Kenya's performance and expectation we are going to play for Kenyans we are not a football fan but we are going to play for Kenyans so it's about prayers Tugare no it's not just about prayers prayers are very important I come from I grew up in the same state as the captain of our ampestas the lion of Mudurwa Dallas is in boxing called Dallas so I want to wish our ampestas all the best of course we are in a very tough pool I know we are starting with Algeria with Maris there 50-50 that's why Jamal is saying that prayer now again we meet when you meet Zerego the first match Sanya will be participating in since his band the match again is Tanzania that one is not winable to us the best you can do there may be a draw so I am not very hopeful but you know we underestimating Tanzania that is the team we need to beat by all means maybe if you can qualify as one of the best third teams in my opinion that would be good enough looking forward to that it's been a pleasure speaking to you Jamal on Bok Oteeno BAK presidential candidate in the upcoming polls for next week on 28th June and former boxer Dan Kankuria also known as Shugare joining us to dissect about boxing association of Kenya elections and what they seek to do for the sport in case they are sent to power in a few days from now to speak we are going to be looking forward to see don't emulate on politicians who promise but when it comes to execution it's another affair thank you for joining us of course it's the touchline on Y2F my name is Maxwell Waseke up next I'm being joined by Robas Dua Simon call him Simon it's Samim Muraya alongside of course Tira Zwayaki still in the building to dissect about AFKON and the build up for weekend matches don't go away stay tuned it's the touchline