 So you said that you disagree. You have agreed to disagree on Kosovo Can you be more specific on the exact nature of the of the disagreement as of today? You you have devoted the audience to have a fight here No, no, no, no, I will interpose myself. I'm very afraid you'll not succeed No, it's now I will be Going one step forward and then she will follow No, it's the history is known and Nowadays Kosovo is a Republic that is recognized by many countries and of course the United States and many of the European countries friends and others have recognized it and in the same time There are other countries that have not But it's a reality. So it's there. It's working like independent sovereign state with its own with its own Institutions and of course and I am very happy to say with a very admirable model of respect for minorities first and foremost the Serbian minority who is represented in Parliament with running in government So my my Conviction has always been and this still is that by recognizing Kosovo Serbia will make a major step forward and will practically overcome a burden of The past that is an impediment to look to the future with kind of Less Less of this burden, of course, this is Our side is my side, but in the same time I have to recognize before Anna takes the floor that there is an effort which is considerable on the Serbian side by the President first and foremost to open a dialogue within the country about going forward in this process and to somehow Consider that in this process There is a need to not To not keep going in the position that this is it There is nothing to do We want all of it. So this is a bit what he's trying to do and I respect it very much. It's painful It's not easy Tradition is not helping that regard but sooner the better The solution will would I think relax fundamentally Everything and everyone and The last point I have to say is now The our main main our major Challenge and problem is not with each other Is with you? so we happened to be in in Situation where when the you was in a very good shape and was ready. We were the bad guys Now we are the good guys, but you is not anymore in good shape So I don't know where and when we will find each other in the situation to be both sides ready to to embrace because it's going like We want to marry you, but we don't want to negotiate with you We don't want to talk with you because we have some some problems. So we are candidates to marry But we're not talking. So I hope this this will come soon Well, of course, not all European countries recognized Kosovo in particular Spain if I am not mistaken for reasons that everybody understand better today But before I give the floor to madam prime minister frankly speaking Frankly speaking, do you think that so far the history of the independent Kosovo is a success story In what in what do you mean by that? Well in in all aspects, you know security Trafficking of all kinds and stability No, I think first of all, it's a new state. So and let me tell you very frankly it has become kind of very easy trends to connect corruption and crime and trafficking and all this with the Balkans and It's very easy also for everyone that want to not have headaches about enlargement not to have headaches about Getting more countries in the table to just jump on that. I want to say to you one thing and I'll stop I saw report of the European Commission on corruption within you The numbers are bigger than the GDP of all our countries. So now I accept to be criticized on that because the nature of corruption in our countries is different in the sense that it has a lot to do with Institutions that need to be stronger and with modernization with the state as a modern entity which we'd which we don't have yet as Friends or as Germany or others have because you know It has been worked far long ago to have what you have now Which was not the case to us, but I would like you know to state that Yes, we have problems with crime with pros corruption with pros with all But nor the Balkans either Albania or Kosovo are the fatherland of crime and of corruption So if we'll then try to find the fatherland, I don't know if it is one But it is not in the Balkans. It is not in Albania. It's not in Kosovo Thank you very much madam Prime Minister, I have Visited myself Serbia and Kosovo have been there including the shanty male. I don't know how it's called in English Shandy male the shanty male You you said I speak French better than you It's supposed to be the cradle of Serbia. It is the battle which is considered to be The source of the origin of the Serbia is is this separation still considered as a terrible wound The Kosovo issue is still as sensitive as it was. I would say 10 years ago My impression is that it's it's a bit. It was a bit soft But maybe I'm wrong. I Think it's still very very sensitive and it will I I think it will always be a very very emotional issue for Serbia. I mean the the Center of our Church of the Serbian Orthodox Church is has been in Kosovo it's been in medieval times, you know the The capital has been in Kosovo and all of these places still carry the same name So whenever you look at the map it, you know that reminds you of The cradle as you said the cradle of Serbia. It's a very very emotional issue. We are trying to be Flexible and we are you know where we are trying not to look at Look at it from the emotional point of view because We all know where the emotions took us in the past. So we are trying to be very pragmatic, but as of The status of Kosovo for us. I have to admit is it's a very very straightforward issue It's a very straightforward issue. It's a matter of the international law and the international law with that is very clear and we've always kept saying that if you if you recognize the unilaterally Declaration of independence of Kosovo you will open Pandora's box and That that is exactly what is happening today and you know we Spanish are our great friend and we are keeping calm and quiet in order not to really get this into this situation between In Spain with Catalonia to to blow out of the proportion Proportion, but that is what happens when you basically do not respect the international law and you blur the boundaries You know and Serbia has been very clear about that, you know, we had then Crimea We are recognizing the Sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine Although we have a very close and very good relationship with Russia because it's in line with the international law So, you know, we are getting into a very difficult very very complex place when you're not Recognizing the international law and that is what we have been kept saying and that's what's what's basically Becoming more and more apparent and I think unfortunately that Europe finally Europe has came out of a very difficult period with We're after Brexit with all of the all of the important Elections in in Germany in France in Austria and in Netherlands, you know and came out with a stronger Europe But then this thing in Spain happened. So, you know, we again say, you know go back to the international law and you know by Respecting the international law, we will all be in a more stable more secure place. So that's basically What we've been kept saying but the what's also important is that We have what we have today and and and again also the Serbs in Kosovo have been very Proved to be very responsible politicians and the basically joined the current government in Pristina because first and foremost We have to think about the quality of life and the security and the safety of all people living there So maintaining that I don't think Serbia can ever recognize independence of Kosovo because again, we think that would even further open the Pandora's box We are deeply committed to right now thinking about the quality of life of all the people in in in Kosovo Well, I think that many outside the analyst Agree that from the international law viewpoint. There is a real issue. I mean, that's a but We're not going to talk about about that here I suggested to switch to the European Union and the aspiration that both Countries Serbian Albania have to join the European Union at some stage now the question is Is it will will these problems the Kosovo problem will it be dissolved in the in the in the European Union if the European Union enlarges further to include to integrate both the countries or Will it be the reverse that is the beginning of this intake or more this Disintegration of the European Union that's a very serious issue because after the collapse of the Soviet Union we have been we have had to enlarge very very quickly and that's one major reason for the current difficulties of the European Union we have been in a way forced to enlarge too fast and Today there is a degree of heterogeneity within the European Union and governance issues, which are quite difficult to overcome So in fact the Prime Minister Rama alluded to that a few minutes ago So my question to both of you is how What do you do you you say that you will never the Soviet will never recognize Kosovo? Of course this never Depends on the historical further further historical developments including the European Union So can we now ask both of you how you see your own? Food show with the European Union. What should we do by the way the European Union today? and How could we have a process that gradually over time would allow to Smoothly remove the problem though First of all, I would say that it's a different historical moment and Comparing the fast enlargement of the beginning with the needs to complete the process Is not very accurate. I would say it's not about enlargement in this case. It's about completion because of many reasons, but I would I would Try to concentrate them in the first and foremost strategic need for Europe to complete And to not let the Balkans Stay like a gray zone where other actors can have their hands and can promote Their agendas and can create disruption because Secondly, we live in a time where as the Very distinguished friend of this world's conference forum policy the patriarch remembers Is also very much connected with How different religions live together and how different communities with different faiths succeed to not disrupt and Let not forget that the Balkans are the most diverse area in Europe in terms of religious religion so The Muslims in the Balkans are the most let's say pro-European Muslims you can find in the Muslim world and the American Muslims are the most pro-American so our Muslims are more pro-American than Texans but it's not something that may stay there forever and it has not it has not to be taken for granted because others are also trying to so radicalism and disruption In different ways can come and then will be as it has always been not just the Balkan problem But the European problem will be a problem for Europe and thirdly It's also very important to complete the project exactly exactly for the same reason that Anti-European or anti-largement or whatever anti are Trying to say Exactly for more safe and secure Europe for more safe and secure friends or Germany or whatever The Balkans need to be part of this project because Otherwise they they risk to be platforms for different disruption. So this is strategic on the other hand I understand and we understand that having all the headaches and having all the problems Europe is facing with new Commerce it's not very It's not very sexy to imagine To extend the table with Serbs and Albanians and Macedonians and others that will come and will go will make the family go beyond the 30 members and then Imagine to have Albanians or serve vetoing something. I know it's not, you know But in the same time It's exactly the reason why Europe has to reform and has to change we fully I fully understand I fully agree I I Am fully sympathetic with what President Macron is trying to promote as a different way of making the union work because Let's face it, you know, it can't be like the grandfather or the grandmother You know who they might be in the European Union context and then the parents and then the children have the same vote And then you have a kid there saying no I veto you so no budget for the family I understand it. We understand it, but in the same time what I can't understand is the non Negotiation between Europe European Union and Albania yet or Macedonia or The other the other countries that are non-negotiate Serbia is negotiating and Montenegro is negotiating with all the But we are in a position that we are you EU candidate country So we are candidates to marry. We are told that we will marry and we are being told what we will not talk So how this will happen because negotiating is not enlarging so it's not of any obligation They they can say okay. We're negotiating. You are not ready So you have to do this and that and that and then I'll see again, but not talking is completely It's completely ununderstandable So this is a bit the picture Madam Firstly I completely agree with with Eddie. I think I think that Southeast Europe war is as we now usually refer to it the West Western Balkans Needs EU at the same time. I think that EU needs Western Balkans. I think probably equally because of the because of the also safety and and and security And because it will make Europe whole So Serbia is has started the negotiations. We've now opened 10 chapters out of 35 we hope to have 3 to 5 more opened by the end of the year, but we Fully support that EU starts negotiations with with Albania as soon as possible because I think it's important for the region It's a good signal. It's a good signal for all the citizens of the Western Balkans Which are are trying to reform the society is The first and foremost in order to economically Progress and and and do better, but also in terms of social reforms More efficient judiciary rule of law and so on and so forth. So so I think it's very very important That that the negotiations also start especially with Albania We will obviously try to proceed in the in this EU accession process as as soon as possible But to again go back to what's really important And that's that's not really the pace at which we're opening and closing these chapters It's basically the pace at which we are actually implementing the reforms and at which we are actually having macroeconomic stability fiscal stability and fiscal discipline We have efficient and transparent public administration because that is Public administration that is citizen focused We have the rule of law in terms of efficient judiciary all of that is important first and foremost for us and our citizens and our businesses and then Consequently, it also leads us to the EU. So I think we should we should change because of ourselves but again to reiterate I think The the region needs Europe, but Europe also needs region And I think that's basically how how we should we should talk about all of that and I think you know what will lead This is regional stability, which is why I think the Berlin process is extremely important and what will lead the regional stability is going to be Economy and and and business and basically This regional economic area that we are now working on and again to go back to to the relationship within, you know Kosovo and Serbia and Europe and Albania is that with all of the political difficulties actually the Serbian Chamber of Commerce was the one who actually Helped the Kosovo Chamber of Commerce joined the European and international Chamber of Commerce And the Serbian Chamber of Commerce is also there that our presence a very good friend of mr. Rama is often in Albania and you know, this is I think the economic Relationship and and cooperation is certainly something that Will lead the way and we and I think they're the Politicians and the politics should follow