 Welcome to Breeder's Syndicate, the only cannabis show breaking down the myths and history in cannabis. I'm Matthew, seed maker for over a decade and a half, and this is my journey into finding my truth in this wild world of cannabis. I invite you to join me and the Canaluminati by strapping into the passenger seat, but be warned, it's not always pretty. With the invasion of corporate culture into cannabis, it's getting even more muddy, which is why I've made it my mission to have a permanent record before all the history is lost and buried under a pile of cookies. We're the traditional market. The Syndicate is a collection of seed makers that want to push back against all the smoke and mirrors. In doing so, we will continue to ruffle the feathers of those who oppose, and my personal mission has become much bigger than myself. Welcome to the Cannabis Underground. This is the Revolution. Hi, I'm Matthew. Welcome to Breeder's Syndicate. I'm here with my co-host, Thousand Fold. Today, we are going to be talking about cannabis around the world from America to Europe to Australia. And today, I have my good friend Goldcutt, right? See, Co-Europe, do you even Goldcutt and our good buddy Matt Booze from Group by Seeds over in Australia. So we got Austria in Australia to confuse everyone. Thank you guys for being here. It's a pleasure to have you. Good evening. Hey, guys. Yeah, hello, guys. I thought we would warm up by just going around and saying, like, how long have you been growing slash involved with the plant? And what have you liked growing or smoking recently? Maybe Booze, you start? Yeah, sure, man. Hey, guys. Yeah, I've been growing since 2015 now. So I started smoking 2011, just normal shit at school. I started smoking. It's pretty common over here. I think like most people at school generally like grade 11, 12 would start smoking. I think it's more common than not. And yeah, from then on, man got into it from a more sort of advanced level. Started getting into the genetics and stuff. Like prior to that, the scene over here, you could only really get one type of cannabis. So that was obviously Booze and stuff if you knew someone. But for the most part, it's been sort of like gang run for a long time. It's just the same sort of shit. It's like compact PGR stuff that everyone was getting. So prior to getting exposure to cannabis, that was sort of my only real knowledge of it. But then when I was 17, I went over to Europe and spent some time in Switzerland for sort of 12 months living over there. And then I started to see what cannabis could really be like sort of low stuff from Amsterdam and that. And yeah, sort of when I came home, it was back to the old shit again, the old compact PGR. And yeah, just started growing after that. Thought, you know, it's got to be better than this. And if I can't get it, I'll just do it myself. I've only recently seen what you're referring to as compact PGR. Like pictures of it. I think you sent them to me or someone did. That wasn't maybe something. It was, yeah, I was surprised. I was surprised because I thought like, I mean, I'm used to California bad. But it's comparable, I think. Yeah, I'm going to, I think booze and I will have a little exchange about that later on. We talk about the flower locally available. It's not much different actually than our Mexican for here, like for Americans or if you were in California growing up or Mexican brick. I think it would be akin to that maybe for you guys. Yeah, well, let's talk about it in a bit. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know, man. Like this stuff is something else. Okay, wait, booze before before we move to gold cut. What have you liked growing and smoking recently? Well, since coming into the syndicate, I've obviously gotten a lot of extra gear. And prior to that, it was just like finding random breeders on Instagram. And it's really hard to get seeds into Australia unless you're trying to get through like fucking. I love growing marijuana or seeds man or something like that. Yeah, you know, it's going to be a lot of generic like hit and miss shit. But yeah, man, since coming into the syndicate, I've grown a bunch of just done some blue TK from Matt. I've been smoking on this morning, but also a bit of some outdoor shit too. I'm doing some sativa stuff now. I've got some a five haze BC from Lush and I'm planning on doing big run of them in the greenhouse this summer. So yeah, I'm a bit more into stuff too. Yeah. Yeah, man. I see Wally stuff. I got a bunch of some weight and like it's tricky because like we were talking about, I want to really get into the grown plants outdoors and doing some breeding for outdoors similar to what Wally's done. So some of the shit like the C five mango mango haze IBL, but I got like 40, 50 of each. So I'm sort of waiting. I want to pop them all at once and have a look at that stuff. So I'll put that on the back burner for a little while. Shout out Wally. Okay, man. Well, he's a legend. Really nice guy. Thanks for that booze. Yeah. Gold cut. You know, how long have you been involved with the plant? How did you get involved with the plant? And then secondarily, what have you been enjoying growing and or smoking recently? So I think it started getting involved with the plant in general. I'm a gardener. So I have a gardener's gardener's apprenticeship and master's degree and during that time I already got in contact. But I think really what really made me start to cultivate was we didn't want to buy hash from the hash bars, the shady hash bars in Vienna anymore. And so that was kind of, I think that was kind of the motivation because we all found out through a bunch of guys in Vienna found out through high times magazines that there are seeds and that you can cultivate at home and stuff like that. And I think that's how we got started. And I collected bag seeds. So very early on I collected bag seeds and I started those at one point with my mom's place and had a bunch of plants and from there on I think I never stopped cultivating. And what I recently did and liked was most of the Kemi stuff that we have here. I do like that stuff a lot. When did you start seeing the Kemi stuff show up like legit Kemi stuff? When we, my team brought it. Exactly. I mean, it kind of fairly, it happened long after it was here, right? Like you had to really work to get it. I think that most of the representations of whatever they call Kemi is what you often talked about. It is sold an illusion or a desperate wish to have something authentic. And most of it is crap. But I think through a bunch of breeder from abroad, it's now possible for everybody to enjoy a good Kemi cross or just a Kemi or whatever you choose. Exactly. Yeah, it's much more available now through reputable people. Back in the day, you're right. It was so hit or miss. I mean, I was talking to someone earlier about an old cut that I was one of the last people to have and watched it die. And they're pretty sure that they have this cut. But they've never smoked it. They don't know the person they got it from, never smoked it, never been around for it, the brand new person. And they sourced it from this person, but they said they were waiting to smoke it to see if it's real. And at that point, I was kind of like, but is that going to answer your questions on whether it's real or not? So, you know, I think it's interesting that a lot of many years later, we, we here find out that Super Skunk was something Kemi, something, you know, in this direction. Yep. Yep. A lot of many years later. So people kind of, I think they got it all, you know, mixed up with, with other skunks that are far from, from, from this direction. Yeah. Isn't that like realistically, like we were trying to convince you guys to buy something that was probably already over there in a similar fashion, just with a different name. Yeah, but poorly selected. Yeah. Poorly selected Super Skunk over there. Yeah. Or, or Shiva's kind of something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Shiva was popular. Yeah. For a long time, for a very long time. Yeah. And Shiva for those listening was in all five skunk one, I believe. Thank you both for, yeah, getting us warmed up. And so, yeah, today's episode really will always doing is we're going to go through some of the, you know, basic things like, you know, what sort of flowers available where you are, what kinds of seeds, you know, historically, what's the culture been like, legality. So we'll run through some of these basic questions. And I would also like to preface everyone that of course, not a single one of us can perfectly represent where we come from or like be a perfect authority. Speak for yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Knowledge. Absolutely. Knowledge of everything American. So we just try to give like our perspective, you know, anecdotes from what we know, how the fragmentary. And yeah, we just hope there will be an interesting conversation and maybe we'll learn some things about different places and how they've approached the plant. Yeah. So, yeah, and saying that as we, as we all know, America's always going to be the like point of reference so we can grow Matt whenever yeah, make fun of America. And yeah, don't hesitate to ask each other like questions as we go along. For sure. So the first, I think the first topic that I wanted to get to was just just legal status. You know, where is your country's last region in terms of legality right now? Booze, maybe we start with you. Yeah. So we've currently got a model of medical legalization happening. It's been happening since 2017 or 18. I had a acquaintance, whatever, who was like one of the first patients in Australia and he had a brain tumor. And so that was the type of condition that you had to have to get onto the medical register to begin with. And then it was extremely expensive as well, man. It was like 1000 bucks an ounce and it was, you know, all Canadian shit anyway. But now we're at a model where people are cultivating. So there's cultivation licenses. I haven't seen any of it like any of the Australian stuff. The only shit I've seen, like I'm not on the medical or anything. The only shit I've seen is the Canadian and it's all like, it's actually reminiscent of that shit that I saw in my youth man a little bit, like not in terms of like, you know, I don't have to PGR or whatever, but some compact shit. Like it's overdried. It doesn't have a lot of a smell. I hear a lot of it's irradiated as well. So there is obviously products, but, you know, it's far from good in my opinion at the moment. But yeah, aside from that, you know, it's been decriminalized to grow two plants in the ACT. So it's down in Canberra. Just fucking weird because it's where like all the politicians are. So it's like this tiny little state, I guess similar to like Washington DC, you know, and that's, that's the one place that they've voted that you can grow. So that's, that's a trip. That's bizarre. Yeah. Yeah, it's a trip. But yeah, I think so, man. That's sort of it at the moment, like the medical license I was speaking to a guy about this recently. It has sort of been geared towards chads. Same as everywhere else. It's like, you know, even a research license, you know, Yeah, that's it. So it's sort of been, you know, taking the keys to the kingdom type bullshit. So I've, you know, I've been a bit pessimistic about the whole thing. But in terms of actual like legality, like getting busted and stuff, it's pretty tame here. Like unless you've, I know people that have been done with, you know, upwards of 100 plants and have just gotten fine slap on the wrist, stuff like that. So it's, it's nothing major. So it's pretty conducive growing environment. Obviously the outdoor environment as well and everything like that. It's pretty fucking conducive to growing cannabis down under. And yeah, I'm seeing a lot more of it now. I didn't know any growers like my fucking dream when I was young was like, man, I seem to find like one of these old hippies that they're talking about and just get weed from him. You know what I mean? Where's these old dudes with the bushes out of the back. But yeah, so we're back in the day. Yeah. Didn't know a lot of growers, but now it seems just everyone and their mums cultivating man. So yeah, an overgrown type model, I think. Okay. Well, yeah, I'm jealous. You know, New Zealand is definitely not quite at the same point. There's no degree of decriminalization anywhere yet. We do have a fairly fledgling medical scene. But yeah, in terms of like cultivation, I can only assume that there are a whole lot of growers in this country. I don't actually know that for sure. One other relevant historical point is that we did have a referendum on decriminalization a few years ago and sadly it did not go through narrowly. As you know, as you know this, which was heartbreaking, very tragic. And other than that, similar to what you said, Bruce, at least in terms of what I've found, enforcement, I would say they're generally pretty tolerant towards like consumers and small growers. Yeah, it's, I think it's very rare to see anyone on that end of things get properly prosecuted. But definitely if you make it their problem, they will still do something. Like if you fill a house full of plants and people can see it or smell it, like you're still going to get something. Are you using one of those? Oh, sorry. Yeah, I think it's definitely a regional thing. Like the country is a thin strip of land that kind of goes north to south. So you do get a few different climates down the length of it. And I imagine some, I imagine further up north would be a lot better than down south towards the south pole. Yeah, definitely. But yeah, I had a buddy, it's just, you know, obviously the land of the Long Green Cloud connotation, but I had a buddy that lived in the North Island and she had, you know, uncles and stuff who would head into the hills on quad bikes and come back with garbage bags and shit like that. So I guess that's never made its way, sort of down to where you are. Yeah, I imagine they're parts of the country which are like, I don't know, maybe like California or like Colorado. Climate-wise I'm just guessing. I don't actually know this, but I think there are some really good spots. But yeah, I mean, implicitly I will, we didn't include New Zealand in the title of the episode, but I will speak to it whenever I can. I don't have any links to the traditional way of doing that. Gold cut, legality in Austria, and maybe, I don't know if you want to speak for Europe as well, maybe in a little bit, broad stroke it a little bit. Well, Austria is a weird example amongst the European countries because here you can buy seeds and plants. You can buy grow equipment in a lot of grow shops. For the size of our country, I think it's quite big in comparison to other countries around us, but with the legality, for instance, we can produce plants and sell them as ornamental plants more or less. You have to inform your customers that those plants should not be used for protection. Legal drug production or sales of any types of things that are not legal in Austria. But when it comes to there's a lot of cultivation going on in Austria. A lot. From everything, from the home grower with a tent in his apartment to very big facilities run by guys. Organizations or guys. I think what Austria, especially the police, still wants to make money with pulling you over fucking with your driver's license sending you to a peace test. This machinery behind it. You're in test. I got busted with 0.2 grams 20 years ago or 25 years ago. And I had to give peace test every three months every three months for three years. They could pull you over on the side of the road and make you piss right there. I was like what? They could get you to the police office and let you peace there. Every three months for three years. Yeah, but it changed. It's different now. That was 25 years ago. I think it's even worse now. So the legality is it really depends. In the city, I would say for me in Vienna it's pretty cool. You smell weed everywhere. But on the countryside it's a whole different story. There's barely any there's no acceptance on the countryside for drug people from the city. How there is medical but as far as I know and don't quote me on that you only there's only a chance for you to get into a medical program where you get thrown up in all if everything else failed all the other therapies failed then you have the right and even that I think is pretty difficult. There is an Austrian state funded cannabis production but they sell all the products to Germany to make the big question mark when it comes to legal cannabis. I do want to add here that in terms of accessing medical in New Zealand it's actually relatively easy now so I would say that there are few barriers to getting access to medical beyond it costing a lot. It's expensive. In terms of the countries around you what's going on with Germany I've heard some things about Germany opening up is that a thing do you think that will affect where you are? Oh yeah for sure if it definitely affected I think every surrounding country all the neighboring countries of Germany will be affected by it because people will say hey we want that too without knowing what it means to have new regulations and seeing what unfolds there is like everybody was so enthusiastic careful of legal cannabis let's go and now they're like you can have clubs but they cannot there's no social consuming everything has a thousand questions that even the guys who made the laws cannot answer if you ask me so but look at Germany man it's a huge country it's people so I don't know it's going to be very interesting in the next 2 to 5 years to see where Germany is heading I mean it's my neighboring country I speak German you can understand as a big club producer for many years I do look at Germany and think imagine having a couple companies there producing for the German market that would be fucking amazing yeah I think that would have big consequences for everyone but what I heard already what made me laugh was the Austrian border police to Germany to Bavaria is ringing the allowance they need more people because there's going to be a bunch of smuggling and from Bavaria which is even it's so so strict against cannabis that I don't even think they will have clubs there but Austria is sounding the alarm is funny to me yeah my Swiss buddies they won't even smoke anymore in the wintertime and they want to go skiing because I go skiing up near Bavaria obviously and have to drive through there yeah it's weird because in Bavaria I think like Hofbohlhaus and stuff like that people are getting pissed but they're strong but not not tolerated have you guys got a decriminalized model for CBD? similar to Switzerland? can you just go to the shops and get CBD? CBD is everywhere CBD turned into a commodity here lifestyle product recreational product is everywhere like flowers or just the flowers and oils actually it's a trip how are they going to know? if you got a bag of CBD weed or a bag of herb that's what you mean it's really confused the cops here they were pissed they were pissed at the industry because people got busted and they had the jars from the shop but with their own stuff in it and they had even had a receipt from the shop that's what I had from the shops cost a lot of problems people thought that they can smoke CBD and drive but you were a lot negative yeah if you have a lot of negative on kids if you smoke CBD so yeah even if it's like 1%, 2% or whatever it's still going to come up they're doing a new trial if you do it over a certain time and I think some of the CBD flowers that people sold were not 0.2% 0.3% they were 1% and more if you smoke it on a regular basis like cigarettes and then you get pulled over and yeah it was wild I worked 2 years in the CBD industry in Austria for a big producer and it was wild we could do an episode just about that but I'm not sure I'm just curious this is a good segue because the next section is just going to be us talking about flower and I know that obviously we all will not have further insights into what people are growing and breeding and what seeds are available but I thought for this first section we just pretend we don't know as much about that and just talk about what flower deserves to be available whether in terms of trends or in terms of things that stood out to you or any of those things so yeah booze, I mean obviously we can talk traditional we can talk about what you know of legal flower as well but impressions of flower maybe growing up and what you see on the market now yeah man so in Australia heavy days has actually gone over this but yeah those two traditional types of cannabis you get the bush or you get the hydra so hydro I went over for the most part it was just the peach the PGR compact and it was funny about that man it was Australia wide you'd see photos of like from Melbourne and even you in New Zealand it was like it was the same shit I don't know if it was like the same cutting that was passed around and grown or whatever and is yeah well PGR is the plant growth regulator so there's a lot of products that have PGRs there's natural PGRs like trichontinol Malfalfa and stuff like that but this one in particular they were using like buds well products and yeah it was weird man the flower resulted in this clumpy covered in red hairs massive stems like you get these tiny little claw leaves but they had like massive stems on them on the little like bud leaflets so strange sort of smell basementy you know like a musky sort of smell not currently going to the high because it was fucking pretty non-existent but you know general sort of narcotic thing which when I've spoken to crybaby and a lot of people and Matt you as well obviously people have this opinion that Australians are really into sativas but I think because of this shit most people sort of tend to look at cannabis as like a narcotic experience now so yeah because of this this peach a lot of people of I don't know just associate the Indica high with cannabis but yeah aside from that man the bush so I always loved bush whenever I could get it so Nimbun is a town a lot of people have heard of Nimbun is probably two and a half as the crow flies driving from me like two and a half hours so I had there probably like once a week when I was getting older I just didn't want to be around the PGR shit anymore and trafficable amounts probably about two ounces here so you know I didn't want to exceed that so yeah I was heading down there every week every two weeks and you get bush and it was my preference you know generally it was more of a sativa sort of experience big green chunky resinous flowers tropical smells you'd get hit or miss but that was actually where I got my first seeds so my first growers were from seeds from that bush weed from down there and you'd get hydro as well you get you know shit that slap a name on green crack you know cookies stuff like that which was a lot more expensive but yeah the bush man yeah you get decent rates so that and then obviously medical these days as I said it's not the greatest but yeah better than it used to be at least you can sort of get some variety now like you know you can get a blue dream or a GMO or whatever their version of that is but yeah on the street I don't know I haven't bought reefer in a long long time but yeah I'm just seeing I guess the quality would be then a lot more people growing probably be better do you know anything about like I know that in New Zealand it's become popular feel to just like get weed locally on Instagram and stuff like have you seen any of that and like what do people grow like what are people selling for a while there was a few groups in Australia that were doing that when the first like carts like the hot dog water carts and shit were coming out and people were fucking getting weed and trimming the hell out of it and calling it Callie and stuff like that selling it for a thousand bucks an ounce there was a lot of that kind of shit going on Callie tins just all that wanky shit man but since medical a lot of that's gone out the window because like the price of medical is cheaper than a lot of that was so it's usurped to that but yeah there was a lot through Instagram for the last time I was buying cannabis it would have been through Instagram for sure Matt I put a link into the chat I don't know if you want to like see if you can share the picture because I don't know I want to see I want to see Goldcutts reaction to this well funny thing is Goldcut might know because when I was in Vienna man the thing that fucked me up was I went to like Planet Ham for whatever one of these head shops and people buying seeds and I'd be like okay so there's seeds for sale whatever you'll be able to find some good shit on the street end up buying weed on the street one too dissimilar to this what the fuck is this it's so small I can't see it you can't see it no it's so small it's just a bag with what's in there it looks so weird it is weird it's a bunch of hair it's like it's mostly covered with stick it's like a 70s porno bro it's not gonna stay like a 70s porno just all bush no resin it looks like CBD flowers from the shops here oh fuck really even our CBD flowers someone like this but some of the some of the stuff in these mylar's does look similar to this shit that I've been seeing lately no lie and a lot of it I've noticed that looks really bad and the one that's colored is from going through something they're doing to try to get through our medical system which is washing it with hydrogen peroxide yeah dirty ass secret but that's like I don't j-boys tech where they would fucking dip it so they can pass all the tests to fucking jam and everything and it just needs hydrogen peroxide and yeah a lot of it ends up looking discolored oxidized obviously I'm putting it in hydrogen peroxide you're gonna oxidize it yeah yeah well so you guys do that over there yet? yeah I did do it with you too I'm sure yeah do they do that in Australia and New Zealand hydrogen peroxide dips are you guys familiar with that they irradiate it what the hell does that mean I don't know I think they put it through some sort of radiation it's relative to fucking fungus or whatever gamma ray gamma ray flare something like that wow what's the consequences of that dude fucking no turps man that's the biggest thing like cyanara turps that's the biggest thing I'll say but I mean like the consequences of smoking something that's been irradiated I'm gonna have some fucking supervillains that don't know what good weed is it would be in the next few years man radiation that I'm just gonna say it'd be the same kind of radiation that they exposed like certain food products too as well imported fruits and vegetables that makes sense yeah but we're not smoking those and that's the thing when you bring in but it's standardized it's standard yeah okay well I think everyone's had a good look at this excellent example of sour can you put it away but yeah if you're lucky I kind of like looking at it turns me on okay well same questions for gold cut in terms of the flower that you know you see on the street I guess both maybe when you're growing up and what do you see more recently on the street so in the past when I started consuming cannabis in general that there was a park dealers or you go to a cafe like I told you there were illegal hash bars where you go and wait for 5 hours or 3 hours or you go to a park and buy from a dealer and they sold you each you can buy grams of hash from I think it was from Morocco when you were lucky some of them had Afghani but most of it was from Morocco very cheap Moroccan hash then when home growing and import started it changed some of those bars then sold flowers imported flowers from I think some of them were Dutch and the rest was from Germany from illegal growth in Germany that also supplied Holland with flowers they just sold it to other markets and then when home home growing really started to take off and clones I think what people sold or had was what was available as a clone and those were all all Dutch genetics all of them like White Russian Euphoria Big Bud Super Skank I don't know a bunch of those sensey Dutch passion yeah those trains were around for very long time but it also at one point I think everything was played out and customers and the guys that smoked those products were not interested anymore it changed and also what some of the seed banks that you guys know from abroad from your country started to bring over to Europe and that changed what people started to accept as the new norm because it was produced as clone a lot of those seeds ended up in nurseries as mother plants and were sold as clones like I did it's interesting that you mentioned some of the influence from the US for a moment I just want to ask Bo's whether or not he you know was there any kind of like palpable influence coming from the US that you observed Bo's you got all that shit like the glow trays and the little cookies, mylar bags and stuff like it's barry truths about the Spanish scene as well and Matt said at the start of the episode everything's just an imprint in the US the pine is in cannabis it's truth in modern cannabis at least breeding so yeah man I see a lot of parallels you know like most of the stuff I see being grown these days is like cookies gelato, sherbet, mac, offsets all that kind of shit yeah yeah we're definitely getting to that and the next section was actually going to be on clones already but gold cut back to you for a moment, was there anything else about the flower that tends to be available there that you wanted to comment on or how it changed it changed a lot from the beginning of the influence of the Spanish market of Catalonia and bunch of regions in Spain that produce a lot of products for the European market and it changed to Amnesia everything turned into Amnesia and it was this the Amnesia Phantom everybody nobody knew where it's from because everybody had the same Amnesia and it was at a certain point so flooded that even average Joe Schmoe on the street bought Amnesia and the bag of the friend where I bought was Amnesia so various qualities and either imported or also grown here because the clone was also available here around so it changed to Amnesia and then people started to accept accept the fact that some of your American strains were pretty valuable on the market could sell for a very high price and that was the beginning of the end of wedding cake where huge facilities started to grow wedding cake because it was potent, the clone is really good and the market loved it totally destroyed the price of their own product with just flooding the market and something that no one would have grown let's say 15 years back never because of huge lengthy plant, ugly difficult it wouldn't have yielded enough there's a whole lot about it and now it turned into a cheap commodity the other problem but I think something like RS11 or lemon cherry gelato would be the next the other problem that came with wedding cake was the HLV Vyroid being passed around to your nurses via things like the wedding cake being spread rapidly like GG4 that were going the actual clone was making it to Europe because there was such a demand they'd finally get it there I mean the Vyroid was already here it was already here the Vyroid yeah you know something that is in a lot of ornamental plant facilities and gardens so why not with cannabis and it was always poorly treated with even bigger production companies here that didn't take care of it properly so it was just a matter of you know of time and years where everybody grew the fuck out of let's say train wreck and amnesia and especially the quad cut it was just a matter of time that all those moms were infected that happened that's a good segue into the clones side of things booze did we we talked about US influence obviously but do you perceive that Australia also was influenced by Europe did we see much of like amnesia haze down here or anything like that oh yeah yeah totally yeah but what I meant by that I wasn't discredited in Europe at all but you know originally that shit came from the states and then over to Europe when this worked that's what I was getting at with that but yeah we had a lot of that so a lot of the first growers I saw were like you know white widow super lemon haze that kind of stuff like greenhouse barnies I would say same here yeah same market for 30-40 years that's real still do kind realistically greenhouse is still the big seller you know what do you think greenhouse and barnies those are the big movers that nobody beats them nobody can beat them the amount of volume of sales they do by you know moving seeds for other vendors so much about marketing and white unreal and they're first names everybody here so they're the first people everybody tried so it just it's how it works they get everyone first and everyone bases their experience growing on what they got from them first which is even more terrifying to me hmm okay well booze in terms of in terms of clones right like what I don't actually know anything about clones here for example what people keep and pass around what do you know of like what's kept and passed around over there like now yeah um none of the shit that you'd want really like not not discrediting anything I mean none of the stuff like the old hazes or like the old sativas but like you know the old mullum and stuff like that I don't think it's a rounding clone form like those seeds but um yeah all the shit that wallies got so obviously at one stage they had like the C5 the East Coast sour diesel aside from that things that I've seen it's just seed pops man that's kind of what's cool like it's it's a double-edged sword it's tricky because I've spoken about baselines like when we're popping seeds you know it's not we have a clone to compare it to be like oh yeah that's as good as that etc hey yeah Eli so my one of my good buddies local bird seed he's um a real good guy from down under he's doing some breeding he's I'm actually smoking some of his stuff this morning I got some TV from Bodhi the Thai Vietnamese the destroyer um yeah but so Eli's got some great cuttings he's got a Harlem dreams Band-Aid Hayes uh it's a sour TK from Steel Violet from Pip some great cuttings to get around man but yeah aside from that there's Dan's the guy that's done some work with a Yeti OG which is like a lupus headband humble snow he's been working that I tried some of that recently it was really good but yeah there's nothing there's not like a market like American man there's not like you put your finger on it and be like oh there's the sour or the cam or something there's just seed pops for the most part but they get a more prevalent like I try to share clones whenever I can yeah and I was going to say as well that there isn't that same quality of globalness what I mean by that is that like they're obviously going to be like lots of different pockets of growers scattered around the country and they're probably not going to be like clone hubs or like hubs for mothers and stuff um I imagine in the same way as like US and probably Europe as well um yeah yeah yeah we're a lot more like Australia is pretty fucking big and it's not like America where the whole country is populated you know it's uh you'll have pockets here and pockets there like you'll have Brisbane and then the next like capital city would be Kansas just you know nine hours ten hours north more up Wally Duck's way um yeah so it's not it's not like you'll have like Sacramento and then Oakland and then fucking San Diego whatever you know what I mean it's just there's not that degree of sharing and localized clone trading and stuff like that yeah yeah and with the medical it's just all like it's all bullshit man it's all like fucking cookie's course or like you know red dankness cut it or just you know what I mean it'll be like a seed pop someone in Canada and they're like alright let's let's take that you know it's fucking bullshit orange aid or jet fuel gelato just boof on boof yeah because going back to Goldcut you know that is one difference Goldcut obviously himself has some experience like um facilitating like clones and and whatnot um so Goldcut in terms of the clone scene where you are how have you observed that to change because you've been obviously embedded in it and I know you may have mentioned some of it already but yeah yeah I'm producing clones since for various companies since 2005 2004 somewhere there and what I've seen changing was from from that seed seed pops that most of those shops have and those seed pops were passed around without asking to every shop just stole the cuts from each other and everybody had the same shit so that was at one point ridiculous because everybody had the same shit and then uh yeah like I told you already changed because of the influence of American seeds and I think the first ones were was a lot of was a lot of DNA and a lot of TGA um that came um in regular seed form some guys selected or some guys in Europe selected and passed the cut and at one point bigger production facilities in Austria had those cuts and produced them you know so there was there was a was a lot of TGA around and that changed I think what people expected from a clone you know and um but it still split it up in so many directions the motivation behind why you grow and why you cultivate at home or for what reason if you smoke you don't smoke you cultivate for someone you can't cultivate because of financial you know interest uh yeah and no I was not surprised because I've seen a lot of different aspects very early when I traveled to the United States and I think I could uh you know I had the most of most of the friends that I visited had a let's say a hippie background or or parents from you know from the hippie generation and they had their smoke or their habits or you know what they had around their head and what they cultivated so my first impression was more in this direction that I was very well aware that the quality was amazing everywhere I went everybody had amazing smoke compared to coming back home I was embarrassed well so so much to that sorry so I noticed when I started like early on working with my friend Ed Borg in labs who was in Amsterdam I noticed early on like some of the things that we were doing in the U.S. that was marrying what this big corporation called Bedroekon in Amsterdam was doing at the time so I saw us taking some of their plays but making it more corporate driven as opposed to more like small criminal organization driven if that makes sense um I saw it I saw it being more based for like uh rich corporation people and all the laws kind of twisting slowly towards that which is very American after that I've kind of always expected it to be you know one overreaching corporation that it ends up being everything funneled from one big place into one main you know how everything kind of does everything kind of turns into a monopoly first when it becomes a commodity I kind of see that happening everywhere and people having to fight back over time because it's not immediately it's going to be over time you're going to slowly lose more rights we're seeing that so yeah it doesn't necessarily surprise me what's going on over there and I think it's only going to continue to drizzle on to other countries that are feeding off of the USA's teat yeah um I had quite a weird idea I don't think we'll have time to do it but maybe we could do it another time which was for us to pull up Burner's last YouTube video in Thailand and for us to kind of like comment on some of the things that he quote-unquote sees there but I think we can save that for another we might have to save it for another it would be fun though yeah right he only goes global because I will say that this episode that I'm about to refer to hasn't actually gone live yet it's going live later today but in the previous episode essentially Matt and I talk about um the state of information right in cannabis and how how kind of messed up it is and this had to do with like seeds and flour um but you know we talked about flour we talked about clones so I think now we just open it all the way up we can talk about seeds as well on the seed market but I want to know first of all from each of you what was it like when you were first trying to navigate through the bullshit that it is like cannabis information online um maybe in terms of like obtaining your first seeds or clones or whatever like how what was that journey like and how long did it take for you to find information that you thought was like actually reliable um maybe we start with booze yeah um I actually kind of remember too much man like I think it was sort of as I started popping seeds I started to look into like online shit like I was too young I'm only 27 so I was too young for overgrow and the tail end of ICMAG and stuff like that so it was really just yeah bread it like hit on reddit search and shit up youtube videos um pretty early on I got Jorge Sabanto says book which is I had a little bit of grow information in it like not a lot of you know not a lot of good shit but I had some some good tidbits a lot of cool pictures of weed cool pics like Charlie Garcia stuff and so cool stuff and yeah some shit from Camero but um yeah I poor man not too much hey like now I'm more into obviously the discord that was the biggest step for me getting into the breeder syndicate discord for sure that was where I sort of started to you know expand on my genetic and grow knowledge exponentially take note this man's 27 and did his research and fucking got to the bottom of some shit so anybody can do it at any age it's not an age thing you know how I think I got very lucky forums none of that shit well meeting you guys I got very lucky I think um and in the Australian scene I met a couple of people early that got me into it I had a mentor so to speak like my friend's dad who taught me a lot about growing um who've been growing for years is a cool great guy importer for things like that helps so much helps so much to have that you know that little bit of like hands-on mentorship from somebody's older teach you like the right ways to not just to grow but how to interact with other growers that's super important super yeah and it was I think it could have gone a lot different had I spent a lot of time online because the first like tidbits I got from online were like a Humboldt seed curve and like that and stuff like that you know like yeah um meeting my buddy's dad early on was great because he was you know the shit we were growing was all the old stuff from his old day so it was all his like leftover seed so inbred a lot by this stage so it wasn't anything super fantastic but you know the remnants of Thai and stuff like that that he didn't getting back in the day or he didn't import an Indonesian weed and stuff like that so yeah man it was cool learning from him and then yeah pretty soon to get this cool and off she went uh you just dropped a tidbit that I want to return to later which is where some of the genetics in Australia actually have come from because I had similar questions about New Zealand but yeah before that gold cut how about you tell us about your initial journeys into the cannabis information space you know what was that experience like how long did take you to find information that was useful reliable pretty pretty quick I found out about ICMAC and first I was only I was only trying to find things that are interesting and made sense for me for cultivation reasons without having a account but a lot of the threads were private you could only go in with having an account and adding something to the whole thing and so I made an account and tried to share what I did as a but it was so slow I felt like it was so slow for me the information wasn't some of the people were not I don't know I didn't feel really good about it and we had a local forum but there was also I always had a gardenings I mean professional gardenings take on what I do so it was hard for me to find someone who kind of shared this experience with a bigger facility there was no one out there but after a certain time I found a couple guys and I think one of the first guys was actually also sub cool with some of the bigger things that he had and I also really enjoyed Dr. Scandrelson very early one of the guys from youtube also and he was a good friend of mine he was a good friend of mine MediCropper was also one of them which I always enjoyed because bigger facilities and kind of a different type of take on it and through that I think I kind of started to to hack my way through budget information which was still out there still in a lot of pro science you know what I mean which was contradicting to what I learned as a gardener and was going to wait a minute what should I do with this info and a lot of the products from the United States were not here available here so you have to find other stuff but I think ICMAC was the beginning and the British Syndicate discord is at the very end right now or not the end but it is now it is now yeah thank you that was that was cool so Buu is already kind of gestured towards this but I was going to come back and ask now we're into seeds in terms you know in all aspects like what are people what seeds do you guys see people buying what do you see people growing are there people making seeds locally or actually breeding locally that you found interesting I know okay back to Buu's I think I know Buu's has quite a bit to say about this he also has his own little seed bank in Australia so Buu's yeah again and feel free to repeat yourself as well I know we've talked we've touched on aspects of this already but yeah what's what a seed like aspect seeds like man yeah so yeah going back to how far do we want to go back are we just talking like right now or maybe like in the time that you have been involved cool yeah so when I first got into it as I said a lot of it was like the shit you'd see online it was like Humboldt C code like Choc Mint OG so before you go further why do you think companies like Humboldt seed co the first ones to be visible I actually was trying to figure this out as well I'm not sure they understood SEO early I'll say is probably I don't know money too before Google changed a lot of the algorithms yeah what's that Matt it was because it was because they were backed by Dynafem who was the biggest producer they were the same company and had same owners so that's why they are so distributed because the biggest seed company on earth is them wait oh two different ones HSE HSO yeah both of them are big HSE not so much it's a smoke and mirrors thing it's smaller HSO for sure is massive massive massive yeah but Matt no the weird thing we're seeing is that HSE is still big in seemingly both Australia and New Zealand I don't still don't fully understand why I think that's why Booze was saying it's partly SEO they probably have quite a bit of like social media stuff in general I don't know yeah Matt that one's always fucked with me because it's two organizations but I think it's the Humboldt one the one that's got that there was post pictures that Pennington one yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there's no way you can there's no way you can lose with that you know like Instagram they got some good marketing they got marketing down pat yeah there's a lot of that stuff I guess early on man because we're talking like 2015 here and also at that time there wasn't there was way less podcast and shows and shit I guess the infancy of the American legalization had a limited a lot of information getting out there so yeah but these days man it's a bit of everything so through Goat by Seeds we stock a bunch of good breeders so internationally I've got Matt I've got High and Lonesome we've got some goat farm gear coming in I stock white buffalo seeds as well for the sativa stuff and then locally I've got three guys on deck I've got Wally Dark obviously who's a phenomenal breeder, a really respected guy I don't think I've ever heard a bad word said about him I've got my buddy Southern Sun Seeds who was around on the Mr. Nice forum back in the day so I had him on my little podcast recently and he's got a bunch of cool stuff from back in the day he's got some Lemon Maza from Kanga he works with some cutting of Star Mobs which is a Malamo Haken NL5 Hayes Kanga I've just been across the start and then my buddy Eli Cash locally as well who's just I said popping a bunch of cool shitties latest project is using the TV from Bodys so he's got that Isaac Hayes from Yo Sammy across to the TV as well as the Harlem Dream from Pifcoast which is killer killer cutting I run that it's phenomenal beautiful uplifting daytime stuff and then a Band-Aid Hayes cutting as well from DuckD getting around man but that's some yeah that's sort of still in its infancy I only started that last year so the motive was to get better seed out there because a lot of the stuff that I'd seen had been either the imported shitt that people were getting themselves you know through like ILGM or Attitude or whatever which was like a lot of bunk or other local stuff that had been made available that I wasn't super jivey with that I thought you know we could do better so yeah man that was pretty much it just on that trend just looking for for cool stuff that I jive with and a lot of it I grow myself obviously too so yeah it's been it's been cool yeah I I can reiterate on some of that I think what I observe in New Zealand is similar like you have a whole bunch of people who are growing like the quote-unquote the big Seabank names like Greenhouse, Nirvana Sensi all that and then you have the newer hypey brands like whatever it is like Thugpug Exotic like all that stuff in-house there seem to be the kind of like main things that I see like on Reddit and all that but I'd actually be really curious whether there are people in New Zealand doing similar things to you and your mates over there where obviously you have access to quite a huge range of cool stuff that you guys are working with I'm sure they exist in New Zealand and I'm sure there are people going to be listening who are from New Zealand who can probably tell us this but yeah that's super cool and I think that's kind of one of the benefits in a way of having such a fragmented scene it actually does in a way mean that at least you're not beholden to these major trends that everyone has to revolve around yeah so really cool to hear about like yeah what you and some people around on yeah gold cut I think you may have talked to some of this in the last episode as well gold cut but yeah feel free to not yeah repeat yourself don't worry about that so the question was seeds seed making, breeding locally anything interesting going on what have you observed over time it constantly changes because of the availability of everything but what I see right now is that there's a certain amount of people that is buying like you said a certain 20 big big-ass Myla brands from abroad and they pop them and with the hope that they find something special out there that's that's one part of the guys who buy seeds and pop those seeds then there is of course Spanish seed production buyer with the classic brands that we all know they also I think are a big part of it because they're so widely available and are also affordable they're cheap they can buy a bunch of seeds for for verity so I think yeah those are the groups that I see are for my part of Matthew's work the blue bonnet line and the amazing hybrid so people start to understand hey okay there is someone here that offers them and they try those out but for most hard people the the biggest group is interested in feminized seeds which I don't understand but they still expect okay wow 10 seeds and they are not feminized where should I do the selection how should I have them and also I think but it's also a group so it splits up in those yeah those groups that have different expectation from buying a pack of seeds or popping seeds in general because we have so much clones available here and a lot of the newest hyper strains from abroad with people who import them here and have libraries here somewhere in central Europe and they sell to those nurseries you know in Austria also so you have a lot of those and genitals available why should you pop seeds for every show is here by 20 genitals and I don't have to pop seeds that's exactly what killed the US seed market and that's also why HLV took hold you know what I mean because it was a bunch of people who didn't want to pop seeds because it seemed too much trouble what if one herms on me etc and don't want to mess with males for sure because they can't even identify a male most of them you know so yeah it's same kind of shit here people wanted clones if the clones here why are we going to buy seeds and they all had clones they all passed them dirty and you know the number of grown plants here also started to change with the years people started with 20 plants and now they go 200 so you want to pop 200 seeds every time probably not the best idea no yeah I'm trying to get 200 variants yeah I know okay well I have a specific question for booze here because I have the same question about New Zealand which is where some of the older seed stock has come from I think between the US and Europe it's probably fairly well documented or discussed but I feel like for Australia and New Zealand I imagine a lot of early seed stock may have come from Southeast Asia and I'm wondering booze if you know much about that um a little bit man like my mate that I was talking about before he spoke a little bit on that so he was in the 80s importing some Thai, some Indonesian stuff like that so that was I guess the two sort of most common varietals you'd find here Indian, Indonesian Thai that kind of stuff and that like Laotian, Cambodian all that sort of stuff, that general area but speaking to guys like Wally and talking to Sunny who was mates with Kanga he got to hear a little bit about what they had around back then so Kanga was like a world traveler he brought back stuff from California he had some Indian stuff some Thai, Malam obviously a whole bunch of different stuff Wally had his Laotian he had some stuff from Papua New Guinea which could incorporate into that Z99 that he's got as well so that was I guess a lot of the varietals that would have been found around here not a lot of South American stuff I've never heard of any like Panama or Colombian anything like that being grown but I think there was hearsay that there may have been Colombian in Malam because Neville found it similar to getting seeds and bringing them back even and growing them here and I heard when a lot of the cannabis production shifted from Griffith down in New South Wales to up in Mariba which is far closer to the equator it's one of the most conducive places on earth to grow cannabis just because of the Tableland water and climate days of sunshine stuff like that so up in Mariba I know they were growing lots of Indian back in the day because when they had a massive bust up there they had a lot of Indian seeds so that would have been I guess a lot of the old clones came from like the Malambimbi Madness the old Mother Sativa that Kog has posted about and others yeah man that would be it for our old seed but not a lot of it is around still like while he lost a lot of his seed collection Kanga no longer around really Bucketbongs was a guy that was around on the forums back in the day yeah on the Mr. Meister he's got some Mocseed still from Kanga and some Malam across to Malawi as well a couple of other bits and pieces some cool shit so yeah man there's that around still but none of the old tie like I haven't seen anything like in Nimbin though you still get bush that probably descends from that but I wouldn't like I wouldn't rate it that highly anymore the guy's use of the word bush kills me bro yeah a bit of bush yeah man I was just gonna say that it's cool that it's not entirely derivative from what's going on in the US and Europe like Australia has its own like you know strange like integrations from elsewhere it really has its own culture there with the Nimbin stuff I mean you have your own like cannabis superstars there like Tony Mulloway and people like that like it's it's different than the US you have your own culture there pretty cool oh there's a fucking in Cannibal 3 I think whenever it was that Jason came to Australia it was I think Cannibal 2 maybe yeah one of those photos there was like Blackberry from Malawi yeah yeah apparently it was really good like it wasn't like Naboo's it was super potent because he had Naboo's in the same I wanted that so bad I've always wanted to get his Blackberry like in C form but I've never been able to get a hold of Tony Mulloway or anyone met him that has those seeds but that's one that I've wanted forever because that that book Tony I think I may have met him once because I used to go to Nimbin often when I was doing like some blogging and shit but also getting weed obviously but one time I was invited downstairs at the hemp embassy and there was a guy down there who had been making CBD seeds and he was mates with Tony and Tony might have been there as well but this was like years and years ago Tony is a legend man I haven't heard of him in a long time but he was like put through the ring and he was one of the early pioneers making oil for sick kids similar to smoking Moose from the forums back in the day he was great other legend yeah just both super altruistic is Moose no longer with us? no Moose passed away so Moose and Sunny Southern Sunseeds my buddy they were like best buds like live right next to each other Moose shared a lot of the gear he got with Sunny like the Kush Mullen tie and stuff like that so yeah but Moose passed away unfortunately yeah I always talk about I always got a shout out Moone unit because he was one of the dudes on Mr. Nice like we didn't really know each other too well early on but like we'd watch each other and he was so legit Ramath Kangan all those dudes and when someone was sandbagging me in the middle of the deal and like kind of smiling to my face and he knew about it he made sure that I didn't get screwed over just because he saw what was going on and so I always thought those guys that whole crew was always even Kenga Wally all of them have been so solid to me over the years you know like I have a lot of respect for the Australian growers they're solid people yeah Moone unit it's different than here I had never really heard of Moone unit except you mentioned him once years ago when I reached out to you and then Wally as well but you know everyone speaks of Wally with such a reverence for Wally was like that about Moone he's like man this guy he did what Neville never did three land races and made something equivalent to a Moone hybrid so yeah super cool man yeah I think he's still around I think Wally said they were talking but I'm not 100% on that man if you could get a hold of them if you could get a hold of Moone unit it'd be killer just because I have good memories of that dude like back then no one was sticking their neck out for me bro I was enemy number one like like you wouldn't even believe way worse than now said like the fact that one of the Aussie dudes was cool enough to do that and like because he was putting faith in me that I'm not going to be a scumbag and like Sam bag him right back for having my back a lot of people do that you know like get mad be like this person told me you talk crap you know like and I yeah they're just solid people and it's really back in that day it was so rare to find solid people to do anything for someone else just a bit of a cult following down here it's weird like even before all the British syndicate stuff I saw a lot of your gay being grown like that's so yeah like yandy and yeah yeah and then Kelly out on couple of the people yeah yeah and I put southern stars out there too and he was an early grower of my stuff yeah yeah I gave Wally a couple packs of yours recently man couple packs of the la bar or maybe the GMO cross as well yeah it's been getting around fucking happy Wally's being so great to me man happy to kick anything back to that guy he's a legend to me too again like I said all those dudes were just so genuinely different than a lot of the Americans that were on the forums and I felt like I had a much different kinship with them because they were so direct and just they didn't have time for bullshit it was just like nah mate get to the point you know they didn't fuck around and we just understood each other on that level and were able to communicate much better than I could with the other Americans more than like seed or anything from them the most valuable thing thousand fold not you thousand fold but a thousand fold is the time man what they've given me it's lovely just being able to sit there because yeah that's what I've always wanted man I love like you know people are a little bit older I just get along with them but I always have since I was a little kid and so talking to these kind of guys that have been around and hearing all their stories man it's invaluable you know I just thought about it most people won't know who we're talking about when we speak about Wally Duck he is the creator or I don't even want to say creator but he is the man who brought ducks foot that most people like call things ducks foot traits but he brought the actual plant ducks foot strain cultivar whatever you want to call it to the masses and worked with it and bred with it and it's how it got into other hands so he's like a serious serious like to me yeah me too man and then he's kept a lot of cool shit alive down under that you'd want to be kept alive you know like when he had the C5 so they got a bunch of stuff imported back in the day a couple of clones that made it across and he had the C5 and obviously he got Mango Hayes IBL early from Shanti so that was before Shanti can that project which was like 2010 or something yeah he got the yeah he got the IBL seeds from him and then started breeding them and I got a bunch of them to hire and loan some this year man and he's part of it yeah it's killer for me because it's like you know looking from across the paddock because I haven't been able to grow me at myself so yeah it's great he's got them out so it'd be cool to see what he finds in them and while he's sending me pictures he's got some fantastic ones Neville's Hayes Z99 Laos Mango fucking C5 all sorts of cool shit that no it's really cool and really cool to hear more about some of the connections as well historically between the countries people definitely probably wouldn't know that so I'm glad you guys are here I wanted to round out this section on seeds or like genetics in general was there anything that any of you wanted to comment on with regards to the genetics in your regions any questions for anyone else any of you I got a question for a go cut man when did they like legalize or start tolerating the sale of seed because I was there in 2015 and they had them like over the counter so how long have they been doing that for well I think seeds were sold or 99 98 that's where the yeah I think somewhere around there or even earlier in they bought seeds from Dutch companies I think mostly positronic and sensitive seeds repackaged them and sold them in the first grow shops and head shops but I think that's where they started to sell them to people who are all regular seeds that's crazy I would never have thought it was that long most people like fairly self-reliant like they're just growing their own one or two plants yeah a bunch of people go for themselves so for these growing and the other guys growing and they you know swap what they have and like you said it's like homestead cannabis homestead yeah a lot a lot in here especially with the tents I think as soon as the tent growing started to just took off everybody was capable of you know finding space in as well apartment to grow for their own and that's where it took off also with seeds do you do outdoor where you are like in Vienna or not? I'm gonna ask that too yeah what's the outdoor climate like the outdoor climate is like in Oregon very similar to Oregon wet yeah it's still wet in September end of September October it starts to get wet so not the best idea to grow long long flowering plants and there's barely any outdoor and in all those years maybe it wasn't my focus also but in all those years smoking and seeing all types of different flowers there was barely any Austrian or relevant Austrian outdoor there so okay this is in Switzerland there's quite a bit like my friends do you have outdoor culture you have a growing culture for outdoor for actually made it plants and for their region and they'd grow a lot of out of it we don't I mean I never had that especially in Vienna there's no space I guess it's a city there I mean there's really growing sure but it's not really nothing relevant I wish it would be different I wish I only had it in the last 5 years I only had twice really good some grown Austrian weed and it blew me up completely at my socks it was so good it was really good but very rare Boos how about what's been growing outside like for you outdoor is my preference man I love growing outdoor that's just the sun like I grow a lot of vegetables roses flowers and stuff like that as well so just being out in the sun having my hands in the dirt is my preference but obviously legalization and just being able to get a lot of work done efficiently I've switched to indoor just so I can go through cycles quicker have looks at larger populations but outdoor is where I started man it was the first 7 years of cultivating started in pots, moved to the ground man in ground gardening fucking hit and quit it nothing make a good compost water it like 4 times and it's about it grow trees killer I love it in terms of outdoor growing in Australia in general do you know much about the different challenges in different regions basically is everyone having as good a time as you nah nah I live in I look like the same before probably one of the more conducive places on earth to grow cannabis outdoors I'm not up where Wally is I'm not down where you are I'm higher up more towards the equator so I've got 14 hours maybe 13 and a half hours daylight and summer pretty like 12, 12 in winter so it's super conducive but down in Tasmania where guys like Steve Solomon you'll get maybe one crop a year you'd probably want to plant early maybe even do a depth but then up north all that cannabis years ago you'd get three crops a year out near the Northern Territory like that on the table super conducive to growing outdoors I'd say it was like these days fuck I don't know if people say a lot of it's done outdoors I'd more than assume most of the cannabis growing would probably be indoor because a lot of the bulk stuff as I was saying would always be indoor they're not growing the PGI outdoors they're pulling it at 7 weeks, 6 weeks indoors and the cannabis industry is growing indoors which is fucked in the head because we're like a solar panel of a fucking country so you're saying that there's nothing well for certain parts of the country there's nothing in terms of the environment anyway that's like would be a barrier to growing outdoors if humidity, you don't want to grow like where I am, you want to grow something otherwise I prefer it to TV shit so I've always grown longer flowering stuff but yeah like down south so where a lot of it's grown, like Nimbun is super wet Nimbun is a lot more rain days than where I am so that's strange but it's just where people congregated man, like around like Byron Bay Northern Rivers, Nimbun is where a lot of the hippie communes were and then up north there was like Cedar Bay and Rainbow, something like hippie commune so where a lot of the hippies congregated was where a lot of the cannabis was growing so yeah down south you got the cold fucking bugs, mites, you know that kind of stuff bush turkeys, kangaroos you know when you're growing out in the battle of woods all sorts of pests and just the usual stuff man but yeah not a lot of there's not a lot of snow like down south a little snow but you can pretty much grow anywhere I've seen it everywhere that's right I thought we could move on to kind of like rounding this out but also just like some lighter and maybe more open questions and so I guess if we zoom out all the way I was curious on us reflecting on like the overall culture of cannabis where you are and just like I don't know do you know are there are there interesting things that you notice when you think about people smoking or growing where you are relative to other places like what's what's weird about it what's different from say the U.S. which we all you know we all know quite a lot about is there anything that you would want to see change as well very broad just like yeah super broad reflections on like yeah cannabis where you are to you anyone really go ahead Gold Coast, there a gold tech what I would love to change I would love to see changing in the future here in Austria would be the fact of mixing tobacco with cannabis something that I also did a lot of course because I was smoking tobacco but I quit almost 15 years ago but it was also part of my smoking routine and habits you know that's how we smoke in the past when there was only hashish how we used to smoke it or mix it into a spleen but that had it lasted so it's still around with most of the people I know who smoke joints like that I wish more awareness would happen people would start to stop smoking that much tobacco it's terrible everywhere I couldn't if I go out and I meet with a bunch of people maybe out of 20 people smoking there's me and one roster guy who's not smoking tobacco you know what I mean actually this is a good line of questioning yeah is there anything else about how people consume their cannabis that's weird or like that you think might be weird where you are I mean tobacco in Europe is obviously a big one I would say that it's still big in New Zealand probably still big in Australia as well are there any other nuances or oddities about how people ingest or consume cannabis where you are like okay example we had an episode on glass and American glass a few weeks ago and it became really clear to me that different countries are obviously in very different places when it comes to do with like smoking tech and smoking culture and all that so now I've become a bit more curious about what some of these differences may be I would say that people here aren't like into dabs at least not much like not many there are few but yeah Gold cut I mean back to you for that I think that we have an old tradition or long tradition of big glass bombs like the company Roar I'm sure you know so there is something that is a traditional smoking device here if you are the you call yourself a smoker here in Central Europe in the past you must have a giant fucking bomb giant bomb probably really ugly right yeah China glass or Roar if you had the money you would buy a Roar but if you don't have the money you buy China glass of course and there was no there was no had a glass for a long time that changed there's a bigger and bigger group who buy had a glass and also European glass blows so that changed I think what's a bit weird is if the people stop smoking or they have the intention to stop consuming tobacco with cannabis they immediately buy a pocket paper right there's something that everybody has at least two in that drawer that don't work anymore and they buy those the winchies and start some big and everybody has a pocket paper riser which is cool of course it's amazing and volcanoes of course volcanoes are something that I think the Central Europeans uses a lot and shillums which are disgusting if you know what I mean big Indian shillums oh yeah like the one hit or crack pipe looking things not big as shillums from India oh wow you fill me the tobacco and the shish mix and you smoke them that's something really nasty that Europeans especially Italians do a lot yummy yeah but what else I don't know yeah the charcoal filter that's something yeah yeah charcoal filters are everywhere they all have to have a big aspect with charcoal filters do you see is everyone still rolling like massive do people use the rolls like a little tear off paper still in Switzerland also that shit people be rolling like 20 centimeter 30 centimeter joints with the rolls like three cigarettes yeah like a Dutchman's spliff it's gross yeah I was I got into it it's a bummer but yeah that's how I got addicted to tobacco I guess just by smoking that way I have friends I have friends who never smoked cigarettes and when they started to smoke weed of course they mixed the tobacco and they started to be addicted to tobacco up with 35 35 years you know what I mean crazy yeah that was me I was dumb as fuck like never smoked cigarettes in my life but yeah when I was I didn't exchange in Switzerland so like yeah Braggans in Austria yeah so like yeah I lived there for like a year so I did like a school exchange and yeah I didn't smoke much before I went over there there's mostly just bombs like everyone over here just would get a plastic bottle jam a bit of hose into it a little like you know half inch socket and then yeah I saw some gross ones man like you know from older friends that would be you know 10 years old never changed and stuff like that it was fucked up money and shit coming from that but I got into the spliffs hard and I didn't even realize like Barry Truecannibals talked about this as well but yeah I was barely smoking like you know three or four times a month maybe before I started smoking spliffs and then it was just yeah every day you just get into it and it's like you get an itch in for it you know it's the hard habit to get away from people love the effect of a heady smoked bombs with the tobacco mix I don't want to hear people do that man I can't do that shit I was going to bring this up because unfortunately for a period of time I was doing what and I don't know what they call it where you guys are he's called them like chop chop um we call it chop or like chop? yeah like CHOP chop spin we call it here spin? it's called up but yeah we call it spun yeah geez and okay how about don't be a bogey I know I'm asking how about how about a lung booze you know what a lung is a lungy it's like when your friend passes out and you get a bag on a bone and you like pull it and then blow it in their face no it's there's some overlap so for us a lung is like you you get like one point five or whatever two liter like coke bottle right you cut the bottom off you take a plastic bag to the end you push the bag all the way in there's a cone piece on the top of the bottle and then you pull the bag through like out of the bottle and you have like four liter like hit right so it's like like a wish gravity bong I'm sorry I tried gravity bong oh yes this yellow this yellow is by the time you get that lid off the bottom it's old plastic it's old plastic everything's plastic plastic ain't never hurt no one like in New Zealand are people doing bucket bongs or not that's from my dad's time my dad was doing ripping bucket bongs in the fucking 80s and 70s and shit what's weird is we have this thing called lungers here and it's when you get a two liter bottle right and you cut a whole lot of one side but you leave about I'd say two inches of plastic and then you put your dick in it and have your friends suck it what the fuck yeah what are you talking about dude we call that shit a Tuesday over here I'm already getting in enough people telling me about my sexuality in my closet oh my god because the other piece of tech that's infamous of course is the hot knives and like somehow I mean the last few years realized that hot knives are just the precursors to vapes and I was just like what but that's kind of true I guess you are vaporizing the weed like at least partly I think vaporization techniques I don't know I mean it's like using heat to make the resin oil yeah yeah yeah kind of rosy what we often do in clubs or on the go was we take a needle and break off a piece of hashish put it on the needle and heat it up and smoke it like that from the way so it had to be a hashish that wasn't like super high quality to do that though right if you get too high quality it would just melt right off it was just Moroccan cheap Moroccan I was trying to use my hash kettle the other day because I wanted to do a review on it because it's a beautiful piece and it's like kind of new thing that this company sells and they said you need to use hashish and I didn't really understand what that meant at the time so I got this beautiful apple ball hash from my buddy it was beautiful and I put it in there and it went it was pure too nice it did not serve the purpose it needs more plant material not only resin it needs like legit like shitty hash yeah it was funny though because it was so pure I was like man it's pure no while we are on like techniques I want to ask both booze and gold cut how big are dabs and dab rigs where you are getting bigger I started I got into it early I was lucky enough I found a guy that was making him he had invested a shitload of money into like cross international gear so he was making proper purge oven like D waxed early on in 2017 so I was getting all sorts of dabs from him mucking around with diamonds and sauce and all sorts of bullshit and rosin and yeah carts were around for a while but on the medical scene you can get I think water hash dabs not super big unless you have to press yourself like on instagram I've seen some pens and stuff like that I've tried one or two really good quality but for the most part you're just making your own man most people will just get a press like a lot of the hydro stores here even sell them like fucking pretty upmarket ones so yeah I think people are just pressing it more of those than butane yeah I think with internet especially with internet plugs everything has changed so people can on the far countryside in Austria they can buy imported imported rosin, imported BHO so it changed but it took a very long time to make people understand that you cannot smoke this black tar that you extracted out of the plastic pipe it should probably not dab this stuff if it's crackling it took a very long time and from titanium to quartz it also took some time but it's still very small like Boo said the cartridges took off at a certain point and they are widely available but like I said Instagram and plugs online changed it completely so widely available if you if you're interested I'm just kind of like spitballing about here but one other thing that came to mind that isn't related to sorry isn't related to dabs or anything both Europe and Australia seem to have a healthy interest in haze is that am I right in saying that do you guys think yeah for sure what's wrong with America yeah you have so much the piff that you got Matt passed to you back in like whatever 2015 or 16 or whatever it was was that like like in a lean or what was that like or like the frankincense 2009 the frankincense metallic haze aside maybe it's better for them that was a good that was really good unpacking I think of you know the state of haze and some of the reasons why were there any other any other questions that you all had for anyone else the countries or regions anything else that you observed that you want to provoke or yeah ask anyone else yeah I would like to ask Matthew because he just talked about piff and and Frankie and how far away are they from the amnesia car cut and amnesia haze and all time of haze yeah I've been curious about that as far as amnesia haze the world the difference like as far as what I'm used to as amnesia haze you know the car cut we talked about yeah yeah like it's almost floral mercy and perfumes to me and it's just so different from that it's um you'd really have to go to a catholic church Catholic mass on Christmas smell on earth like it it would develop that sense memory and everything you smell from that point on you'd be able to identify piff like that because then I've had anything that wasn't you'd be able to go not it I've had amnesia I've had amnesia that was crazy frankincense smelling and tasting almost overpowered I never had any like that and also it's interesting the hypo amnesia that is available in the seed form has that I've never run this gift form I should get you a pack send it over I mean like if it has stuff like that in it I want to see it and run it because that's the stuff that I think that really holds a lot of special um highs when you get in that realm I think the main reason here is it's still so popular it's because of big yields it's just a huge fucking yield yeah make sense what we're going to see some bonnet amnesia crosses I'm just kidding I mean you know what if I could pick um if I could pick frankincense and mur like that combination out of that yeah any day and you know if like hit the frankincense zone you could probably get something very close to that smell anyways that's pretty cool so we've got a cutting down here that my buddy found it's from pith coast it's a cross of santa clue santa cruz blue dream cross to a pith s1 so I'm not sure so he found a lot of like basementy type stuff in that and he found some almost weird like caramel stuff even but one that he found that we've kept is like pretty bang on frankincense like you can pick up like the frankincense sticks put it next to it and move you know four or five of us now have been like yep made that like um comparison so it's awesome and great smell so the smell of um pith though it like that's the thing it's not just frankincense yeah yeah no I'm not mur is the most like you have to have mur with it and burn it and that's the smell like it's it's like it's not just together you burn it and you swing it and like that's what the smell that it's it's like a funeral we'd have it a funeral heavy right yeah super heavy super heavy you'll never forget it apartment yeah it gives me a damn headache like that smell yeah yeah pith stuff is somewhat interest I'm way more interested in like the a5 and the c5 and the dog shit and stuff like that that's like meaning a haze resolution in the states I didn't see anywhere near as many like dog shit or batsy crosses as I'm seeing these days like csi high and lonesome yourself Matt yeah we all that we know that shabud and um and csi you know like they really brought my attention to it like I was mostly interested in old Betsy because of bull rider and it's uh you know San Diego classic like when I was down there bull rider was it and and Betsy is supposedly the sister of bull rider and I could see that being very possible if it if bull rider is the way people say it was um so that always interested me because of that in general and dog shit I mean that's a classic right so I had to know what that was like but I don't know that any of those are very piffy to me but that's that's that's the other factor like I'm not mentioning is how everything is so subjective and how we smell stuff isn't necessarily the same and that's really really really like I forget daily how important that part is daily in the conversation yeah yeah I'm like it's almost like a renaissance of the blue dream billionaire right now too I think we've seen fucking like six or five years growing that cut again too yeah you know that cut that cut's been held back for a long time because so many people threw it away and only like I mean I knew like one two people who kept it all these years because like it was it was like kryptonite for everyone for a while because so many seed lines came out came and were released so many bad grows of that same cut growing it commercially and just shit blown it out so nobody really kept it and yeah it's it's funny to see it pop up in a bunch of places other than you know like small places in California but there is a chance other people did keep that cut because it was everywhere for a while and every collective and if you did it's pretty identifiable in how it breeds it's got this beautiful like dryer sheets thing to it that it passes on yeah one of my favorites one of my old favorites and it gets bagged on so much but I love it absolutely okay well we're coming to the end of the talk I think of it we're almost at the two hour mark and conscious that for gold cut it's getting pretty late maybe one of my one of my final questions is are there any types you know quite a quote broad stroking any types of genetics that you all would like to see more of in your region gold cut do you want to anything that you think okay people don't know about this broad family or type what would I like to see more here stuff that we will keep for many years relevant relevant selections or genetics that have added a balance that not overpowering and not follow necessarily follow the THC percentage types that Austria also tend to do I think that's or if this answers the question I'm sure yep yep I appreciate that I would love to see that just a lot more diversity man for the most part like I'm beginning to see a shift that I'm not a massive fan of a lot of people leaning into the hype that US hype market is feeding a lot of the minds over here as well so a lot of people jumping on that bandwagon so yeah man we got a climate that's conducive to grown equatorial shit that's what I want to see a lot more of the sativas that's what I've been conscious of with Goat by Seeds as well there's a shitload of sativa offerings we got like airflow like Nepalese and Jamaican and all this kind of stuff so there's hazes high and lonesome stuff we got the GMO bonnet there's a whole bunch of different long flowering stuff that I'd like to see grown up because we got the climate for it and it's a cool smoke and I think people haven't really had exposure to it that much I think a lot of people are geared to that indica like knocky down mindset but there's whole other fears to kind of just that man and yeah just just compassion just people taking the time thinking through things very nice anything else from any of you like any partying thoughts on your region or anything that you've heard from anyone else any questions for anyone else I'm pretty good brother because otherwise yeah we can wrap up and maybe before we do we just want to make sure that we plug yeah that was where I was going to go because I mean Boots like you just mentioned a bit about the seed bank and the show yeah yeah so I've got Goat by Seeds so that basically started sort of leads into everything that I've been talking about today I didn't have a lot of exposure to good genetics until I got into the online scene a bit more and through discord and then finding out you know Matt and Cry Baby getting their gear and growing it out I just wanted you know more people around me to have access to good gear so yeah I started Goat by Seeds and you know I only stop people that I really feel their gear you know it's on the level that I can vouch for and yeah so we got a bunch of cool breeders you know that I've been on this show and some other Aussie guys as well so yeah Goat by Seeds oh man I don't suck my dick but yeah you can find us on Instagram Goat by Seeds I think it's Goat underscore by underscore seeds but yeah just type in Goat yeah man check us out I'm happy to yeah just chat about anything you know obviously it's all souvenir collectibles you know don't germinate them or nothing just put them in the pool room for easy viewing but yeah Goat by Seeds man I'm just the biggest thing I want to say is yeah it's an avenue for gear that's really reasonable to be priced for the most part you know it's really gonna be good quality you know you're not gonna be like wasting your time or your money source from ethical people and so just you know this is one of the most available show oh the show oh all about trees podcast just a little thing just by starting the seed bank I started to chat with a bunch of people and yeah I wanted to put some of these long phone conversations into a podcast format other people could listen in as well so I've got two episodes so far all about trees we're just on SoundCloud or on Instagram you can find us and I've got an episode with my buddy Eli and another one Sunny from Southern Sun Seeds and Matt and I are gonna be doing one at one point I've got a couple more lined up I won't go into but yeah I got some cool stuff lined up yeah you should be really proud of it dude like you know I mean out of all the other podcasts that I've listened to you're like I was genuinely laughing and smiling and not only that like I was like god damn this dude knows his shit this dude knows his shit like it's really I'm impressed and like yeah I'm proud to have you talk about it on here because I think everybody listens to this should give that a shot and check it out because you're funny as fuck on there too thanks brother yeah man just yeah just stems from what everything basically I've learned from you guys so I mean I don't want it to be a regurgitation of your guys show that's my biggest thing where I'm just like oh god I don't want to fucking you know I mean you gotta remember realistically like a lot of what my I talk about even is like my conversations with all of my best friends right like so a lot of this information isn't even just mine it's just I'm just one of the loudest people in our group and like everybody's agreed that they're okay with me doing this you know so even what I'm doing is still a regurgitation of sorts and it's not necessarily my information to own or any of that and like a lot of what you guys talk about is totally different from what we talk about but it's just as relevant and special and from it from an amazing perspective from a good dude so and on top of that the seed bank part like all I've ever told anybody any seed bank whether it was you know BDSC when they started it or any of them was just carry people who are good good people and it'll go far you don't have to carry everyone just I promise you if you carry good people it'll be so much less headaches and it'll naturally form its own own base and and you guys are doing it and that's I think that's commendable it's hard it's not the easy route it's not the it's not a money maker buying any stretch necessary it's necessary it's helpful and that's that's the most important part is that it's helpful it doesn't it's not hurtful in my opinion it's not hurtful at all it's very helpful so I appreciate it I appreciate you just my way of giving back a little bit to the scene that's given me so much tell your man and Goldcut Goldcut also of course helps distribute Matt's work for Europe Goldcut thank you we are still still around and there's a bunch of people who decided to support us which I find amazing I would thank every every person out there may be listening to us right now who supported Matthew's introduction more or less because here in Austria they were not known and I think also for the German market and or a bunch of people in central Europe haven't heard about it I decided to do that and you know I think it was a great opportunity to showcase something that is really different to what is around we are working on getting some of the British indicate stuff over here because people I'm going to send over some of the stuff me and Caleb did with more lights people ask a lot people ask for a lot of stuff so you see there's a bunch of people in central Europe who listen to the British indicate podcast or go to the discord and so people want to support this because they gravitate towards people who think they are like minded and ethical background plays a big role that's why I do it that's why I do it that's why we talk I couldn't think of anyone else who could better represent everything that I believe in Europe that I trust has a good heart so that's why it's so important for him to be a part of this because it's a hard search when you find someone like that you hold them close I appreciate that that's awesome and it gives me a chance to also showcase through my work which continues because I found a new place to work we continue to be available also as a clone find something really cool that I like and I want to share I will involve this in my work wherever I work or let's put it like this wherever I think it's worth to share where the quality standards are meeting my expectations exactly and that's something I'm currently working on with a new partner a new big facility an amazing team very ambitious you will hear from that and I will share some of my work I hope I can involve also podcast work which a lot of people ask me hey don't you have you ever thought about sharing some of that stuff that you do in a new video format in the past and it was old school but I think in a new format the person who owns this place where I will start to work next month he wants to do it all he wants to do it right and then he wants also a media presence in the professional and I think I will do that that's freaking awesome other than that like I said Right SQL Europe is there and if you guys are interested in Matthew's work the blue bonnet everything is available still a bunch of them are almost sold out the blue bonnet PX1 is sold out I figured that's fast but everything else is still here and is kept well in my fridge if you're interested feel free to contact me and I hope in the future we can showcase more of the amazing work from the guys absolutely dude let's keep it happening keep it rolling alright well thank you both so much it was definitely quite the project to coordinate four time zones I'm so glad everyone showed up I was so paranoid that someone I would either have gotten the times wrong for someone or something would go wrong so I'm so glad I fall asleep yeah I was like messaging everyone like 12 hour intervals just checking it was, it was smart I'm glad you did but I had a really good time and it was really nice to hear from both of you I think that's it's special to get to talk to everyone we all live in such different places it is just cool to have a conversation like this and just try to get a general idea of what everyone is seeing where they are yeah for sure oh I need to give I need to give Goldcutt his black belt today I got to move him to the place so we'll talk about that in a minute when I end the recording black belt alright well hey you guys thank you so much for sharing your time with us of course for both me and 1000 and everyone here thank you go check out wrightseedco.com or wrightseed.com I get my own website wrong you can get my feminine spray bunch of seeds all kinds of different breeders there don't forget groupbyseeds.com sure in Australia don't forget wrightseedco Europe if 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