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We've talked about it in a previous episode however There are times when the pump is not what you're seeking and that's okay because The types of workouts that don't necessarily provide or produce the best pump Can sometimes also be extremely productive in terms of giving you great results for example This morning I did a old-school five by five workout. That's not gonna give me a pump like supersets or You know sets of 12 or squeezing and stretching and all that stuff I'm not doing many isolation movements, you know, it's like bench press row overhead press that kind of stuff but Lots of value, you know when I do those kind of workouts at the right time I get I build muscle I get stronger so it's important to talk about that because I think you can go in one direction fall in love with it and forget That there's value are there other examples like where you are obviously athletic performance It is not ideal to get a pump. No, but what else powerlifting you don't really care, right? The goal is to you don't care. You don't care But does it really hinder you much that doesn't hinder you not like athletic performance Oh, I hear you saying yeah, like where it is hinders, right? Yeah, where is that? Where is the the pump? You know not good for training. Oh, well that's like a performance Oh, it has to be that but I can't think of another time where it would be a problem, right? That's the only thing that comes in a little smaller Said nobody No, that's true. I've actually trained athletes. I never forget my very first client ever told this to me I was baffled. I was a new trainer and I got this motocross racer, which you know I didn't know at the time. I was like, oh, yeah, that's a sport and he says Yeah, my number one goal is to train my grip and my forearms So I said, oh, I know how to do all that, you know, there's lots of exercises and I said So what's the issue? And he goes well about halfway through my races My and he didn't say the pump because he wasn't in with the lingo, right? He says my forearms get so tight and I lose the dexterity of my hands and their function Yeah, and I'm like you mean like they get pumped. He goes. Yeah, exactly I'm like, what you I got to train you in a way to so you don't get a pump Yeah, I experienced in jiu-jitsu and judo for sure Like when that would hit forget it grabbing on the gi and doing anything. Yeah. Oh, yeah You ever try rock climbing like that was an experience. I'd be killer I was like immediate like pump that like made it so I couldn't even keep going or grabbing things properly So I noticed it there for sure. No, no, I mean what I was referring to really is just some workouts If you get a pump grade if you don't doesn't mean you had a bad workout like strength focused type of work No, I it's a good point to bring it up because I was very attached to that in my early years of training like the pump And a lot of that is the this the superficial idea that you have gotten bigger today You know I'm saying and so as a young a young boy that was training to get bigger and wanted to be bigger You know a lot of my workout was like, okay, I look awesome today So I was chasing that feeling and that look And if I didn't get that I'd felt Discouraged about the workout if I left and I didn't get this super aired up feeling I would leave the workout sometimes I feel like I was an okay workout when in reality That could have been the best workout for me at the time or even better than some of the workouts that I done chasing the pump And so I think a lot of people probably get sucked into that same thing, especially if you were in you get addicted to it Yeah, it was trying to get big, you know, yeah, if you're not building that foundational strength, you know to keep kind of moving You know build mass, you know beneath that it's like, you know, it's gonna be fleeting after well I still think it's it's so fascinating to me that and we've I've brought this up several times on the show I know Sally we've kind of speculated on what's happening and there's a lot of theories and ideas But I don't think we have any like exactly what's happened But there's definitely something that I have noticed when I have started to focus on strength training More so than hypertrophy training and that is that the muscles then tends to look like it hangs around all day versus When I'd always trained for the pump meaning like I'd get this massive pump I'd look the biggest ever but as soon as I walk out of the gym an hour later and I deflate I go back down to this this this skinny version of me still where and I train like that for years And then when I really started to strength train what I noticed was I may not have aired up as much But then the muscle that I bell it didn't matter if I was pumped up or not I could see that I was more muscular or bigger in the middle of the day, which I think is really interesting Yeah, the old-school Bodybuilders would say that the heavy training produced a granite hard Muscle so like a granite hard look and then the pump training gave you the Bubbly yeah billowy kind of round-looking muscles and the old-school bodybuilders would incorporate both I've brought this up before where Arnold used to do Like a cycle now majority of a training to be fair was more of that bodybuilding training but he would do in cycle of Pure strength training and he said it always gave him more kind of a granite look and they would write about this in magazines And this was all speculation, you know, what's the science behind it? I guess we could speculate and say one causes more muscle fiber growth and the other one causes more Circle-plasmic growth all that fluid and stuff that's in muscle obviously both of them There's a lot of crossover and they contribute to each other So I think they're both important But I noticed the same thing like when I really got into deadlifting I mean you're not gonna get a huge pump when you deadlift especially if you do it in low reps But I got this really hard kind of strong muscular back from it Never got a back pump really from deadlifting not like doing higher, you know rep pull downs or rows me either but I The greatest back pump I've ever had in my life is heavy deadlifting and then afterwards do oh What a good point and then going to do lap what a good point that's pump I've I've ever had on my I notice the same thing is is that combination So it's like the strength you don't get the pump or you're pulling heavy. Yes, then you go to the more hypertrophy Yes, absolutely and those two specific actually it became like what am I and I remember I just kind of fell on it Like it wasn't like something that I had was think it was going in with that intent I just I haven't done a lot. I was heavy deadlifting This was during the time when I was really trying to push the weight and deadlift and that was the main focus strength focused And then after I'd done like you know four or five sets I was like, oh, you know, I'm gonna go do some lap pull down It's been a while since I've done that and I just had the most of me and after that that became like my favorite thing Yeah, the thing we always talk about right you I like it I'm doing it for the next seven months every time I did that I did lap pull down for it because my back Had this I've never felt my back my entire back pumped Right, right like when you do certain back exercises You feel the lats the traps a little more maybe rhomboids or maybe your low back like but I felt like the entire back Felt like it was yeah, I've had the same experience. It must be that muscle recruitment process, right? So you're getting more muscle fibers were connected and then we're pumping them, you know immediately after that It almost seems like I try to wrap my brain around exactly why that was why it was so effective I can't think of an exercise that creates more tension and load on the whole back than a deadlift Right gonna pull 500 pounds. You don't do 500 pounds of anything with your back, right? Right besides a deadlift So it's got to be something like that right has to be well Especially since it really lights up the low back more so than almost any other back exercise, right? That you're doing something like hyperextensions like yeah, so oh so I want to tell you guys so my kids graduated to Actual supplements, so I was for a while there. I was giving them like gummy You know, right because I didn't I didn't I'd give them things to like a capsule or a pill to swallow See, I always thought to I'm like we didn't have those we were kids But like we had we had like shitty cough syrup that was just like taste like all sugar Flintstones remember with But doesn't taste like I mean the garbage tastes like vitamins. Yeah, did your parents give you guys Flintstones? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so do mine. Yeah, you know my mom I had the horse pills. She gave me Oh you had the legit I was like Choking my way down. No wonder. You're such a beast. Yeah. We had training Adam. Yeah, I had the ones that thought we're candy I was eating like five or six. No, you were My mom gave we had Flintstone vitamins and then she gave me God, what's it called? Carnation instant breakfast or something. Oh, yeah, I had all the vitamins in my mouth And then she bought like a fast type of shit like oval teen like yeah, that was like good for you oval teen No, no with my kids for for a while now I've been giving them like it like a gummy vitamin D or whatever and now what I'm doing is I've got the the paleo Valley organ complex And that's gonna kind of serve as their multivitamin because they don't eat organ meats I'd sneak it in their food sometimes where I'll take liver and put a little bit in the ground beef and make patties If I go a little too heavy though on the liver they for sure can tell because I can tell they're like Doesn't taste good, you know, that's a stupid pain finally a positive way to give your kids a complex Yeah, so so I so I'm giving them organ complex from paleo Valley, which is you know It's what he's got it's got liver kidney heart in it nature's kind of multivitamin Is that the one you use most often if you're not getting in because I know you obviously you always target naturally, right? Yeah, I know you try to get it but getting liver every single week is tough for some it's just it's not I mean I'm gonna be honest. It doesn't taste good. Yeah, and you're gonna go by disguise it and that's just it Yeah, it just doesn't taste good. It looks gross handling it. I know I sound like a big wimp or whatever. It's true So yes the organ complex is it's really freeze-dried Organs and it's in capsule form. So it's super easy. I'm gonna have to try that I was just having conversation with the kids like they're now old enough to sort of look back and remember that like why their waffles were green Why like, you know certain things like taste a little different, right? And then would they go out and eat and order it at a restaurant for instance, you know And like we started to tell them like, you know, it had a lot of spinach in it it had a lot of You know kale and like all these things that we just would intentionally blend in there and And uh, it was great. It's just funny because like they had they had this like, oh man Knew something was different. Like it just dawned on them. What were we talking about? What were we used that as a metaphor? We were all talking off air one time together Bait and switch or something like that. No, no, no. We're talking about this high sneaking. Oh, you know what it was writing the program We were writing the program We're talking about like our strategy for clients is to like sneak the spinach into their in the pain Instead of like over complicating why we're doing this isometric training right here or why we're doing like the specific thing We're just selling it in a way that they want to hear. Yeah. Like this gonna make you look good Right. Do you remember that conversation with you? Yeah, we're giving medicine with sugar. It's like the same Yeah, the program Totally, totally 100% you know, it's funny too old school old school bodybuilders swore by supplementing with desiccated liver tablets Oregon meat It was before any supplement became a thing cream before any supplement became a thing they would take Seven to ten no joke desiccated liver tablets Between every meal and swore by the results that they got from it the muscle the strength all the all that stuff So and do they put anything in in it or is it purely just that's all it is It's just organ. It's just like if you were to try all out and then measure and weigh it It would be equivalent to you like say I took the nine capsules out. It equals three ounces It's equivalent, but yeah, well, yeah, okay So or an ounce or two and use it to taking an ounce or two of the meat Yeah, now here's the thing with organ meats. They're so nutrient dense that you can actually overdo it Oh, oh, yeah, if you eat liver every day, you could run the risk of overdoing some nutrients So dense and is that true because I thought I remember reading I remember I used to say that as a trainer when I first started that like why we need It was my pitch to sell supplements I remember that when I was first starting and it was that In order for us to hit all of our daily requirements for nutrients You would have to consume close to 3,500 calories plus liver make you over weight plus liver every single day And you can't do that That was my point and you can't do that because our metabolism slowed down so much that you can't eat 3,500 calories without putting body fat on so this is why we need to use no forget the calorie aspect It's just so high in nutrients that you would eat Ridiculous amounts of things like iron Vitamin a could be an issue. You know things that get stored in the body So, you know supplementing a little bit every day is not a bad So if you ate liver every day, you think you could technically overdo that? Yeah, if you look at the liver kind of Doug brought brings up like the iron content of you know one Chicken liver, which is not small. I don't know if you've ever seen the size Yeah, real small really small Look up the nutrient content. You'll see this super super dance. Is it by itself your total rda for like iron or something? I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to look it up. Yeah, I would have heard that I find that I find that interesting. There's not a lot of things that we could eat in nature that would overdo it You know, oh, it wasn't that why it was like one of the prized Organs when there was a kill so nine milligrams of iron per Two and a half ounce. So what's the rda for? Yeah, you know, you look up rda for iron And remember this is this is uh, heme iron. This is extremely absorbable usable iron. It's not like the iron you get from Oh, wow, just eight. Oh eight to eighteen for women So yeah for for premenopausal woman is eighteen median dietary intake of iron approximately 16 to 18 and that was nine So that's it's only half bro. Yeah, but that's that on top of anything else you may eat Especially if you take a multivitamin you start to run into some issues You could right. I guess and if you also had that because you would most likely have by the way This wouldn't just have a chicken liver by itself. You also have it with, you know, eight ounces of steak too or something else Yes, but also consider that's for women who are Menstruating so if you look at postmenopausal women and men it's eight Yeah, so men way less iron than women who obviously menstruate because they lose so much iron That's why they're multivitamin always has a bunch more iron. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, it's uh, you know It's interesting. Yeah, that is interesting actually speaking of sponsors I want to ask you. I know we're You know, I'm sure we could discuss some of this on air We're looking to reduce some of our agreements and contracts. How are we doing? How are they doing with us? We're almost, uh, let's see here. I think last night Katrina and I went over we had Um, I want to say like three Three partners left to still talk about next year. I mean it was crazy It started over a month and a half ago if everybody wanted to Renew for the following year. So it's been already. Yeah. Yeah. So we've got most everybody Um, couple companies two or three companies still left. You know, it's you know, talking about the renewing sponsors I actually had a call with caldera just a couple days ago And it blows my mind. I mean, I remember I don't know if you guys remember I mean that got sent to us and I was like I started using it I'm like, I really want to promote this and you guys were like, uh, I don't know dude skincare Yeah skincare. I don't think it's gonna do well. I don't think we'll be able to beauty guys Yeah, I don't think we're gonna be able to give them their eye even though we look like it No, I just and and you guys had me a little skeptical and my eye my kind of selfish part of it was like, well I just at least want to do it so I can get some free shit And then hopefully I can keep it and use it and if it doesn't the partnership doesn't work out and They I mean they were telling us like they obviously do advertising with all kinds of different companies and companies are very health beauty Like specific and nobody produces like so our audience receive that that partnership Better than I would have ever anticipated a big part of it. I would imagine maybe you know this You know this better than I do since you handle this is the re what is the repurchase? Yes It's once you it's I mean because it's it's not a cheap product, right? It's definitely not a cheap product So I'm sure a lot of people at first glance go like oh, wow, it's kind of expensive to try some face stuff But if you do Uh, I have yet to meet somebody who used it and go like I don't see a difference I mean and we've seen the crazy testimonies we've had on the forum and stuff of people showing Before and afters of like a month of using it or something that one guy with his hands like was 10 days or something like that Like yeah, no There's and I've had a lot of people who also have psoriasis or eczema have dry skin Like I do and they've now also moved in that direction Which I love that's the main reason why I use it is for my psoriasis I have the psoriasis spots over my head and my shins and stuff and instead of using like a Steroid cream, which is what the well. I never use anything on my face ever I have naturally oily, you know, Mediterranean Mediterranean skin. I say it that way But uh, and so I'm always afraid to put anything because I'm like it's going to just make me oilier Which is no it balances me out too. Yeah, which is kind of in it and Justin who's the opposite. He's dry Yeah, it it makes it right as a bone as a bone. I still haven't done the the mask yet. Have you done the mask yet, Doug? I know you said that you were you were down. Yeah, I did it. Oh you did it. Yeah. Oh it worked well Can you tell okay? So you always look it's not a peel off one. It's just like a lather It's like a mud mask. Okay. Oh, does it get hard? Yeah, it gets dry Oh, and then you warm water you just put it on your face Let it dry out a bit and then just rinse it off Yeah, and then you put warm water on and how did you feel after we turned on the view feel good after me? I feel great How many times have you done it now? Just once. Oh, okay. So you just did it. I need to do it. I haven't done it yet Hey, uh trivia guy Justin. Yeah, what is that movie with Liam Nielsen where the kidnap his daughter? Oh, you got it taken you just jumped the gun there. I had to because you guys don't ever give me an opportunity Hey, you know yesterday you guys So surprised Fuck these guys. I'm get all fended We're congratulating you so did you guys hear about this dad that so they're calling him the taken I'm gonna pull this up because this is Bro, this is a crazy Story this happened to him So and this guy's he got he's going to jail. He's got abducted and he went he's gonna go to jail He's going to cause hear what happened. See we should we should have exceptions to the rule in the justice system Listen to what happened in my opinion His daughter pardon him his daughter had a boyfriend the boyfriend sold his daughter into sex trafficking Okay, so the boyfriend of his daughter Took his daughter basically kidnapped her sold her into sex trafficking The father it's just like the movie Finds out rescues his daughter Then he finds the boyfriend and fucking kills him and puts him in the trunk of his car Anyway, anyway justice gets caught and is going to jail now. He's going to jail for for murder. Wow I know how what's the age there like how old is she and how old was the boyfriend? I don't know. But so this happened in this so check this out. So this is happening in 2015. This isn't no 2020 You've been known to bring stories I know So listen to what happened, dude He abducted the the boyfriend tied him up Place him in the trunk of a vehicle then he Hit him with the in the head with a cinder block and then stabbed him repeatedly You're killing him basically So now he's uh now he's going to jail for murder Bro, I know I know how protective I am and I have a son Yeah, you can obviously because you have a daughter like I can only imagine Because I know like it's weird. I think we talked about this before where I'll watch like a show now or a movie or something And it's like it was a matter of fact. It was like a medieval movie I was watching I shared this in the podcast a long time ago when I first had max And the the the like king came in and to this this little village and basically said we're taking all the first born sons Right, they take them, you know, and I can't remember why or what they do But that was like that's part of like what happened and you tear it up. Oh, dude I I got enraged, you know, it's like 10 o'clock at night. I'm by myself watching this and I remember like I never felt that kind of emotion go through me because for the first time in my life I could actually connect to what you know in the past you watch that you're like, oh, that sucks So that's fucked up. But you don't feel it. I felt it like whoa if that happened to me where someone took my son Like what would I do? You know and that that dad's faced with that like if he does anything he gets killed the son gets killed his wife Get killed so he has to stand back and just let them take his kid or else they all die So like what do you do? I don't know. I don't know But if that I mean if I can I can understand why this dad would have done that Yeah, and the problem was that he planned it all out because there's been other cases where like Oh, it's premeditated if he would have just like reacted correct He could have probably yeah, because there was another man in texas where he walked in on somebody Like sexually assaulting his daughter and he beat the guy to death ended up not going to jail Because you know it was like a is in the moment. Yeah, and he was in rage and stuff So but because this appeared to be planned. Yeah that now he's going to jail So it's like how do you like I'm all thinking in my head like how would I structure it to look like? Yeah I'm more calculated. How do I premeditate more to make sure it looks like I did I ran into him on the street and just was overcome with rage and just murdered him right there in the street Yeah, everybody, you know, yeah, but I mean crazy story that you know that that happened I you mess with someone's kid. It's like, you know, and who knows what the whole story is You know, maybe that's that's recent that happened this year 2020. Oh, wow. That's crazy. I know dude I wanted to so there's a couple things I've been waiting to talk to you guys today because I had Been reading some articles. I listened some podcasts and there was two conversations that I want to continue with you guys One of them was the conversation around facebook's meta And then the other one was the zill zillo talk we're talking so first with facebook Yeah, start with facebook How much do you guys know about this metaverse that they're trying to do? Did you guys know also that microsoft is building a competitive one at the same time, right? Do you know that so it's kind of like this race to and I didn't I didn't know this like so It's the multiverse justin. This is how it started Dude, so there's you have that you have that you have the big ones, right? You have uh, google You have and and google and apple are more interested in ar And facebook and uh, microsoft are more interested in the the virtual reality So you have it's ar versus vr augmented reality versus virtual reality, right and augmented reality is more like Like google glasses where you'd be able to put them on and then it integrates with Real world. It's like the movie free guy when he puts the glasses on Yes, yes, that's more realistic personally. That's what I mean There's there's a lot of argument that they're they're both equally realistic and the question is, you know, will they live Together or will they be, you know exclusive of each other when you get when you wake up and go to work or school You're in ar when you go home you plug in the vr, right or just maybe it attracts different types of people But you know, I didn't know that I didn't know that microsoft did you guys know that microsoft was building? Could you look up the name? I think theirs is actually called made-a-verse also So I think I think facebook is called madea and then microsoft is calling. There's made-a-verse, but they're both in this race to get to this Place we're gonna live which also made me start to look at nfts totally different because Just like a couple months ago when we first talked about them. I know exactly where you're going I know and by the way facebook has already said that they they were going they're going to integrate NFTs into their made-a-verse, of course I think it's meta meta verse meta verse Okay, thank you. Yeah, you know what dude that makes perfect sense because do you guys know that already there's already people that will spend thousands of dollars on a rare Minecraft skin or You know acts in a particular move a game or so now it makes sense because now I totally see the nft thing Yes, if you live in this metaverse universe if this is where you spend Most of your time Well now yeah, you are going to spend a lot of money It's no different than the way we floss with watches cars designer clothes today in real life Because if if if you spend now more of your time in the virtual world than you do In the real world then why why would I buy designer jeans in the real world? I would much rather buy them in this this virtual world where I spend more of my time and you get cloud Yeah, and I interact with more people because people will know they'll see it and they'll know oh you got that skin Yeah, that's got to be 10 grand at least for that thing the diamond shield So now I see it like the whole NFT thing I thought was so weird and ridiculous and I couldn't wrap my brain around like why would someone like you want like We brought the painting thing, right? Like why the fuck do I want a painting a digital painting that I'm going to do nothing But if you live in a digital world and you have a digital house And your friends hang out in your digital house You now have this crazy rare painting digital painting in your In your virtual house where now it matters now when people come over to hang out in your Virtual house. Do you think do you think that current like brick and mortar Businesses and manufacturers will get into it like for example Would bmw Get into creating NFT cars of course. This is why I've always speculated that like artists and You know creative people like there's like this this massive. There's gonna be a massive boom And need for you know that In terms of like being able to Create all these things for those types of worlds, right? So you need to be able to have like so it's more It's gonna be more Beneficial to have the plans and designs for houses or whatever like we were talking about like 3d printing Yeah, so it's like it's all kind of moving in that direction in terms of like you being able to actually You know come up with these designs crave and sell those designs versus actually like producing it Okay, so I want to get and I want to go to what you were bringing up about zillow But before we do because this reminds me of something that's tied very close to this. Okay, so We've heard the theories that maybe we live in and you know a artificial reality Yeah, and that when life gets intelligent enough The its tendency is to create virtual realities eventually becoming so advanced that People within indistinguishable. It's indistinguishable and maybe this is why things are the way are or whatever Simulation theory. Yeah, so that's one theory and then there's there's a couple other things that are really interesting. So Uh, are you guys familiar with in physics the double slit experiment? Have you heard of that? Yes, shown you guys before Yeah, I talked about this sound familiar. So what they'll do is they'll fire Uh Particles electrons or protons I believe through something that has two slits So it can only travel through the two slits or it gets bounced off And when it travels through They notice a particular pattern coming out and emerging out the other end But when they observe to see which slit The particles are traveling through the pattern changes completely It's either a wave or it's it's particles or it like changes the whole property So in other words just to just explain what so in other words What are we figuring out there what what they're trying to see is okay Why is it creating the strange pattern on the other end? We need to see what's happening. Which slit are these particles going through so we're going to observe This this these slits to see what's happening But then as soon as they observe it the pattern changes and that behaves in a very predictable manner So this is called the observer effect and it's a very strange phenomena in quantum physics And it's one of the many scientists believe that this is one of the reasons why we can't Make you know Newton's theory of relativity and new what's called Newtonian physics, right? Which is like physics of this world why it doesn't seem to match up with quantum physics, which They don't seem to make any sense quantum physics is very strange compared to behaves completely different totally different And so and there's this observer effect that they constantly they can test and like what the hell does the observer have to do With any of this so the the quantum physics says That all of reality exists in what's called superposition So it's everything all at once and it only collapses into What we observe when we're observing it so the observer has some kind of an influence over this So this team of scientists came together and came up with this theory And they said that and other scientists have said this before as well That consciousness is intricately connected to reality and without consciousness reality would not exist And that it's a network of observers That creates reality without that Then there really isn't this reality that we so famous network is actually also describing like quantum entanglement, right? So like something you do effects like this this network of like Based off of that theory we then would be able to potentially create consciousness in AI right well So that's if that's the formula that creates consciousness, then we should be able to actually program that Observing that's another by the way. I listened to like the leading guy We went I went down this rabbit hole So I'm just great you're going in this direction because I just finished watching Patrick bet david Interview and the guy's name is going to slip me but bill gates elon musk like this is the dude Like this is who they have read all his stuff. I can't he's got a number one selling book on on on AI And they had an interview and he was talking all about it wasn't Ray Kurzweil was it? No, maybe you can look up Look up Patrick bet david AI interview and it'll it'll pop him up bald guy glasses But really interesting because he said some stuff. No, that's neither one of them He was talking about the the capabilities that I mean, it's kind of limitless It seems so crazy for us right now, but it's kind of limitless what we can potentially Program and everything down to feelings and consciousness. Well, so think about so So that's a different question right the other that question is what is consciousness, but we we which we still can't define but Forget that for a second. I think we can all agree that Humans are consciousness or we have some kind of consciousness and it's our collective observation. That's creating our reality Okay, so what is this how does this tie to this meta universe that we're talking about? Okay, think of it this way You're playing um grand theft auto right You're walking through a neighborhood As the character that you're playing the avatar that you're playing is walking through the neighborhood The video game is creating the reality as you're moving through But if you're not moving through The reality if you're not moving through as a character All of that is in the game as a potential it only appears in other words You're walking through minecraft the tree appears over here It's only because you're walking through the video game with your avatar If you're not doing anything that's it just it hasn't revealed itself Hasn't it hasn't been it really hasn't necessarily been created It's in the game in this kind of potential does that make sense? So if you think of it that way It's kind of like we're in a game right where it's our observation that creates that reality Otherwise, it's like and then here taking a step further. I know this is totally a conversation I wish you would have told me we're going here. I would have totally smoked No, I know we're gonna. I'm gonna stop in just a second before we lose everybody But so the big bang right everybody the scientists agree that oh There was a big bang at one point all of the matter of the universe Was in this one infinitely small point and then it exploded and expanded and you know It's expanding faster and faster and blah blah. What if that's when the game got turned on? That's when the switch went on boom and you had this explosion of matter And then consciousness created This you're just trying isn't that kind of what it looks like if we shut off our off-road what it looks like Yeah, it goes down to this little tiny it does If you shut one of these screens off That's exactly what it does because it goes boom and it like it dissolves into this tiny little point Well, trust me out because we're all basically light particles. You know at the end of the day I mean this ship just melts my mind to think about Well, it's what's crazy to me is I know that we have been on and off air talking about this whole You know plugged in unplugged worlds that are coming and everything like that And it feels like all of a sudden we just took 10 steps forward out of nowhere like it was It's happening faster. I know really quick all of a sudden. It's got a compound Yeah, it's even kind of ridiculous talking about it five years ago And now you're talking about two companies if you really want to melt your your brain If if real life existed like, you know trillions of years ago and then created artificial universes And then those artificial universes became self-aware and created their own We literally could be in a billion layers deep of a fucking, you know Fake universe or simulation or whatever you want to call it of universes creating the world So you're just like pixelated, you know, like when it just first happened, you know, who knows? All right, so his name was the guy you were talking about nick bostrom. Is that yeah supposedly is like the authority on artificial intelligence like he's like the the main the main dude I'm afraid that we're gonna create what we think is consciousness and it's not and it's just gonna create a monster You know what I mean? Well, yeah, we think that you should listen to that interview because it is a it's not scary because he he has a very optimistic view Of what where he hopes but he doesn't deny that You know, it's all about how we program this shit and You know, if china's programming it we're programming it. We got a hope that we're all running by the same moral code You know and that's kind of the really the ai arms race, which by the way people don't know this There's another arm race that's already started There's the the hypersonic missile arm race, you know, china lodged that hypersonic travel around the globe Surprised us now. We're doing our own now. They're talking about having satellite exploding capabilities where they can fire something at a satellite It'll blow up or destroy the inside of the satellite to make it look like a mistake And they could just just totally disrupt communication and then taiwan Came out with their first exoskeleton for their military Which is basically oh, wow. Yeah makes you stronger. I've seen the run faster. I suck those are pretty cool. It's all going down Yeah, all right. That's why that's why I get into science fiction I'm telling you it's been prepping humanity to see what the potential Lies and we're already getting into the potential of it all it'd be cool to see like a montage of like all the like You know futuristic movies that have been happening since the 70s Yeah, and like all the ones that like actually don't have a freaking hoverboard Yeah, come on. Is that the one you're waiting on? Yeah, it is Waiting yeah, or or food that rehydrates like every every like sci-fi movie in the last 50 or 60s was like A capsule that you place in it. You have a little cube and then it just turns into turkey. Yeah, turkey dinner All right, so zillow you want to talk about zillow? Oh, what's the deal with that? Well a couple things one I mean I'm I feel a little ashamed and embarrassed that like I didn't even know of this like Uh category right called i buyers, right? So I've heard that term like like I'd become be watching like a Video on youtube or read an article and they reference it and I never like dug into like exactly what an i buyer is and it's an examples would be like Open door red fin zillow and it's these these these massive companies that are Buying real estate like really really fast and like so save like 5,000 properties a month. Yeah Well, they so zillow just did 8,000 in a quarter So that's why when this big news came out of them getting rid of 7,000 was such a big deal It's because they're buying uh, they're buying 8,000 a quarter with a goal to get up to 5,000 But what I find interesting is like, you know What point can they actually start to manipulate the real estate market the same way that we manipulate stocks with people buying I smell legislation coming. That's what I smell because imagine if You know 70 percent of the rental properties in america Are owned by two owners, you know zillow and red fin Well, so check this out right now. This is why this is interesting to me right now Doug maybe you can pull up the ticker right now on both red fin and zillow and even open door all three of those because in the last Three days they are dropping hard like on the stock market So their stock was losing I think 15 percent 10 percent and like 9 percent because they sold it losses and Well, I mean all all of them red fin is so something it intro allows down 19 or no 23 percent Wow right now wow, you know what though? That's actually a damn good buy 65 for a share is not well I'm waiting so I'm waiting for it to keep going so Redfin's down 4 percent. They're at 48 right now as of the recording was that zillow. You just had up before that Doug yes, bring it back up to that and show me the the graph for the court the last week So we can I can see that show the guys like the well, I mean there's the there's what is that it's a day That's just a day dude. Look at the fire. Look at the oh, yeah That's the five day it just fell off a cliff after that and they're all kind of falling off right now still I find that really interesting that you have these companies that have This much buying power in real estate and then they're selling that off Now part of the reason why they did that big sell-off too was Boy, the the room for air in this algorithm was ridiculously crazy. Like it was they they buy Targeting a three to six percent Tiny margin tiny margin So that's what the algorithm is built on and they have like these what they look for Is houses in areas of like towns that are growing which is a basic kind of strategy for buying real estate And they don't want it to be they don't want it to be perfect But they want the homes to be really nice and all it really needs is quick facelift like paint Floors and then flip yeah, and then and then flip and make three to six percent off it because they're what they're doing Is there the algorithms based off of what the trend of where the market's going and they're they're getting that on a daily basis The problem with that is it's too logical It is yeah, because it's so much human and there's and there's a motion involved in in buying real estate and so But this algorithm is based off of that and it was just aggressively buying at that and then all it took was a Slight plateau and then them overbidding aggressively to get that to make it not worth it So I mean if you think about three three to six percent profit margin doesn't sound like much But property is so expensive and you're buying five thousand units Three percent of that is millions and millions of dollars. Yeah. Yeah, so potentially could be massive It's really in uh, you know, it's what's happening is you have um, and you have like obviously brokers and real estate agents Are not fans of I mean obviously if you work with them You're probably a fan of redfin or zilla or one of them But if you're a private broker real estate agent because the ultimate goal and what they're trying to do with all These algorithms and they're trying to basically cut out the middleman You know why have a real estate agent anymore if you can if we can have all this stuff to Imagine if you could get on to zillo and it not it could show you Breakdown the last 20 years of which it has a lot of this stuff already like where the house was where it's going What it predicted is it you know, you know how you've seen that what is it car gurus? It tells you if it's a good deal or bad deal and it's green or red or it's orange If it's just like an okay deal Like imagine if it was that sophisticated that you know, I don't even need to go look at the property I can I all this stuff gets it informs me right away. I can buy it all digital. We can already do that That's how we buy homes online. You're not even there in person So you could do it all through you know docu sign, you know what this is an interesting conversation because I think in in lots of markets They've tried to eliminate the human sales person I think in some cases it works in other cases I think they over they underestimate the value of the human well to the point you just brought up Because emotions are involved and we'll look at fitness. This happened in fitness 24 fitness did this is one of the one of the This is the beginning of their downfall Was that they they exactly said that by the way I was in the meeting when they brought that up and they literally said We have the most gyms. We have great equipment. We're open 24 hours All we need to do is have the best prices and we'll crush everybody and it would be as easy as having a menu Someone walks in Points at what they want and they sign up and me as a general manager Who understood nobody's buying my gym for the gym. They're buying it for us. I know that I've worked in shitty gyms and crushed And I've seen great gyms fail Because of the team and the staff and remember thinking this is a bad idea You guys don't realize the value of sales people at such a high level are making the decision that are purely looking at Numbers where someone like you or I who wears down in the trenches doing it I could easily go like well yesterday We sold 10 deals and I know for a fact seven of those when it got sold Had I not got involved in it and convinced that person and talked about the dream and make them do that paint the picture Now in other cases it works right electronics like you want to buy a phone, you know 10 people could sell an iphone They're all the same. Well, I'm going to get the best price, right? Um with cars it did disrupt the market but have car salesmen disappeared No, because I think in some cases people want to talk to a salesperson and understand what's going on Houses are way more emotional than that. Oh, yeah way more. There's a lot more involved than just looking at it And so I wonder how this is actually gonna, you know, kind of pan out But it is really interesting to me that I wonder why zilla wouldn't buy a bunch of properties and then short-term rent them That's their business like why wouldn't go why wouldn't they go? Is that because they'll be cannibalizing their own people or competing against the people the people that make their business First of all, I don't know if zilla is not involved in short-term rentals. I don't know that for a fact I don't know if about them to know if they are in that market also I mean, I think they're I would require a lot more. I guess personnel and management, right? Yeah I mean to be interesting I mean it's it's I'm now intrigued enough that I want to find the right person to interview because I'd love to ask a lot of Like the questions about what their strategy Well, so that's new to me like I've now learned that one of the main strategies by these these companies is Pretty much to cut out the the other the think about how much money is there too? By the way, real estate agent is three percent three percent on the front and back end If you could just cut out one of them, right? If you just cut out one of them, you got three percent on every single way competitive Yeah, okay, so here's my question for you for for you adam You know because this is something you're really deep into As a real estate investor an individual This sounds like This is a good thing because now you're buying properties yourself trying to build your own wealth and you know security And now you see these big players Going to the markets trying to buy up properties. Does that mean that now the demand is higher and it's going to increase property values more Well, it could be good and bad, right? So there's it's okay My concern with companies like this. They're that massive with that much power Is their ability to manipulate the market and you send a false signal So yeah, it could be good because it's going to drive up purchases and more and it's going to be and Drive the price price up and obviously if you are an investor and you own properties There's a good. There's actually a good side of inflation, right of all that stuff going up But uh, it's not good if it's being manipulated intentionally where You know, if you think those houses off the market wouldn't you want to or or like what's about to happen with zilla Also putting 7 000 houses on the market now. Mind you that's probably that's dispersed over I think it was like four or five states and probably different cities And so it's obviously if there's just 10 or 20 houses in all these little cities Probably not going to hurt them. But imagine if like one of these companies had 500 and like okay, uh, boys, Idaho one of it was the fastest growing. Uh, it grew the most Equity over the last two years. Okay, more than anywhere else like 34. So boys. Idaho is number one in the country imagine if zillo redfin open door owned 5 000 of the houses in Boys, Idaho of the let's say, I don't know how many houses are in there 50 000 or I don't have no idea But let's say they own a 10% yeah 10% of it and then all of a sudden they decide together We're gonna sell it all they can literally just die But dive bomb that market temporarily then turn around cost of everything go back and go back and buy again So I'm really people have done this with the stock market before all the time rules against it So I and and I'm sure I'll get messages So I look forward to hearing from someone who is gonna school me on this because I don't know if there's already laws in place that don't allow these guys to do this because I can admit if you if you're if zillo's goal is to get up to 5 000 properties a month Oh, yeah, I wonder if it varies state to state, you know in terms of legislation Okay, I'll take it to a national security potential. Now you have a private american company like zillo let's say they build up their portfolio to own 500 000 properties and China or another foreign country one that does not align with our values for example says I'll buy zillo They immediately own Half a million properties in the united states. Yeah, right. I mean now that's very interesting I could I I mean, I don't know what if that's a good or bad thing or what that would mean necessarily But I could see the political ramifications of that Yeah, you know, you saw what happened with tiktok and how that got political because it was owned by china Yeah, no, it's real. It's really interesting. Well speaking of like real estate talk that I wanted to I shared a tweet from Robert kiyosaki this morning that I thought was interesting We've talked a little bit about this, but he actually dropped some stats. I thought that we're interested Listen to this stat 77 percent of people who inherit family wealth Lose it in less than three years 77 77 percent dude, you know what that flies in the face of eight out of ten people who inherit wealth Lose it within three. By the way, you know what that flies in the face of yeah It's also 80 percent of millionaires today will self-made Okay, eight out of 10 millionaires right now are self-made 77 of people who inherit money lose it within three years. It's almost like doesn't matter That flies in the face of the uh, the narrative that oh Successful people wealthy people it's because mom and dad gave them money and they didn't earn it They're just immediately guaranteed success. Yeah. No, it doesn't it doesn't that while I thought that was really crazy 65 of all professional Athletes end up going bankrupt five years after retirement. Well, okay, you know, it's funny So I'm sure some people are disagreeing with what I said if we put it if we if we Just take that and use an analogy related to fitness if I snap my fingers right now and made everybody in america lean and fit Would what percentage of them would be able to maintain? Well, that's so I had a really I had a really healthy debate with one of our Followers about this and one of the things that I argued was and I said I don't know the answer, right? But Um, would I be here today if I didn't Go through all the shit that I had to go through right There's a part of me that argues that That is what got me here was that I I had so much I had to overcome That it built this resiliency in me as a young child that later on became an adult that viewed the world differently versus If I was born into a family with way more privilege Would it actually be an advantage and at face value? We all want to say of course it would be You could go to greater schools and you have greater connections and like, okay But what about the what it does for my character? You know if I got all those things maybe I become a spoiled little bitch who thinks that he deserves everything and is Entitled and you don't even value any of it in front of you. Yeah, I have no work ethic Then I had no resiliency. I I fail and I cry and I can't get back up You know what it is is you have the this combination of genetics and this combination of your nature Which is the stuff around you? Excuse me nurture, which is your life around you and it's the right mix like maybe your genes Are the kind of genetics that make you that adversity Drives you to become great. Sure. And so in that particular scenario That's what made you do really well and in another scenario not so much So it's the combination that will how will we ever know the answer? No, it's impossible How could you possibly know what the right combination is that would produce success? Well, this is why I really love that conversation with jewel because of her upbringing and like being like severely abused and beaten and then Homeless and like all these like insane like adversity like she's facing and then like, you know, just the mindset Taking her into positions and opportunities that then all of a sudden now You know has this this incredible success that she's able to kind of navigate and figure out How to not completely blow it because of all of these Hurdles and things that you know, you build that strength and muscle to be able to Navigate through I do get why people feel the opposite though because I had a time in my life I did I was on the other side of that like when I was in my early 20s. I was resentful I was angry at my my parents because of the childhood that I had that didn't get that didn't get flipped around until I was 30 Almost 30. Did I start to look at it from a different lens and go like, you know what? I'm actually really glad that all these crazy things happen to me as a kid growing up because There's so many things now that I've experienced in my 20s and now going into my 30s That had I not gone through that adversity as a kid I probably would have viewed these things differently and and who knows that might have knocked me down And out into depression. I wouldn't be able to get back up whereas I didn't I faced it differently And so then I began to look at a different so I have a feeling that a lot of that narrative comes from Immaturity doesn't matter how old you are it could be older and still immature just immaturity and not Really knowing the value of what potentially or not knowing how that varies from person to person So I mean you bring up a great point. Maybe part of my genetics that played in my favor But you know, maybe if it was maybe somebody else's genetics that is just all it takes to throw them into depression And then they never get out of it. I don't know it's it is an interesting question I mean, um, you know, I I'm the product of of poor uneducated immigrants and they Would would I be who I am if it wasn't from I mean and look here's I remember getting an argument Well, I had a friend of mine who argued about how You know, uh, every I had everything given to me type of deal I'm like you had you you had more than I did getting started He's like, what are you talking about? I'm like how many years or decades has your family been in this country? My parents came here with nothing had no education That the only advantage they had is they knew the opportunity. So they they didn't squander it They knew what they could potentially, you know build and create here And so who knows what the answer but I tell you this I'll bet this money all day long regardless of your potential Um, if you work hard and you have a growth mindset You are more likely to reach your higher potential than you are the lower potential regardless of where you're I'll take it even step further if you just have an optimistic mindset versus a pessimistic mindset, you know growth mindset Whether you think you can or can't you're probably right like I take personal responsibility. I'll work hard Oh, this is shitty, but let me keep going like whatever you're even like look at it this way again I'll take it back to fitness Let's say your genetic potential is your max bench press is 200 pounds And your minimum is that you'll never be able to bench press over 10 pounds Hard work effort personal responsibility consistency. You're more likely to get to 200 And less likely to hit that, you know 10 pounds Same thing with anything so maybe your max potential is that you'll make six figures in your life because who knows Well, this is the danger you're more likely to reach it with those habits This is the dangers of the conversation around inequality. I mean, it's it's whether it's it is true There's plenty of situations in this world where there it's we're unequal It's unfair for this person or that person But that becoming such a mainstream narrative. I think has more negative effect than that's positive People people that are Activists around it are just like, oh, it's we need to create more awareness around. I said, do you Is there anybody on this earth that doesn't think that there's people that have more advantages than other people? And then us always talking about it. Are we not training the generation that's coming up to just let them either fall They're either you are you're either an oppressor or you're a victim It's like you that's one or the other and which one are you and like that becomes like this conversation with even these Young kids coming up and is that it is that a smart or dangerous mindset to be putting that we're putting them in that? I would never let me put it this way. It's not empowering. It actually takes away your power as a trainer trying to help people Create a lifelong good relationship with exercise and nutrition the the worst possible thing I could ever do Is sit there and talk about the limitations of someone's genetics And how they'll never be able to accomplish certain things just because right, you know Your parents are both overweight. You don't got the great bone structure. You know, you're getting started late Yeah, I never you're not very strong. I don't care what that is. I don't care. Yeah, that's okay But you can't control that here's what we can control and I I found success that way the other way I would have found failure every single time with my client So I don't so it applies in my opinion. It applies to everything I think it's a terrible idea to focus on those Uncontrollables and rather focus on the things you can control a lot of it has to do with the stuff You have within your own power or whatever that is. That's right. Hey, look real quick before we get to the rest of the show Do you like soda? Of course you do. It's delicious, but it's bad for you We'll check this out. Allie pop makes soda drinks They taste like sodas like the ones you grow up drinking when you were a kid or maybe the ones you have issues with Now but here's the difference super low in calories low in sugar all natural and Good for your gut health. No joke. Allie pop soda drinks are good for gut health I know that sounds crazy, but it's legit. This is the only delicious tasting drink that we support It's really awesome stuff. Go check them out head over to drink ollie pop Dot com forward slash mine pump and then use the code mine pump for 20 percent off That's it. All right. Enjoy the rest of the show Our first question is from nicholas wells Is there an optimal body fat percentage for building muscle 11.23? That is the percentage kind of an interesting question It is, you know, I can tell you that I don't think there's going to be a number specific from person to person But I can say this that being too lean Has been shown to inhibit muscle growth. Um, and being too Overfat can do the same thing part of it has to do with the hormonal effects For example, when men start to get into the single digit body fat percentages you tend to see Testosterone levels dropping you tend to see growth hormone levels Sometimes having issues. Um androgen receptor density starts to go down a little bit When their body fat percentage is too high Same thing. So, okay. What are those numbers? Personally for me my best Like muscle building body fat percentage tends to be Above 10 and below maybe 14 percent when I go above 14 percent I start to get kind of negative returns where I'm just gaining more body fat than muscle Under 10 percent really hard for me to build muscle and maintain that lean body fat percentage Unless I'm allowing my body fat percentage to go up. Yeah, that I was gonna say that This depends right on how we're talking about this because the most anabolic I have ever felt is After cutting down to three percent and then going back the other direction. Yeah, but you're letting your body fat climb Right. So, I mean, but imagine maintaining is there an optimal body fat percentage for building muscle Like, oh, yeah, so if I was trying not to be Big more body fat than three percent then yeah, you're right But if I cut all the way down to three percent and then I reversed into a bulk from there And just say I'm not worried about it going and honestly, this is how I would do it after a show And I would get down to that kind of three percent range or so give or take I would allow myself to go all the way back up to about nine ten percent And I was like I was on the gain train all the way until I started to see myself reaching that nine percent or so And then I would back off because I would say somewhere in that nine percent range I felt the most primed for for building muscle. Yeah, so but uh, you know, again I think there's tremendous value in Cutting down and getting lean and then reversing now Maybe not as extreme as you did it right because I want to be I also want to caution the audience A bunch of dudes are like, oh, I got to get down to three percent Because that is a whole getting below I'd say eight percent body fat for the average guy There's a whole different ball game You get below five percent body fat and you're playing now in a whole another universe in terms of how you feel hormones How they respond your sleep It's not great. Um, so yeah, don't don't cut down to three percent to try to reverse out Yeah, no, I'm by no means this is not a Recommend obviously this is not a Overall health type of question. This is you know, where do I feel that the optimal body fat percentage is and I don't know I don't know if there's an exact percentage or it's more about where you are in your training Yeah, I think more of that like I was I'm thinking I'm trying to speculate even I've had clients that came in Way overweight and uh, you know, just just maintaining whatever calorie I'm out there at but now adding in resistance training had a dramatic shift Uh, you know in terms of like them and their potential for building muscle But it makes a good point in terms of like being You know at your leanest and now introducing maybe you're a little more sensitive to those calories and sort of Reprioritizing those calories into muscle building So I feel like you're primed to be anabolic because your body is wanting to add and then you feed it the way you want But to your point about and I think you're proud You're probably more right on where this this question is coming from because I get a lot of people who are Somewhere between uh 13 and 20 body fat and their question is should I cut first or should I bulk? And the answer for me is if you're north of 15 percent The the I think you mentioned this right that's where your your testosterone levels tend to dip after that Definitely after 20 you start to notice they say after 15 15 you'll see it Definitely after 20. Yeah in women. It's like 30. So in that case if you're somebody who's just getting started on your teen and you're like Okay, I'm 18 19 body fat Is it more advantageous for me to try and bulk and build muscle from here? Or is it better for me to lean down a little bit than I would probably suggest leaning out of it? But it depends on their metabolism exactly that that's the big thing is that If I get you say you're at 18 to 20 percent body fat But you're and you're okay. Let's say let's use it of males and so I think this is a guy who's asking this question So let's say you're 220 pounds 19 percent body fat and you want to know what you should do here But you're only eating. Okay. There's 220 calories or low. Yeah 2,000 to 2,200 calories I don't want to cut you. Yeah, I don't want I don't want you to lean out right now I want to build so even though You it might be more advantageous to be 13 body fat trying to build muscle because your your body is in a better position To build more muscle your metabolism isn't them in the most optimal position And I care about that first before I try to attack Now all things being equal because I think what you're if you're obviously if you're watching this You realize that there's a lot context. There's a lot of context that matters And it depends on the individual and I know people hate it when that when we answer that way But that's just the way it is whenever you're working with individuals You have to look at the whole picture, but all things being equal. Okay, everything's healthy They're not a newbie with resistance training necessarily so forget the stimulus the workouts good good sleep All things being equal. I think I could say probably for men Maybe 9 to 15 percent is probably a good body fat percentage for building muscle and for women. It's probably Probably 20 to maybe 27 percent or something like that. I think For women when you start to go below 20 percent And the leaner you get then you start to see some kind of negative effects on hormones and with men That can happen after going below 9 percent and then going above 15 percent remember fat is also hormone sensitive And it can increase the the or the way that your body responds to estrogen it can cause, you know increased Side of kinds or inflammatory markers too much if it's not good not enough of it's not good exactly So, you know 9 to 15 and then and now what determines if it's 9 or 15? Well genetics probably right? So like adam and I tend to be more on the ectomorph side Being leaner was easier for me than being heavy So I'm like you around 10 11 percent, you know, it's probably a good body fat percentage on the high end Maybe 14 percent. Justin might be a little higher. He's a little bit more on the endomorph side, right? So robust Yeah, so But you gains come up with a good descriptor Well, I'll tell you what think of it this way if I 9 percent for me. I could build really well I bet for you you probably wouldn't feel very good walking around 9 percent the same way. I feel terrible It's like death, right? So there's a bit of a range here, but the key is not too low Not too high is probably best. So ultimately, what does this mean healthy? That's really what it boils down. Well, and that's why the answer that I gave is that We in let we need to get you in a healthy place metabolism wise before I'm even concerned about building muscle or burning fat Right. So regardless of what body fat percentage you're at Uh in the range you gave I think is a very fair generic range that I think is true But just because you're outside of that range doesn't necessarily mean I would want you to cut first if depending on what Justin was talking about your calorie and if you are a 220-pound man, and you're only eating 2000 calories. Yeah, I don't care what body fat percent exactly I'm gonna try and get that to you. Yeah, you could be you could be 40 body fat And I don't want technically to cut you right away I want to address your metabolism first, which would mean we're going to be focused on building strength building muscle and Slowly increasing calories before we decide to get you down into that optimal place that you were talking about Next question is from tax-free mitt What advice do you have for someone who tends to hop between training programs and diet plans? I get excited to start something new but tend to quickly get fixated and what on what I want to do next Yeah, you're falling in love with the the feeling of excitement and motivation. Yeah the entertainment of it Yeah, and in no, here's the deal. I understand. Okay when I feel motivated And excited it's one of my favorite feelings like nothing's hard Everything's easy. I got all the energy in the world to do all the stuff that I need to do I've never had to you know get a really convinced a client to work out when they were motivated It just happened. I've never had to convince a client to eat right when they were motivated It was when that feeling Went away that we start to see some of the challenges So the problem here what the person asked asking this question is You're so in love with the excitement and motivation that when that fades. Well, that's it What do I do next because now that's gone It in my training career What this usually looked like was a person that would sign up for a marathon and then a triathlon and then obstacle course race and then it's like they always had to sign up for something In order to keep themselves, you know working out and that was just a losing strategy at some point So what you need to do is develop the skill of discipline and consistency and trust the process Now, what does that mean? That means that when you follow a program Let's say you follow maps anabolic right maps anabolic is broken down into three phases I can guarantee you that almost everybody who follows maps anabolic is going to like one of the phases over the others Okay, it's just the way it is like I love phase one. I like the heavy Training I like the low reps right phase three with the supersets and the faster pace like that's my least favorite But if I follow the program I go all the way through I trust the process because I know the value that I provide and ultimately Gives me much better results doing that. So, I mean I have a little challenge to that. Um You necessarily don't have to you could still continue to do this way But it really is the difference between exercising and training If you are going to the gym and you're bouncing from routine to routine and you're trying different stuff out all the time And you seek this novelty every time you go to the gym and you need that for motivation to get you in the gym and exercise Uh, then fine And if you're content with where your physique is at where your strength is at there's nothing wrong with you exercising like this, uh, you know But if you have goals in mind and you're trying to improve strength You're trying to build muscle. You're trying to change your body composition Uh, then you want to follow a you know a training routine You want to follow a program and you want to stick with it or else you are you're just burning calories You're just burning calories stimulating muscle. I guess better than nothing Right with no rhyme or reason and there's and again that if this person is in a place where they are content with Their performance their health their strength their aesthetics if they're happy with all that Then it's actually not that big of a deal if this is this is what gets you if Trying a new program out every fucking week is what gets you to go to the gym Then by all means does it but you have to understand that you're not being the most effective By doing that, right? You know what the problem is is that they don't tend to what this tends to lead to in my experience is not Every week i'm trying something different. It's I try something different. Try something different. Try something different Nothing excites me. I stop. Yeah, and it's on off on off It rarely looks like Something new every single week usually it starts that way and then it becomes like nothing is Sparking this in me now i'm going to stop completely. Yes, I guess sort of like to to both your your ideas like It's obviously very important for you to be specific at what you're doing in terms of training towards a goal And so if that's in mind and that's sort of your cornerstone that you come back to You know, there's there's plenty of room for you to interrupt that with you know novelty and adding in like a new type of a program to be entertained by and Just keep it fresh and keep it going and this is something that I do Occasionally and this is why I got into like unconventional tools or methods or learning something That I could then adopt and then incorporate into my Meat and potatoes programs. So it's not so stale But at the same time this is what's moving the needle And so for me like I have to learn how to just be disciplined to come back to that Continuously if this is where I want to take, you know, my progress and where I want to take my body So yeah to Adam's point of just exercising. Yeah, there is room for that if you're talking just longevity and staying healthy and You know enjoying just the overall activity of movement But being specific and having goals and and trying to get somewhere you really do need to narrow it down Well, that's how I would if this was a client of mine and they came to me with this problem That would be my follow-up question. Well, do you want to change anything about your body? Are you happy where your strength is? Are you happy where your body fat percentages? Are you happy where your performance and strength is and they said, yeah, I just like to be cool. Keep doing your thing That's not a big deal But if you go well, I would like to lean out a little bit more and I would like to be a little stronger Or I would like to work on my shoulder. Okay. Well, then we need to train And then one of the things that and this is where like tracking I think Has its advantages Is, you know, when I when I'm when I'm trying to train and I'm really trying to achieve a goal Uh, I will focus in on like specific exercises in my program. So let's say you're following maps anabolic You know, I'll pick like my squat or my overhead prowl pick a couple movements And I'm tracking them and I want to see week over week progression and I'm and so that is what that that'll keep me excited about the next week like Oh, man, this week I put five more pounds on the bar with my push press or my form got even better Or my range of motion was even better on my squat. So I'll I'll Hyper focus on a couple movements within the program that will keep me excited about coming back to that exercise In the following weeks if you have trouble Sticking to a training routine and you know, that's what you need to do Well, I think another good mentality with that is as you're going through your program Like you're noticing where the weaknesses lie and where you know, the the the areas you could address to Improve in terms of like seeking out another type of a program instead of going towards something that Draws you in based on entertainment or something that you really enjoy like try and focus it a little bit more on maybe what's really difficult for you Uh, you know to to kind of like change your mindset around that in order to improve the overall Yeah, and again, this is all assuming that this person is always consistent. And again in my experience This particular type of person Isn't consistent uh a long term they they're consistent because they're doing all this variety And at some point they just stop So yeah, if they were always consistent coming up with something new all the time I guess that's better than nothing. But again, I In my experience that tends to not be the case Next question is from big turk az What's your take on intra workout food and drinks? What are the benefits to incorporating them and what are some good options so over it? Yeah, you know, you know, we're intra so intra workout food or drinks would be like Those gel cubes that you'll see runners eating or a carbohydrate drink or supplement companies love you Yes, just that if you're doing look here's a deal studies will show there's value in them But it's really specific like long ruling. Yes If I was listen, I if you're the average person who's trying to change body composition Which I would say is 80 to 90 percent of the people listening to the podcast And you're working out ways the time gives a shit about it If you're a spartan racer Ultramarathon runner tremendous value because that you know mile 17 or something you're going to be completely You're going to hit a wall if you don't refuel during that process But the it is it's become uh, so grossly Populated or overpopulated in the bodybuilding community that I used to just laugh about it It was like the most comical thing I would see with my peers Carrying around these bags and having to stop like midway to shove a bar in their mouth or drink their blue hyper blue color Drink real quick. You know, it's just like it's really come on It's it's if you have if you're going to work out for like two hours or more and it's grueling and it's hard You may have some value in doing this otherwise not really I tell you what if you want to drink something During your workout that might actually make a difference. It's not carbohydrates and protein It's electrolytes sodium for example that actually will make a difference within the next 10 minutes Um carbohydrates not really if you if I've got plenty of stored glycogen And I'm not going to burn it in the hour workout that I'm going to do which is probably I'm probably not going to burn it unless I'm really really super low calorie Whatever it's got to take the most intense workout to burn all your glycogen store No, it's not going to do anything for you and it's it's a total waste time if I'm doing a long ass Which I never do I've never do I never do workouts that are more than well That's a good point because that's the only there wasn't a point where when I was training for the show where I did get to Where sometimes I'd stay at the gym for three hours, but I would break it up with feedings There you go So I would train for an hour Pretty intensely then I take a break have some get some food in me drink some liquid liquid calories Relax a little bit maybe walk the treadmill for 20 minutes of that Then boom get back and do some more work in the gym like but that is like you're talking about the Like the highest level of training like I'm this is me at the professional level of trying to maintain this physique If you're playing a game if you're playing a basketball game, which can last quite a bit or a football game Then it starts to make sense, but your total normal workouts Not really it really doesn't make that big of a difference kind of waste of of time Unless again, you're doing these super long workouts But if you want to drink something in your workout try electrolytes that that might make a difference Especially if you're low carb or you don't need a lot of processed foods I would say before and then during Elementy is Something that's hot and humid and you know, you're you're losing a good example. Yeah. Yeah, so you're sweating profusely You know, that would be there. There's exceptions to the rule here. I know I'm coming out and just like probably hammering I tell people that right that are probably carrying their jugs around as they're listening to this right now So I'm not trying to offend everybody, but It's just one of those things that You know when I when I got into that space and I saw how popular it was and I'd get clients And that's like they that were competing and they'd ask me like it's the marketing. It's yeah They're like oh, I'm like no don't even worry about that. There's so many other things that are think about way more important It's brilliant marketing because a supplement company knows that if you work out The one thing that you do consistently is work out and one of the most effective ways to get your product consumed consistently Is to tie it to something that someone does anyways you ritualize it, right? So every morning when you wake up or right before bed or Your workout. So what do they come up with? That at first it was post-workout shake. That's the first time that they ever You know really tied it to workouts and it was brilliant. It sold more protein powder by the way Selling it as a post-workout You know supplement sold more protein powder than anything else anybody had ever done with protein powder And then they got smart and said Why don't we sell a pre-workout supplement and it exploded? Well, what about during the workout? So they have pre-workout control workout They hit it all now there's just and if they could come up with a reason to do quarter halfway through three quarters of a wood You know I'm saying front half workout back half before you do these exercises do this fluid leg day workout drink You know arm day. Don't be surprised if they get some shit that comes like that. Someone will figure it out Next question is from yamasan How to get over the fear of failing when wanting to become an entrepreneur. Oh, gosh. Yeah, you know what? You got it. You got to you got to be okay with failing. You actually have to make peace with it It's a true. It's this true. Look, I'll tell you I'll tell you your reps I'll tell a story to the audience that this this was one of the key moments when I knew That I had chosen to work with the right partners With this particular business mind pump when we start a lot of people don't know this We've told us on older episodes, but when we started this podcast We had a a fifth founder. So what we have now is myself dug adam and justice four of us There was a fifth early on it's a good friend craig capurso And in the beginning craig had all the he had all the social media authority. He had all the audience I mean adam had a small presence on instagram But really craig had most of the audience and so the way we were going to get our start was with Craig was a great way to introduce us to a certain amount of people So that we could grow and we all knew this and he had other values But this was you know a big thing. This was a big deal and without that start anybody who starts a business Especially through social media or new media knows how hard it could be to get that initial foothold So that's how we started. Well, anyway, we recorded Like 15 episodes. We had put in a lot of work. This was early on So for us, this was a big deal like now we can record a podcast no big deal But back then it was like we all had jobs. We had to meet together at night We'd record three episodes in a row and we you know, we weren't good at it. So it was a big deal so we did like 15 episodes like months of work that we put together And we're ready to launch this thing and craig last minute one of his sponsors Listened to some of the episodes and early on we were pretty, you know rough and a bit raw And they said yeah, I don't I don't think you should be associated with this It's a little controversial And so he told us last minute. Sorry guys. We can't release the episodes I don't want to do it and this was like a crushing Blow you imagine our foothold our initial Introduction was going to be this person with the social media following the rest of us combined had like nothing Almost nothing. So it's like, what are we going to do? And I remember specifically I was okay with that fine We're going to move forward anyway And I literally thought I was going to have to get on the phone and motivate my other partners I was prepared to get on the phone and do a speech and it'd be like, that's it guys We're before I could open my mouth Everybody else started their own speech about why we're going to do this anyway And that's when I realized I was working with the right people And what did it boil down to We all had made we'd all made peace with the with failing like we okay if we fail so what we're going to try anyway So that's the key. The key isn't to ensure that you won't fail That's part of it The key is to be okay with the fact that you're going to fail and guess what you probably will The first few times that you try count on it and you got to be it's like it's like not being okay getting punched in the face If you're going to get a boxing match, right? It's impossible. You have to be okay with getting punched in the face because that's part of Boxing and part of business is failing. So you got to be okay with it. You're uh, uh, Patrick bet david has a really good book Called your next five moves. I really like it and he's using the metaphor around Um What do they call grand masters the the chess players grand masters? Yes, they call them or whatever And I and I think it's uh, I think that some of the the greatest in the world can see like 20 something Plays ahead, which is crazy to think about that because seeing 20 plays ahead Means that you're not only thinking about their possible move But the move that you will do in response to that move and then bro, it's the same. Yeah, that's so it's crazy That series on netflix, uh Queens gambit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they kind of show that. Yeah And so it just it highlights the the brilliance of being able to do that now His book is called the next five moves because he's talking about he relates that to business And why that's so important to be able to many people can't see five moves later And it's so important and part and so to piggyback off of what you're saying is part of what making peace with failing Isn't just being like, okay, I'm okay with failing because sometimes people hear that and they're like Okay, well, that's it. You just just decide it's okay to try and I guess not Yeah, that's that's that's that's only that's only one part of it part of making peace with failing is accepting What does it look like if we fail and then what your next move is in response to that failing And then let's say you do that move and then that one fails What's your next response to that and say you do that move and that one fails and then what's your next response to that? So you're able to see Four or five moves out that all could possibly go the opposite way of what you want them to And how would you respond in that situation? And so and then you make peace with that that okay Here's what I want to do now. There's a good chance x y and z might happen if that happens Then what is the next move for me to do? Okay? Well, then I'm going to do this Okay, let's say I do that then what happens when that fails Okay, and if you can see out five moves and four of those moves basically being failure There's a very good chance that you're going to get it by the fifth time and it's going to work itself out and really A lot of the success that we I mean Before I even met These guys or we decided to do mind pump. I had this kind of vision around Building a business in fact. I had another partner polo Who was going to be the guy who wrote because we all know that I can't write right so he was The he was the silver tongue kind of what I'd say sal is in in our group now and has the ability to write really well And I had this vision of you know writing these blogs that had all this value and then I'd get advertisers So I had this vision for a business that uh is nothing what we're doing now But it's mold what we're done now is molded kind of from that idea And a lot of the things that we all thought we would be doing when we first started this Is does not look exactly the same way when we all sat in that room the first time we just we had an idea We had a vision we knew that we could add tremendous value And we weren't afraid if that that way didn't work because then we would do this And if that didn't work out then we would do that and everybody was excited about Attempting to do that and not afraid of the potential failure. Well a couple things, you know to kind of you know piggyback off of that Like most of it, uh, you know in the time of of doing all this is you realize that I started to turn those failures in the language of failure into education And and we've talked about this as being somewhat of an expensive Education that you you learn through all of this. I'm taking, you know, this Potential failure. I'm thinking about my next move. But what did I learn from that? Like what are all those lessons within that that now I can apply Going forward and change and adjust so I don't make I don't repeat, uh, you know those same mistakes The other part of it is like as you have this grand vision for where you want to go and Where you want to take, uh, whatever idea or whatever it is that you want to do with it You have to understand it's not going to be the same thing and and to really just just Uh, you know be comfortable with that be flexible with that And know that the only way for it to keep moving forward is to to you know, sort of flow with it and to be able to be open to changing adjusting and uh getting the feedback and and and you know moving and altering from those Potential failures or you get so many of those in front of you they become reps so you can anticipate your moves, you know Extend out further. So now you anticipate those failures and you adjust before they happen Well, that's the real silver lining in in the failure thing. I remember when I was like 20 I read this article That said that like the average billionaire, uh, failed like nine times before they were successful The tenth time was the success and I remember reading that article and like my instant motivation from that was I needed to hurry up and go fail 10 times. Yeah, that was like it was like, oh my god Like how many people stop after the fifth one right about that one. And so and I remember thinking that like man If that's the average billionaire and I at that point in my life I don't know if I had aspirations to really truly be a billionaire But of course I was going to shoot for the stars land on the moon type of deal, right? So it was like, okay If this is what billionaires have to do to become successful and here I am at 20 years old I've only attempted maybe one or two businesses by that time. I'm going. Oh my god Well, I just got to keep trying these things that I believe in and I need to get to that 10 Because hopefully by the time I on my way to 10, hopefully I'll land one of them And maybe if that's the average billionaire who's way smarter than me, maybe I'll have to do 20 So in my mind, I'm going to try and get to 20 failures and hopefully along the way of 20 failures I'm going to learn all these lessons that you're talking about and I'll be able to piece something together We're all fine success. Yeah, I think you know a big part of it too is just self-belief like knowing that no matter what happens You're going to figure it out like I know I'm going to be okay No matter what happens to whatever I'm doing or no matter how bad it fails I'm going to be able to figure out a way to take care of myself and my family Get back on my feet and then try again now imagine the confidence when you work with partners that feel that same way Right like I know now something happens. We'll figure it out And we'll we'll take the next steps that are necessary and that's that's part for me at least that's part of what makes me Not afraid of failing because if something fails, I have self-belief knowing that well if that doesn't work I know I can do something else. I'm not going to be Frozen and screwed totally or completely. I mean I had a client that one time I asked him that question I was eight I was young I was 18 or 19 And I asked him what's the what's the one piece of advice that you could give me You know for success and he goes, you know, you're asking me the wrong thing and I said what he goes Ask me how many times I've failed. I said well, okay, and by this time this guy was a self-made Millionaire he came from nothing like high school dropout like long story And so I said all right. Well, how many times have you failed? He goes, I've gone bankrupt several times And he explains each of the times he's gone bankrupt Trying to build a business and he said, you know, it's You just got to swing the bat you're going to miss but then you'll hit and then you'll hit a home run So you have to believe in yourself and know that at some point it's going to work out for you And it's you it's more often than not it's true And even if you don't hit that big home run, you're probably you're probably better off than had you not tried You're definitely better off Especially if you learn to reframe failures as growth opportunities because that's where growth happens Growth does not happen in success when you succeeded something It's not really a lot if it's right away. That's right It's it's the failures were so if you can become a person who is and I think you Sal alluded to this first was that you know being growth-minded if you are pursuing growth Ultimately over all things. So maybe I have this business idea of mine pump I want to do but ultimately I want to just continue growing as a human as my main goal Like that's what's great is that even within a failure towards mine pump I still Succeed at growing because that failure is where growth happens So if you can reframe the way you look at failures, you get more comfortable in that place You know, it's funny too about that and I guarantee you guys the same way Because we've been doing stuff like this for a long time if you look back at Momentary failures. I bet you can look back and say gosh. I'm so happy that happened I'm so glad that that situation we've had them within our own business where we've had we've worked with people and then had to Not work with people and it always has turned into something Better later on but I couldn't imagine if we got frozen in the in the failure of it How we would have never reaped the benefits that could occur from you know failure like that So that's a big one. It's not easy by the way. I know it sounds like we're making sound like it's super easy It's not even easy for us You know talking about it's easy, but it's still a challenge. Nobody likes to fail. I'm going to be honest with you It's not like I'm sitting here saying no, it's feeling awesome. I have way more fun winning It sucks and it's hard. This is all hindsight, but do I fear failing? I don't like it. I don't fear It's a big difference between the two Look, if you want to if you like our information you want more great information That's free from mine pump head over to mind pump free Dot com you can also find all of us on social media So instagram that's the social media platform we're usually on and justin could be found at mine pump justin You can find me at mine pump sal and adam is at mine pump adam