 HPC that just radio digest after dark welcome back unfiltered and uncensored talk from young alumni of historically black colleges and universities Thank you again for joining us on HPC digest calm and serious 142 XM radio the Howard University digital imprint tonight. We got line brother Katie Or is the Morganite and tiff about to get thrown off the show? We have a I am not getting thrown off the show. We have a lot of stuff to get to tonight for big topics That really have caught attention in the last few weeks so we will start today with one that I don't think is getting enough national attention and That is the situation with the Howard University Hospital. So going back a few weeks Actually a few months the DC City Council moved forward some legislation That would Create a new hospital in the city. It's a very long story But to make it short DC wants to create a new hospital Creating a new hospital would limit opportunities for the medical students at Howard University to have rotations and Practical experience and limit the service that would be coming out of Howard University Hospital Which over some years has had some challenges financially and service-wise because it's a hospital for the poor people don't pay to get treated there But today the city council Looks like they approved an amendment um that would Allow for the creation of a new hospital But would include Howard University and its medical school in the opportunities for the training of new doctors And practical experiences and collaborative development with the the hospital in the medical school This is a big deal because Howard University In washington and for the nation is one of the top producers of black medical doctors anywhere in the country. So What you allow for Howard to do in its own city Is actually of benefit for the city and beyond so Or as we will start with you you and I are dmv natives And you more so than me With life growing up in the city What what is your impression about how this road has kind of wound down to this with an amendment getting passed And I think it's going to go before the full Council I think later this month, but so far so good after a couple twists and turns with It not being clear on what's going to happen with the hospital in the medical school Um, I mean, I'm happy to hear about it. Obviously I have a really close affinity to the hospital My mother and her six siblings were born there because they couldn't be born anywhere else at the time in dc Um, my uncle did his residency There um as well So I have a big connection to the just just the hospital and the school the greater school at large So I think it's a good thing. I think it's unfortunate that um One of the councilman who represents Um, the kind of south eastern side of the city or the eastern side of the city Vincent gray is pushing kind of against these Howard amendments. Um, And obviously he's the former mayor who's you know mayoral 10 year ended in some scandal And the people who are pushing forward are obviously mcduffy and uh, try on white and try on represents each side of the city as does um mcduffy even though mcduffy has some parts of bloomingdale was kind of Mirror where where howard is so I think overall in general was a good push to kind of have Um, this amendment put on and there's other parts of the of the deal which you know will speed up the completion of it from 2023 to 2022 um There's some other things in there with the way that they'll work out the deal with the the unions and there's a bunch of the other stuff within the the bill but The part about howard. I think it's really important Um, and obviously the major people who live in ward 8 and ward 7 are black lower income people The income disparity between ward 8 and the rest of the city. I think it's like almost a hundred thousand dollars So when you look at it from that perspective, obviously you want to have People who look like you to help treat you and without having howard in that in this bill and it's a part of The training part of the the hospital. It won't be anything positive coming out of it And then finally I think that the city made a mistake in general kind of lived by vinson gray by awarding the contract initially to gw Right, they probably they probably should have found ways to create a space where howard had a piece of it Gw had a piece or whoever else wanted the piece of it could have a piece of it But I think that making the initial uh, he made the initial statement of like, you know, we put our rfp out We got the rfp to pick the best deal Obviously a school like gw is going to be able to produce a better deal Initially, they have more cash on hand. Their hospital is not run by the university They're not a training hospital in that same way howard is Obviously their deal will be better in terms of money But I think the council made a big mistake led by vinson gray by going that route initially And now they have to back it up Which is wasting time and wasting money when they could have had howard in the deal from the jump It's it's very surprising and i'm always shocked and I don't know why at this point when you see cities with predominant black citizenry and virtually all black city council Doing things or allowing things that go against the interests of The black people in the city katie, I would throw this to you because And actually all three of us could talk about this haven't gone to school or katie in your case haven't grown up in Baltimore City um It's not always a good look when you have rapid expansion of a hospital in the city like everybody thinks like Oh more jobs and there's more opportunities and there's going to be greater health care You know we got hopkins up here And the big debate up here now is like okay should hopkins have their own police department Um, you know should hopkins be able to buy up all this all this property up and down You know monument street and mulberry and all those other places um What what is your view of What those ramifications can mean for black people because obviously how it will have an opportunity to to participate in this But Howard is not the lead institution on it's going to be gw So you give the perspective of the noise that we hear in baltimore about hopkins basically Taking over a part of baltimore city and what that means for his black residents Yeah, see that's an interesting one right because like you said, it's a job creator in one sense And so you don't want to stifle any type of progress that could come because john's hopkins is the largest employer I believe in baltimore city. Maybe the second largest in the state of merlin next to the university of merlin and understanding that those two, um Hospitals are always competing with each other Like they you know they buy researchers from each other because you know the research stays with the doctor And so like knowing that you have that type of competition is actually good for the city It's just that um, sometimes the university itself Takes leaps that it doesn't necessarily need to take in order to protect its um brand if you will And so that with that led to in baltimore city is john's hopkins in particular trying to buy everything between Charles street and Its campus off eastern avenue. Um, and that includes a lot of poor people And so that's the area that they're now trying to police and I think we had a situation up in Wisconsin now, it was constant. I think it was on the east coast of massachusetts, right? We're like a Yale university cop just shot you know, um A resident or somebody from the neighborhood And so like I don't know if baltimore city can can deal with that again With a cop killing, you know, especially a john's hopkins cop killing a citizen Especially a poor black citizen like we already seen the results of that And it all comes back to that it all comes back to the conversation about gentrification, right? And so tiff, right having been recently out of howard and gentrification is a big topic among Students and young alumni who who stay proximate to dc Obviously, you know with not allowing howard the chance to expand its brand in this part of the city and particularly for those black residents From low-income homes and all that Do you think that this is something that will One contribute to the gentrification of the area and two do you think that the students will Be savvy enough to recognize that the the university or howard hospital and howard university I kind of at the mercy of the city at this point and do they think that howard is a bystander or An enabler of I guess the gentrification that's coming because of stuff like this Can they afford not to be Well, are they picking up the bag for all the poor people in the neighborhood as a stand? That's the question Definitely I would like to see some balance here like for for all how for all these howard students And young alum who are still in the area who are complaining that howard is um Enabling or a tool of the government in terms of gentrification The fact that howard Hospital services patients who can't go anywhere else who who don't have um enough insurance or insurance at all that's like You know balance. I don't know if y'all watch unbreakable kimmy schmidt, but like in the First or second season homegirl who's the the broke landlord was trying to fight Um gentrification in I forget what your brother in but she just would do random stuff like To disrupt the company's coming in. Yeah, right to to um to balance out and to scare newcomers or new neighbors um and honestly, I think that Uh reinforcing what howard hospital Um is in the community for is a good way to to fight gentrification um, I certainly don't want for howard to ever take the position where They don't provide service Period like I don't want that to ever be a thing because if the people over there can't get help or Elsewhere in an expansion can't get help. That's a problem like we will suffer But you you know what the biggest thing is to me when you look at the public commentary on this It's mostly the black residents now or as I know you have a different opinion on this It's mostly black folks that are saying get out, you know, though howard hospital in the trash like it's It's like terrible service But it's always without the context of do you know who we serve and what we're doing here It's like the people who don't know It's like somebody who doesn't know Who doesn't know that they're black And so they ignore that they're black and they're like, yeah do x y's and it's like no You you and the same boat too. You you can't just say do x y's e like you say You say north west is in the sunken place. That's what you're saying Let's see Let's see the thing about this is and this is like what again If you had to be kind of from dc to be able to have an opinion about this like My physician my entire life is at washington hospital center If anyone says washington hospital center is a better hospital than howard university they haven't been like it's I mean We look at the hot watch the hot w w h c and h u h Both serve very similar Um constituents the majority are black if you want a black doctor in dc in most cases you got to go to washington hospital center You got to go to howard so Knowing those things You make some type of concessions are the the ladies who take your blood they watch hospital center a little different than they are at Georgetown they are but or dw but I think that the conversations around service and care again a very very Pointing it and they should be taken seriously I think part of the issue is that when you look at the a number of People who come into howard university hospital with no insurance who are under insured Who don't have any funds to cover their To cover, you know, a lot of their issues and over you the year if you mind There was it's been documented that the city was sending people who were gunshot victims who were stabbing victims who were victims of Of different types of crimes who were black from different parts of the city were sending them to howard They were driving past other hospitals to send them to howard So when you look at the history of the city of what the hospitals had to deal with and look at in full context Then you can have more of an opinion But an individual experience taken to the count and even dr. Frederick siphon said this That the hospital has been put under extreme amounts of stress by the city and now is being told Catch up right when in actuality there's been far more Going on than just what can be seen in individual experiences Which is why i get so offended by it because it's like people who don't realize that pg hospital is not that great How's our model is not that great? I mean honestly hospital wasn't that great for years now again. It's a much better hospital now but I mean even the reason my mother was born in howard Is because it weren't allowed to go to hospitals anywhere else hospitals in maryland didn't take them hospitals in virginia didn't take them so The legacy is so important I think it's what these are supposed to be missed in the conversation is that people looking very much in 2019 and not at 1919 when the hospital was serving everybody when it was still freedman. So So many different things I'm just i'm just surprised that people don't put the dots together about why do you need Howard hospital to be where it is proximate to the university training black doctors training black nurses And serving the poor But at the same time you say we don't want no gentrification It's almost like you're you're making you're you're countering your own argument Because if the at the hospital is one of the main enterprises that keeps keeps dc black so to speak and you say Howard, you know h u h is trash, but keep dc black what like You don't I also think it's it's You know that one faculty where people say it And then people keep saying it and so not everybody saying it so you just you have to believe it because everybody's saying it I think it's this this is also that What that that has just become so much of ingrained in the culture that Howard hospital is not good enough that there's just a generation of people who just believe that Yeah, yes, because we got hospitals like that in Baltimore. Um, I want to say not bond secure people still down on bond secure But marlin general marlin general which is taken over by the university of marlin or back in the day, you know Don't forget about gunshot. Don't forget about good old good saying Yeah, I want to go things have changed Call it gunshot hospital like that's what it's known for So, I mean, I think I think it's all it's all very very it's all I gotta say this it's It doesn't say enough about the hospital because the hospital is also fully comprehensive So you have pharmacy students you have medical students you have dental students Like it's not it's one of the only hospitals in the city that offers full comprehensive care So if you come in and something's wrong with your teeth They'll be they have someone to send you regardless of what your insurance situation looks like So I think that people really have a jaded view of what Howard university hospital and what the Howard university medical network if you want to call it that really does for black residents but again We have an attitude of it's not good enough and what people really want they want all white services They want white hospitals. They want white doctors. They want white restaurants. They want all this white stuff and then all black residents That's not gonna happen That's not the way it works. They're not building new stuff for us That is such that is such the key point like you want the better amenities You want the higher quality stuff and that's fine. That's you should we deserve it But with that we have to have the higher income. We have to have the higher, you know Rate of you know entrepreneurs coming in you have to have the higher rate of of Different services and different people coming in to accommodate that stuff and if we're not doing it It's like, well, what what is it that you want from Howard to remain economically depressed to only paying this rent? It won't be long because if I'm gonna tell you if if Howard took the stuff over and did what it was supposed to do As most universities are supposed to do if Howard operated like Johns Hopkins Most of that community would have been wiped out And people don't realize they are still there and they're still enjoying a dc lifestyle because Howard has not done that Howard has been conscious about How do we maintain our tradition and maintain our community around here? So, you know, it's a lot of stuff to to unpack about this but um, it's not something that's going to um Go away because this is the second or third time this amendment has come around and it's past this time So we will see and you know in future editions of future meetings. What happens and we'll keep talking about it here Um, when we come back, we're gonna have a uh a brief discussion on the scandal going on at southern university I will try not to make the jaguars hate me this time. Dodges at the dock. We'll be right back Dodges at the dock and we're back. Um tiff madden morgan might get a medical school I don't need to talk about telling these people stuff like that. I'm competing with Howard. Um, Howard medical school Ain't no competition They got to get it first Right, they got to get it first. Um, right. So let's talk now about um, what's going on at southern university. So Uh, what was this last week? southern had news breaking about The possibility of a grade change in scandal at the institution involving Officials as high as the as the campus the bad news campus uh, chancellor, uh, james ammons Who oars is is nominated for a lifetime achievement award? And um several deans and department chairs and and it also involves The potential retaliatory firing of several faculty members and it also calls into question The institution's approach to faculty and staff grievances about firings and dismissals Which basically have been kept secret from the campus and in some cases kept secret from the folks who've been fired. So um You know, I've had I've had my, you know, my love hate moments with southern university But let me first say I love southern. It's the only historically black system we have Um, the only thing close to it is udc Um, where you have law school Community college agricultural center, um, you know a flagship campus. That's that there's nothing like it Anywhere nobody has anything like it and where it's at it's so important for that place to thrive And when I say all that it kills me that this school cannot cannot cannot stay out of scandal I mean, it's almost like there's a The the school can't operate unless it's in scandal now part of that is That's louisiana. If you know anything about louisiana, that is a that is a corrupt state They have very very little regulation. Um It's a classically, uh conservative controlled state So they don't believe in a lot of regulation. They don't believe in a lot of checks and balances They do believe in a lot of You know quid pro quo So that I don't I don't Intend or mean to to make this conversation like southern and black folks in that southern got a problem That's a louisiana problem with everybody But it is important to talk about it because southern Is the only one like it And the more you take these hits The more confidence that parents and students and alumni lose in the institution And maybe not alumni because southern jags don't they don't give up They just gonna say southern is is the greatest school of all time and I don't care what happens um You know, I don't care if by you billy was a chancellor. We still gonna be number one um But how do you guys look at this situation where it's like this isn't just you know a sex tape This isn't ban hazing. This isn't you know You know somebody was hiring their sister to do a job. This is great changing And that's that's a situation where if they find it your accreditation It could be out of the window because that calls into question everybody Everybody's grades And your integrity as an institution. So for you guys, what it what is your What are your thoughts on what's happening with southern? Who do you want to start because i'm uh, we know what you're gonna start I mean Probably documented. I said this when they hired this man two years ago Or three years ago. I said this you can probably find the tweets I said when they hired former North Carolina central chancellor former florida annm university president james ammons It was gonna be some issues And nobody wanted to leave me people got into the in the other hbcu chat i'm in A southern alumni literally was was gonna threaten me Because i said because i talked about i said, you know, ray belton Just decided he was gonna be corrupt when he hired james adam. They were they were like physically upset with me multiple And i said, okay, just watch just wait your man's not gonna let you down And he was the same and it's article right here. It says in addition I'm gonna read this verbatim in addition to the open meetings lawsuit The party suing the university are seeking copies of records that could expose the scheme deeply rooted all the way back to executive vice chancellor president james ammons I mean I don't understand what more i have to say at this point I said this and again, this may happen without ammons there, but because he's there improves my point That from central to fam to hear and it's sad because southern doesn't deserve this nor does fam deserve it nor does central I mean central has an amazing law school one of the best law the only hbcu law school to produce a governor of a state North Carolina central Fam you we know what one of the amazing most amazing legacies in all of hbcu and southern the only hbcu system And for some reason when he gets his hands on things So and again all my opinions are on my own Please don't sue me, but You know, I just I just quoted an article, you know By wafb staff. It's public. It's public figures. So you got a right to opinion I mean, what it would katie and and tiff. What do you guys think about it? Yeah, because I don't know what to say for real The the the thing that that bothers me is it's not just One person problem. This is an institutional problem. And so how far up or down are we going to um, you know punish people Assuming that this is true. I mean, how many times can we clean house at hbcu? It just happens too much Um, and this time it's you know, the institution's fault. So we can't even really blame Louisiana for something that the institution did. We're in like you said, it's Louisiana. This is the state that has drive through drive-thru alcohol spots You can get like Like, yeah, it's it's it's wild. I get you. I mean, we have that in houston too. So I can't I was going to say We definitely got drive-thru daiquiri shops. I ain't got a lot to you Fridge. I'll just got that md in shadow on sheriff road Okay, so maybe I'm Got hella drive-thru liquor stores too like Maybe I'm but Louisiana known for it. I will we will give you that one Yeah, and it's like, you know At some point all of the solutions has to stop that that's the only way I can throw it from it because when you talk about Gray changing who's gray's got changed? Why did they get changed who benefited from the change? You know that you take money for the gray changing. It's just it's so many questions See, that's the thing about it because this if they find some merit to this That Logistically not just not just financially or you know bad media logistically that is a nightmare because the requirement is then going to be Okay, we need to go back and audit Everybody from this class for example or everybody from this cohort because if you change six people's grades How do we know that you weren't on the take and change 20 other people's grades or you didn't change 20 people a year ago's grades so you have to And southern I believe they don't got the staff To go through and purge That way the reason you know it is because the last time southern had an issue with with academic transcripts or issues like that It was with an nc double a inquiry Where some student athletes were not it was not clear if they had been certified to compete Now luckily, you know, they had a great data awesome athletic director and shout out to william broussard um Who navigated that whole process of them? They got sanctioned but they were able to get off of it in part because they were able to go back and rectify student transcripts and records to go back and reconcile over a course of years. I think between 99 and 2009 and 2012 3034 years of records I mean and you're talking about hundreds of student athletes That they had to reconcile that for so that's just a couple of teams That they had to do that for imagine a whole institution Where where they're in question a department a division a college or is or you know a college or a division That they had to go back and do that for that's thousands of kids. That's thousands of students So you're not even talking about controversy. You're talking about a logistical Nightmare that you may have to bring an extra staff. You may have to bring an extra people to oversee that process. It's it's crazy They got to pay a contractor to audit the grades of an entire institution for probably a decade Oh, go ahead because I'm gonna say one more thing after you finish I think I might have the minority opinion here and This might sound a little crazy but honestly If this was Something that was student led and student facilitated We will probably probably would not be having this discussion right now. We would be talking about how southern needs to uh penalize students for doing this type of um of thing and honestly, that's the cleanest way to do it like It's nothing for students to I don't know the southern have an engineering program Anyways, if there was a student if there was a was a jag who was an engineering student or who had intimate knowledge and understanding of how um I guess jag web works and don't and don't disrespect southern engineer. They have a great engineering school So I wouldn't even have an engineering program. She's only she only knows howard. That's why that wouldn't be engineered It wouldn't be an engineer more like a computer programmer, but okay but Okay, so when we cut I'll say what I was going to say, but what I can't say on air. Thank you very much, katie as I was saying if there was somebody who who was experiencing computer engineering It Who decided hmm? I know how to do this I'm going to do it and put this on the black Jag interwebs for it to be done. That's different than an administrator facilitating the action But that is exactly what I was going to say. This is not the first time Southern has been implicated in a grade change scandal um 2004 I believe They had an issue where they got 500 500 some kids if I'm remembering correctly Uh had great had paid to have their grades changed to an assistant registrar and they found out that it dated all the way back to the 90s So you're talking you're talking you're talking about a school that has already been through this now Let me give you some perspective at the time That was one of the biggest scandals in all hbc history I mean when that happened that was like that was you know Not to trigger you or is this alert that was like robert champion level scandal That's how that's how significant Grade changing is because you can you can lose it all off that because that that's the core. That's what you do That's your product if we feel like you can come in and just buy a grade. You're done. You're out of business They survived that And now you're now you're circling back to this again, and it's to your point Or it's about dr. Ammons So this is his record at three stops He's had problems at at three stops when he was at central you you you put up a satellite campus illegally With eddy long in them in in lanta that was strike one and fam Yeah, it was issues with money. It was issues with not being responsive to hazing allegations That's striking and and and non students receiving money To travel me after university in the band right Which which on the low a whole bunch of schools do let's just be clear It's a whole bunch of former people that play in bands and sing with choirs That ain't in roll and they've been going out of school at least three or four years Yeah, shout out to morgan state choir. Um but But now here's strike three Now here's your oversight of not only uh, you know, were you aware of grade changing that's yet to be revealed But there are faculty members who are alleging not only did you know we told you and then you fired us for it We told you that we wouldn't participate in doing this and you fired us for it or you tried to punish us for it this at some point like It's no disrespect I mean because there's some good things that he's done at each of those places a lot of good things that he's done But at some point Does somebody say yo you you're you're canceled I get canceled like I don't I can't even put it. I wouldn't put it a southern thing anymore I was so surprised When they hired him like literally I remember sitting in my house I watched him speak in front of the board And they nominated him and he stood up and talked about his record And I was really sitting there like they really hired this man to be vice chancellor of the system Like keep people forget about his evergreen contractor fam which extended a year every day he went to work people forget about The issue with him keeping his tenure and his reside it was so many issues I was surprised one that people from southern didn't have much of a ruckus about him being hired and two that They were bold enough to even hire him like Like it's one thing if you had done it just as central but central and fam you had issues and now you're vice chancellor again Like he's number two in charge over A huge system and I think that's what really like is disconcerting about it all is that I understand that we take care of our own and we continue to hire the same people over and over again But at what point is enough enough because Let's say it comes out that he does know Let's say that he's totally innocent, which I don't believe but let's say he's totally innocent You know then that means Then that means that okay, he Deserves this chance and he can continue to move forward But if he's not if it comes out that he is liable He's culpable. I mean this this article here ruling to that the southern university grievance committee broke state law Like that's what it says here Like they handled the grade allegations incorrectly. They broke the state's law It's gonna fall under him as vice chancellor. He's over academic operations Like where do I don't understand why this little conversation about it. Well, I don't know it's a job And here's what here's what makes it even more problematic. I don't know if southern's one of these places But I will let you guys in on a secret It is not unusual For eight eight million other listeners. Wow. Well, no, I mean, it's not a secret. It's it's it's a secret it's one of those Hidden in plain sight secrets A lot of institutions and I don't think it's just hbc's but a lot of institutions what they will do is they will hire somebody That will be unbeknownst to most of us the president in waiting okay so If you remember and I don't think this is disrespectful to say it Wayne Frederick became the provost almost out of nowhere at Howard Now when I say out of nowhere now, he was a high ranking faculty member You know, he was somebody who was you know an academic leadership, particularly in the medical school medical school But then he all of a sudden he just became a provost Um, and there are a lot of there are a lot of places where you can kind of see Someone is hired and being groomed to someday become the president It appears it appears given his history and what was needed at the school that ammons was going to be When the current president system president ray belton leaves the next president of southern system If this is born out to be true and he has to exit or even if he doesn't This throws into question. Okay. Now. What does that transition look like? Because how many people are going to accept that a guy at the center of a scandal like this Could still be the the the the king in waiting You know, you talk about a leadership disruption disruption because some people are going to say on campus and beyond I'm going to say absolutely not he doesn't get the shot now. So who does And are they being groomed for just some food for thought they had to I mean people's radar I know Jared and I know you you and I talked about this maybe a year ago about How it seemed like ammons was was taking charge for a lot of things over at southern It looked like he was probably going to be taking that role But I mean it's unfortunate because let's not get things confused. He's he's had an amazing career on the good side like he's an extremely well First academic he's run very large schools He's been comprehensive. I mean he was He really led and helped lead the push to bring fam use You know law school back and get it to where the point is now like, I mean, he's done a lot of amazing things but Sometimes I just think he can't keep his hands clean and that's just that's unfortunate because it may not be It may not all be his fault. I mean if the hazing accident doesn't happen Um, he probably never leaves fam. Hell no, not with that evergreen contract. Absolutely. Exactly. Exactly. So and fam you probably has 25 000 students by now like Honestly, I mean my freshman class was a big day to be freshman class in history Like I don't I don't see that trend changing at all. He probably is bringing in 4 000 freshmen a year every year To the point where the school's a 25 000 capacity So I think that he does get a bad rap and and he was the president that that I was he was my president of fam you so I think that there's There there has there are some redeeming qualities of the man It's just sad that You know, it's going to affect southern in the same way it probably affected fam and hopefully you don't have accreditation issues Like if this is really a great change in what you said, you know, this could be another sack situation We're talking about in six months and who knows how that will go Jesus so because that that will be like the second round of probation for them if that's true and then at the same time, you know Just like at at texas at tsu in texas texas southern Are they going to be legislating trying to to protect the law school? Is it going to be trying to you know, there's so many different factors involved in this That are so much bigger than just someone individual conduct It just it's really disconcerting well, you know, I I don't know if you cancel them or not. I just know that this disrupts a whole bunch of stuff with leadership It it shatters again Confidence not among the jaguars because they don't care. They're going to say southern is great No matter what happens Um, and maybe it is and i'm just missing a lot of us are just missing it. Um, we're going to shift to some good news next Um, everybody's aware of the bethune cookman situation But I don't know if a lot of people realize bethune cookman is actually raising some money down there Um, and I don't know if they're on their way of coming out of it coming out of their situation But they certainly are working hard. We're going to get into that next on dodgers at the dark Dodgers at the dark and we're back, um tiff pulling emails Just notes all the listeners out there particularly in um, in the uncut chat. Don't text tiff watch what you say to me She keeping she keeping her text records I'm about to say tiff had screenshot written all over her forehead All right, she does be screen shot Circling jared a screenshot Circling stuff with the marker all that stuff. Um, let's talk about something good now So bethune cookman in a world of hurt over the last six months. Um, maybe even longer Longer, which means detailing back to Actually three years now exactly But in terms of their leadership Uh issue trying to find a new president Board in fighting all that They seem to be coming out of it now. So I don't um, if you go to hbc dodgers.com There's an interview up there with the uh, vice president of institutional advancement cliff reporter at bethune cookman And he talks about how the school is running three different fundraising campaigns To support the school. Um, one is for students and uh folks on campus Another one is for faculty and another one is specifically designed. Um To help the school pay bills Build up their cash assets so they can pass an accreditation review um, I just want to pause right here and say that this is what Bennett should have been doing they should have had three different campaigns going over the course of what those two or three years That they were on academic probation. That's a good now. That's a good point. Did they need to do that instead of just Get all together and The best that they could because my thinking when I heard the bethune cookman thing I was like, well, that's a that's a lot of messaging going out To basically one wildcat community But it seems to be working. It seems to be working because they're they're generating some good fundraising gains from this so they've had Faculty donate. I think last month more than 26 000. They had a married couple from somewhere a white couple From somewhere in florida drive up to the canvas and donate nine thousand dollars to the school Um, and I and and I will be honest. There's a wave I think because of Bennett because of trump because of a few other things There's a wave that is helping people to rediscover Why it's worthwhile to invest in hbc use? um But quietly but soon cookman is a big benefactor whatever that wave is So I would ask you guys that I would start with the hard question first There are a lot of people out there who would say yeah, that's nice, but doing cookman is raising money But they got a they got a problem that board is still the same Um, and that that dorm deal that they had is still 300 million dollars And they still got a bunch of lawsuits that they got to face off against are we throwing good money after bad? supporting with doing cookman I think it was it would only be throwing good money after bad if this wasn't a detailed giving campaign like Bennett was good money after bad. I mean again I said it in what the first one Or maybe I said that on the take hold them. You weren't saying that you weren't standing with Bennett No, no, no, I was but I also believe that I said either publicly or privately or or maybe in the chat that They had x amount of years To make a change to make this work They were on probation for however long And it's like they they dawdled until time actually ran out They raised all this money and still get their stuff snatched So like it would be different for for a cookman if That was the case, but they're they're doing they're being proactive. They're doing what Most would want them to do So it it would be different if they were taking the same route that Bennett That Bennett took but it's clear that that they're not like they learned from Bennett's mistake Which is what all of any of us can do in terms of experiencing life and going forward from Uh decisions that we have to make our mistakes that we've made or bad decisions that we've made Ain't that a word Katie um I have zero problem with people supporting the hbcu I just hope that leadership is done right by the people that's giving them this money Would you write a check with the cookman? I'm gonna To be to answer that question honestly, I would need to see some type of they would need at least Present me a plan to say all right. This is how we're going to move the next five years Because um, if you don't have that plan in place, then I'm holding my dollars. That's just me though I So what is a I guess what does a plan look like is it okay? Here's what we're going to use the money for Is it here's how we're going to change? um You know our academic profile because you know what's not going to change that board of trustees And that board of trustees is at the core of why they're in trouble right now So if they're not going to say to you, um You know We're not we're not changing any members You just got to trust that we're gonna we've learned and we're gonna do better One thing that white schools do Is somebody will come in to a bad situation and say I'm going to drop 20 million dollars and guess what I'm the captain now What black folks will say is I'm not giving you my 20 dollars anymore Until the whole board Resigns, I mean a prime example of this is university houston summer fratida is the chairman of the board right Right, you think you think it's because he understands how universities operate No, he's a billionaire they come in and say i'm the t-boom pickings at at oklahoma Exactly write a big enough check and they say i'm the captain now and in some cases they say i'm the president now so I think that I think that there's I mean, let's not forget what happened with a young town state And jim dresel. Yeah, jim dresel got a big payout too when he got fired. So, um, and now he's a president So, uh, without a doctor degree. So I think that there I'm just Did I lie? Is it true? So I think that there's I think that there's uh I'm as someone who is a somebody who cares about florida hbc use I think that you know bethune Needs to survive and if this doesn't help to survive then i'm all for it um, I think that there is Not has been much support for bethune because of some of their leadership challenges And i'll call them challenges Um, you know with how their messaging has been How they've approached things even before this is dorm deal from the Uh, the law school deal, which was just as bad um So I think that this can be something positive because it's clear that students and faculty are still trying to work for the mission of the university um But would I give them money at this point in my life? I wouldn't be in a position to give them anything But I do think that you know, it's important that the internal community of bethune continue to support the school And hopefully they can finally out all this and um, and they can they can strive, you know sooner than later What do you think the tipping point is katie? Let me throw this back to you because copping has seen some struggles over the years, but it actually has been coming up in the last couple years and knowing you You still support copping go to copping give the copping What is it that that solidified with you that I don't care what happens? I'm still going to support the school And what these could happen where you say i'm i'm going ready to shut off the resources at this point because y'all don't y'all have lost my confidence Well, if you would have told me that uh, I guess now When i'm 31 or so seven years ago that I would have graduated from college. I wouldn't believe you Copping changed my life. And so I feel like I owe copping something And so that keeps me engaged in the community as well as my um, the oath I took to alpha Right because I promise, you know, we all based on scholarship and community service First part for me is serving copping. But with that being said if I found again, it's a hot bar, right? But I would have to find out that like They were purposely putting presidents in place for the for the university to fail But again because it's a state school. I can't be mad as mad at copping as I can be at the What's the system the university in marlin school system? um Because that's where a lot a large part of our problems begin and end is with them Copping only is always at the mercy of merlin So it's a little different for us in that aspect um Morgan independent board right Absolutely, but again the first hbc when marlin should have independent board We were a teacher's college at first the university thing didn't come until about the 70s We were we still new to it. But we actually older than us and they in the state system. So they were you know But we the older they got them they they knew what to do with that But what I would say is so if copping if copping hired james ammonds, would you still give? Why am I being extra shady with kd? I don't know. I don't know what I did to him this week When I pay him for this this table, you're the closest to me. That's why so If they made well, let me say if they made a clearly bad decision Would you say would I stop giving right? I would I would I would I would not give to the alumni association because I feel like that's a little different mission than the university itself But um, I would definitely challenge publicly challenge that president every chance I got I would make it my mission to go to the town You're thorn in his side And so he quit right or he did right by the university or I promise you I would change my entire directive Just to be a thorn in his side because again bottom was a small community The son Wjz a pick up whatever store you write especially if this is a negative against a university within the city Um corridor You they would eat that a lot if I had like 10 good articles just for this one guy Why does he got so much smoke for him? I had smoke with wilson. He's still right. He he's getting more money. So I don't know I don't know. Yeah. Well, he got his leash a little longer because I got the engineering program You might be right. You might be right always ain't really coming after him hard It's just me I mean I still I still don't even understand why the engineering school didn't have to clearance when parent is an alumni of the school Like we picked the wrong Mitchell brother, but that's a whole other conversation parent Mitchell is a founding member of the correctional black caucus and an alumni of the school And we named the engineering school after his brother. It depends on what kind of relationship parent had with the school Uh, you know, just keep in mind. Um, pete rollins name is on on a dorm He was he was an enemy of morgan after a while So, you know One of the tuskegee airmen is a cop at state university alum He cannot get a building. So I don't know because he ain't giving no money He ain't giving no money and that's that's a that's a even where we live it. Um But but but let me say I am exceedingly proud that bethune cook one of the things that I respect most about what cookman is doing Is they're not running from the issue When I talk to the vp when you see the the faculty and the students and the staff talk about it, they do not duck The elephant in the room like they embrace it and say amen We we in a bad way, but we're trying to work our way out of it They're not saying hey, you know, well, we're moving forward. We don't want to talk about that. They don't they don't do that They and I don't know if that's because they can they can say well, it wasn't me It was that guy who's no longer president anymore Um, or we're gonna do this in spite of the board. I don't know what it is the attitude they've taken But it's so unique and refreshing to hear people embrace the fact that hey, we're in trouble Um, because that was something that you didn't even see from Bennett until it was it was over Until they lost accreditation and that's when they really got busy with the fundraiser and started to say We have to do something different cookman is doing that now Um, so I think that they if this is to your point, I think they learned they learned from Bennett like don't wait Don't hide it and don't don't be ashamed of the problem. You better you better you better Tell people like yes, we have a problem and we need you to help us get out of it But what if that you got to tell people that you got a plan to stay out of trouble? See that's the thing. I don't think that they do If you can't you can't say that we're gonna do things differently and you keep the same agents Who caused the chaos in the first place, right? You might say I mean Grimes is still there I mean like and this is no this is no offense to him But even when we talked about the whole the whole dorm deal, it's like You went from general counsel to president you talked about I wasn't involved in this your general counsel at the university Like we signed a contract, right? So I think that I think that it's it's unfortunate that that's kind of the the niche of it all But again, I think that what jerry said was was spot on about I think that Bethune can survive in spite of Especially, you know with what they've been moving forward with and again you compare them to a school like Like morris brown, which refuses to admit its issues At any point the president I mean, I'm just I'm just I'm just saying like the president continues to duck interviews and duck tweets and Talk about being transparent talk about we've been we've been Closed for a few years. It's been 17. I mean, I think that no interviews turned down. Yeah, I mean I I think that I'm I think that it's it's refreshing to see how transparent they've been I have a friend of mine whose sister just graduated from Bethune this weekend And I was able to assault on on online So I mean, I think I think they're still moving in the way and with the school moves They're still educating students producing degrees and trying to fundraise. So I think that's quite refreshing versus What Bennett did would say we're all good until the last minute and then um, you know when stuff hit the fan it spread everywhere and hit everybody and um You know now that I don't know what's going on with with Bennett, honestly because are they still all they're still suing and In court They're still in courts and that's the I think that is so crazy to me That is so to me that is the most Baffling part of this I feel like if they went to that company that development company said Hey, look the guy that broke this deal and the trustees that let it happen. They're all gone. They've resigned and they walked away Can we work with you? To settle this thing if you stop suing people Maybe you put out a lot of the fires that that got you in the paper For $330 million. You know what I mean? Um, but also I mean, I mean I think and again I've mentioned this before like there's no way in heaven Hell of purgatory that that deal did not violate some consumer protection. Like there's no way I mean we already we have we understand that dodd frank was put in place for this very reason like And and there's no way you can tell me that that deal if we go through it and look at the provision for the state for the federal government And say that deal is fully legal that it's it's okay And that we're comfortable with the bank giving a university a black university a deal with an interest rate that high With terms of that nature. Hey quiet is kept the federal government doing it with capital finance program And and I can't say that they they've been given unfavorable terms What has been the the the issue is that the enrollment is not kept up with what those those debt servicing Terms have been so, you know, if you projected over Hey, we've been growing by 500 students every year for the last five years And you projected you'll you know, you can at least do half of that for the next five years Then you make a deal and say well, this is the revenue that we'll have well, what happens when you know, obama says Ain't no more plus loan And you lose 700 students in two years You know, I mean, is that what happened? Yeah, in so many words. Um So then now you're trying to What was of at least a 250 student surplus every year? has now become a 250 or 500 student deficit every year So then what you know, so that that is that is part of the conversation that I don't think that they will ever share Um, but a lot of people should a lot of people try Uh, but it is no excuse for saying, okay. Well, what do we do with this new financial reality? And how do we solve the issue of this in fighting? This personal promotion of board members all that Um, you know, Vince Carter's mama got to step down on the board. It takes that three weeks to happen Um, you know, you got trustees up here who helped sign the deal. It took them half a year resigned. How does that happen? Um, you got a former judge Who's the board chair now who literally came out and had a petal of press conference against other members of the board You know, what what are we doing? But what you appreciate is that the people who aren't involved in that at all who just want to see the thune cook and do well Are coming out saying yeah, that's us But we still deserve to be here despite all that foolishness We still deserve to be here and we hope we hope you will support us So, um, hopefully that was some good news. We still got shady. I'm sorry, katie. Um And when we come back And when we come back, um We're gonna have a another conversation that you guys won't be apprised of. Um Uh, that's based on something we said in the chat that just at the dark. We'll be right back The dark we're uh, we're back wrapping up our show. Um, had some conversation about the thune cookman and their their fundraising games uh, southern university and or's, um, his anti-james admin campaign And our university hospital. So let's let's finish this out. So you guys doing the chat or somebody did, um, this poll about The sexist dialects in america Did you uh, who I missed that today who put that in there? I don't I think it was and it actually was me No, taylor put it on on twitter and i tweeted it and i put it in there And we had the conversation about okay. Well, where is you know, where where the most attractive Dialects that you've heard In your travels around the country, right? Well, that's what those conversations. Okay Right. So now let's transfer that over to the campuses. So if you had to take your pick of Where is the which campuses? Of all the ones that we've been to did you get the most Love and I ain't talking about anything, you know illicit. I'm just talking about where you felt like, hey I would come back here Or I feel like this is an extension of where I go to school They do it just like we do it at my campus here Like where have you felt like the most love in your hbc your travels throughout hbc country? I love to hit a mecca first Well tippity and standoffish, so I wouldn't be surprised if she received hate From several campuses That um Having been removed from an hbcu community For two years before getting uh to k state when I First came to k state. I was like damn. I miss being home, but I think that was just because I knew that I was back in an hbcu community not necessarily that that was What I received at the time um But yeah, that's the best way I can answer this question So there's no can't so kentucky state has been One of your more favorable experiences in the hbcu community outside of howard I'm not necessarily saying that i'm just saying that having been removed from The camp a physical campus and a physical community for two years. Basically you ain't travel nowhere. Okay Or that or she she she gets hate. She gets a lot of hate. She gets a lot of hate where she goes, so You know what katey? He's gone She didn't do was off. She threw him out If you kick him off, what is he doing? Oh my god, what is wrong with you? He'll be back While we wait for oars to come back. Let's give Tiffany threw him out. Um, I don't know why y'all like to play with me Like like y'all don't know that Denied like y'all don't don't do that. You got to put it back. We are recording. We're literally recording Great. We're literally recording And she's got I don't know why y'all like to play with the bell going off katey going Where is the campus or you got the most love? Uh, oh wow, I don't normally have a problem getting love on campuses Um, so all of them but the ones that I I enjoyed the most atmosphere I enjoyed the most was um, you know the the merger more more house speleman and club Like it's just I don't know, but I like Atlanta. So I might have a little bias down there man I think that's the one experience. I wish I would have had But again, I didn't want to go to college. So I wasn't even looking for that when I was leaving high school Hey, orce She literally threw him out like He was live in recording like That was hard I'll say the terrible rum was I wasn't saying that I wasn't saying that you're not well traveled I would say that you didn't travel a lot of campuses while you were in school I didn't either see now. I did now she feels bad. I traveled I went to Bethune well enough by now while I was in school. I went to Bethune. I went to anti I went to Tuskegee Where else did I go? I went I went to all three of the AUC schools. I went to savannah state Like I went to a lot of I was like, oh, I know you you go to this school We're taking a road trip. So That was me So which campus would you say like I would as a student? Like I would go back there like this is this is live or I I I love it here Like I'm not gonna lie. I went to skiggy homecoming one year That jump was right Their stadium is and I shout out to whoever it was that had an ID look like me I got the student ID to get into the game for free. Um And you know their stadium is like a real stadium It's like basically like a big ass piece of grass with an overhang But it's like they like tailgate like almost it's like almost like on the field They got people with grills like damn there in the end zone. Yeah, so Yeah, their homecoming was was pretty great. I always had a good time in Atlanta, though I was always a lot people from DC, but I went to private high school So all the cap of school people they end up going to Stelman and Morehouse or whatever. So I always had fun in Atlanta I went to Aggie Fest one year. That was great um I like Aggie Fest more than like jee-ho. So I mean there was um a lot of campus But I had to probably give it to skiggy first because I didn't know anyone to skiggy I just I just showed up and it was uh, it was a great time. I always found um Howard to be standoffish Uh, it's not like you could you could walk around campus or like going to calf and people like oh, where you from or you know I would love to see her throw your head out the day. Oh, she's gonna be out and get thrown off the shelf Here's here's some rules for people that don't understand how this works Me and Jared don't do that to each other. That's one thing that we joke around But he's not gonna do that to me and I'm not gonna do that to him, but I'll do that to y'all if y'all find me You know, it's funny Other people other people have other people have been thrown off. I'm one of the first to come back So I'm gonna go ahead and I brought you back. I I denied you the first time the second time Oh my goodness. Um, I found Howard to be standoffish, uh, Tiffany affirmed how standoffish the school is. Um, that was in my What did I affirm that? I would say locally Surprisingly considerance in pg, which is standoff usa Um, boo we say actually shows a lot of love I'm not actually Yeah, boo. He was so much fun boo Oh, it's so much fun. The boo is fun. Lincoln's Lincoln's a lot of fun. Lincoln is very cool Del State is fun. You gotta get out there. You me. That's just fun. But you gotta get out there. I mean, that's a You would be surprised Three of those and I just I just never got out the car You assume you assume that a lot of the more northern hbc campuses just because of the geography and the attitudes of the people up here That they're kind of standoffish, right? Like Morgan nobody's gonna really show you love unless you know somebody If you know somebody then you're gonna have a good time. If you're just walking around the campus like nobody's gonna be like Hey, what what you looking for? That's the way that's the way I'm defining like show love When I've been the buoy if I'm looking for something somebody will stop me like oh, I'll walk you over there Yeah, you know, I mean like they especially hate to say it if you're greek. Yeah You're good at buoy. That may not be the case at at Morgan It may not be the case at our I mean, let's not let's not forget that Morgan has had chapters To spend it for fighting other chapters in the same city shout out the ba. Um Back in my senior year and I wasn't even talking about them You talking about the omega shout out to the kids Back in my senior year when I was an ambassador I took a few of my co-ambassadors to campus And one young man was an alpha. He was wearing his jacket and everything And he approached okay And he like introduced himself and everything And she was just like And right you're from there and what school was that? Where was uh, oh a very small hbcu out of um Damn See, you don't even know where you were. Um, no, no, I was on my campus. I was at Howard I said I took my co-ambassadors to my campus and my man who was an alpha Wanted to introduce himself to a k and she was like and you're from where again Howard stand off stand off you. Um What I have found personally for me and I think it's just more of my personality I think the the the more rural hbcu's show a lot of love. Um I recently a couple weeks ago went to um Alabama and them for the first time um Got a lot of love there like meaning people are walking down the sidewalk. Hey, how you doing? Um, are you with somebody or how are you looking for something? Uh all corn Uh had a great time there and that's literally in the middle of nowhere People were trying to take me to the chicken spot. That's like literally down down a dirt road. Um They called the reservation for it. It's the it's the reservation um I'm trying to think of another one Where I had they showed a lot of love uh, um, yes back when I was a student went to um Yes, homecoming, which was one of my favorite home comes of all time a basketball homecoming Best spring homecoming by far by far. Um got caught in a blizzard We were part in the middle of a blizzard I mean, but that it's those kind of experiences where I feel like When you're on a campus where all they have is each other You get you get a lot of love. Um when when you're in a campus where it's kind of Metropolitan Situated where there's more to do than worry about who's new on the campus. You don't get as much love The only exception I would say to that in my trap. My travels at least was Tennessee state Um to be in a big city and people showing Showing big love like that's that's a big different. Um Tiff drops in the chat, uh that that I was from tall digger. Um unfortunate shout out to digger Um in the chapter Katie, do you have any thoughts on alpha game played by uh, uh an alpha an alpha a k From the alpha chapter No It's expected Dang I mean, I mean from alpha chapter. What? I guess in some cases, you know, just depends on where you find, you know, I'm not greek So I don't know nobody is but I mean, I think that like you said Jared like Hey, you know women that number Even even when I'm like I live right I live like cross-strait from Texas Southern like Tsu is a very different environment than prairie view and they're like in It's 45 miles away from each other, but prairie view is in the woods. Prairie view is known as a party school They got bulls and cattle running through their parties on the on the yard And I mean And Texas Southern is in the middle of third world like it's surrounded by a lot more to do than Then about a prairie view. So I think like you said, I think it's I think it's very true I mean even look at the biggest party schools in the country, even white schools, you know, you talk about West Virginia and florida state and all these schools in the middle of nowhere Southern southern has has it's in a city bad ruse, but they have a bad ruse of city uh They got a downtown bad rules like tallahassee. It's a big ass town. They have a real downtown though This is true. It's not it's not like downtown, you know, um Where the downtown is like a main street like they actually have a a a business district, you know what I mean Um, I'll give you that southern southern has like a rural feel But it's it's on the outskirts of bad rouge. Um And you can get love there It depends on the it depends on the day and like how many people are outside and all that kind of stuff Um, but I think, you know, the more northern you go If you're if you're just going on a regular day, I'm not talking about a springfest or a yardfest or homecoming or anything That's the way I'm defining like how much love do you get all at campus when everybody's outside? Everybody is showing love Because that's what the event is about. Um, I ain't gonna lie. Copping homecoming is pretty dope Um, yeah for what it is. I mean it is small So it's but it's but you gotta but you gotta go at homecoming if you're just walking around on a regular day It's like somebody might literally say like who is this dude? Yeah, you gonna get pulled up on especially in the spring when we all outside So I'm gonna put you up because you gonna look like a stranger Like it's only 2,500 students the active students probably make up 800 and so if you don't live on campus You already look you see what I mean. So that's not love. That's that's a threat like It's like yo, are you looking for somebody like what's going on? That's intimidation like that's not hbc love Well, we gotta protect that campus, you know, we in the cut you right not even in the cut But we in the middle of the trap. So you gotta say ain't nothing cut about copy you right? I mean, but that's that's what I'm I'm basing that off of and I think that This whole conversation Pretty much lends itself to how how welcoming is your campus to the surrounding community? Because I happen this life because you can't we like the dog park at how if you Don't go there except ain't no dogs or as y'all say But but I would say like that's the that's the that's the key like if you if people Who aren't from your campus and aren't of that campus community can't walk around and say hey, I like it here I like to come on campus Then I wonder how the people in your community feel And is there something that the administration can do to change that that culture? Because we we talked about this in the chat before At least when I was a student at Morgan, it was not unusual For young people that were in the that community like the northwood Northeast community be riding bikes and skateboards through the campus So that to me that I was always happy to see that because it signaled The young people the kids in the community like to be on campus At least if if for no other reason it's an open space. It's pretty girls to look at That was before 2010 when people started getting robbed And people get robbed by high schools, dude, I mean these were not grown men rob people on them bridges It was kids 16 17 years old. Yeah I mean, but that That to me is the signal of of how if if other hbcu community members get love Then the community might feel love And it's interesting that y'all bring up Howard because the people who want to walk through Howard's campus Are disrespecting it So where now what is interesting about that just to bring this full circle? Where was the surrounding community to defend Howard? I ain't talking about the students. Obviously the students should have defended Howard But where were the people in the community say hey, don't be don't walk in dugs on a campus But keep in mind like Bloomingdale especially has been gentrified immensely like the property values of Bloomingdale are insane So people who like still do live in the community who've been there for a good amount of time are old And They're not a lot even there probably are new black residents who live there But they probably didn't go to hbcu's and have no connection to the city. They're probably from Iowa Grand grand rapids or somewhere like they're not They're they're probably shout out the Floyd Mayweather. They're probably not They're probably not They might don't have a connection to school I mean, I think I think the sad part about it is with the Howard situation again Howard in many many cases Hasn't always had the best relationship with black dc Like a lot of the students have been seen as you know, bougie black dc people Even it's even the black students who went to Howard like my father's from uptown Someone from southeast 20 years ago probably didn't like my dad because people from uptown It's too different. It's two different parts of town, right? Yeah, my father went to Coolidge when Coolidge was still like a mixed race high school versus going to Anna Or going to belu or going to hd So, I mean, I think that there's I think there's been a and people people who went to Coolidge and went to wilson and went to You know those schools back in a day who went to Howard was different type of black person than the people who went You know who are more mary and berry type people on the south side, so I think that that The dynamics are very very different But it's the same way and at balsamore morgan like morgan is not the most beloved school within the city No because of that reason because they look at morgan as uppity bougie black people in balsamore and people from pg and from dc You come up so I think that those that's interesting that you mentioned that because Coppin is more of the working people's school water city in any way And it's in west balsamore, which obviously gets more love anyway, right? So the students don't respect we don't respect our campus community like we have garages now and we will still park on the streets Like But you got shuttles now like That's not far. Yo, like I'm I'm with the school with the garage there that don't pass engineering is far like That don't is mad. I was in I was a business student. You know how far my mechanism is that's true from Architecture and you don't want to walk there at night, but at the same time I mean that's that is the That is why we have an anti antagonistic relationship with the community and that's why a lot of hbc's go through that One we don't invite the community on campus even for athletic events If we don't we don't tell them to come to like a rivalry game. We'll say come to homecoming. We don't say a come comes Come see us against a big big time opponent Matt coppin versus Morgan should be the biggest game in Baltimore city two times a year It typically is but should be people afraid to get stand usually have some celebrities there. You got some cameras I think I think the issue I think the bigger issue with that has just been Like the advent of of how things have gone for both school in the last couple years Like when Morgan is competitive the game is usually bigger when confidence competitive the game is bigger But again, I think university does a terrible job at at making things bigger They don't publicize the Howard game football game at all and it's still like the best selling game besides homecoming every year They do no publicity for it Right, it'd be a regular game on the schedule and people still show up But it's because the people have decided this is something that we're going to make into a cultural event And that's a good thing when the community decides that But we don't I don't I don't feel like we show enough love to to let the community know like you can You can facilitate More opportunities like that like I was always surprised like We have we have a thing in Morgan call. I love morgan day Well, I'll come to more the community is not there That's the perfect time for small kids to be on campus and plan on a moon bounce and eating funnel cake and This whole more than mild thing fell off hard. So So I know I'll say this right the people in tallahassee love Fam like the people even they didn't go to college like fam you leaves the fcs in attendance every year for football Not because of students and alumni, but because the black people in tallahassee love fam you like It is there's like when people have house why they don't call it police Like it is generally like the area surrounding the school loves the campus And morgan is the exact opposite where they call the police on us get our cars towed access to get tickets like So I do I did see a difference when I was in school because fam As a community like the tallahassee people love fam you and they generally have love for the black fam you students Versus what I saw in balsamore You know that your school has community residents When the citizens and we'll wrap up on this note When the citizens who did not attend college or did not attend that school Are wearing your colors in the community? And there are very few places that I've been Where people little kids senior citizens are wearing a shirt Of the college of the hbc in that area You're absolutely right It trips me out to see people in the airport like people that you know didn't go to copping and cops think university t-shirts And they got a cop and a cop and shirt Why because that to them did you get that from goodwill did you go to the school? But it's part they had to go to the school because we don't sell them in the stores But what i'm saying is that's part of their civic pride And there are very few campuses where I've been where people in the community are wearing a shirt like that all corn is one of them Morehouse you see people you know people in the in the atlanta area wearing a morehouse shirt Like that's not that's not foreign So what I think hbc's got to do a better job of is finding a way Beyond athletics Forget football and basketball beyond athletics where people feel like that's my school Because you know what else does that people all over pg county wear maryland shirts people all over all over south calana wear Clemson shirts Because they feel you know they wouldn't accept either one of them right and and they feel like that's my school Even if they touch no parts of the campus they feel like that's my school Hbc's got to get to a point where either by hooker by crook. They're doing something that people in the community feel like That's my school. That's my anchor institution. Just like people in bwy wear a coppin shirt You know, I mean that that's that's my i'm repping that school not maryland not ub coppin Yeah, so I've never seen ub prayer for no, yeah No, then people people stay with it with the ub law crew next UB law exactly Just ub law They got to undergraduate. I got I got two that graduated from ub I've never seen them wear university of bar the more shirts. I've never met them. Not ever. I met them Law stuff ub law stuff goes hard That's different ub got one of the best law schools in the state. Yeah We got to get to there. We got to get there. So brothers. I appreciate y'all. Thank you so much Tiff not thrown off the show tonight, but since she threw off ores may consider throwing her off for real About an extra get out of here. So again, thank you guys for listening mid-broadcast you threw some She threw some my home in the middle of taping um hbc digest.com and again on the serious 142 xm radio network The pride of harry university's digital imprint. Thanks for listening. I just have to dark. Peace