 Also the breakfast in plus TV Africa many thanks for being with us this morning. We have Chris one do who joins the conversation He's of the African leadership Development initiative if I'm not mistaken. He's the executive director Chris one. Do it's good to have you join us We have to find messy we have to find her We have to find that that's okay. Thank you. Well, maybe that's because you've not we've not washed this in this position And maybe if you do that she remember easily Chris let's get straight to it now We have the leadership newspaper with us and then I'll just go straight to The top stories on the front pages PDP crisis depends are you cause we case bluff and says he has four-year tenor? That's what you find this morning on the leadership underneath the ride It talks about denied submitting resignation letter to David Mac party leaders meet on article and we key Reconciliation Friday. I mean Friday is such a good day nationally economy goes weekly August 29 National economy goes weekly August 29. I'm sure you want to you know read all of that Darkness looms as electricity workers and back and strike tomorrow Okay, and you find another caption on the leadership It talks about Ruto wins Kenya's presidential election vows to work with all leaders Some persons have said that you know that election in Kenya was free and fair. It's really great But that's it and quickly you have another caption monkey pox my jury caught 16 new cases in 19 state Interest rate hike likely as Nigerian inflation heats 19.64% Should we be worried? There's another question and the NAS E and I deploys technologies to train 3700 youths and Martin farming such a welcome development Some people would say but that's the much we can take this morning on the leadership newspaper The next is the nation we have the big story there are you to wiki others? I have no plan to quit PDP chair now. I think that was just contain the festival We have put out today. Are you to wiki others? I have no plan to quit PDP chair Now wonder if we expected anything else other than that the rather to that I was elected for four years absence of a Tico's men Stahl's peace Pali more from the nation NCDC confirms 15 monkey pox cases Electricity workers set to battle TCN. That's a transmission company of Nigeria or shun Ozziek chairman alleges threat to life commercial activities pick up in Southeast police arrest a man over alleged kidnapped threat on or your vasti students Nineteen point six four percent inflation rate highest ever in seventeen years NBS Nigerian statistics Saying that rate jumps by one point eight two percent in one month World Bank XLCC chief worried indeed. It's a humor very large amount Nineteen point six seven a six four Amazing more from the nation federal government not sincere about ending as to strike says ASU Union meets Education Minister others today. I think you can remember the president Mandate of the Education Minister to lead the negotiations You'll be not for senatorial ticket to court adjourns Machinists suit against law and so that is still on And thanks to the nation for keeping us bringing us up to speed with what's been Going on there. We'll see how that buns up. Those are the headlines on the front page of the nation Away from the nation. We have the punch newspaper this morning. I'm really sure of the economy might just be dominating the papers Today and so nineteen point six percent inflation rate federal government once against acute hunger serial loan crisis Well inflation heat 17 year old time high Nigerians to pay more for consumables Nigerian going Zimbabwean way. Nobody's doing anything DG and ACC is quoted to say and politicians concerned about 2023 elections not dying economy This is what expat and the CSO's are saying. Well, is this really true and power intervention fund jumps to two point nine Trillionaire that feel subsidy hits one point five nine three trillionaire refinery rehabilitation gobs fifty-four billionaire and Lassa fever 65 killed awareness called It's on the high federal government asked to meet today and strike enters 183 days. I mean who would think that ask who would you know? be this very Consistent running mate we can accuses rivers elders of gang up and that's what you find and just before we move away From the punch another talks about a motorcycle Trains on door recruits and vows to tackle criminals again. Please kill five kid nappers abduct redeemer students Escapes I checked out again. Please kill five kid nappers abducted redeemer student escapes Man dies in motel after meeting online lover. That's what you find I mean that story has been dominating some of the pages and killings of innocent Nigerians of any fairy tales Buhari, this are the headlines you find this morning on the punch news people All right, let's move on to the next one, of course We are almost done ever mess is quite interesting the the slander papers are using or going this morning With the punch going business. We have daily trust also going business as well The big one on the front page of the daily trust energy food prices push inflation to 17 year high Energy food prices push inflation to 17 year high It's the big one from page of the daily trust more from that paper Why we pioneered non-interest banking Jai's bank chairman Kenyan Paul protests jibylation trail rooters victory my only agenda is to serve Nigerians I take over car. I'm sure we didn't expect him to say any other thing than that I'm talking about the can elections was interesting to see The colorful nature of some of the candidates, especially George wajakoya whom some people have called The Peter of the of Kenyan politics, but yesterday I asked a few persons whether they agreed because he had zero point four four percent Even it was popular on Twitter and people said no, they had two different candidates with two different backgrounds and dynamics. Well, let's bring in Chris Kennedy Wando at this point and we'll start with the daily trust that we have in front of us because it goes the same way Some other papers like the nation went we're looking at the NBS and inflation rates received even the punch also went that way What are your thoughts on this 17 year high? You know price of food as inflation has pushed it to 19 point six four percent quite worrying. You'd say Chris Kennedy Wando As I said It's not surprising I was expecting it to be higher than that because Anyone That lives in India or live in the country currently will know that the prices of goods and services up and hit the roof That's not only hit you. It has gone beyond the roof Because when he hits the roof, there's a possibility that he can use something to to bring it down But this one has gone up the roof and there is nothing anybody can do about it and it's due to several factors If you've been to the market and You have a wife or people like message Let's say I've stopped being complaining. Oh, maybe she doesn't go to Wow Go to the market, I mean I can't remember when last I bought a siding If you remember that very stable that we've eaten in second use corn university I just buy bread and just buy a gig in bread. I just quickly buy siding. If you know how much eating of siding goes No, you'll be shocked and that has that is the problem. We haven't and Relative to the income of Nigerians Nothing to have right home about Those the minimum wage is not being paid by several states You saw a survey that was published few days ago And how many states that are only salary some two some three some as much as six six months and they're about it was so shocking And so you can see that the situation of his aunt Apart from that with another problem we are having is the issue of insecurity The insecurity in the land is making it impossible for farmers to go to the farm I'm able to produce Food and that in itself is adding up to the pressure. And so we were talking about 70 yet Hi, it is not surprising to me. And if nothing is done, it could get worse But the issue now is that Nigeria's idea needs Nigerians are going to bed hungry gonna be this way used to have You say 101 or Zero zero one one now is even at times zero zero zero some people go to bed a whole day without having anything to eat and A hungry man is an angry man I hope that the federal government are reading the statistics and read something about it the Coming around to tell us that oh, it is a better Compared to what it was in 2015. We no longer hold What are speakers? Nigerians are really really suffering and that to me is a troublesome Development, but let's stay on this one. I mean the punch captions said, you know federal government once again Acute hunger a serial loan crisis I like us to see what's the correlation between the crisis and serial loan and you know the hunger that we're Experiencing or we will experience Do you think there's a connection? Well, it's not that there's a connection what is what what if if I read and write what they are saying is that you know There's a riot going on so I look currently because of food crisis So what the warning coming here is that if we don't do something about it that the situation We are Nigerians may just try to take to the street Could be messy there are instances where people have rioted over just bread the price of bread and that in itself I brought down a government is that bad and if you look at it now Just as I said I messy goes to supermarket a an average look for bread You mean look for bread goes to about 1,000 naira now a giga bread. You cannot get an a giga bread for less than 150 say the smallest one 200 300 that is how how expensive this table those table food is now so In in serial load there was serious protest and rioting For some days and so many people were killed in the streets of Frita and so many other cities and it took the collective effort of the security agencies to bring able to bring this Down, but that is just like sitting on Powder Because if people are not getting What they can eat then what is the life all about and then I don't think we should need to get to that point Where would be going on the street protesting that we only best add fuel to the already in security Situation we find ourselves in Nigeria and that is not good enough Let's go over to the punch newspaper. We stay with the punch in super We can see on the front page there the top right corner or top left corner, whichever way look at it FG ASU meet today to strike a strike enters 130 days another paper says the ASU Meeting with the minister of education and sheffield we read details of the the punch story We'll see that that is the case with President We're having mandated the minister of education to lead the negotiations them with this development Do you expect anything that's significantly different to come out of ASU's meeting with the minister? I Want to be optimistic that something Good, I'm free to come out of it, but the other side of me I know that it's It's it's near a near impossible for anything which come out and if you let if you like yesterday the minister of labor states Was blaming the PDP For the current ASU strike. Yes. First of all, it was on the TV station and run by a Newspaper and I was saying that to blame the PDP because the PDP that caused this strike They are the one that signed agreement And that is why we are with you have today It's the same person who came out and said parents should go and make a suit you assume that we cannot find my money to pay them and Those kind of language and those kind of statement does not help matters at all. If you are going to an accusation I expect you to be as humble as possible and bring all the cash to the table so that you decide and look at that Well, you come up with inflammatory Statements and you are also a part of the negotiation thing that becomes a problem Because if that statement is coming from any other minister Well, I can just overlook it but we're coming from a minister of state for labor Who's supposed to be part of the negotiating team then that means you have already taken a position and whatever you bring to the table People may not want to listen to you. So you should be able to I expect somebody like in the person of Mr. First of the year more to probably I would have said that it's just because I'm the spokesman of the AP's presidential candidate And that I'm also being the spokesman of the government when it comes to the ship like this Those that should be responsible to be allowed to talk and not about like that That's not the way I'm who it seems to be playing politics with him But as I said, let me try to be optimistic and believe that outcome of the meeting today will be acceptable But it's a long way to go and I don't know how we Get a bit at the point. I thought that something would be as soon we'll be able to come down and Come to a certain And I think and I should be able to call up the strike and let the student return back to that to school It's becoming so so traumatic a parent who have their children in this goes All right, Chris Let's also look at the leadership now and away from the punch It talks about the PDP crisis that has deepened and the PDP is an opposition One would expect that they probably would have had their acts together as an opposition even prior to an election year now Are you calls weakest bluff who says he has a four-year tenure apparently, you know, we could had said that For the peace to actually or peace talk to continue between a tickle and himself The chairman has to resign and he's saying that it's not going to you know Do that that doesn't look like he's going to resign anytime soon But what do you make of all of this crisis in the PDP and the current situation? With the chairman and we kick what we have Messages what we in law we call morality and law Morality is different from law. Law is different from property And we got me Are you is right? He has a four-year tenure as a Because he was elected at a convention and then we came in The national chairman of PDP The in terms of morality is it possible for us to have the national chairman from the north also a presidential candidate From the north if you understand what I mean, that is the that Over the years arrived from 1999 and all the political party this is a major political party CDP Especially one the national chairman comes from a particular presentation of the country the presidential candidate That's it but they find themselves in position. We have with the national chairman and also presidential candidate Of the party constantly and I don't promote me It's really good The mr. Senator are you? Step down and probably get to somebody from the southern part of the country to become the chairman of the Best what you ask yourself are they good to have a national convention between now And when the election starts in February, which is a bit too short And if you know what it took them to be able to have that convention or could it just Step down and you have an internet man from the south But the question you ask yourself legally will an internet man be able to leave a big political party like the PDP to a national election from 2023 that is the big question, but I hope they will be able to sort it out and I don't think I just as I said about issue of Pestos KM. I don't think that people within the dashy to be able to be make a statement that well Gov. I'm I'm a chartered arbitrator and I know that when we go we go to arbitration You don't hold any view you you try to let go so many of your rights Yeah, as it is maybe it goes an open hand So that at the end of it, you'll be able to table your issue And then to get it sort of it's going to be a given There's lots of arbitration is all about and I think that is what you could bet on it It's a point like to read the best you read here Gov. Nowiki Has been talking and talking and talking about it that I don't even know what is happening. I'm yesterday here he was He spoke at the very same money of former governor of River State Doctor Peter Dilly where he was blaming everybody that an editor in River State for the road they played probably Stopping him from switching the best presidential Tickets of the PDP They work in places that they came to his house and they go blah blah blah and the rest of them And that for me, I just think that Gov. Nowiki is speaking too much. He's speaking too much. I believe we should be able to let him You know how he said look up and ask make the man calm down making calm down because it's the same weekend I told us when he was campaigning that he was not interested I he will never go for the vice presidential As a vice president remember he said that vividly that he wouldn't go for vice president But why is he now fighting everybody that was not pick and dress but you have you have raised Chris? When do you have raised some consents that he's concerned about I mean talking about the fact that you can't have You know, there's no chance for the southern Candidate or candidacy. However, if you look at it You've mentioned that and that's the cost. It's fighting for don't you think it's a just cost the issue of rotation and equity and justice I know I said that I say this is morality and legal He was there but he talks in terms of morality. Yes, he's right and just like so many other Other people are saying within the party, but you can just also talk about the apc Is the apc not having the muslim muslim tickets people have been talking about that and they are seeking that ground So it's almost the same. It's almost the same thing these two parties Seems to be running against the tide and which is why so many people are saying that instead of this Two two two parties that are since not to Seem to be taking us for granted. Why don't you look for authority? Why don't you look for a top force where you can we can have opportunity of looking at other candidates? From rather than what we have in PDP we love for how many years about 15 years or 17 years or there are about MPC have you love about seven years and that's not things that are getting worse. Why don't you look for authority? I'm not mentioning anybody but your guess is as good as mine. Yeah, let us try as much Chris came out of because of because of time. Let's quickly move on to another one interesting one there with the PDP and You know what's happening with wiki and artiku, but The the nation has some I think this is good news for For Nigerians and then for those in the southeast and the headline on the front page of the nation newspaper One of the headlines there says like we said earlier commercial activities pick up In the southeast says Monday sit at home Wains But this is what the paper is saying in that story Monday business activities are gradually Picking up in many parts of the southeast as more residents came out yesterday People says they had been Fear of attacks despite the indigenous people of Biafra calling off it sit at home The exercise was introduced to protest the detention of IPO believe that we don't know what that happened So this is what they're saying That it's it's they went to abia state They looked at uma here the abia state capital and about the commercial capital You know smaller markets will open they went to anambra state Conventional activities they say are gradually returning and born in state and and so on and so forth. So This is good news, isn't it? And what are your thoughts on this? Yeah, it's good news and that's what we have been preaching for a long time that We need to open up those offers from the southeast Not happy with what is going on and economic activities in the southeast practically Coming to the heart and it's been it's getting hot on a daily basis And we mentioned uma here. I'm from limo state But my village is less than 10 minutes drive And In abia state so If things are picking up, you know my all well and good. Um, but I spoke with my uncle Yesterday and he told me that The sit at home is still being observed Within the village and the surrounding local government might sit but If the report is coming from The nation is attempting to provide then it's good and that is can also be related to wanting I may be wrong But you could see that also the agitation the ipop agitation seems to have come down a bit And the agitation within the start is has come down a bit and what I personally will attribute to that is that The situation of what we are seeing now politically Where it seems that the attention of The younger generation within the start seems to be shifting away from ipop to bimbi obedience You can see the mass support They are giving the candidate of the labor party To be if we go to the southeast and see the frenzy That means that they are already Q&A into the 2023 election and probably feel that this is their best chance to Have a shot at the presidents So that has shifted the attention of most of the young people within the start is just few days ago I think it was Saturday of pride. I can't remember P2B was in owere to open His office in owere and you could see the mammoth crowd Is not only in the south even in the south south you saw the crowd in calabar and some other places But in the defense what I'm saying I'm thinking and my own personal opinion and it's wrong is that People within the south it seems to seem it seems to believe that they have a little Sense of belonging now politically and unlike what it used to be and that Is shifting the attention for the agitation for ipop their friend rest of them to channel me their effort and making sure that probably This is the time for them to be able to hit the presidency come 2023 and That is I was About what was it about them about four five days it goes sometime One thousand friday I was at a forum addressed by the governor of Of an umbrella state chance to do here in Lagos and I had what he said the state is doing to be able to Nave the high level of insecurity in the state and you realize so many start exist You can see that attacks in ribbon an umbrella state which used to be A hotbed an umbrella and the most which would be hotbed of Attacks in the past few weeks has really come down and I hope that this will be sustained in the days to come Are you are you joining those who are saying that all? ipop supporters are Part of those who are you know being attacked obedience Because I can't really some some some some reaction Chris wonder are you sure you want to go there? No, no, no, I'm not saying they are I'm speaking as an Igbo man. I'm speaking as somebody from statics. I don't belong to ipop. I don't belong to any political party I've never registered for any political party Since the study in 1999 The best I've done is a time that the election I come down and cast my vote But I am telling you that the situation seems to be it has come down It's not agitation is not about ipop in the studies and that is the mistake some people are making Every single person in the studies. I would take that close to 90 90 percent of sad Believe on the need that there have been a lot of marginalization And that it is not giving the affection We don't have to be you have to don't have to be a member of ipop to know that as a Somebody who is highly educated to a largest end. I know that this agitation has been there for long And this possession that The Igbo's have been eliminated to a larger step in the in the scheme of things So it's possession is a possession that is spreading across Igbo land Start is so it's not whether I've been ipod or no ipod. No, no, no, he has nothing to do with that But I'm telling you that there's serious agitation and the earlier we believe that there is something That agitation and people are getting better for us. We have to be common The the the style might not differ. I am not for this kind of Going around attacks and being done by certain individuals. It has gone beyond ipop We certainly remember that of late some individuals have been arrested Who are taking advantage of the situation to cause havoc in the status and when they are profile the members of ipop They are just criminals. There's a difference between being a criminal criminality and agitation Those are two different things and the security agencies should be able to deal with criminals And those that are also agitating There should be a kind of political Will to be able to do with the situation. So it's sure that you can have a win-win situation Let's also I mean go back to the leadership newspaper this morning There's a hint that the nation's electricity supply crisis might just wasn't that's because you have Electricity workers that might just them back on strike tomorrow And for them it's because of the career path and you know the condition of services for them What do you make of the situation? I mean Wasn't even like it wasn't it wasn't even like you know the the past situation was Anything to write them about I mean you took it off my mouse. I was just about to ask you I mean so They don't take what you don't have now Because somebody take what you don't have He can't take what you don't have So when you see electricity workers are going to say they are going to say oh, well, I'm good But situation on the scene on a very Tunisian note I think um, whatever the agitation Is it should be looked into the far remains that where we are today's nowhere as we're supposed to be a country Of go back close to 200 million more than 200 million writing on just about 5,000 megawatt It's not it's right over South Africa with less about half our size is running about over 50,000 I was watching Engineer, uh, but you remember you remember him The former minister of power Speaking on the national tv station yesterday I was giving the problem that inherit in the power sector and the activity and some of the things they were putting in place to be able to make sure that On a yearly basis we're going to add about 10,000 megawatt into the effects. That is not that here No, they would don't need to we don't need to go back to each. Let us face the promised land He's doing some great work in your in your home state of abia. I mean with the power company over there Finally coming For me, I'm not from abia, but I know that Yes, I bet I know that in aba according to what that in that you also said yes, which you're right And he said the independent power Stations are working very well in aba and there seems to be a high level of stable Electricity in that why we are not replicating that across Nigeria is what I find difficult to believe but we cannot do that You know why Because even what we cannot transmit what we are generating there's a level I learned so much from what you were saying yesterday There's a level to which the we can transmit If let me give you just an example of what he said if we generate about 10 megawatts 3,000 megawatts And your capacity to transmit is just five You cannot transmit more than five that means you're wasting about 10,000 about 5,000 again That is the situation where so that the current grades that we have cannot be able to sustain that with each upgrade Are moved to higher graded as a name and whatever I said, but part of what a message said I hope that the legacy let us play with them big or no edge or I beg made a noble strike I hate to shock You know, I hate to shock both of you. I don't want them to go on strike because I mean having Close close to constant I've been having almost 24 parts Can you tell us the location we need to know in my part of Lagos? I won't tell you You want them to give so they put it off? But no, no, no Messi wants me to say so they'll hear it and they turn it off Where? Let me tell you Can we please add banana, banana No, no, no You know amen amen I receive it Chris came to wonder in my part of Lagos it's been almost 24 hour power supply We extend that I don't even think of charging my phone when I get home. I can just wake up and charge you anytime It is Unbelievable So I don't No, because if I say it in the air You know, no, no, no I mean your thoughts Fantastic points that you have raised and perspective boy I mean it's contrary to the popular opinion that we have especially from stakeholders Every other time including the experts. They say that the issue that we have is usually not generation I've had a lot of persons who say You know what we generate It's not no They're saying that because if we if we're saying that we have a capacity to generate about 12,000 plus Let's even say 13,000 megawatt But we're not even generating up to 13,000 megawatt We're between, you know, 3,000 4,000 sometimes maybe 5,000 right But the people are saying that it's not the issue of You know that what we have generated even the 4,000 that we're not even able to You know transmit it and so it's not necessarily the generation issue and that's really conflicting and very confusing Because even a 12,000 capacity will have over 2 million Nigerians Megawatt what we're talking about now. How can even 12,000 megawatts, you know Sustain an economy of over 200 million persons plus right then we're now saying that it's not the issue of you know Transmitting it or generation is transmission when we are not even generating enough to transmit So, I mean, what does that even leave us? The reason why we are having the national bridge collapsing Is because they are pushing too much into the national bridge transmission and that cannot take it. That's why it collapses according to I'm not a I'm a mass communicator. I'm not an electrical engineer. So I can only talk From the business of you know, but from what I'm listening to him But the fact is that we have to expand and he says something very key Let me just say it He says something very curious today that we make a very big mistake during the privatization process we had Where we privatize the electricity sector. Let me tell you what he said He said the fact it was that those that we saw the Disclosure and there goes or whatever to we didn't have the financial capacity to be able to handle issues within the The electricity sector that they that they were taking that they were going to get money They have money from abroad But what they did was to go to Nigerian banks to go to money to buy this So you still have money within the system circuit and that is why they've not enough to be able to upgrade some of this thing It's a very big But I'm not surprised because the minister of power was former minister The former Of um, you and I once said that now we wish they cost our electricity electricity problem And probably I may just probably be able to agree with him. It's just unfortunate Interesting situation that I remember the The minister in question who made that statement. I think he was the one either before or after bath and naji who was also Of power, you know We there are a lot of things we hear in in the country. This is let's let's go back to the punch newspaper Um, because you know talking about this this national grid collapse at some point the talk by some industry experts was that the the the reason why that was a so-called national grid collapse was because the it's been a sort of um We live in denial. Basically, they said that the The power supply in the country was being sustained by Generating sets that they were pumping diesel into generating sets which they were using to power The the country which was what someone said and because the price of diesel had gone high They couldn't Power these generating sets anymore and the companies involved were not being sincere to the federal government So this thing had just blown up in their face to expose them, you know And so talking about about that we look at the fuel situation in the country the punch is saying That fuel subsidy is hitting 1.59 trillion naira And refinery rehabilitation is dropping 54.66 billion naira. I don't know if it is These huge amounts of money make you shake anymore because we hear this almost almost every day But a bit of of what the punch is saying that chris candy wonder Saying latest data on the amount spent on subsidizing premium motor spirit publicly called petrol seen in a buja on monday Showed that the government subsidized the commodity with 1.59 3 trillion era between january and june 2022 was also gathered paper rights The nigeria national petroleum company limited pump 54.66 billion naira into refinery rehabilitation During the six month period. I know you are shaking your head some You know, so they're saying the figures obtained from the nmpcl. So that's what the company is now known as Presentation to the federation accounts allocation committee for july 2022 Showed that subsidies on petrol were implemented in june The company translated from being a public oil firm to a commercial entity last month so that that's What they're saying they also saying that it also made it clear in july that subsidy on petrol was now a burden of the federal government And not its own responsibility. So nmpcl is no longer taking that burden What the paper is saying is they're making it clear that they're pushing the thing back to the federal government What are your thoughts on this chris candy wonder? It's uh, it's a situation and you can also talk about this in light of the probe by the household reps on the nation's subsidy payment um The let's let's talk about the uh Toner and maintenance that is the one that is much more peculiar And i've been seen for years now. That's even seen in the past seven years If we do an inventory of how much has been pumped into the toner and maintenance of our refineries kofi message b shops You'll be shocked that what we have used in trying to turn around these refineries Would that help us in probably building one or two new refineries? And as i'm talking this morning and i stand to be corrected None of those refineries is turning out a single liter of petroleum Not the one in cardinal. Not the one in worry. Not the one in protocols. None We still import about a hundred percent of our petroleum from Um from different parts of the country and that is why we are paying a lot of subsidy For such money that have gone into other sectors And if the government have done what they ought to do by building up refineries They wouldn't have been where we are But it's so obvious that some people are benefiting from this route. And that is where I come to question the The agencies like efcc and icpc. I don't know what their job is They don't turn their eyes where they need to investigate All they are interested now is about yaw yaw boys and waiting and hitting people's houses and searching Students on the road and rest of them that is not their command I was expecting that would have looked at it look at it seven years In the past seven years, how much have we to be able to push into turn around maintenance of the And how have we effectively effectively utilized it the national assembly We always do their oversight functions over the executive on issue like this, but at the end of it Or whatever report they come out with you always know that the executive will not implement it They don't have the power of prosecution. All they do is Investigate and pass on to the executive to to handle the issue and he ends in somebody's cover Lock it up and they forget it. So I am not seeing anything useful coming out of whatever investigation The house of rep or Senate is going to do on issues like this But if I remember if I have my way personally and I've said that we say we are going we want to do it Let us remove subsidy Because there are some people that benefit is so much from it's just like what is happening in the finance sector Where we are talking about sitting with the Dollar the nara is sliding to the dollar and every day you come to realize that we have a power market And you have the official market the official market is about 400 We go to the parallel market is good about 700 Some people within this financial system the banks and cbn are making so much keep from it because Then break collect this money these dollars at a very cheap rate and now sell it to the bdc's and also sell to Um, what do you call it? What is uh, I'll call it My lamp or people that sell dollars to make so much profit. There's so much Corruption within the system And that is where we have always said it that the president promised all that is going to tackle the issue of corruption when it was coming 20 to 2015 but now these are getting worse So we will continue to throw this one onto you the right. I was just reading yesterday If you see how much the sardar arabia or your company made In terms of profits just last two months you'll be shocked And we started this race together with sardar arabia We started this race. We started a river. We discovered oil almost the same time Go and see what is happening. Dubai. Dubai doesn't have oil. Go and see what they are doing with tourism Now we have begging on that country. We are probably the only country in the world that a sport Uh, um crude oil in large quantity but by petroleum products Are you also seeing what is happening in bunkering? You seen the waste you see what the government is talking about that well, this is how many trillions and trillions Then you continue to ask yourself The same god that created this other country. This is the same god that creates us and there's a big question that needs to ask All right Well chris k. The wonder we have to go now and unfortunately we're out of time We appreciate uh mean your perspective this one. It's been very interesting conversation Which you are off the press Thank you very much. I'm messy. We must insist that coffee must cut our soup must cut our soup We will find a way to get get it from him All right, thank you so much. I mean chris k. The wonder is executive director of african governance and leadership Initiated thank you so much once again Coffee, when will you let us know? I'm not telling I'm not you know my my father blessed memory. Uh, mr. CJ battles used to say You know whenever we go to we have light that's going off and coming up You know you say there's someone in nepa and stuff You know took his child to work with the child so the lever and didn't know what it was It was present like this or when we have constant light you say oh, maybe someone went took his child Which I've mistakenly priced it. That's why we have light So I don't want them to remember that they forgot to turn my life Oh, then let's leave it as it is. We'll be right back to talk some more right here on the breakfast on plus tv africa We have a discussion on waste management in leger state coming up next after this break. Please stay with us