 Call to order. This is the fifth regular meeting of the 2010 2011 Common Council And at this time as is customary our city clerk Sue Richards will read the quote of the evening Each time someone stands up for an ideal or acts to improve the lot of others or strikes out against injustice He sends forth a tiny ripple of gold Thank You sue roll call, please Here Hannah here Heidemann here Kahn here Kittlesen here Montemay or here Radke here Rindfleisch Vanderweel here versey here and long man We have a quorum full house tonight Now if we can all stand and alderman decker will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You Jeremy Looking for approval of the minutes of the of the prior Common Council meeting Second have a motion and a second under discussion If there is none all in favor say aye Opposed motion carries confirmation of appointments attorney McLean Thank You honor got the two letters Regarding county appointments a couple of different city committees the city county shared services committee appointments Counties pleased to advise they've appointed the following county board supervisors serve on the city county shared service committee for the 2010-2012 Board term mechanic Keith abler and Peggy fighter motion to file Motion to accept Motion to confirm do we have to confirm their appointments? Okay, then motion to confirm We have a motion and a second to confirm the appointments under discussion There is no roll call, please Orin hi Bulk flowers. Hi decker. Hi. Yes, sir. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi Demin. Hi cut. Hi Kittleson Montemay or I Racky. Hi Rindflash Vanderweal versey. Hi and wongamon. Hi 16 eyes Motion carries more appointments attorney McLean. The last one is Reappointing supervisor Val Schultz to serve as Boyden County's representative on the marina and harbour committee motion to confirm Second motion and a second to confirm under discussion If there is none roll call, please Bulk Bowers. Hi decker. Hi. Yes, sir. Hi Hammond. Hi Hannah. Hi Heidemann. Hi. Hi Kittleson. Hi Montemay or I rat key. Hi Rindflash. Hi Vanderweal. Hi versey. Hi wongamon. Hi and boron. Hi 16 eyes Motion carries public forum this evening All right this evening first on the list is Dulcey Johnson if you'd like to come up, please Dulcey, can I get your home address? 1306 North Third Street, Sheboygan and you will have five minutes Mayor Ryan city clerk Richard city attorney McLean members of the council and citizens on May 3rd the council received a document outlining five scenarios for the fire department and the ambulance service The strategic fiscal planning committee has voted to support scenario D Which calls for five stations with ambulance system growth and 73 firefighters The potential revenue analysis for local transport shows revenues ranging from 40,000 to $200,000 depending on the share that the fire department would get of the local transport market Currently there are 69 firefighters on the payroll The cost of four new hires is stated to be $240,000 this would mean a loss or a cost to the taxpayer of $40,000 to $200,000 under scenario D Scenario 8 calls for five stations no ambulance and 67 firefighters So the current roster could be reduced by two Resulting in a budget savings of approximately a hundred and fifty thousand dollars Thus using ambulance accounting methods one would say that the city would save $390,000 by adopting the five stations no ambulance scenario Chief Herman has stated that the current system with orange cross offering dual systems Services is the best possible system. He has also said that he needs orange cross for backup Yet he persists with plans to take more business away from orange cross If the fire department if the fire department expands to the point where orange cross can no longer afford to stay in business and Chief Herman loses his backup The city will lose the best possible system and chief Herman will have realized his goal That orange cross will fold the fire department can take over the entire Sheboygan area and hire 12 additional firefighters as mr. Herman wrote in the Wisconsin professional firefighters journal in 2007 Every time the fire department hires another person they hire a person with not enough to do You can call them a firefighter a paramedic or a firefighter paramedic the result is the same one more person with not enough to do Retiring at an early age and receiving 100% taxpayer retirement benefits for 20 or 30 years in 2010 Sheboygan taxpayers will contribute over two million dollars for retirement and health benefits just for the fire in police departments At the strategic fiscal planning committee Alderman Geisha spoke about his concern that orange cross which is owned by Aurora and St. Nicholas does not pay any taxes in Sheboygan because they are nonprofit entities However, they do employ 2,000 people many of whom undoubtedly live in Sheboygan and pay taxes We must also note that half of the Sheboygan firefighters do not pay any taxes in Sheboygan because they do not live in the city But we pay them very generous salaries and benefits and retirement pay for years and years. I Have read the Greater Sheboygan committees white paper on the fire department Which raises many valid points that must be seriously considered in determining the future course of the department The document speaks to the emotional issues such as we are witnessing now when deciding public protection and Suggest that more hard data should be available before making decisions about the necessary level of protection Another important important point that the council must not lose sight of is the continued growth of salaries and benefits for fire department employees Which will be a big factor in future budgets The document also supports including all costs when analyzing the operation of the ambulance service and Suggests that in doing so the result might be that the ambulance service makes no actual contribution to the city coffers On Wednesday, May 26 the fire department transported a patient to Milwaukee for dr. Coulas in as much as the department per council directive is allowed to run only two ambulances. I Was concerned that that may have left only one ambulance in service in the city. I Called deputy chief Butler who was very defensive and rebuked me for calling him so often Saying that my calls were getting a little long in the tooth. I Pointed out to deputy chief Butler that I am a citizen I have a right to ask questions and further that this was only my second contact with him. I Met with him in his office on May 4th about an emergency medical situation Involving a passenger on a city bus at 4th and Michigan when a backup bus arrived before the ambulance Mr. Butler told me that he did not know how many ambulances were available the day of the Milwaukee transport Because he was not the shift commander, but interestingly he did know that the department did not call in any overtime The question remains was the department short staffed during the transport to Milwaukee Alderman Hannah has introduced a document again calling for lifting the hiring freeze to hire for firefighter paramedics Seems that chief Herman is somehow magically found funds in his 2010 budget so that a transfer from the general fund will not be required I thought that the council had passed a bare bones budget for 2010 Thus I am struggling to understand how the fire department suddenly has so much money available excuse me Dulcy would you like your extra minute, please? Two months ago chief Herman was so concerned about running out of overtime money that he closed one station Will spending these funds now result in requests from the fire department for transfers from the general fund later in the year and Giving a given a one and a half million dollar deficit. Where will the council find the funds in 2011 for another? $240,000 in salaries and benefits for the fire department, which scenario may also result in a loss of $200,000 I have been told that the fire union has offered to give back a hundred thousand dollars if the council hires the four firefighter paramedics The hundred thousand dollars is a one-time deal The two hundred and forty thousand dollars will grow every year for 20 or 30 years Anyone who would buy into such a deal needs to take a refresher course in simple arithmetic Thank you. Thank you Thank You, Dulcy Next next on the list is Elton Berg Elton if you could come up to the front, please Elton, can I have your home address? I live in the first district 406 Clement Avenue shabuigan, Wisconsin 406 right 406 correct And you will have five minutes sir. Thank you sue Mayor Ryan Steve and council members tonight. I'm here as a spokesperson for the greater shabuigan committee Dulcy has already spoke about our white paper and I'd like to acquaint you with the greater shabuigan committee beef briefly We are a Registered political action committee that is primarily interested in local municipal and county politics If you're interested in seeing a copy of our white paper, you can find it on our website www.greatershabuigan.org Tonight I trust you'll have much discussion about fire fighters paramedics fire stations fire trucks and ambulances in many ways However, this is as much about assuring the community that our fire and emergency medical services are provided in efficient cost-effective fashion based upon objective evaluation and reflective of the best political practices You know, there are a few policy decisions that have aroused as much discussion and dissension as the decision to offer ambulance services Reading the comments from the web the press website It now seems that the fire services have become the department that we love to hate It is the policy that established the service the speed with which it is Implemented and the manner of cost allocation that has raised this ire Not the quality of the emergency medical service is provided or the dedication and abilities of our firefighters This decision continues to resonate throughout the community and is now polarized and is clouded by a motion rather than rational discourse The recent financial evaluation of the fire department services provides a good starting point for a top-to-bottom Analysis of the department Additionally, our white paper suggests that there are a number of operational Alternatives and performance criterion that should be objectively evaluated as part of the planning for the future You know some years back I took a walk with all of them a long amount out of city hall and he Noted that if you look closely at the fire station on 9th Avenue in New York You'll see a bricked up opening where the second story fire escape is and that's where they used to lift and store The hay to feed the horses Something about Sheboygan politics suggests that the change from horse drawn to motorized did not come easy I trust that there were concerns about response time reliability Can we reduce the number of firefighters if we modernize there may have even been a 10-year pro forma Avaluing the cost of oats and horses versus that of of gas and and trucks Change does not come easy especially for an organization like the fire department where staffing levels and Organizational structure has been in place for many years Our economic downturn however requires a new look at all government Operations as our report notes. We are concerned over the Sheboygan fire department's management's Reluctance to think outside of the station and consider the efficacy of other organizational structures You know it may very well be that the current delivery system Represents the best and most cost-effective and efficient services available But how would you know unless you diligently explore all the options fire department financial analysis? Identifies a long-term systemic costs, and it is unlikely that Projected cost increases will be offset by ambulance revenues an increase in state aid or growth in our tax base Rather than providing a short-term fix for a long-term problem Please take the time to get it right for example Immediately authorizing the high the hiring of four firefighters paramedic This evening will not provide an immediate solution To fire chiefs ago I asked how long it would take from the decision to hire a Recruit until having a fully functioning firefighter the chief at that time said it would be from four to six months a One-week delay in this process to allow the committee of the whole the opportunity to review and evaluate That staffing proposal and the alternative scenarios if nothing else offers the community the Opportunity to hear a more detailed explanation, and I trust a spirited debate on this issue Enclosing You have the opportunity to use the current municipal the current situation as a model for the detailed study of all municipal Operations clearly the firefighters are stakeholders in this process and their input will be most valuable however The packaging of the ambulance service raises lingering doubts about the accuracy of their projections and The performance to date has not inspired or restored the public confidence in their planning process For this purpose we suggest that an outside consultant would be a valuable adjunct to an independent review panel that Consider all voices and get it right based upon mutually agreed upon Objective criteria Ellen would you like the additional minute if I couldn't One last thing you know it's probably been a hundred years since the city had a stable of horses But even today as taxpayers, we're still buying the hay for the municipality Once digested as Alderman your job is to deal with the byproducts That's all I have to say. Can I donate the rest of my time? I'd like to get half to Alderman Gisha and the other half to Alderman Boren Thank you Thank You Elden. Thank You Elden and I don't mean to comment on your on your speech here, but taking the the anonymous blogs as the as the the mood of the community I think is unfair to the fire department All right next on the list is Richard Hartman Richard if you could come up to the front, please Richard can I have your home address, please? 2423 North 23rd Street right here in Sheboygan All right, and you will have five minutes sir. Thank you what I have to say tonight is Information that has been funneled to me from various sources. I Believe the information to be very interesting and worthy of passing along to the great many of who have Only heard one side of the issue To begin with It appears a vote may be taken on the issue of how many fire stations the city wants to maintain along with the simultaneously operation of Ambulance service by the Sheboygan fire department as I understand it a vote to do this only requires a simple majority Should such a proposal get the needed votes a follow-up consideration must be addressed as to how How to staff the added positions needed to keep the five fire stations open? Up until very recently it was understood that a hiring freeze would have to be lifted With the greater concern now being how to pay for the added employees and that would require a two-thirds majority vote by the council The latest to be heard is that Chief Herman has found enough money in his budget to fund the added Employees for the remainder of the year this presents the possibility That only a simple majority is needed due to the fact that no extra money is needed That is until next year We have been told numerous times that the next few years could be more difficult to deal with financially than the fact than the past few and Now the proposal is to increase our financial our fiscal responsibilities When the direct opposite is needed Most of us and that includes members of the council Have had to make adjustments in our private lives in order to cope with the economy as it is and will be in the future And it's troublesome When so many of our alderman fail to make the same adjustments when spending the taxpayers money We have become a society of and society of entitlement But the problem with entitlement often comes at the expense of those less demanding In other words if you feel you must have something fine But don't ask other people to pay for it We often compare ourselves to other cities of equal size when addressing issues that come up But that does not seem to be the case when it comes to the number of fire stations staffed for the area to be served In order to be on par with those other comparable cities. We need just three stations There has never been a quarrel with the service rendered by the shaboying and fire department when it comes to fire protection Nor have there ever been problems with Orange Cross providing us with our ambulance service Why are we messing with a proven system? That if all the data became evident would prove to be in the best interests of the people Thank you Thank You Richard. Thank You Richard next Next on the list is Carter Paulis Carter if you could come on up And can I have your home address Carter sue my home address is 414 Erie Avenue And thank you mayor common counsel and all assembled before I start I can't tell you what a pleasure it was to hear our City clerk announced the theme of tonight's meeting Each time someone stands up for an ideal and I happen to be an idealist Or acts to improve the lot of others or strikes out against injustice He sends forth a tiny ripple of hope and boy, that's my theme So based on all of that Mr. Boygan fire department is pulling out all of the stops and it seems like it is all or nothing for them that aside We firmly believe that we are right in our conviction that this entire process of the sheboygan fire department taking over the city ambulance service From orange cross was and is wrong It goes against the grain of our American principles when government interferes with any commerce for the sole benefit and in grandizement of Government and not the public We have set ourselves up since our inception as a country with supporting religious and benevolent Organizations such as churches and hospitals and other service entities as tax exempt in our society and Sheboygan government is wrong To condemn or use that as an excuse for the actions and words of some of the alderman To support the sheboygan fire department This attitude by this government is why I have steadfastly Been against the takeover of the ambulance service for the last four years It's a moral issue One underlying goal seems to be Elimination of tax exemptions in favor of more tax revenue With recent elimination of tax exemptions from about a dozen entities Perhaps city government would be happier if all the churches and hospitals would just shut down and go away But that isn't going to happen The citizenry is not fooled by this common counsel or its alderman or anyone else paying lip service to this fact The only conclusion left is it's time you cease this unacceptable behavior and conduct yourselves Responsibly for the citizens of our community as quite simply in this you are wrong Now the Greater Sheboygan committee which represents the economic strength of this community has presented rationally excellent ideas Regarding the ambulance service for you all to consider Shut down the ambulance service and rethink the Sheboygan fire department into a better and less wasteful service than what you presently have Thank you very much. Thank you Carter Thank You Carter next Last on the list would be Susie Lassard Susie, can I get your home address, please? Yes, it's five zero one six million road Sheboygan, Wisconsin You will have five minutes. Thank you mayor counsel city attorney and city clerk. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak I will not bring you numbers that have been misconstrued I will not bring you regrets of budget that our council has already approved and I will not bring you a voice that's standing alone I will bring you to you the sentiment of your collective constituents over a thousand signatures have been submitted to this council as Well as 30 business owners to date the city of Sheboygan's fire department is a department of professionals Which does an incredible job? The department that has given back to this community not only in contract negotiations But in the job that they do our police and fire department save lives buildings Educator community through use and adults they put their lives on the line each and every day they go to work They do all this to provide us a safe living environment for each and every one of us in the city of Sheboygan Over the past two and a half years our fire department has not received one complaint the quality of their service to this city is flawless Fortunately, we have not had the catastrophe in our fine city that compares to the devastation of 911 we however We do have the potential in the city with two chemical plants a power plant large factories large Manufactured homes and apartment communities as well as homes in neighborhoods that sit only five feet apart It is my concern as well as others To the time it currently takes for our fire department in ambulance services to reach my home and that of the other residents in district Five and soon to be other districts in our city What used to be a life-saving margin has been greatly increased to a life-and-death Time frame three minutes to now eight minutes is unacceptable For the first time in Sheboygan history our fire chief has worked 24-hour shift And has done so because of depleted overtime and staffing Constrictions as a taxpayer and a resident of the city that is speaking in partnership with the voices of over a thousand plus Signatures and more coming in daily It has come to light that a few alderman may impose a three-man hold on the vote this evening rethink this effort Acting now on this issue will not only save the city money, but ensure the safety of our city Please listen to the majority of your constituents as there is a liability to the city as we defer from the plan in place with the state Insufficient staffing prevents utilizing the three ambulance that our plan with the state requires Alderman do not allow our city to be open to this liability and that of putting your citizens at risk Why some members of the council feel that my life and the lives of others are not important I've been told the money is there if it is not there. It's your job to find it Public safety should be the first thing on the council to-do list a city that is united is what we should all strive for a Steal excuse me for those who do not feel it's important to maintain our safety Then it will be you that can shut the lights off when we all leave Those that have spoken before me have not come to you with over a thousand signatures Obtaining these signatures was not an effort the people want the fire stations fully manned and the ambulance service Which is income producing? What is an effort is? Trying to understand a handful of alderman that appear to be Representing their personal agenda and not that of the majority of the people who are taxpayers and paying the bills I want to thank you all for the hard work you have done and all the hard work you are about to do Remembering your oath when you entered into office and remember it's the taxpayers who own this city We want it to be safe. We want our city to flourish. Thank you very much. Thank you, Suzy Thank You Suzy. That's all for public forum Next comes mayor's announcements First of all, I'd like to congratulate two of our council members two of our alderman Alderman Eric Rindfleisch and alderman Don Hammond both within the last two weeks both had had daughters Last week alderman Rindfleisch had a daughter named Isabel and this Saturday Which is why which is why alderman Hammond looks a little under the weather had a daughter named Brooklyn So congratulations to both of you I'd like to review give people some time to pre-plan The 4th of July this year and the 4th of July activities We've made that we made the decision actually over a year ago to hold the fireworks on the 3rd of July Which is a Saturday that what therefore the parade and everything will be there, but just going down the 4th of July weekend activities Wednesday, June 30th the Sheboygan pops will be playing at the at Fountain Park playing independent state type patriotic music Friday, July 2nd the Jerry Schneider Band, which is a Band that does polkas and waltzes and everything else will be We'll be playing at Fountain Park and that will be Friday at 6 30 p.m. A free show That evening after dark the Venetian boat parade on Friday evening Saturday, July 3rd will be the Freedom Run beginning at the YMCA on the lakefront to register that you can register online at www.saintnicholashospital.org freedom run The parade will beginning will begin at 9 o'clock a.m. We'll take the traditional parade route, which I believe is up 7th Street to Michigan Avenue and down Broughton Drive that will be on At 9 o'clock on Saturday the Ardarmata also known as the cardboard boat regard I believe earlier will be that afternoon And then all evening activities will be at Dillon Park We will not have anything on South Pier everything will be at Dillon Park this year And the groove hogs will be playing from 12 30 to 3 30 Bay City swing from 4 to 6 30 and the Screamin Cucumbers from 7 to 11 we will also have Screamin Cucumbers Screamin Cucumbers 7 to 11 Breaking during the fireworks, which again is sponsored by our friends at Johnsonville the Steyer family, so we appreciate that Sheboygan Theater Company will have a at 4 o'clock p.m. On July 4th the We the People It's a free Patriotic musical that they will hold so everybody the 4th of July this year most things are happening on the 3rd of July We thought it would be better to do it on Saturday the 3rd is to not interfere with Sunday morning services, etc. And besides that it gives everybody then two days to recuperate I believe so That's that's 4th of July activities This is bike in walk to work week and I would like Vice President Kittleson to cover that please Thank you mayor Thank you as the chairman of the city's wellness committee. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to just to Mention bike and walk to work week today was a beautiful day to get started We were I was at the commuter station at 6 30 this morning along with Jack Vanderweel and Tracy Houlton from building inspection And Laurie sir key came from Finance so we had a nice showing for our city people There were a lot of people who were biking and stopping for coffee and and we had some other treats They're fruit and water and it was as I said a great start So we'll be doing this all week long bike and walk to work week tomorrow We're at Sheboygan at Sheboygan Falls the commuter station Wednesday need public library. So anyone who'd like to walk on over there walking into work would be a great way to Help us along and then Thursday. They're at the exchange bank coffee house in Plymouth and then Friday at Joe Johnson bakery so that Will conclude and then Friday evening will be a the end of the week celebration But we'd encourage all of our employees to please participate Wonderful to have your participation We have that plaque on the wall over there and we'd like to keep it there for the third year in the row So if our city people can get out and now bought bike and walk and then record the results We you can reach your the more for more info and mileage tracking You can do that right online this year. So that's a great way to make sure that you track whatever you've done And if you don't care to do that you can record on the back of a piece of paper Turn it into our HR department and we'll track that mileage for you So thank you for your participation and I'll remind everybody. We do have a standing bet with the boy mayor up at Manitowoc and his in a city worker He might be less than half everybody's age, but I think we can beat him Okay, moving on I am looking for somebody to make a motion to pull forward documents number 552 and 553 President Kisha Motion to second to pull those forward any opposition all in favor say aye Opposed they are pulled forward President Kisha. Thank you your honor. I Move that the resolution So titled and packed in 552 and 553 be put upon their passage passage We have a motion and a second under discussion President Kisha. Thank you, mayor I what you have here are the two bond documents that were discussed at previous meetings the city he has One the smaller number is for our capital improvement program, which was passed by this council The other is a refinance of several previous bond issues We have included in there several tips and a refinance of our unfunded pension liability, which we previously had with the state trust so We are very pleased to announce the rates the shabuigan's bond rating is remaining at AA to Under the current economic conditions. That's fairly remarkable. We received a very good rating from moody investment services as well as some Talking points regarding why shabuigan is is deserving of that rating Secondly the end result of all this refinance is just a tad over one million dollars of Taxpayer money that won't go to pay debt service on bonds We had great success in in those interested in purchasing our bonds because of our moody's rating and and had a conference be with the moody's representative with the mayor our bond rep and Nancy bus then director Hansen and We're happy to have the bond rating we have we're going to have lower interest rates than we had before resulting in a million dollar difference and That's significant when you look at our overall budget, so I want to thank the mayor and our bond folks From Aillers for their help and the other members Thank You president Kisha if I may comment we were very fortunate and I would like to open up the microphone to Phil Cossin here who is our bond rep from from Aillers We had estimated that we would save $615,000 on the on the On the larger bond issue And we were fortunate enough with with maintaining our bond rating and with the timing That we are saving over $878,000 over the next 17 years on that from where we were so that's that's quite the accomplishment We did make a decision to change Bond companies and we did go with Aillers, and I think we made the right move because we've overall as president Kisha said we've saved Over a million dollars over the next 17 years So motion to open the floor to Phil Cossin from Aillers and Associates motion in the second all in favor post Phil thank you mayor and comic council members appreciate it Introduction maybe first I'm Phil Cossin with Aillers and Associates, and I know some of the members of the finance community now As you heard we had a very successful bond sale today And I know you have a very long agenda. I'm gonna try to keep this relatively condensed You should have received at home this document called an official statement. I see the heads nodding. That's a good thing That document is what we used then to sell bonds in the marketplace, and we took bids today at 10 o'clock Which led to the savings that you just heard about I just wanted to highlight a few things in the packet Prior to the meeting I hand it out. It looks like this is sale results on the top in that packet You'll see a number of items one is the Moody's rating report, and again you've been affirmed at a double A2 Which is very strong rating And she feel very very good about that rating It's really a statement to the financial operations of the city the facts that the fact that you're a very diverse And a very have a very diverse tax base But then in there also is the bid tabulation That was received today both issues and there are two separate issues one was refinancing existing debt and the other To finance your 2010 capital projects both issues Were awarded to if you approve tonight to Wells Fargo who was the low bid in both cases The cover bid in both cases was M&I Bank out of Milwaukee And we also received bids from numerous other banks and financial institutions around the Midwest so Six bids received for one issue seven bids for the other issue Was we're received today The financing the refinancing of the eight point three million dollar refinancing Again led to a savings of about eight hundred seventy eight thousand dollars That's not just the general fund. It goes to pay back the unfunded pension liability It's a couple of the tax increment districts that you have in play right now the environmental tiff To 10 and to 12 We'll all realize a portion of that savings and then it also finances your 2010 capital projects So again just in quick summary. We were very pleased with the sale results. We had a lot of interest Primarily Midwestern firms rates came in somewhere around 50 about a half percent 50 basis points less than what we projected The net result again is the savings that you've you've heard about And we feel very good about the future going forward that you have a plan in place For how to deal with some of the financial issues going forward any time you can pay a little bit less in debt service It helps as well, so Questions to be happy to answer any questions you have. Thank you Phil. Do we have any questions for Alderman Hanna? First off I served as financier for a couple years For a couple years and I'm I'm so thrilled that you finally went down to one rating agency I always felt that that was a huge Waste of money and I commend by the fact that it's the first time we received information up front at home I thought that was marvelous. I read through the documents So really looking forward to working with you. Thank you. Thank you very much I will say that the decision to go to one rating agency wasn't mine alone We talked about it Terry Hansen was Instrumental and in making that happen as well. Thank you And going down to one rating agency also save money on top of sure Any other questions for mr. Cossum? Thank you Phil. Thank you Okay, do we have we have a motion and a second on the floor we do Any further discussion We just need to take each one separately Jim certainly okay, so if we could just vote on 552 first First do a roll call vote on 552 Bowers Decker hi Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi Hanna. Hi to men. Hi cut. Hi Kittlesen. Hi Montemay or I Racky. Hi Rin Flesch van der wheel. Hi versi. Hi wankerman. Hi Warren. Hi and bulk 16 eyes motion carries Your honor, I moved that document 553 Be put upon its passage second motion in a second on 553 under discussion If there is no roll call, please Decker. Hi Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi Hannah. Hi to men Kittlesen. Hi Montemay or hi ratki. Hi Rin Flesch van der wheel. Hi versi. Hi wankerman. Hi Warren. Hi bulk and Bowers. Hi 16 eyes motion carries consent agenda president Kisha your honor. I move to accept and file all reports of officers Sorry about that. We are going to take about a 30 second break here and do some signing with Phil Cossum before we move on We might want to sign it Y'all can take a breather, but remember your microphones are active and Phil's from Sheboygan Yes, and Phil is a Sheboygan native by the way South High School also And I know it was south President Kisha, thank you your honor once again I moved to accept and file all reports of officers Accept and adopt all reports of committees and pass all resolutions and ordinances second We have a motion and a second under discussion Alderman Boran, thank you, Mayor Ryan I had a couple calls mayor on document number and the consent agenda five four and five 15 Regarding the sale of that property over at 936 Erie, and I know I talked to you about it this morning Maybe you could fill the public in on how that ended up to be a win for the city sure 936 Erie Avenue is the former Body shop property. It was the old church converted into the body shop which burnt down that property was listed for I believe $19,000 somewhere in that range $20,000 which was I believe the assessed value on the dirt The property itself is far as Value and future development value is negligible When you go with current codes and you do 10-foot setbacks That property the end result is you have something between a large doghouse and a small shed in the middle of the property so selling that property and developing that property in the future was not a not a not a Likely option for that property. We had the opportunity to make an offer on the property for the city We made a reasonable offer and it just so happened that the owner of that property also owned another property with a land locked Small city parcel Adjacent to his property that he could use for parking So I believe the net On it was we ended up a thousand dollars in the black from the cost of the one property which we offered him I believe What was it 8,500? Yes, was it 8,500? For for the property on 9th and 10th and Erie and we sold the other property for somewhere around a thousand dollars more So we ended up with a net gain We got rid of a land locked piece of property that really had no value the idea on the property of the for the property on 9th and Erie is to make that a Neighborhood garden for the Gateway neighborhood we as you know, we started the revitalization drive this weekend We have now 55 facade grants that are going out to the Gateway neighborhood By a thousand dollars each contractor facade grants to help improve homes We got over 200 people out in the neighborhood this weekend to begin the cleanup in the neighborhood It's a it is a concerted effort with many groups involved including the mayor's office several alderman City development city planning building inspection fire department police department You name it in the city. We're involved. We have some faith-based organizations working under the umbrella of love your city We also have Schwoigen neighborhood pride. We have the neighbors against drugs groups Everybody going into this neighborhood to to get the neighborhood on its feet We are looking to start a community center in the neighborhood We have I believe over 50 people signed up to be part of the neighborhood Association This weekend after the cleanup. We had a had a block party And the idea of this property is to erect a sign that will say Schwoigen's Gateway neighborhood Have the neighborhood association beautify the property whether it be with Landscaping flowers trees whatever they want. Also, we're going to have a message board On that property to post neighborhood happenings events in the neighborhood So it's a it's a net win for the city and it's a big win for the gateway neighborhood And it will look a heck of a lot better than a vacant property to have a beautified property with a gatewood neighborhood Gatewood neighbor gateway neighborhood sign So does anybody need any further explanation? Alderman Boren. Thank you, Mayor Ryan Moving on in the consent agenda to document number 5 6 and that is a Preliminary resolution declaring intent to exercise police power to levy special assessments for the reconstruction of South 18th Street from Washington Avenue to South line of Fox Hill Road and that document comes in with my name on it and that's fine But out of all those properties in that area where the reconstruction is going to be I have three properties that are of my In my district. I talked to Alderman Rindfleisch about this last night and I haven't had a chance to talk to Don for obvious reasons, but Alderman Rindfleisch thought it would be a good idea to add the alderman from the fifth district on to that Document because when the reassessment notices come out, they're going to be getting most of the phone calls and But I agreed I agreed with with Alderman Rindfleisch that I would take my share of calls I understand under the circumstances he and all of them and are going to have their hands full and more than one way So I I would be willing to take the calls, but they should probably take a few So if we could just revise that document to add those to Alderman, I would appreciate it fine. Thank you We don't need a vote on that we can just have does anybody not want to be on that document Okay, you're on Okay, thank you again Alderman Boren that is revised Alderperson kath Thank you, Mayor Ryan If we could vote separately on five four and five dash fifteen I need to abstain Okay, five four Which is the property and five fifteen Okay, any further discussion we have alderman versi Okay, so we are going to do five one through five three and Five five through five fourteen and five sixteen on the consent agenda Roll call, please Oran I folk bowers. Hi Decker. Hi Yasha. Hi Hannon. Hi Hanna. Hi Heidemann. Hi. Koth. Hi Kittlesen. Hi Montemayor. Hi ratki. Hi Rindfleisch Vanderweel. Hi Percy. Hi and wangeman. Hi sixteen eyes motion carries Now we will take five four and five fifteen is a separate vote roll call, please Do you want to do them together or should we just separate? Does anybody want to do those separately? Do them together? By four and five fifteen Okay, and the first one five four would be to accept and file and the res be passed We need a motion We have a motion to second and the second one would be to accept and adopt and the res be passed We have another motion to second Roll call, please Bulk Bowers. Hi Decker. Hi Yasha. Hi Hannon. Hi Hanna. Hi Heidemann. Hi Koth. Upstain Kittlesen. Hi Montemayor. Hi ratki. Hi Rindfleisch. Hi I'm sorry Vanderweal. Hi versi Hi and wangeman. Hi fifteen eyes one abstention motion carries Five seven communications and petitions five seventeen through five twenty five to be referred Alderman Bourne Thank you again mayor Ryan on document number five seventeen That is to go to public protection and safety and it lists on the agenda salary and grievances That should not go to salary and grievances. It should go to strategic fiscal planning That's what I what's I reckon what I recommended and then I also I also have a question on document number five twenty three Obviously, I didn't expect to see all of those petitions those 1002 names, but if I recollect this is a question for for for you sue If I remember back in I think it was oh five or oh six when station number five was being built I believe there was a petition of well over two thousand citizens that were not in favor of that fire station being built And I'm wondering if you would still have those petitions in your heirlooms or wherever you keep them Possibly would keep them because I think it would be interesting to cross-check those signatures With some of the signatures that we just got on this petition. Does that they still exist or not? Sure if it was brought in as a council document we have it So so I would just have to find come up with the official date or could you find it? Well, we can probably find it okay, and it was a document to not build the fire station right station That was a document. I believe there was well over two thousand signatures Of the residents of the south side and city-wide that did not want station five built and I just if it's available I'd like to cross-check some of the signatures. Thank you, and that that could be brought to Public protection and safety obviously for the discussion Okay, so we are on to Reports of officers to five dash twenty six By the assistant city attorney submitting a memo in support of the recommendations of the law and licensing committee and the matter of the quasi-judicial hearing to determine whether or not to renew class B alcohol beverage license number 1808 held by second-home LLC Anthony Krueger agent shall be upheld I am looking for a motion to pull forward Along with this document five dash sixty nine five dash seventy nine and five dash fifty nine do I have a motion? Five sixty nine five seventy nine and five fifty nine all dealing with the same case Have a motion do we have a second on that? Motion in a second all in favor say aye closed motion carries Okay, now according to our house expert the nuts and bolts of the city city clerk Sue Richards We are first to take five dash fifty nine Which is? Five dash fifty nine by Alderman Rindflash authorizing the city attorney to engage the services of special outside legal counsel regarding the non-renewal of class B alcohol beverage license number 2203 Skybox Sports Pub and class B alcohol beverage license number 1808 second-home We are looking for a resolution to suspend and pass Alderman Rindflash Thank you your honor first ask for suspension You have a motion to suspend the rules do we have a second? Motion to second to suspend the rules under discussion There is no discussion anybody opposed to the rules being suspended The rules are suspended Thank you, I asked what the ordinance the resolution excuse me to put upon its passage Motion to second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion there is no discussion roll call, please Gisha hi Hammond hi Hanna. Hi Heidemann hi cut hi Kittleson hi Montemay or hi Radke. Hi Rindflash Vanderwheel hi versi hi wangeman hi Boran abstain Bulk hi Bowers hi and Decker. Hi 15 eyes one abstention Motion carries Next we will take five dash 26 Which I had gone over before 526 by the assistant city attorney submitting a memo in support of the recommendations of the law and Licensing committee in the matter of the quasi judicial hearing to determine whether or not to renew class B alcohol beverage license number 1808 held by second home LLC Alderman Rindflash, thank you. I asked that the report of officer. We accepted in place on file We have a motion in a second to accept in place on file under discussion The honor under discussion We have in front of us a document from the assistant city attorney giving a report to the full cabinet council on The action taken on a quasi judicial hearing regarding the sec license for second home Later on we have a response. It is five dash 79 From the second home Anthony Krueger agents on their side of the issue Historically, we do not debate the findings of facts the finding of facts are stated in the two reports here For the council to peruse and make a decision based on that Thank you Alderman Rindflash any further discussion if there is none If there is none all in favor say aye opposed abstain one abstention Okay, next we will take Five dash seventy nine I can find five seventy nine five Five seventy nine in our row by the city clerk submitting an objection to the law and licensing committee report regarding the non-renewal of Class B alcohol beverage license for second home Alderman Rindflash, thank you your honor. I move with the report of officer be accepted and placed on file We have a motion mix in a second to accept in place on file under discussion Under discussion. This is the second portion of that. This is the response from the interested party on the committee's recommendation to Not renew the license Okay, we have a motion to accept in file any further discussion Thank you, Alderman Rindflash any roll call on that or all in favor say aye opposed abstain one abstention And last we have five dash sixty nine Five sixty nine by law and licensing recommending that the council not renew the class B alcohol beverage license number 1808s held by second home under discussion May we have a motion motion? I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted We have a motion to accept and adopt under discussion Alderman Rindflash, thank you your honor our discussion the two previous reports that the council has a chance to review That sort of sums up the the two sides that the committee Laws in the committee under its function as a quasi-industrial hearing examined really two findings of fact came from this and because one finding a fact is still being Debated in court the council the committee did not examine that and that would be the criminal activity that supposedly occurred on that property However, we did just look at the finding of fact that Anthony Kruger violated chapter 125 misal regulations under a B&C under five sixty nine You can see that as enough finding reasons to not renew the license The committee's decided under the information that upon the annual renewal for four taverns. It is Preferred to not renew then it would be to try to take a license away at a later date Which is far more difficult process and a far more expensive process to the city It's in terms of hiring legal Representation so on did I get all that correct? Yeah, there's just one one item on this I believe it's my understanding from assistant city attorney Adams that the committee did Not require that the objections from The license holder be in writing and my understanding that an individual might be present in the council chambers tonight and I would suggest that you Provide them the opportunity to present Whatever they might have to say an objection Orally tonight. Okay, so we do have a written document, but My understanding is since it wasn't the committee did not Officially require a written it only written document that was probably best at this time then to allow a verbal Okay, I must make that motion to open the floor then to Anthony Kruger We have a motion in a second to open the floor to mr. Kruger if you'd like to speak mr. Kruger if I could also Request that the attorney Volkner come come up to the table here Attorney Volkner is representing the council in this matter. Our office is prosecuting the case and As you passed a Bit belatedly a minute ago the The item to authorize outside council in this matter attorney Volkner is representing the council in this matter So I'll turn it over to him if he's got any Got any questions of him or he's got any advice to the council Very good Mr. Kruger the floor is yours Anthony if you want to pull the mic up just so everybody can hear you to make sure you everybody hears you First of all, I'd like to say I was never given any notice warnings or tickets on any of the following. I do have my invoices here open for Viewing that they are all up to date and organized and they were on the evening in question I was not given any evidence at The law and committee Hearing they say we had bottles of liquor and our purchase from wholesaler Retailer and resold That is untrue as to the bottles being improperly disposed of well everybody is trained to Disface or smash bottles and garbage at this time. I feel it would be wrong to Take my license Or not renew my license at this time also the last Finding of facts that I received Janet on June 4th Or I believe are to have errors in them. I don't believe that Transatted the actions of Sergeant Douglas Tennyson was a routine inspection on February 8th. I also have It states in here on cleanly bar. I Have health department records That go against that fact And it also says that I wanted a delay in The hearing till after Criminal matters might be I have later and that was untrue. I just wanted it delayed To have my lawyer present. So at this point I feel it would be wrong Hey, thank you. Mr. Krueger. Does anybody have any questions for mr. Krueger? Vice president Kittleson. Thank you mayor Thank you It says in addition it appears the committee held its hearing on June 10th 2008 when considering my license renewal I was not made aware of that meeting let alone being present Can somebody tell us what the story? I mean he was not present or wasn't made known Alderman Brent like you are the chairman of the committee. Thank you So I was that the comment here Alderman Kittleson was the question the question was he wasn't made aware that there was a meeting which meeting Well, it says right here the committee held its hearing on June 10th When considering my license renewal, he said he was not made aware of that meeting Was he not present he was not present as he was not able to be present Meeting was rescheduled then to later dates that he could be present Was present at this And it's the finding of the fact he did have a chance to tell his story. Yes. Okay. Thank you June 10th 2008 Paper to give me the Document did not come out of my hand it came out of the attorney's office. I mean I can only assume that's a typo The date on 2008 versus 2010 The matter is clear though that we'd had had a cause of judicial hearing where the prosecution presented his case and Anthony Krueger did defend he was present at that time Is that correct? Thank you, Alderman or inflation any further questions for mr. Krueger There are none. Thank you mr. Krueger Alderman inflation I Have no questions at this time for Anthony Krueger. We did hear it in the committee You know both sides of the issue. I think if you look back at the assistant say attorney's report There's two things, you know that that really two main witnesses that we had heard The first witness is sergeant Tunison Who had listed and I had stopped at eight points of Things that was found on the bar inspection at 6 30 p.m. On February 8th which led us to points a BNC up above for reasons why not to renew the license we did also hear from See Detective Hatch I believe is our position with the sheriff MEG mega unit And gave statements regarding September 6 2009 tip from Crime Stoppers Which eventually led to arrests on the premise there for the possession of I don't have all the details written down, but We're legal drugs and drug transaction that is the following a and B But we did hear the statements on that the purpose of the committee is to find findings of fact and to make judgments based on the findings of fact well the Detective Gave a very strong case finding a fact of what happened on September 6th. We felt that because Anthony Krueger was under Direction for his attorney not to speak on such issue because of that criminal like that criminal charge is still pending or it's still in the process But be aware that we did hear evidence regarding that issue as well at a point in time Okay, so in summary we do have the the two reports I think it's it's pretty clear that there are two different sides of the story and the committee's role in this case is to not to find guilt but to find a Fact if you will I'm based on the facts that we discovered That it was the committee's unanimous recommendations who not read the license. Thank you Alderman Rindfelsch President Kisha, thank you. If I could ask a question counselor a couple of times in Mr. Krueger's letter Document number 579 he notes They didn't receive any warnings or written or otherwise Pertaining to some of these problems. Does that have any bearing at all in What we're talking about here Alderman now notice is not a necessary element if you will of your consideration notices It appears what mr. Krueger is arguing is that he just didn't know about any of this in advance of having the police visit Establishment and discover these things that is not a necessary element of anything we're talking about here today in the context of What the police discovered? so as far as precedent regarding Warnings written or otherwise It's not necessary or I'm looking for precedent of future litigation. Let me provide you with an analogy For example, if you are speeding in your automobile An officer has a discretionary decision as to whether to issue a warning at that particular time or whether to issue a ticket for speeding at that time The analysis is much the same here The officer is not required to provide mr. Krueger with a warning at that point He may choose at that point depending on what he may find to issue a citation or or warning depending on what he believes If I may your honor and follow up with that normally in that case an officer would Take the degree of my speeding degree of my recklessness of and and I would think he would factor that in his professional opinion was such a An opinion given by the officer in this case I don't believe there was any such opinion given with as to the nature and extent outside of the facts that he reported his own Personal observations he did not provide an opinion as to the I guess what I would describe is egregiousness of what he may have seen so the Could I infer from that that his opinion was and is that? This existed this happened this way, and it was enough for him correct layman's terms enough to Clear I won't speculate or provide my summarization of what the officer may have thought but that inference is probably fair. Thank you Thank You President Kisha any further discussion Reflection. Thank you The issue in front of us is a difficult one I don't think there's gonna be a vote that I'm gonna take the rest of How far along I'm in council that's gonna be more difficult because it is a business and Let's be very real that when you vote to not renew a license that let that business going out of business And there's people involved with those families involved with that. I don't take that lightly It's not my goal here to put people out of business But I think that the the weight of the finding of facts the weight of the two witnesses that we had found are very strong and I Urge you to uphold the decision of the committee, which was unanimous Thank You alderman rune flesh any further discussion if there is no roll call, please Hammond hi Hannah Kittleson hi Montemayor hi ratki. Hi Rindflash Vanderweel. Hi versi. Hi wongamon. Hi Boran abstain Bulk Bowers hi Decker hi and Gisha Hi 15 eyes one abstention Motion carries. Thank you attorney. Thank you 5-28 No, let's go back here 527 by the redevelopment authority recommending approving the sale of redevelopment Authority owned property to the south of hygiene fabrics 1301 Erie Avenue if I may explain This is the property that is being sold in relationship in in conjunction with purchasing the property property on 10th and Erie President Gisha. Thank you your honor. I moved that the report of officer be accepted and adopted second We have a motion in a second under discussion If there is no roll call, please Anna Kytoman hi cock abstain Kittleson hi Montemayor. Hi ratki. Hi Rindflash. Hi Vanderweel. Hi versi. Hi wongamon. Hi boron. Hi Bulk Bowers hi Decker hi Gisha. Hi and Hammond. Hi 15 eyes one abstention motion carries 5-28 through 5-51 to be referred Resolutions introduced 3 5-52 by Alderman Gisha awarding the sale of two million forty five thousand dollar general Obligation promissory note series 2010 a president Gisha Previously dealt with your honor. Oh, it has been that's right 552 and 553 I guess we only want to issue those once right Okay, let's try this one five dash 54 by Alderman Gisha authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute amendment number one to tourism promotion and Development agreement with the Sheboygan County Chamber of Commerce incorporated president Gisha. Thank you your honor I moved that the resolution be Accepted and adopted we need a suspension of the rules on this. I believe pardon me. I apologize I'm asking for suspension of the rules on 5-54 We have a motion that's a second on suspension of the rules Alderman Rindflash. Would you like an explanation? No, I'm fine. Okay, great. I've got one just in case As anybody opposed to the rules being suspended Then I move that the resolution be put upon a passage seconds. We have a motion to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion If there is none roll call, please item and I God Kittleson I Montemay or I rat key. I Rindflash. Hi Vanderwheel. Hi, Percy. Hi, Wongaman. Hi foreign I bulk Bowers I Decker hi Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi and Hannah 16 eyes motion carries 5-55 by Alderman Gisha accepting $654,000 in federal funds from the Department of Commerce Community Development Block Grant emergency Assistance program also known as the CDBG dash EAP to be used for designated storm sewer and road Reconstruction projects president Gisha Thank You your honor. I moved that the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion your honor It's always nice to receive money Although this money is that we're getting is federal money, so it's spread out amongst all taxpayers and it is taxpayer money across the country We set aside roughly $200,000 for many storm sewers out of the Capital improvement budget this year. I think everybody on the committee felt that wasn't enough Average cost between 25 and $75,000 for a mini storm not including the road replacement and stuff. It doesn't go very far I'd like to commend our development office and particularly Chad Pellecek who is deeply involved with this In applying for these emergency assistance funds. This then will leverage our 200,000 into $854,000 in mini storm sewer work Thank You president Kisha Any further discussion Alderman Hannah Thank You Approximately how many mini storm sewers going to take care of for that roughly It was a sizable list It would be it would be a definitely a ballpark estimate This will allow Alderman Bourne actually to walk down some of the streets again This is this is excellent, so I would say that the department has a Prioritized list from last year And it is an extensive list and they will utilize all those dollars to make it down that list in the item You know it was a highly prioritized Actually on that number Chad Pellecek can answer that if you'd like have a motion to open up the microphone to please Motion a second Thank You mayor and comic council actually that is not being used for many storms. Oh Document that's attached to it. It's being used for Continuation of the fifth in New York project Storm sewer last year that the commerce grant funded 402,000 of storm sewer improvements on North 6th Street This will be funding some extensions off of that in Wisconsin Avenue New York Avenue So it's a blend of CDBG entitlement and EAP dollars to continue expanding out of the fifth in New York storm sewer project So you're saying that you're gonna close the street again when I just was able to drive down it probably okay great Your honor if I can clarify Chad it is for storm sewer projects. Just not mini storm sewer. That's correct Sorry, sorry for the mini put it. That's right big storm sewers big ones big ones Any further discussion if there is none roll call, please Motion carries 5-56 By Alderman Hannah lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire for firefighter paramedics Mayor three person hole, please Three-man hold I guess is the correct term three man hold we have one I Need to have who it is, please looks like we got a four-man hold going But anybody like to back out of the three-man hold We now have a three-man hold we have Alderman born Alderman bauke and Alderman Bowers On a three-man hold there is no further discussion on the subject. It is done for the evening It would be born bauke and Bowers Born bauke and Bowers correct Okay, next 5-57 by Alder person Kittles Kittles in authorizing city to enter into contract for providing Sheboygan transit short-term disability insurance coverage Vice president Kittleson, thank you mayor. Thank you. I would ask to suspend the rules I believe on this first we have a motion to suspend do we have a second second Motion in a second to suspend the rules Under discussion under discussion. I think that there's some time here that we need to get this going so that that would be The reason for suspending under discussion on suspension of the rules alderman bowers only on suspension of the rules Would you like to speak on that? No, okay And I would be Alderman Hammond on suspension of the rules. Are you peeped in or is this alderman born? Not it's on this on this document. Okay, very good. I'd still says claw units on my list here So I didn't know which one of you Okay Then I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage Okay, do we have a second? Second motion a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion under discussion I'd ask director Rice is he still here or actually Ron McDonald could come up and speak on this for us as well a Director of transit Ron McDonald will speak on this issue. Thank you. Thank you This is for short-term disability policy for the transit department The transit department does not issue sick leave to its employees instead. We have a short-term disability policy that Basically the first three days of being sick is on the employees nickel and then the fourth day and beyond it's paid at Two-thirds of their wages What we've had this in place long before my time here and what we've done is through the assistance of Mr. Rice We got a quote for a new insurance policy and we're going to be experiencing about a 54 percent savings annually on our premium By going to this policy Thank you any questions for Director McDonald know all the men born Thank You may Ryan Ron is there was there any effort to to Have the an employee premium share on this is the city responsible for the full premium or is is this a negotiated item with the contract that they Don't pay premiums or was it an effort made to have the employees pay part of this premium? This is a premium that's paid in lieu of sick leave So the employee does not contribute, but it's it's far cheaper than if we Gave sick leave like everybody else does in the city Annually it's going to cost us about $15,000 for sick leave and for the entire department of the unionized folks, so It's a better much better deal for us and providing the typical sick leave benefit Thank you President Kisha just a clerical question Ron that's great stuff. Thank you, and there's no Fight form attached to this unless I'm missing it somewhere which would have explained to all alderman before the meeting I'm not picking on Eugene. It's just kind of an illustration. We would have understood This was half the amount the savings of 54 percent We would have understood this was in the budget and what and the public would it more important the rest of us The public would have understood that this is a great thing and and would have had these questions answered prior to It not a pick on I've missed them too, so I'm not calling the kettle a different color here It's just a good time to illustrate that point If I could just make it a last comment I think part of the problem was we were hoping to get this done for the June premium It would have been under the $15,000 threshold, but as we got closer to it We looked at it and they missed a few things on the policy and put it over the $15,000 mark But I think it was $15 which caused it to have to come to council So we're under the gun and it just that's why it occurred. It wasn't trying to In the moral of the story is don't forget the fight. That's right. Okay any further discussion. Thank you run Alderman Bowers. Did you have a question? Just one question When we're trying to reduce expenses and we're asking the employees to pay part Was that ever brought up to them at all being part of the premium? That was not negotiated is part of their contract, but we are reducing our costs by 54% by going to this policy So the the cost is 54% less than By buying a policy and then giving them this this is costing 54% less than the former policy Oh, you had a policy before it's been in place for years Yes, this is just renewing the policy because there's a soft insurance market and for a lot of reasons We're able to put out and get a new policy that's going to save us about 54% per year by going to this new policy Thank you Alderman Bowers president Kisha Yeah, only because it was brought up twice some clarification might be necessary as to whether they went back to the employees and asked for it Under the state of Wisconsin's collective bargaining rules Mediation arbitration right on down the line as a member of the bargaining team for last year You learn a lot and you can't just say you can't even actually Well, let's just face it. It's a fantasy would never happen unless it happens once a year in that bargaining table That's why that bargaining time is critical and highly important So I would encourage all Alderman to be involved with the bargaining process if they so choose Because you will learn real quickly what you can and can't do and this is one of those can't do Okay, any further questions further comment. Thank you run There is no further comment roll call, please Kittleson I Montemay or I Radke. Hi Rin Flesch. Hi Vanderweal. Hi Versi. Hi Wongamun. Hi, Warren. Hi Bowers Decker Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi Demin. Hi and cut. Hi 16 eyes motion carries 5-58 by Alderman Rin Flesch authorizing the city attorney To engage the services of special didn't we know special outside legal counsel regarding the suspension Revocation of beverage operators license number 8215. This is a different one Alderman Rin Flesch. Thank you, Your Honor again. I need to ask for suspension We have a motion to suspend rules do we have a motion in a second under discussion There's no discussion is anybody opposed to the rules being suspended. They are suspended. Thank you, Your Honor Next I ask that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion There is no real call, please Montemay or I rat key. Hi Rin Flesch. Hi Vanderweal. Hi, Versi. Hi, Wongamun. Hi Boren. Hi Boke Bowers. Hi Decker. Hi, Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi Heidemann. Hi, Scott. Hi and Kittleson. Hi 16 eyes motion carries President Gisha, sorry to interrupt, but this would be another example where the question is What's in the budget? What's left over in the budget and And the expenditure of funds or a financial information forum would be helpful to the public into the council Don't forget the fife. Thank you Okay five dash sixty lies over five dash sixty one through five dash sixty seven to be referred five dash sixty eight report of committee six to be referred report of committee Seven five dash seventy by law and licensing recommending denying taxi cab drivers license number 8546 based upon the applicants failure to cooperate with the committee Alderman Rin Flesch. Thank you, Your Honor. I Asked that the report of committee be accepted and adopted We have a motion and a second under discussion Thank you is Doris Fry here She's here your honor I believe the last meeting which I did miss due to the birth of my daughter that Miss Fry had asked for another meeting after missing two meetings at the law licensing committee At the last meeting She was given the chance to appear. She did not appear So once again a recommendation is to deny the license based on the failure to cooperate with the committee It's been three times already. Thank you Alderman Rin Flesch Miss Fry. Would you like to speak? Have a motion to open the floor. I believe so move second all in favor Please all I can say is that I didn't get the notice that there Was a meeting that I was supposed to be at the meeting until the day after when I got Brown slip in the mail Saying that I needed to pick up a certified letter at the post office I did call and the city attorney did tell me that there was one mail to my house, but I never received it. I Mean I live on 10th and Between 10th and 11th and Erie and there has been problems with people stealing mail I don't know if that's what happened or what but I mean I really need my taxi license I mean that is the only job that I have to support my Child, I don't have a spouse to help Alderman born Thank You Mayor Ryan Alderman Rin Flesch other than the failure to cooperate with the committee failure to appear Was there anything on on this woman's? Record that you got from attorney Adams that would indicate that you would have not granted the license You know on any violations that were related to the license activity. Thank you on remuneration the report would We get from attorney Adams would be based on probably some The fact you didn't list some kind of conviction that we had questions about The problem is is that we don't have a chance to ask about that in that in that setting when they don't attend the meeting We hold that committee very seriously It is not a very big there isn't a lot of public involved people can open up and talk with us about You know the reasons why and we can make recommendations why do so but this time You know, it would be as if we were going to all keep you know committee items and bring it to the full council I would ask you not to to even you know Really look at that this issue right now if you want to send it back send it back We'll give her a fourth time if you really want to the point being though is if it's that important to her for this as a career Three chances to make the meeting is something that we see very strongly that that you know We need to be able to ask the important questions and we need to be able to get those answers up front So that we can make a recommendation. We don't have that right now. Thank you alderman. We're in place alderman born Thank you, mayor Ryan. I will make a motion to refer this back to the committee again But alderman rune flash do you have the date and the time of your next meeting that you can give this woman tonight? She'll probably still be noticed by certified mail I believe Attorney McLean, but if you have the date and the time that this woman could write this down tonight In the event that that happens that the mail doesn't come through again You're duly noticed tonight then if alderman rune flash can give you the date and the time and the location of the meeting, please Thank you next Tuesday, June 15th 5 o'clock at the police station On our 23rd, do you want me to write that down? Okay, so we have a motion in a second to send this back to the law and licensing committee any further discussion for the discussion your honor I understand the need to Because it's so important to her for a career to send it back. I worry though that the president's being set We gave one opportunity that somebody Down the road has probably more severe items chooses not to cooperate with the committee. We're gonna keep egging this on We're gonna have more and more in my mind. We're gonna more and more candidates applicants coming back Seeking delay So I ask you not to support the motion. I think three times has been enough. Thank you Thank you for your comments alderman rune flash You know, I'm I don't get a vote on this matter unless it's a tie anyway But I believe miss fry that she didn't get the didn't get the notices. I think she's believable Any further discussion? Thank You miss fry. There is no further discussion The vote is to send it Refer back to law and licensing and I would be to send back Roll call, please ratki And I vote we'll send it back to committee on licensing Rinflesh no Vander wheel I Versi I Wonkerman no Boran I Boke Bowers I Decker I Yesha. Hi Hammond. Hi Hanna Heidemann I caught no Kittleson I Montemay or I Thirteen eyes three nose will return to law and licensing committee miss is miss fry still here. Yes Alderman Rinflesh. It's Tuesday June 15th at 5 p.m. At the police station on North 23rd You're welcome Okay, that was five dash 70 we are on to 571 by law and licensing Recommending denying beverage operators license number 8566 based upon the applicant's failure to include all relevant convictions Record of violations related to the license activity and record as an habitual violator Alderman Rinflesh. Thank you, your honor. I asked the reported committee be accepted and adopted We have a motion in a second under discussion our discussion is William Murphy here He's not here your honor. Please continue. All right based on as the note says the habitual violator History was long He was given two chances to appear Certified mail. He did not appear. It is our unanimous recommendation to deny the license. Thank you Okay, we have a motion in a second Any further discussion? There is no roll call, please Rinflesh. Hi Vander wheel. Hi, Percy. Hi, Longamon. Hi, Boren. Hi, Bulk Bowers. Hi, Decker. Hi, Yesha. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hanna Heidemann. Hi, Coss. Hi, Kittleson. Hi, Montemayor. Hi and Radke. Hi 16 eyes motion carries reports of committees 8 5-72 by finance Recommending authorizing entering into an agreement for human resources and labor relations consulting services with HR Unlimited LLC and passing the attached resolution with the amended agreement president Kisha. Thank you your honor I move that the resolution be accepted and adopted second We have a motion in a second under discussion. I'd like to scold myself this time your honor regarding an incomplete fight for Learning experience for me. You'll see on the back page. You have the financial forum discussing where this money is coming from of what it Was left it shows amount budgeted for the current year is zero The amount budgeted for the current year is seventy five thousand dollars plus Benefits so you can it's rule of thumb at about fifty percent more on to that In this case, we are paying the equivalency of just the seventy five thousand dollars For the services of mr. Rice as you can read through the contract We both have the ability to make changes in this contract as far as extending not extending as we see fit But it's important for the public and the council to know that this saves us Roughly half or about thirty two thousand dollars Going about it this way and we've been very happy with the services of mr. Rice. I agree Any further discussion Yeah We have a motion and a second second you have a motion in the second any further discussion Roll call, please van der Wiel Versi I Bowers Hi, Decker. Hi. Yes, yeah. Hi, Hannah. I'm sorry Hammond. Hi, Hannah Hi, Devin. Hi, I Kittleson. Hi, Montemure. Hi, Radke. Hi and Rinflaish. Hi 16 eyes motion carries five dash seventy three by finance Recommending authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2010 budget established revenue and appropriations for thermal imaging camera Contribution for community policing funds from state for police From state for training and funds received for police Street Crimes unit president Gisha Thank You your honor. I moved at the report of committee be accepted and adopted We have a motion in a second under discussion. No fight form needed its money coming in Okay If there is no discussion roll call, please mercy. Hi, Wongamun. Hi Boran. Hi, Boke. Hey Bowers. Hi, Decker. Hi, Gisha. Hi, Hammond. Hi, Hannah Heidemann. Hi, Kat. Hi, Kittleson. Hi, Montemure. Hi, Radke. Hi Rinflaish and van der Wiel. Hi 16 eyes motion carries five dash seventy four by salaries and grievances Recommending lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire a finance director slash treasurer Alderman Hannah Sorry in grievances isn't that your committee? Still your committee you sure you don't want to sponsor it Alderman Gisha, thank you Share his fight form. There is no fight form necessary at this time because there's no established Financial right draw. So I moved that the report of committee be accepted and adopted second We have a motion in a second under discussion. Just so everybody's clear our finance director treasurer is Has moved to the county. We had a big thank you for him And this opens the ability for us to actually post for this position at that time I believe salary and grievance will be reviewing the job description and and the table of organization regarding it Any further discussion? If there is none roll call, please Wongamun. Hi foreign Bulk Bowers Decker Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi to men. Hi. Conn. Hi Kittleson. Hi Montemure. Hi Radke. Hi Rinflaish. Hi van der Wiel. Hi and versey. Hi 16 eyes motion carries ordinances introduced 10 5 dash 75 lies over 5 dash 76 through 5 dash 78 to be referred Matters laid over 11 4 dash 42 general ordinance number 20 dash 10 dash 11 by Alderman Hannah Gisha van der Wiel and versey reestablishing the salary schedule for a certain designated elected official Also known as the municipal court judge Alderman Hannah. Would you like this one? I'd be delighted to take this one. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage Second we have a motion in a second under discussion Alderman Boren Thank You man Ryan Alderman Hannah, could you explain what the process was for offering the Municipal Court judge a raise was any of this based on performance of the municipal court or was it just time to Consider giving her a raise Alderman Hannah excellent question Some of that was taken to consideration Most of what we did was compare with other cities like size similar positions And we went on a low very low end of the range Thank You Alderman Hannah Alderman bow. Thank You mr. Mayor, and that document's missing from my pack Can you just remind me of what the what the numbers are going from what none to what I did not bring my notes Going from oh 37 in 11, so what's she making now anybody now she's going to be Okay, thank you flat modest and modest That answers your question well very good a lot for a part-time role, but we'll keep paying it Thank You Alderman poke Alderman red flesh. Thank you honor Scuttlebutt here in the back side of the room here is that we didn't actually get the document in our packets So there's several of us that aren't participating in the debate because we have no idea Julie is this the one that you found on the back of One of the documents early in the evening. I'm wondering. Yes. I think you have it But it got stapled to something else. How do we make a motion to hold? Yeah Can't everybody There is I know a time frame What six months? 13 months I believe 13 months prior to that election and she's up for election As soon as we can get rid of the time frame we can we have time to wait for the next council me Folks really should be able to review the document Or you can search through your pile and find it on which one it's Mr. Mayor Alderman Bob and thank you Chairman Hanna for that offer Hearing the flat modest and modest is good enough for me. You don't need to hold it for me. I don't know how the rest We had a motion to hold but no second So we have still have a motion in a second to put the ordinance upon its passage Any further discussion? I'll remember no Roll call, please Born I bow bowers. Hi, Decker. Hi Gisha. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi Heidemann. Hi. Hi Kittleson. Hi, Montemay or hi Radke. Hi, Rinflash. Hi Vanderwheel. Hi, Percy. Hi and Longamon 16 eyes and the clerk's office apologizes Motion carries Other matters authorized by law attorney McLean 5-80 is submitting communication from various property owners on North Taylor Drive stating that North Taylor Drive from North Avenue to the cul-de-sac at the end of North Taylor Drive Stating that this street is in very poor condition with many multiple patched potholes That will be referred to city planning and public works 5-81 is an arrow by the director of public works Regarding The proposed resolution allowing the public works director and police chief to conduct the light vehicle Maintenance at the police vehicle garage in order to best utilize the existing personnel will also be referred to public works 5-82 is the resolution authorizing public works director and police chief the discretion to carry out light Vehicle maintenance at the police department's vehicle storage garage public works 5-83 is a communication from Linda emory property manager a piggly wiggly northwest Requesting permission to install a mailbox an appropriate reserved or no parking signage in a designated area directly in front of their offices at 2215 Union Avenue, which will be devoted to US Postal Service trucks only that will be referred to public protection and safety 584 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2011 and June 30 2012 law and licensing 585 is also an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2011 law and licensing 586 is a communication from the greater shabuagan committee with the subject matter being shabuagan fire department issues and answers Will be referred to the committee of the whole the strategic fiscal planning committee and public protection and safety 587 is a communication from Catherine before sending the rationale for the waiter crossing Science on south 8th street. That will be referred to public protection and safety And it's actually a pretty cool sign. We have a motion to adjourn Have a motion and a second all in favor say aye We are