 eat let's do it guys this is a super wholesome podcast no swearing please no swearing on my christian discord server no swearing get off sir that's the orc speech version in case you guys speak that want to be all inclusive as now as green cut tool that's your opinion phil swift hello there everyone uh i wonder how long it's going to take him to realize that there's a jared emo and then to start spamming that well oh god jared milk oh no jared milk what does that mean they've already done rhino milk ghost milk spider milk jared's just the next one there was somebody who follows the podcast uh who knows me and they were like uh sorry i missed the podcast what what's the butterfly one i get i understand the rhino milk and the ghost milk but the butterfly what was the butterfly one actually i need remembering reminding what was the butterfly one um someone posted a butterfly in the chat and then i commented on it and then everyone started spamming butterfly milk well that's what you get so i didn't think that we're going to combine the two allow this is i need to remind you how this game is played you open your mouth once and you're done i'm a shower with wheels yeah so we all got splendid new new avatars for this like potentially one podcast and you know it's up to everybody but uh how is everybody well i'm gonna do this properly this time be like we have a guest i'm introducing that first because that's literally what you should do uh j longbone who runs a channel where she just rips into things because she's mean it's true yeah i'm just robin come to you i'm fine oh i'm good excellent this is like the perfect mood to be in for one of these ridiculously long stupid podcasts um why why is your name why is your name long bone uh it's oh no don't answer that question no it's actually a very safer word uh answer yeah it's it's a mystery science theater reference oh when when i hear when i heard the name long bone i found it humorous i can i you know i i get i know why rags i don't even need to explain that you like that did you like that did you like the humorous because we all know because it's a long bone you're referencing like cavemen how they used to hit people with bones and stuff what no no what have the cavemen violence have to do with this rags i know you're a violent man that's why you did it it has nothing to do with it your bone is the humorous it's a long bone i found it humorous yeah we got it we got it we got no yeah it's like a joke for your body yeah um so memberships are a thing now on this channel especially thanks to all the patreon crap is going on a lot of people want to find alternatives to actually do it at whatever donations they prefer so the membership thing you can find it there's a link just underneath the first link in in the description it allows you to use emotes on the channel and it gets you membership stuff i think the only person right now who has it in chat is uh where is he was he was just using it uh so i can hide away if that's how that's pronounced that's why i have to read it but uh so there's these five emotes but then there's one more i'm going to post it in chat so you guys can all appreciate it done done done done it's a beautiful emote and so you you're you can use that link to become a member i guess and then down the line we'll probably switch out these emotes for people who really want efap related ones the badges you get have milk on them and upgrade to rhinos drinking it eventually like i'm trying to correct the animation all the the picture on it to look better but that's that's the idea and of course um maybe you guys can you said that so seriously it made it funny it's important that they know that they have milky emotes that's they need it the thing is yeah people is like we already have the rhino and the milk like i wouldn't even need to have emotes for that really well it's like levels you start off at skim and then you graduate no no you start off at soy so he's because so is the worst and then you go up to skim because it's like would you portray that with a tiny picture though um they would all look identical of course but you know that's pointless like i know i guess um carry on i always forget to put that link out oh wait this shouldn't be a hashtag so terrible hey we haven't started the video yet it's just fine and no we're not watching whatever the hell that says oh cats make you laugh your head off i mean i don't have no idea what this even is it's a weird combination of letters what does that say tec ta tec ta what are you talking about well you can read it right oh test that's test is that what relic yeah t and e are the same but the c makes an s sound why is it all in russian well this is the default video i have no idea what's going on this is this is what they provide me is this proof that we're russian bots we put that on the screen they were like wait what what is aqua jared what is aqua jared aqua jared is probably better than aquaman because that movie is awful yeah is it bad oh god it's hilarious me and my friend like people were shooting me and my friend dirty looks in the theater because we just couldn't stop laughing yeah it was really it was hilariously dreadful i don't have any plans to see it i just watched the red letter media for it it's bad funny bad but i heard there was a crab battle oh god there's a there's a crab person who like rips off a line that you know that famous they may take our land but they can't take our freedom they like literally rip that off and put it in the movie only it's a fucking CGI crab person saying it so it's really really funny i actually forgot about that part what did you think of aquaman oh wait me yeah yeah what'd you think of jacklyn glenn being one of the main characters well i thought well see my personal my first personal feelings on aquaman i actually enjoyed it oh i enjoyed it too i just i just enjoyed it entirely ironically yeah well yeah that's i think that's the only one because i think that's what they were going for because you can't aquaman is he's just not he's not that hero he talks to fish that's fucking so cool yeah i mean you can't make him anything but an ironic hero because it's just you can't do him you can't do him like batman you can't do him like superman it's just it'd be impossible so i think they just went straight into like you know ironic cringe territory they were just like fucking all right look we got a guy a we got a guy in a fucking black suit in a big head and he looks like a like a retarded mantis oh god did you love that did you love that shot where he like he shot the laser and it blew up the mountain in that terrible after effects explosion and then he looks back and he looks like he's constipated for some reason shit yeah oh i really love the part where they completely ripped off uh the plot of how to train your dragon to where they bring his mom back into velociraptor land and then she's like you gotta go get the fork and he's like okay so he fights the uh grave mine from halo two and then he steals the dead dude's clothes and he's like i'm ready when you describe the movie i mean i do appreciate the fight scenes i really like the way they were done that on ironic like legitimately because in normally in action movies it's always like the shaky handheld thing and they can't they can't keep the goddamn camera still you don't know what's going on and with this it's sometimes it's just like one continuous shot of uh this is one continue continuous fight uh sequence and i like like i like that attention to detail it's like like they put some they put effort into this movie like there was no half-assing it uh it's just but it's just it's just it's like they did it it's like they made it kind of wonky because they knew they couldn't make it any other way but there was but there was attention to detail in some parts of the film yeah and that looks expensive oh yeah it was expensive because it's all underwater and they have to make like half CGI why do they have massive crab armies fighting and have like practical effects for that oh i'm guessing because there's no crab people i feel back so i feel like i need to see this film now just to be able to be like you appreciate the insanity you need to appreciate the insanity it's it gets really funny do i want to go cinema for it is that something i want to do i would say so just because you can laugh and everyone else can like glare at you when they're taking it seriously for some reason well that's fair enough um i was gonna say just to make sure we're rolling with with intro here i've got like full videos for us to do thing with and then something for rags to read out and then potential small means for you get to a video this is gonna be our longest intro i think we're already at 10 minutes so the subjectivity slayer i was gonna say people are making more of these videos now so i feel like we should just try and showcase some of them at least and be like we actually oh god is that the last jedi in the corner over there i'm just i'm gonna just play it i'm just i'm just play it that's just right hello there ladies and gentlemen that's legit amazing that's that's great it must have taken ages to a baffle of a get all those faces moving correctly got eric just right joseph lee quinton a movie bob how dare there be nine dislikes on this video look listen to this comment moller isn't a good reviewer the dude basically tries to overanalyze everything to the smallest detail and it's basically him gatekeeping there is no such thing as an objective opinion it's a bunch of jargon made up by extremely pissed fanboys like moller who want to feel like they can justify anything they say with such a vague excuse well they got us and overanalyzing overanalyzing is gatekeeping yeah i didn't know that i'm assuming they're trying to go for the whole like we gate keep what good movies and bad movies are have we ever told anyone to stop making content no well i might i might have mentioned it to quinton a few dozen times but maybe maybe not counting quinton well i think outside of a joke i don't know good lord what's this one you guys you guys ready this one's gonna the payoff's gonna make you laugh oh i can't wait holy shit in an e-fab far far away i fucking hate trump it only makes sense that if you want milk you would use a rhino you're a response please go away oh god i need to see who this is oh my god oh i know please be who i think it is please oh i want to be surprised by this oh some to jerry jenesis also the oh my god oh I'm spamming this link in the chat everyone go watch this amazing oh my god I should have seen that Jared in coming but it's just I can tell you Rags his reaction was exactly by Roswell she feels like please be Jared please be oh my god if you click on if you click on the links to Quinton and Patrick oh yeah that is actually quite funny if you do that it takes us somewhere else sub to Quinton where's this one go please tell me it's oh no I accidentally clicked off of it now I need to see where the other one goes okay okay so Quinton goes to ER Patrick goes to no you should have had you should have had Quinton go to PewDiePie yeah oh geez that's insane and then one more meme video we still got more videos down and then does math like a calculator I've killed 20 people in this battle he's in a coma so he's not technically dead so that's point five it's about to like four and then falls like wait a lot of us have died already he's like how many exactly how many what if there's an odd number of people in the shit picture like a business suit with big old glasses just like he just sits down at his little desk and he's like all right gonna pull out my pocket calculator guys you I owe you 200 lives your next 200 babies are on me just awesome these are amazing yeah you guys are like really passionate and talented and also have loads of free time and I really appreciate that also the Jared one is objectively the best oh that one dude my I have my cramps on my soul I wasn't I didn't think we'd be laughing that hard that early but like I I have to watch it again because I was laughing so much like I didn't even catch half of it so I can save it later and I'll still have half of it to enjoy yeah it was it was a lasty fap right that we ended it with watching like that the redo of the Count Dooku fight thing right oh yeah we got there's another one of those but I was gonna do it at the end of the episode as well because someone said I need to check out Jared's channel and oh my god the thumbnail alone is his last his latest video keep it up there Jared all right so back to reality there was is a video that go released I can't I'm not even a hundred percent sure let me find out what the date was because I don't even know if it's old like December 24th so it's even around for five days and it's already nearing a million views like it's doing pretty damn well and so it's gotten into a bunch of people's recommended and there are certain people like Patrick Willems who have tweeted out that they're very unhappy about that because you know how if you see a perspective that's different to yours that means that it should be allowed to be public oh this was a great video I really like this video so if we're not gonna watch the whole thing but I'm gonna look for a specific bit actually let me just do the smart thing and do it a without fucking guessing where it is it's great because he's only got like 43,000 subs and this video is on track to 900,000 views well that's great I think that is fair to say there's something worthwhile seeing in this video surely if it's getting that kind of traction I mean that's not exactly an argument for how it must be good I'm just saying you know I didn't realize you titled this stream a rhinos worth of memes and checking out bad media criticism yeah I mean you know that's something we're gonna do to throw that in there but yeah he's got to coincidence this is like a selection this is basically an argument against Disney for how they use lightsabers and the thing that he highlights is how lightsabers seem to only like people they never kill anymore or at least to the significant characters like Kylo and Finn and then he like keeps building up how he's gonna talk about the throne room bit because it's like obviously the bit everyone's got a lot of problems with and interestingly he has some stuff to say so I'm hoping I can just play this I don't think I'll get anything but I'll be posting is the YouTube video in in chat for everybody to sit and here we go whoa she's strong two other four she's in the room but doesn't stop right what the fuck it's this guy doing she's on the other side of the room nice pose here we go the worst choreograph fight in the history of mankind why are you spinning stop spinning and look at the other guy he's about to go for his sword instead of his head where are you going she's a kick three people with one kick this is awesome that kicks embarrassing just quickly what would have happened if they'd killed Kylo like who would they then answer to very confused very confused man man she's good two points here the worst thing to have in a spaceship is fire but these guys stand in front of a massive wall with weapons that lighted up like a Christmas tree so what's the matter with you this isn't something you slow down to see this guy is literally waiting his turn what are you doing over there buddy fucking get into the fight oh good more screaming remember when Jedi's would focus see this guy this is my favorite part is about to throw his weapon away before charging in literally throw it out of the shot so he can die roll the tape they're watching this amazing more floor hitting oh Kylo doesn't seem to have much control here we go you've all seen it the disappearing weapon why they didn't remove it from the start of the cut who knows now you see it and now it's gone there's another chance to kill her and in the move that just fucks me off that arm was pushing against her as soon as she let go that weapon should have gone clean through her face and then apparently we were the only ones that picked it up because we had to see this video and I think was it rags that picked that up I yeah I was the one who noticed it because we were going through another video of the last Jedi I forget which one because they're all the same kind and it's just every time we it's like we catch something new that's awful about it and this was one that I was like wait a second she should be dead here and bang that leg should be gone what just nicked again okay headshot what why isn't his head off what's with all the just broken the knicks the flash wounds it's a strong army say just doesn't protect the face now people say well you slowed it down no one will ever notice or better still I'm nitpicking lift your standards people they spend months working on these fights look at the training they went through for the prequels see how many mistakes you can find in those films how did so many mistakes get passed so many people this isn't a one take scene they would have done this over and over and over is it the lack of talent or do they just not care this is working out the moves for that these bullshit yeah uh check out the video it's good shit oh yeah this is great yeah this is this channel I am more inclined to promote it just because Patrick is trying to tell people that this video is awful and nobody should watch it when how could you deny you should all watch how was that not fun see see the all the mistakes in a row I didn't notice the guy who just threw his weapon away well I mean it sort of fits how long are we gonna have this statement be true every time you revisit the last Jedi more mistakes are found like the treasure trove of a movie um but yeah that's listen weapons are like plot holes they don't matter I'm waiting for that video for Patrick I mean you gotta be you gotta be the most soft penis asshole to think this video was bad that would no that would describe Patrick um all right so I'm gonna send you guys the thing that the that we're gonna read out now so the context for this this first one uh this is this is from a reddit post and it's about me holy mother of god right rags you gotta read this as jeez all right candidly as possible as if as if you wrote this and you really wanted to share this all right moller is a prominent youtuber in video essayist he is known for making long video series moller made a series analyzing amnesia the dark descent in soma two games he likes for their construction atmosphere and compelling stories that series about two video games about 20 hours of interactive narrative to an average player was eight hours long moller also dislikes the sequel trilogy of the star wars franchise of films moller has spent approximately this much time criticizing the last jedi or people who have made videos defending the last jedi including live streams with other youtubers 66 hours let's do some ratios like or nerves yeah let's do some ratios for a moment we cannot know editing or writing time for certain especially since live streams have neither so we will have to go with on-screen time also bearing in mind many of the streams cover multiple topics and it's not always him speaking or round that up since i don't think moller minds he does not take length of critique as real criticism amount of time spent talking about something compared to amount of time that thing itself takes to consume amnesia and soma eight hours to 20 hours so that's about one hour to 2.5 hours two to five hours the ratio of time spent talking about soma and amnesia compared to how long they are is two to three so he spends about two fifths as much time as the media in question talk about how good it is now let's do the last jedi 66 hours to two and a half i'm not dying oh you went to do what do you mean oh you're all good just keep you lagged monstrosity oh oh let's do the last jedi 66 hours out wait can any of you guys be hey wolf can you hear me hmm it looks like everyone's dead hello oh i can you oh i can hear you now i don't know what the hell it's going to be what just happened i just i don't know i just i think discord was having an oopsie but i can hear you guys now rags i genuinely thought you must have had like a keyboard next to you when you were intentionally being like oh no no i couldn't hear you guys add that you were doing all you may you're making weird noises and that's the thing then mauler would said my name and i was like what and then mauler started doing it and i was like like i thought you guys were in on this and i was like how do i do it oh no no no but um let me see uh since we know he's not talking about it at all times let's be generous and remove one quarter of that ratio 19.8 to one so round up to be clean 20 to one so we can now say that mauler as of now has spoken of his disliking of a film or the people who like it which isn't accurate order for 20 times as long as the film actually is obviously we cannot say that criticizing a video about something is the same as criticizing that thing but as the source of his criticism against the last jedi themed videos is his own opinion on the film itself i won't lose any conscience combining the two criteria time for one last bit of ratio let's combine the two ratios amnesia and soma media he likes is two hours to five hours the last jedi media he dislikes is 20 hours to one hour let's times the last jedi by five to make them the same 100 to five ratio of time spent on something he likes to something he dislikes is two to 100 and altogether now one to 50 mauler has approximately dedicated 50 times as much screen presence to something he dislikes as he has to something he likes just so you're wondering i spent approximately one hour doing this research and math that sounds like seventh grade math it would be hypocritical of me remiss even not to admit that i myself doing the same sort of thing mauler does as i dislike him and am currently dedicating time to disliking him but i rather think the scales are still weighed in his direction let's do an encore ratio one hour to 66 hours mauler has spent around 66 times as much on-screen time alone to the criticizing of the last jedi as i have spent internal time criticizing him sure i haven't factored in the extra time on his part not dedicated to his task but i also haven't factored in the portion of my time dedicated to guessing how much of his podcast was not him so i reckon it's fair uh what the fuck wow what was the point of this i don't know i read this i was like what the fuck am i reading what is the point is that the last jedi is so bad we can talk about it for that long well my assumption is they're trying to say i disproportionately hate the last jedi and they're trying to search for bonus motivation i suppose but i mean we're very public about this uh we take requests on efab so if people keep which they do keep requesting tlj videos we we will cover them we've even tried to stymie it now we're trying to slow it down just because even us we'd prefer to cover something completely different every once in a while um so yeah not taking that into account even a little bit um my ds2 video is longer than my tlj critique so i don't know how you figure that in um the soma videos i think come to 7.5 hours which again is longer than the tlj critique you'd be like well why aren't you covering soma and amnesia videos like who the fuck's making videos saying that soma and amnesia are the worst things ever aside from joseph anderson which i've already covered that's not even a horror game yeah so why would i even cover it when it's not even a horror game why bother i don't i don't even like let's say this person was in this call right now what would you say to them from this i would be curious i would i would be curious what his point is i would kind of i'd just give him like a couple seconds and be like and yeah i would ask him what is he trying to say i'd ask him why it took him an hour to figure out that simple mathematical equation and if only if only that was it but someone put a response that got a bunch of well i say a bunch of points a couple of points to the point where it's clear that this this subreddit seems to think this is a very reasonable take so i'm posting that now this is this is the one you'll find very amusing so um are you folks ready uh oh boy prepare your anus this helps add to my theory that more people have subscribed to him simply because he set himself up in a particular camp against another set of people on social media in reality this has less to do with star wars and more to do with how people want to associate themselves with one camp versus another camp a lot of this is revealed in his manifesto at the beginning of his most recent you have a manifesto he's he's eliot roger a lot of this oh fuck well now this channel is gonna get deleted a lot of a lot of this is revealed in his manifesto at the beginning of his most recent video he promotes himself as objective without really going into what that is and why anything he actually says is objective in the first place it's basically sargon of a cod all over again um carl benjamin defined all right there's one in the same it was strange reading that all right carl benjamin defined himself because he opposed anida sarkeesian and people fell in line with him because they opposed anida sarkeesian now the carl wants to actually promote his own ideas he's losing support uh only meant to gain support recently all right time to go to social blade here they're gonna be disappointed he's losing support why because people figured out that he brought nothing to the table other than the fact that he opposed someone a lot of people didn't like okay so let's let's look at his let's look at his social blade here starting from uh the the 16th he gave he goes from gaining subscribers at 1460 then the next day it's 2129 1719 1912 1760 994 1421 982 what's the daily average uh daily average is 703 so you're saying he's losing support so this is interesting totally his secondary channel the thinkery has a daily average of plus 676 and then in the last 30 days he has gained 20 300 subscribers but he's losing support and apparently i'm just like him yeah also he was kicked from patreon and he made all of his money back and then some within a week two weeks so i guess he's losing support um this is basically what moller is promoting himself as he's not like h bomber guy joseph anderson or quinton or all these other people thank god thank god oh who dodged the bullet there he's not like though yeah what is quint what is quinton's social blade doing these days you want to bring that back up moller that's not an argument well it is in this case but he's not like those people who precursor the bulk of their material with in my opinion moller is not like not like not like etc i don't even know if that really means and what will his downfall be when moller actually tries to create anything promote anything do anything other than be the opposite of what many are already predisposed to disliking an odd sentence welcome to the post hashtag gamer gate social media i didn't realize you were so active in gamer kate the majority focus of my videos oh man where popularity is defined by what you're opposed to rather than what you stand for so what he says will create anything or promote anything does promote other channels count or not just promote i don't think this person has ever made a video in their life i mean molligate um i so uh yeah i don't define myself or what i stand against uh since my opening videos were celebrating how much i thought amnesia and soma were good games and you can i thought i laid it out in the video that he refers to as my bad afesto i like celebrating good and and criticizing the bad that's so that's my position right if that's does that make it clearer i don't know it turns out tlj's bad sorry i expect you have a ledger in here in like a loose rock in the mantle of the fireplace we got a we got a monday moller in the chat that's pretty good man of manifesto now wait a minute moller no really what do you even say to shit like that you know moller festo who's this chick this this is the video we're covering we're finally almost there even though we're 40 minutes in i'll have to put a timestamp this reddit post is amazing this is incredible like this person has no concept of like i hate to bring objectivity into it but have you like objectively seen the objective numbers objectively like sargon's doing pretty good and moller's doing pretty good molla festo quinton is not doing pretty good right now yeah no it's you know you read you know the other people who'd be like he doesn't respond to uh actual criticism or intelligent criticism and you read all of it and you're just like oh my goodness what in the world kind of insulting to all of the people that we've covered who criticize you well i mean i was gonna say they make a worse case than like even potentially quinton no maybe not it's complicated i mean like just right the other things is like people are welcome to come on to these live streams whenever they want i think that'll be turned against us at some point like that people will say they just bully people into trying to debate them live while they corner them that's going to be the heritage i think eric taxon's already working on that exact angle i think so honestly but like is it if we want us to clarify with like i don't come on if it was one of them we'd be like i guess that won't be an efab then because that's not really what efab is but i mean i mean that's a fair request i mean well we we could deal to make it so that uh you know only one of us has a non-muted mic yeah i think that's fair because you are you know when you criticize three people or whatever you know then it will be a one v three because you you went against three people um i would understand i understand why you wouldn't want to be in a live stream against three other voices i get that entirely but it's very eric this is this really retarded what you're doing what we do and say all the time including to you is that you're welcome to we want to talk with you and we want to talk about this in particular with you so if your message is that we don't want to address criticism and we're inviting you personally on to talk about it with us that makes your whole why why bother making the video at all oh wait so sorry someone just said that uh hbalma guys said shit about me odd odd circle jerk and i just had a quick google and uh he's actually odd there hello hbalma of course he of all people is on our circle jerk oh what is oh jesus christ what is this what circle oh god i'll post it to you guys look at this post what is oh i shall read it no there's no there's no this is too long even for us oh okay yeah you're right this is like the size of one of your scripts so lots lots of emojis we got some i guess it's smiling hard emojis we got some mad emojis we got a cool guy narrative tripling oh gee narrative tripling yeah because there's three emojis that's narrative tripling oh my god oh that's wonderful hbalmer guy maybe you should stop stop now i really i i remember kind of what he was he was featured in this video uh called uh reasonable questions for anti social justice warriors and i did a video on that and i'm just i i just realized like uh like he was the same guy i just realized he's the same guy that you're talking about you called him dutch boy somebody's are pretty good um i recognize rusty cheese knife he's here he posted a few hours ago we should probably avoid eddie dames i mean even though there was a link to the threads people can find shit it's just uh whenever you use names people like you're bullying bullying oh okay so which one of is hbalmer is he general melon no he he all he said was thanks for your service um so it's it's the whole remember do you remember word for word what i said in my video hbalmer guy i'm totally up for conversation even though i don't think what you say makes a lot of sense just please stop with the petty snipes and then what does he do he snipes at me petally oh that's what they do that's why they won't you know do you don't like discussions and stuff i think it's interesting like they like this guy saying also he has been objectively wrong as in no sire no joke he has been objectively wrong yeah we all have exactly mother says that in his video he brings up like three examples where he's been wrong in the past there's actually a subreddit that someone made for my stuff now that's like a smaller community but still you know pro-mola let's put it that way and somebody posted about how um i made the mistake of saying c3po's arm was red uh and changed in tlj even though it was changed at the end of tfa and someone was like yeah he made that mistake and he said in part three that that was a mistake and they were like you can't make a mistake if you're claiming to be objective it's like what that's fucking retarded what's that what moller if you aren't literally jesus then you need to stop making youtube videos now while you still can i gotta get out before they realize that i actually can make a mistake i i'm legitimately convinced that these people haven't watched your video possibly like like maybe the first post sort of has but like i don't think people have actually watched your video or they watch it and completely completely misinterpret what you're saying i mean i get that impression we go tight and they're not high enough to be avoided from like you just there's jizzle but i'm like oh man you caught me better you go the eric taxon route and you just deliberately lie about the why not one question i mean that's the quintan route the eric taxon one is like fucking ignore context that changes recontextualizes what the thing you're saying is yeah then just make up a bunch of shit we've got a whole selection in fact it's wonderful but um we have so many enemies it's all fun he's moller isn't trying to prove his opinion he's trying to prove that his opinion is the correct one well fucking duh i mean it's on the surface it's like what they think they're saying is i'm trying to prove my feelings a factual for everyone or something it's like that's how does this person type that out how do you type out a sentence that says he's not trying to prove his opinion he's trying to prove that his opinion is the correct one which one how did you type that out and not be like wait if you prove your opinion wouldn't that mean you've proved it's correct like don't you want to prove that his opinion is the correct one don't you want to convince people that your opinion is correct and you can back it up with proof i thought that's the point of like making an argument well there will be youtubers who just want to say that they felt the thing was bad right and then you feel like are you proving that's the true and they go no no but yeah there are youtubers who are trying to say this is poorly constructed and hear all the pieces and this is why and then you go that's just your feelings though that's kind of the crux of my whole intro but my manifesto sorry this is this is kind of interesting this post yeah some of them are like yeah he'll find this you know talk about it you know talk about it it's terrible but we're not allowed to do that anymore like yeah it's like oh if he talks about it like it's some sort of a victory if they talk if they address the things that we said is like really that's where your bar is just being mentioned means that you've scored a victory that's kind of i think all right as high as low as you want kind of hate to say but it's like isn't that just truth that they don't want discussion question mark like i don't know i mean all these people can like they can tweet at you and come into discussions with us and we can talk about it well i think that they would assume we don't want discussion probably i mean i think their egos are so big they don't want to even like even like a small part of their argument be to be proven wrong or maybe or to be challenged at all because smaller have absolutely nothing going on in his life can you believe you devote all this time to your job the nerve uh the best arguments the best um oh yay anthony warren's back in the chat yeah he's anthony warren oh he's the guy that really really hates me i want to read out this kid i want to read this out because he's always funny he thinks i voted for trump i don't i don't i don't exactly know where he got that from but i am the one who voted for trump it's me rams did here's straight here's what he says he says wolf says he voted for bernie but bernie wasn't on the ballot against trump he says he supports trump i i don't remember ever saying that the only election is the presidential election at the end in their yeah yeah it definitely it definitely wasn't the case that i explicitly said i abstained from the general multiple times um he's fun yeah like i i like anthony he's he's just like like a little autistic kid that's just like he says funny things and you're just like oh it's okay okay he's like a movie circle jerk separate it yeah okay he's funny i like him i was gonna keep it up buddy reddit is totally a strong example but there was a guy i was arguing with on twitter who is a consistent person who does not like my videos but it has like i'll say a decent following i'm trying to remain nameless just because discourage the whole go after him thing don't go after paypal but um his argument for against my form of avoiding criticism came down to this and i just want to see what you guys think i make really long videos so that when someone takes a singular quote or a piece of of work out of the video and reference that it's flawed i will say aha you haven't seen the video because there is a quote that's an hour later that completely retextualizes and that validates that point so you're wrong and it came down to i basically asked him i was like are you telling me that you didn't watch the whole video and then claim i made an inaccurate criticism and that i've used the video in question to defend myself and that's not fair question mark like i don't really understand anymore and i think this is where eric is going to go with this defense as well just the whole his videos are so long you can't even criticize them and i'm like i can criticize them so you know like i i actually talked about a bunch of flaws i had in my previous videos in the in the video so i don't do you know what i mean like i'm so confused by this you got anything really they really don't like you no i like how desperate you have to be to be like okay so i watched half of the video and i saw that you said this and you're like oh look at this other quote though is that a defense like no we just have so many really passionate fans they just passionately despise us we've got both ends especially considering those meme videos like it's like it's like that quitting quote i quoted to you today where i was watching that stream that he was on and he was like oh no i'm a really big purify fan i just like talk shit about him all the time because i love him like mollers up 10 000 subs the last month like i think he's he's gonna be okay well no it'll all fall apart as you really realize the truth whatever that guy was talking about the truth of i don't stand for anything and i can't create anything well that's why i said i would i don't think this person's ever actually made a video before because that shit takes work like his fallout review i'm doing that shit's work it is try and make a good one that you're pleased with let's tell you since he released your video let me add these up someone said there's a lot of content creators i like who hate mollers i was talking to fregie the other day and he said that a content creator he really enjoys who makes long form stuff retweeted a tweet saying that you know mollers ridiculously long and just crap videos and don't watch stuff and he was like man he makes people sad and i'm like i'm sorry i can't do anything so in in four days starting at christmas going to the 28th so four days you gained 5 700 subs so i guess people i what a terrible video that's tricking people though that's different now i don't want to don't confuse that with saying because people watch it and sub that it's good but when you add that in with the fact that the video is being very very well received and that people are watching these off the cuff podcast that we do we bring people on and we talk about this kind of thing and people are constantly invited i think that says something now either way that that is basically a good summary of all the criticism i've received for the uh the video alongside a couple of things that people are fair about like uh should the intro be attached and my yeah that seems to be the big thing that pops up it'll well so you know we'll we'll gauge it from chat but everybody wants it to be secondarily released on the the moola channel and i'm i'm okay with that um i can edit it so that it's just the intro and i can call it well we can come up with a tile or whatever but um that doesn't mean that it should have been detached as far as i'm concerned the point is that it's context for the rest of the series which i think is harder to see right now because there's only part one it might be like hey you do have a pretty obvious time stamp that's true there's a skip but yeah would everybody become especially the people in chat because these are the people that probably subscribe to the moola channel would you be comfortable with me re-uploading a shortened version that basically has the intro in the last 20 minutes of part one as a singular video so that it can be shared is is what people have been asking me to do that's basically um that might actually be a good idea because when you tell people hey i really really if they because it does have a little bit of baggage with it um and a lot of people especially new people who don't know anything about the scene of youtube critics and you know objectivity subjectivity they just want to watch the movie criticism i think that would be very useful yeah all right then i shall sort that out um well maybe what you can do is right before you upload part two you upload part one the condensed part one so that they're both out you know at the same time i mean it should be all right because it's on the moola channel so most people won't be okay too upset i don't think all right yeah that'll be pretty good yeah but yeah thank you for the responses in chat i i'll definitely no we don't accept criticisms i've been told so i just want to make sure everyone knows we've we've been getting requests to check out that the last Jedi are stalling balance to the fandom video i don't know if you guys know about that one but uh i saw a bit of it and i was like oof so that's another tlj video obviously but it's covering um how bad it is how fans have responded and a bit about art critique and he does talk about objectivity and subjectivity so uh we will probably cover that video the next time we're covering a tlj one which could be the one after the colonial marine stream you say that like i mean but that's probably true that's probably that's still happening people still happening we tested it and it works it's still happening um yeah i've definitely noticed so you don't have to send it that's on the queue a correction i said the peter quill was abducted in 1981 it's 1988 in the mcu so the the whole thing about gallagher actually makes sense if um that's what i said and then we checked in i was like oh shit that's not right but apparently it was just because it's a difference between the comic continuity and the film continuity i think but i could still be wrong on that but yeah i just wanted to make sure it was said um and apparently the difference between hulk and bruce banner remembering what each other do is something that is in ragnarok specifically like the whole like he was buried into the hulk and he does have a line of dialogue for that apparently i don't know if i'd have to rewatch the films to know like you know who here even remembers the incredible hulk with edward norton like i don't remember what the rules even are for the hulk so the only other thing was uh some people were commenting about how thanos could just make resources is singularly enough to ruin the film like shouldn't that be enough to say that the entire film is ruined um i'd be like maybe plot wise but there's loads of character stuff to consider why everybody's going through arc wise and that's like the lion man and everyone else so the the film itself i suppose i just agree there's complicated to break down if you have something that fundamentally breaks it but end game could fix that you know we kind of need to see that before you could probably judge it definitively but i do agree that's um it would if especially if the film established you could do it it would be a significant problem so the things that i wanted to just um get out oh and someone left a comment saying does morla honestly think that ant man and the wasp infinity war and civil war are well written and i thought that was interesting because i was like oh well that man the wasp is like meh infinity war is like great with loads of flaws and then civil war is yes i think civil war is really well written yeah i think that i mean ant man and the wasp the writing it's funny i think it's it's trying to it's a comedy essentially um in your opinion in my opinion in my opinion it is uh well i'm not gonna say we actually agreed with a lot of the infinity war writing flaws when we were doing that video and a lot of people seem to think that we were like super against the idea that it has flaws like no we agreed with a bunch of them no i'm down for it yeah um we even agreed with cinemas and far far out waste of bad yeah i sounded like an edgy teenager when i talked about aquaman the movie was faithful to the comic don't care had the qualities of an epic fail no yeah i don't i don't particularly care if it's faithful to a comic that i haven't read i mean honestly i think the comic was a bad idea in the first place because who the who cares about a mr fishman i want to find the stingray who killed steve urwin and ask why that's the plot of aquaman that would have been a better plot than the one we got so and this is one the i know rags will have a take on this so so i i got a lot of criticism from a particular person i'll just remain nameless again arguing that i need to take responsibility for the damage that uh kelly marie tran ryan johnson etc have received because people use my videos as reasoning to attack people who help create the film even though it doesn't matter if my video did or did not promote violence what the fuck is that criticism breeds violence yeah i was gonna say like do i need to count to that argument i don't even like it's so ridiculous and they went they were going on for ages about this and they were like everybody has a responsibility to acknowledge the influence they have whether or not they intended it and it's the idea is like it's how can you say that my videos are influencing violence yeah i i wouldn't oh that's true megan fox should be fucking dead wait what did she do no i'm just saying like oh trustful was right everyone was criticizing the transformers movies rightfully so by that logic she should be fucking dead well in fairness in fairness shyla buff did lose his mind he did he did yeah that's not a name i've heard in a while but i i would go on as a his capture the flag streams i'd like to see people's progress i would agree that to a degree that you have like a responsibility but only in the sense that you should oh i would say you don't have a responsibility over what other people to do well over over the actions of other people if you especially if you haven't told them to do anything you know like if if mauler went out and said you everyone watching this video should go out and harass kelly marie tran if he had said that then yeah obviously it'd be a different story but i don't know how many times we have to say that you shouldn't do that before it sinks in like what what do you want us to do exactly like i would i would ask this guy what he wants us to do well he actually said that in nowhere in my videos do i denounce any kind of harassment i was like you don't even watch the streams under you yeah we clearly don't can condone that that's obviously ridiculous until we all agree until we all agree that the last jedi is the best star wars movie well we we just support harassment that's that's how it feels it's like can you at least make a video positive about the film to balance it out it's like what no it would be like a footnote save the cast save them and yeah so say the movie's good this is this is one of the points so it was like people want to use mauler's videos to be considered righteous when attacking ryan johnson for example at that point is mauler not responsible for the hatred these people receive no absolutely not that's that's ridiculous this is where i mean i just i was like how the fuck how is that fair what if someone wrote a book on cooking and someone used it to murder somebody you wrote this like i mean it's that's insane someone made a solid point in the chat if we were used to help harassment then walt disney is responsible for hitler because his films persuaded him into failing his art career there you go let's let's go even further everything is the fault of our common ancestor because not to mention hitler hitler had like a picture of walt disney in his office or something or was the other way around are we responsible for anything isn't it all our parents fault the other ones that brought us here yeah technically enough of this craziness how dare um yeah i think that's about it i'm seeing if there was anything else um but we don't i we've been going for uh 59 minutes but we don't address criticism we haven't even gotten into what we got here to do we've here this is the longest intro i do would happen we had so many memes and points and stuff but yeah okay we couldn't we can totally get into uh into because this is the thing we try and read read as many comments as possible on on efap i'm aware the rag zone wolf check them out too it's just that i don't get to everything and i try and get to the most notable or if there's a selection that i can uh you know you talk about all in one that's the best way to do it but yeah no we don't like criticism we never talk about it there's some uh there's some unsettling super chats i've seen from evil toad someone who claims to uh i don't know i guess be in the bedroom a little whistle to it when you sleep it's like oh right right hear it from under your bed he also said that he makes your pillows oh well that's kind of him that's kind of nice so the video a little disturbing but the video we're supposed to be talking about it's called bad media criticism now i had one run through it when i was playing a video game and i remember finding the a lot of the points were fair and a lot of the points were vague but my perspective could change when really thinking about everything that's said but it's supposed to be a sort of uh review of reviewers in the modern age and what's wrong with them and i i think she tries to sort of draw a history of how this all came together so don't attack this person leave her alone is that what people want us to say because we never condone that shit anyway yeah all right everyone put on your reader response theory helmets helmets we gotta yeah protect you from altered opinions it's like the uh like the helmet that um god who's the old dude in xben patrick steward yeah shut i just gotta call him patrick steward you know the one oh you're talking about cerebro i thought you'd you'd reference the magneto helmet yeah well no i was referencing what was it called against cerebro okay yeah that's what i was talking about i just forgot the name of the helmet see most people think you're talking about magneto you're a bad meme uh well sorry that everyone else forgot that xavier has a helmet too let's keep the helmets juggernaut also has a helmet i realized there's loads of soup chest i need to read but i like do you want us to stop this video or do we take a break for that too i feel like we should probably do it help me through the video or something otherwise we'll never get going yeah we gotta get on track i'm sure there might be a time stamp for when we actually start e fapping but we don't address chris so that's fair enough all right everyone good to go uh yeah yeah excellent hi welcome to my youtube channel my name is detail detective and i'm here to tell you why all your favorite media is terrible in my five part video this i hate her already she has a night veil poster i noticed that wait what's night veil oh is it is it to not be spoken of no i've heard i've i have i've heard of it um he who shall not be named but it's made it's oh man oh yeah and she's totally she's playing a character right now in case the oh she is oh okay okay i got you so is she just don't like design no she's she's gonna she's posing as what we get now which is five parts oh you know i'm i'm gonna give a benefit of the doubt i'll just let this play out you'll you'll get the joke terrible in my five part video this children's show is garbage and here's why part one the plot so in this frame fairy princess sparkle tina's sash is sky blue and in the next shot of her her sash is cerulean shame clearly the animators do not care about thousand to more than 200 000 whoa who did that who how dare you was it me jumped wolf and i didn't do it what i did i've been prince bloody sword when he was a baby oh let me guess because she doesn't want to kill anyone we all know what that means sparkle tina's a fascist fairy princess adventure is officially canceled i agree over so like you get it right like the idea of taking something called fairy princess and analyzing it so deep to the point where you draw political motivations out of it and you take a tiny issue like changing of a small color in a frame of a piece of clothing and you reference that as the reason the animation is fucking dreadful because i agree with both of those points but the funny thing is i think those points apply to people that aren't us not that i'm saying she's directing it to us she doesn't mention us or reference us i'm just saying she's mocking a person called lily orchard who's that oh i i've never heard of him i think it's interesting though what one thing she said um i don't agree that all art is political i think that's nonsense i think that people conflate that with the idea that if you're anal enough you can find anything and somehow attach something political to it i've heard the argument that if you take no stance right the hell retribution was so political if you take no stance in politics that is a stance therefore everything is politics i think i think it's used as a justification i think so too for a lot of people to put politics into things and say well it was political all along or something along those lines but i don't agree that all is political and i'm thinking about doing i would make the argument that some things are intrinsic to humanity irrelevant of politics and you'll be like like what like i don't know breathing oxygen there's nothing political in relation to that apples are not political apples what if policy unless it's an organic apple i'm going to pedant you i'd be like what about a policy to increase gmo's or some crap that affects the apples what about people who are like i don't eat fruit because they're it's evil like what i don't eat apples because that's what made adam and eve be all bad and then we all are damned for some reason red apples exist is there a scenario for communism everything to be made political is like possibly but i just i hate the idea that you can watch a movie and then you're like they didn't say anything political that is a stance like it is i didn't realize uh but yeah you know um the idea that you nitpick polish nitpick media until you pull politics out of it which is what i i think a lot of people do yeah no i agree but i think it's happening when critics criticize critics like you know how we've been told we're alt right all the time like drawn from what and it's like well they watch you are anything else yeah they're really long it looks like when i was on twitter and people would say i'm alt right or and or i support autocracy or ridiculous things like that i'd say could you provide evidence for that and like never can and i was like why where do you even get these things do you remember when we covered movie bob um and he said he was doing a parody of like people criticizing black panther and he took quotes from my video one for one and then he started talking about like political positions in relation to i think it was race i can't remember or migration or immigration sorry um to imply the i may be criticizing black panther but it's a political undertone and if you watch my black panther video there isn't a politic point in there even when even when sin sins went after me for it he didn't actually say i had a like there's nothing political he just thought i got bits in the wrong film wrong well it's so easy nowadays to do the whole oh you criticize this thing well i think that's a political position political well the thing is if you criticize black panther and i believe that black panther is inherently political that means that what you're doing is you're taking an opposing political stance to what in my mind black panther is saying politically which means you hate black people and yeah so i think this problem there are a lot of people who say that this problem exists for critics of critics which is why this is getting very meta but um yeah it's so i don't necessarily agree with uh disagree with her what i'm getting at it depends on who she's aiming it at i don't know what that means sparkle teen is a fascist fairy princess adventure is officially did you see that uh do you guys know about that movie it's going to 39 oh don't worry about it should be fine um the the movie sky something it's about superheroes i forget i came out like 10 years ago sky high is this guy yeah okay there's a guy who made a video recently explaining how sky high is fascist okay and i see everyone's reaction is laughing and it's like i haven't seen the video but i haven't seen that movie since i was like 10 but people who think that starship troopers is fascist so well i mean red light media think that right well here well here's the thing starship troopers is fascist in a very good way it's not ill well is the thing i i've seen the arguments against that and i i actually find i really want the people on both sides to have a really a good discussion about that you know i mean like figure it out because i'd love red light media to think about is it really fascist or not and to reconcile let's just say the additional information about the movie because um i love starship troopers is fucking great it's a bug planet it's a fray i'm just saying so the federation did nothing wrong this is this is absolutely true over the past three years media criticism and video essays have blown up in popularity lindsay ellis's channel went from about five thousand subscribers at the beginning of 2016 to more than half a million now dan olson or folding ideas has gone from about 2000 to more than 200 000 and scores of new video essay channels like me big joel or taylor j williams have started popping up i don't know any personal i know lindsay ellis and folding ideas i don't know the other ones she mentioned but i haven't even i don't even know who lindsay ellis is it gives me a solid check it gives me the impression that her let's call it what would you say like her selection is a little biased in that one of my favorite video essayists well i've got a relatively unknown specific old tv show essayist i got a guy who covers old video games and how they've uh been sort of their legacy and what they meant and then a guy who does gun reviews as video essays then uh er you know i don't even need to explain that are there do i be like this the um the ones i would recommend are completely fucking different while the ones she's just recommended are all like they go out together and hang out regularly and i know you can see that about us but i'm saying like yeah if you said my favorites are more the rags and wolf i'd be like oh he probably watches e-fab like if to me if you're gonna be making a broad criticism or celebration yeah she just listed all the people that would be in a youtube rewind yeah i'm interested in how it seems like she's not really selected from a from a larger group behavior whatever that's not necessarily bad who knows what our arguments are like currently quantity doesn't always equal quality and sadly a lot of what passes itself off as good faith media criticism is not in particular content like cinema sins the nostalgia critic and more recently a lot of multi hour video essays dedicated to certain shows end up doing i haven't done a show yet okay you're right what i don't know if cinema sins is bad faith um he said he sometimes will deliberately lie for a joke does that count as bad faith um i mean it's like if a stand-up comedian makes up a story about their friend to tell a joke i think i i don't know if if you're doing something for comedy you know that's sort of its own thing it's sort of like comedy exists in sort of its own bubble yeah i'm not sure i'd be comfortable in saying that she's uh that cinema sins is bad faith yeah i don't know if i'd say that either i tend to give people the benefit of the doubt you know yeah i think it's called being you know deliberately obtuse you know to you know pretending to be an idiot to sell a joke i've done i've done that a couple times her multi hour thing because some people like is that directed to me i don't think it's directed to me i'm not sure she knows about my channel um she mentioned lily orchard earlier or you guys mentioned in chat that that's who she was uh parodying lily orchard has done multi-hour series of critique on cartoon tv shows so i think that's what she's referencing and nostalgia critic is bad faith yeah i wouldn't i don't think i'd go i'd say that i think i just say bad content maybe i mean but that's a different thing i mean i would say most people who make bad content are doing it in good faith also if people say it is directed to me like it is directed to me what do you want me to do if she's just says it's long i'm like okay arm and they do good i know this is probably pretty ironic coming from the person who likes to make videos complaining about certain tv shows for a living especially because i too like to use attention grabbing titles and thumbnails to encourage people to watch my videos and it's very possible that some of my own videos have fallen into some of the traps that i'm going to talk about here i mean i like to think this stuff i make is you know analytical and good but i'm not discounting the possibility that it isn't always along a similar vein i'm also not saying that the people who create bad media criticism are bad people just the content they create all right you just called people doing things in bad faith though yeah so that's a so that's a character assessment just to clarify bad faith means you did it uh like with to make it simple it's like to be disingenuous or for bad reason yeah you're deliberately dishonest you're doing it with the intention to lie to the person or to to manipulate them or you'll do it yeah what you just said dishonest intentions would be you can't say that people are doing things in bad faith but also i'm not saying they're bad people it would be like if if i broke down a scene and i said i don't know uh jim wanted to do everything to kill this character and then there's this moment in the scene with jim goes i just i don't want to kill this guy i'll do anything to stop it and i just go i'll just leave that out of my analysis it gets in the way like it's ruining my my point so i'm just gonna leave that out and you'd be like well that's not not you're not being you're not being honest then i'd be like you know i'm just doing i think that's probably part of what she's referencing to be honest which i agree with again like this this in concept is fine i think what she's saying because it's all true it's like the people who exist who do bad yeah i think some of them a lot of people in the chat are pointing out what she'd do in with her hands she's using it to explain things good what i primarily want to talk about is bad faith criticism of media and why i think it's ultimately harmful to the in my opinion good idea of analyzing the things we like so first of all how did we get here oh lord no so i saw the phrase brief history i'm gonna take a bathroom break i'll be right back oh it makes sense it does somehow make sense i love how he assumes he saw quint and he's like oh i gotta take a shit wait wait where's quintin oh you guys for some reason i've noticed on e-fab everybody's like three seconds ahead of me oh shit 319 oh no here's the real weird thing mauler i seem to for the first time ever actually be perfectly in sync with you oh excellent your hand movements are justicles that makes total sense i'm just gonna keep posting jared's face now makes me happy oh my god that video with thor jared it was so perfect i guess rags is probably gonna be back in a few seconds i feel like ston up superchats is gonna be pointless he's gonna go on the newspaper well you did you did say last time it goes outside i think was it since it was like you go outside that he was like i'm not gonna shit where i sleep um i wish i had started oh it was a him come on rags you can do it waiting for him to sway loudly is that all coming from rags's mic i have returned excellent rags are you making a cyborg you ready for a brief history of media criticism christus epizetism no sure sure i'd love to hear a brief history of youtube media criticism let's do it it all began with a trip to the zoo oh i love it i actually was recommended that video we're here today yeah really yeah i get recommended a lot of videos from like 10 years ago for some reason some of various films tv shows games and podcasts on youtube are not new in fact they've existed ever since the platform did and if you follow any history of youtube most people will cite the angry video game nerd is one of the first youtube content creators to bring media criticism into the collective consciousness of mainstream was created james roll god damn it did you skip for anybody else just then we're at two minutes 36 seconds right now you're like jumped and i always wonder if it was just me or not i think it's just she's got really weird editing i'm pretty sure that was the video about maybe the collective consciousness of mainstream youtube in 2006 shortly after youtube was created james roll started posting videos where he would play james ralph a really angered bitter guy ran about various video games and this is an interesting case this is a guy who in his early videos was definitely playing a character in these videos the nerd was the butt of the joke the intention was to laugh at this pathetic guy getting overly offended about old video games i would agree though it's not that he didn't highlight genuine issues with these games yeah that doesn't invalidate what the character says i'm not saying she's saying that yeah no that's true we're gonna be very careful with this so yeah what she said is technically true i just want to have the addendum that uh when you'd watch his videos you would get informed as to how these games would or would not uh be shit i'll be the easy way to put it even though he's playing a character but a strange thing started happening people took his reviews seriously they liked him pretty soon ralph started making serious reviews and videos it's so strange that they decide to take him seriously that's crazy but it's almost like this whole time they found a reason to find him serious like you can you can play a character like plinkett plinkett's a character but you can take him seriously because he's saying serious things it's like he makes one he makes one joke and it's like well the whole thing's a joke and it's like no no when he like does a serious breakdown of the characters of the phantom men is i don't think he's joking and it's good to see macaulay colkin out there you know he seems like a nice guy we should get him on yeah oh god macaulay colkin please i can't spell your name your weird fucking name but please please come on to efap with us and please bring some of your meth no i hear he's a really nice guy i mean we you can tell he's a nice guy i've watched the red light media shit that's just fun yeah you can be a methad and a nice guy at the same time this is yeah this is possible yeah doing doing meth is not anti-methad dude Greg Sestero talked with them and they both wore bunny ears for the whole show it was great this is the reasons why you should definitely come on just say also uh Ben Shapiro if you want to come on efap we will humanize your platform no no your platform guys we can't humanize the Jews we know this we need to get that list that manifest of who we can humanize from quintin very soon rolf started making serious reviews of video games and sharing his genuine opinions not only that but other youtubers quickly started was she holding between her fingernails do you think she's she like plucked a fly out of the air and i was just about to say that that would be she's holding a small fly she didn't kill it she didn't kill it it's right there it's struggling yeah so guys make sure you look at her eyes if she glances down and gives it like a glare then we'll know that she's like torturing it she's like slowly painfully squeezing the fly to death oh it's a terrible thing why do you have to make so why couldn't the happy fly be stroked by her people are gonna say that we don't focus on the real crisis or just having fun we're just having some fun z's with whoever this is i don't even i've never i don't know this person never heard of alt-right youtubers mola wolfen rex all right youtubers like a size video for hand gestures hate women literally more than anything else yeah you know it is such a strange hand gesture though it's like she doesn't know what to do with her only that but other youtubers quickly started to imitate his format even going so far as to even going so far as to oh she let it go oh no because it's already been discussed if you haven't seen no no he has never made an interesting video in his life i'm sorry i'm sorry she likes quinton so we're gonna have to put up look you you could see the outline of his you and a brow i won't talk about this too much mainly because it's already been discussed okay if you haven't seen it off he must have just shaved it vast yesterday maybe he he's got a five o'clock shadow on the bridge of his nose i forget which his mouth looks like an elk vagina look look in fairness oh you know rex don't do it don't do it okay space va like oh my god i went to the rocky mountains two years in a row and i saw a lot of elk but i didn't think to myself you know what i kind of want to know is your mistake well that was not a mistake i just it's just a bunch of pictures of dear fucking what did you expect very disappointed um oh god there's here we go nine amazing facts about the vagina from slideshare i mean yeah because number four will shock you number four will shock you did you know that the vagina can expand by up to 200% if they're gonna say 200 meters or something like oh man they grow way bigger than i thought i i like in this video about nine amazing facts about the vagina fact number five is there is a g spot oh god they had it's amazing did quinton write that there is a g spot oh my god it's awesome fact number eight is don't shave your feet yes see the rex check out the post spider milk is better than rhino milk change in my mind i like ghost milk is in the cup uh so yeah we're gonna have to listen to what shape your vagina is the point yes if you haven't seen it already a youtuber named quintin reviews had a very interesting video about the angry video game nerds influence over youtube as a whole and i'll link it below uh well i saw that video he basically just reiterates what everybody already knew which is he came first uh it doesn't want no irate gamer did anyone not know irate i don't think so he's just the most famous abgm clone he just did everything the abgm does but worse and he actually got popular for a bit because of the fact that so few people were reviewing media but then he fell off immediately as soon as like more and more people started popping up and he's just a famous clone and that's basically what quinton covers and it's like okay fine you know i wouldn't i wouldn't say it goes much further than that but apparently she thought it was pretty good so check out a quinton video if you guys want to a year later a similar creator ostensibly playing an angry character doug walker or the nostalgic critic surfaced his videos were similarly focused on getting obscenely mad over nostalgic content the main difference being that he primarily focused on movies once again a similar theme started to surface he initially chose to really separate himself from his character making it clear that the nostalgic critic was a pathetic nerd who got angry over nothing but as his content became more and more popular his i don't i don't think that's a fair characterization of the character even yeah i don't know if nostalgic would agree with that i think he'd be like whoa chill out because he's made videos in the past that i've really liked it's like i i watched his video because we talked about him on on on a efap and i went and saw his um video on uh the oprah win-free space thing um wrinkle in time oh yeah i like that video that he did on it like i i enjoyed it so i i mean i don't know i he doesn't seem like like a as far as the content goes it's fine i'm not sure if you know if she's going for the whole like there's the people are combining the character and taking some jokes seriously and it's ruining media criticism i think that's sort of the root here i can't remember and sometimes people don't really address if they're playing a character or not it's like i don't i don't play a character i'm just me with i'm just me you know that's a dog that's just doing the thing man you know i'm around i'm at home all day you know while the breadwinner is out doing his thing i figure might as well do something why is the video skipping around four minutes and 56 seconds will we like okay we we're styles we critic that's what we were yeah yeah we we were looking at his really really really bad thinning hairline how dare you he actually has shaved his hair now yeah and thank god and advice to men since i was talking about shaving your vagina earlier for you guys for you guys since you can't shave your vagina unless you're married then what you do is you need to when you start going bald just take it off man did you just do that by marrying a female that you own here and that's the ownership over her that's what the bible says that's what the bible says mauler that's the word of god hashtag rags is bad fine fine have your slate do it for you jesus fine well that's another matter i'm just i'm just glad i started shaving my head before it ever got that bad yeah man it's not a bad look i don't think a lot of guys really look better than i expected it to be yeah some there are some people i think guys like kind of look better bold than with whatever they had anyway like i think i look a lot better than i did trying to cover up my thinning hairline i mean that's my beard kind of cancels it off cancels it out rather well it looks like it's you know it people never look at a bald guy and it's like that guy you know he's got a thinning hairline no they're like he just don't have he's hey in fairness if i am ever mocked by a bunch of children for being bald a bunch of bears will come out and maul them so that'll be that'll be nice did i miss some things jig did lauren say that a red apple was communism was that a red apple is this communism no because no because there's no food in communism ah right that's like your wolf so you're saying you're a skinhead yes yes he has skin on his head as we all do yeah that's clear that's only skin i thought you were a real wolf done done oh i must oh yeah he's very obsessed with the whole wolf thing and yet he can't grow hair all over his body thick and furry i can grow everywhere except for my scalp apparently just get a trad flat easy content became more and more popular his videos became more about sharing his genuine thoughts in fact nowadays he hosts content on so that that implies that what his character says aren't his genuine thoughts i think she's gonna draw so sometimes it will be sometimes it won't be i think is gonna be her point she's because if i remember this correctly she shows clips from his genuine thoughts quote unquote and then clips from his nostalgic video for the same movies and they're the same statements yeah i guess it goes into what we said earlier with even if there's a character on screen that someone's playing their thoughts good they that's mean they don't have genuine things to say yeah would you what do you guys think about this nostalgia critic was he good for media criticism or bad overall uh can i just do neutral because i'd never liked his content in the first place the reason i want to say neutrals because i don't know i don't know if if he's had an overall bad effect or a good effect he probably inspired people to make videos the videos that i've seen i've liked so from unless he has like some sort of crazy thing that i'm not aware of i'm gonna say it's been positive because like i'm just trying to get the argument to be like oh he's encouraging nitpicking i'd be like but that's not specifically about it depends it's like yeah i wouldn't necessarily say that's bad at all and you can feel like the way people use the word nitpicking these days yeah so i don't know let's just let's see more from her argument the line between what the character thinks and oh god i'm just seeing doug walker talking while hearing her voice for a second i was like wait why is her voice coming up it's not always a huge leap either he's got a very he he not only has a high pitch voice but he high pitches it deliberately so i'm doug walker i did my balls haven't dropped since i was six i think it's it's a presented thing right so they have so what you're saying is that they have dropped yes that was a long time ago is what you're saying well they dropped then shriveled up and like fell that immediately that's an important footnote yeah i feel um yeah he does the whole like hello i'm the nostalgia critic i remember it so you don't have to it's like the whoa i think quirky yeah it reminds me of like um kids tv presenters sort of things with a like hey everyone let's do it it's like fuck you yeah encourage me to grace on my nerves at times you're blurred until you got a sort of review style that was just an angry guy sharing his genuine negative opinions about media but like with a lot of screaming and swearing and this review style angry man screams about how terrible things are did dominate youtube for a long time tell i mean isn't that what my rages kind of are i mean i as long as the criticisms are good that's fine with me i was about to say i don't think i have a problem with angry man rages that thing because that's entertainment usually i mean that's why we like it being angry rather than neutral and then well you know how i bet most of to be fair i bet most of them were white white was it so deca deca shadow deca shade something i forget the name of the youtuber but he made the video he made on predator when it came out i just empathize them so much because he just gets so fucking angry talking about all the the stupid lore breaks and how stupid the film is and seeing the person get angry you're like yes yes rip it apart like that's what i've been told that when i get angry they like connect with it you know they say wow he really cares about it he's like i generally when i as long as i'm not being hyperbolic and i don't use it so much that people don't know when it's real or not when i get angry i people tend to appreciate that that's just been my feedback yeah i know i just maybe i'm just funny when i'm mad i don't know i think in the case of them being angry or neutral the important part is the accuracy i would say yeah fringy hilarious when he's mad but that's also because he's got an australian accent and they're just naturally funny it's true that's not to say that channels based on thoughtful critiques of various forms of media didn't exist you did have some similar channels who were affiliated with channel awesome that made analytical content i mean lindsay ellis started making videos oh that's lindsay okay i don't i can't speak to nostalgia chicks content back in channels in days i don't remember it i don't remember many people's to be honest yeah i don't know it's weird sometimes she has like really excellent content and then like she forgets how to make good content i've seen good videos and bad videos from her her hobbit videos were really great and i was like oh maybe i should subscribe and then she made like some other video right after that i was like oh let me guess it was women deserve equal rights and you hated it absolutely i knew it an eight albeit not remotely at the same analytical level as for videos today but with a few notable exceptions like beyond the trailer these youtubers were not the ones receiving the most clout rather critics who were the most popular preachers largely into the angry screaming dude mold and aspiring critics mostly imitated them hey i don't know any of it all i don't know there are these people either look look they're all white so they're all the same i recognize grace randolph and lindsay ellis the two that she said they fell away and these guys took the stage of like i don't even i eat you isn't like isn't that grace chick isn't that grace chick known for being really terrible now she's lost everyone's face i i was you know i never knew a lot about it but i saw her solo and i think predator review i can't remember but i remember she like you know genuine this is just my feelings on the matter but she came across very um she was paid to write this review not not paid to give it a good review paid to write it as in she was taken out there given a screening given food and board or whatever and told like yeah here's a here's a slight like the kind of reviewer that makes me feel like here's your special screening we paid for your plane ticket enjoy your fancy water bottle yeah she might absolutely be genuine uh and and i i don't think i've i don't think i thought of reviews were like bad but i've heard that people are less um encouraged like she was celebrating that she got onto rotten tomatoes i kind of see that as like the kiss of death like why do we want to be on there as a reviewer but it's more official i'd be like oh that's interesting that i was on rotten tomatoes i'd be like huh that's that's a thing i mean luckily i wouldn't be able to be going on there because i don't think i've ever given a star rating or a number rating for a movie or a thing or anything i'd be like nope well they your rating is hours of commentary yeah and i'm like this is just bad this film only earned three hours of commentary from moller so that's like a six out of ten um all right youtube's increase in popularity especially in early 2010 saw a notable increase in the diversity of review content this is when a lot of channels who are now household names began to make videos among others cinema sins screen rent route the movie maker and the black nerd began regularly uploading reviews all using different styles and formats some of these worked and some of these did not while the angry screaming dude style of content did continue to be popular we also saw the rise in drunken peasants is in the chat the official drunken peasants channels in the chat that's hello official drunken peasants hi ben i was on there how's it going ben i assume that's bad drunken peasants are you on rotten tomatoes i don't think so and go to your room this is perfect for the charity mode yeah i'd like to wonder if that's ben or if that's billy i'm hoping it's ben pie i would guess ben pie hi he says hi hi hi ben pie we're um we're attacking this innocent youtuber that's what we're currently up to of these did not while the angry screaming dude style of content did continue to be popular we also saw the rise in formats like two or three people sit down and talk about movies unscripted or stylized reviews with original visuals and one particular format that's recently taken the internet by storm is the video essay it's her it's a strange history she sort of said like it starts sort of with avgn and then everyone started doing the ranty thing and then it's a brief history i guess it's a condensed like i could like i could go to the bathroom and like read this and be like okay i have a brief understanding of youtube criticism i'm just trying to say like i think she was trying to draw a through line so it went from angry avgn to people taking him seriously and generating a lot of angry channels that review media and then a bunch of people were born from that that changed the style to not be so angry question mark and then video essays sort of came around i don't really see the connections like i can accept that as a history i just don't honestly i see people sitting in front of webcam i mean it's a big it's a big swath of stuff that covers a lot of things so hard to say exactly who was the first youtube video essayist mainly because the first youtube videos that functioned as formalized essays read out loud over clips from whatever's being reviewed weren't yet calling themselves video essays with that said one of the earliest very popular people to use this format to criticize media was the nerd writer and i agree with that nerd writer is one of the earliest ones i remember doing what that sort of thing is you uh you know the nerd writer right wolf no no oh wait yes i do yeah because i just forget who he is every time i hear his name he's made this is another guy who i've seen some videos from him i'm like that's cool in some reason i'm just like i'm falling asleep okay this is just me and he does he does the super does the essay voice uh he sounds just right i feel is a clone of nerd writer um not to say that he can't do anything good like his clones can be good but um he really feels like he sort of was generated as a result of just right but i guess a lot of people work is just right sort of popularized that could be fine i mean it's often really good for me to get like the same thing like sort of the same thing but like a different person and their different take on it you know a lot of it comes down to personality that's the thing uh someone said you decide you have videos by request if someone requested one of their own videos would you need to have about it so it's it's we take requests we don't necessarily we take requests and moller decides for us yeah like well we usually check them out and we're like oh could this be suitable i mean there's a lot of criteria but like that the tlj ones i've gotten like 40 different ones and we've only covered i think i want to say six maybe seven i'm not sure but um we're not going to cover more because some of them are like tizmy some of them are like major leagues where i would have said that's tizmy but everyone's like please cover it please like okay we could probably get some entertainment out of it if you guys really want to see it sort of thing but then you know you get people making essays about how i'm dropping it down to the specific hour number and then clarifying that i hate tlj more so than i love soma because that that's normal though his first video upload was over seven years ago his initial videos were primarily unscripted blogs where he discussed his thoughts on various issues like Scientology and the iraq war around late 2013 he started transitioning to scripted film reviews still using the facecam format without any supplementary materials to talk about movies like The Hobbit then in May 20 he made a video called the mythic potential of comic book films in which he discussed various comic book movies with visual and auditory accompaniment from that moment on all of his videos began to use this format to massive success the nerd writer now has nearly two and a half million subscribers of far cry from his vlog days another youtube channel every frame of painting began using the same format around the same time yay i actually like every frame of painting i still i would recommend pretty much all of their videos they're another person that's the problem because everyone tried to copy them and it takes more than just i mean i say this basically just repeating what's in my part one video which some of you probably even remember is just that same point i mean he's so copyable we even copied his name exactly we stole it created by two friends taylor ramos and tony joe their first video analyzing the 2009 film mother was posted in april 2014 their the 2009 film mother i'm pretty sure that came out last year was there another called mother let me take a look oh no yeah there's two films called mother yeah two yo yeah the one by um oh the guy um i'll fuck uh june ho bong yeah all i remember is the bong i'm sorry names are hard but he was the guy who he was involved with the uh development of uh getting i want to say that he helped get the snow piercer movie made oh really that's cool yeah so uh he's it's safe to say he's a big wizard or wizard of Oz what was not all really walkie fan we were really walk god i can't speak william wallis fan i think i'm the big william wallis fan too i think he saw i think he found he found a like a bootleg korean translated version of the comic that snow piercer was uh based off of and he got some people together and he did like the story for the film and the opening of the presentation was we need a sequel to willy wanker okay yes yes no piece of it because it it just so happens that the other day i watched a video about that so that's why i know this it's very strange how it just so happened it's to that that's because i know that it's very strange or you're strange you know really walkie is the origin story of snore piercer snore piercer i'm sorry i'm in a i'm in state of mind it's a new dc superhero who's the most he's more powerful the longer he sleeps he snore piercer look after that jared video i just had to yeah yeah blame it on jared yeah yeah he went to jared that's the way music by may these videos focused primarily on the technical elements of filmmaking like different ways to visually portray text messages on screen or how to best use music to portray emotion although their last video was posted in september 2016 and they've officially announced the end to their channel the format popularized by these two channels remains massively successful and every frame of painting still boasts a million do you know i mean they're like up to this point i pretty much entirely agree with her because it's mainly conceptual sure like i think she's making strong enough points she could be more specific but i don't think she's she's not specific enough i think it's fine and a half subscribers despite its two-year long inactivity although it's doubtful that these two channels were the first people to ever create youtube video essays they were some of the most popular in the formats early days from there many channels followed the video essay craze now you see it started his channel and began creating videos in june 2015 lindsay ellis made her first video essay in april 2016 this was when her channel began to grow into the double digits and folding ideas posted history 10 in august about settling i think she means like 10 the double k digits i don't know if like the triple quadruple quintuple sex i think she meant wait is it quintuple or pentuple uh well that depends you should stick you should keep the language the same so if you're gonna go with quadruple you know what you don't want to mix the latin and greek you think i know the difference between latin and greek i assume i assumed i could google it because you're smart what's a smart how dare you i don't i don't know i mean honestly really writes judging people on their intelligence you bigot he has posted his first video essay in august 2016 once again receiving a massive boost in followers most of these essays primarily focused on either the usage of specific filming and editing techniques to achieve certain effects in film overarching trends in several films or things we may not have noticed about specific films like inglorious bastards or phantom of the opera the first really popular video essays that were primarily modern aspects didn't really work were lindsay ellis's again that's not to say she was the first person ever to do it but she was definitely one of the first people to get really she's gonna like explain why she thinks certain people don't work or is she just going to say it well if everyone just goes with it still got a chunk of video left so i still think this is set up i guess true but she's also said this about like someone else i don't remember who it was it was somewhere closer to the beginning of the video where she says some people do when do not work yeah i don't understand why i mean i would say that lindsay ellis doesn't work all the time and i could make arguments for it i just want to know if she's going to well we're kind of waiting for her to make a statement that we can actually respond to and i guess that's what you highlight in right it's like she's sort of saying things that are just definitively true so we can't really do anything well not even all definitively true because some of the people she's mentioned i've never heard of well popular doesn't mean you heard of it right i actually agree with her that nidrite is pretty popular and uh yeah it's just a matter of whether or not we can really comment on to it much yeah we don't i don't think we need to say like define what you mean by popular and then hit her over the head with a frying pan double digits is popular hey triple digits is popular i mean jared just reached like 500 subs he had an interview with a skeleton super star oh jared explaining why certain things were bad have existed since youtube did we have things like cinemasins and the nostalgia critic but this format an analytical one that was presented in the same style as a formalized essay was relatively new once again this or the appearance of a formalized essay which brings me to one video in particular that i want to talk about sherlock is garbage and here's why is a video essay posted in may 2017 by game critic and leftist youtuber h bomber guy so have you any of you guys seen that video no no i have i think it's really good uh i watched sherlock the show up until season three and i wasn't a fan at that point and i feel like his video goes over a lot of why that's happened and the first i think half of it maybe a third of it is him giving a history for what sherlock is and how it came to be in a tv show and the important elements of what sherlock Holmes is a character is and how the show sort of fucks that up and how it fucks it up itself anyway i think it's a good video and this is part of the whole i think each pommel guy is perfectly capable of making good videos it's just sometimes he doesn't and that's the interesting thing is his ds2 one is fucking dreadful and i think she's probably unaware of that or whatever because you know the whole bad faith thing we were talking about he like took matthew matosis out of context deliberately it was like no real way around it i'm glad she pointed out that these youtuber is a leftist i mean i mean it is it is interesting that she said i agree but it's interesting that she pointed that out it is over half of his content is media criticism the other half is responding to anti sjw's so you could say it's a part of his content that he's a leftist yeah i mean he is a leftist because if you if you i mean i was about to say if you were to refer to us you wouldn't use politics like no they do though they say we're alt right so because oftentimes if you're a leftist and you make videos or you make content or you're right or anything it will never be discussed but if you're anything that isn't a leftist often your political opinions will be inserted into descriptions of you whether or not it's even relevant yeah i think that's probably gonna be the only reference to it i don't know if she's gonna go on about that yeah i think it's interesting i wish i have no problem with it at all i think it's interesting that she says it hi it's nearly two hours long and it goes into an exhaustive list of the various problems associated with the popular bbc show surelock i definitely found myself disagreeing with certain aspects of the video but on the whole it's a well researched video that makes several legitimate points about issues with the show even if i don't fully agree with every criticism he mentions i think it's a well made attempt to engage in good faith with the show he dislikes and i don't have anything negative to say about it wouldn't wouldn't that be a negative thing to say oh well i guess if she's saying she doesn't agree rather than he had bad points then that's not negative then again the word negative is used all the time now right these days yeah it's like more criticized tlj which makes him negative it's like oh is that how that works like of course you're gonna respond of course you're gonna respond negatively to a shitty movie i think if people make videos about the room no one says you're a negative yeah right and if is it responding neutrally to just have the natural response or is it because if i go into hate something it's really good and i'm just like i fucking hate it anyway i don't even be a bit negative but it is strange that she would say that cinemasins and um nostalgia critic are in bad faith when you have her also referring to h bomber guy well this is the problem things he does that aren't bad he's definitively at least done one thing that's what i don't think any of us would say is a small issue the whole selling matthew metosis's video is basically being lies about doxels too it's like don't do that and then take it out of context it's like we're we're well versed in that so we even know about it yeah it's like if anyone's bad faith that you've mentioned so far he seems to fit the bill the most well the fact that she's referenced quinton is making a good video you're like mmm well you're not thank you just pumping that on the end there before we get to you yeah the video currently has nearly three million views and just like the angry video game nerd of days of old it's inspired several in the days of old i'm i'm curious no mention of plinkett yeah that's true plinkett i would say is very influential i think so too very like even articles and stuff especially when plinkett made his the last jedi review and a bunch of quite frankly lefties we're all bitching and moaning about it because it talks about how the movie was bad do you see that the article was like this was read let me this test and they failed sort of yeah something like that and they would mention that plank they a lot of these articles mentioned that plinkett kind of got a lot of this ball rolling in terms of film criticism someone's just mentioned yms and assuming they're saying like is influential i agree but do you know that yms is like almost like 90 influenced by red lair media like self-admitted it's for yms his first video is like a one-for-one attempt at being red lair media or one of his earliest ones he like goes he's puts on the plinkett voice sort of it's like number one and then does the problem thing i was like shit this is like literally plinkett but he found his own style and he is the same sort of other people make more yms is yeah he just put one that on hiatus like it was supposed to come out like before this month but it's not coming out to anywhere and i was just like fuck that's what that's your namesake well he's getting there you just gotta get a few more quickies out let me do that first the thing is because i've been called lazy so this potential context to explain exactly why he's taking a while i'm not saying he's lazy to say oh no someone in chat because i really like them i want to chat so he's lazy no you it's okay i love your rights it's okay those are less good as far as i can find the first use of the blank is that a format um i do actually agree with her that people are using that title and as far as i could tell it started with h bomb a guy and it bugs me the and here's why thing that's what i call my april fools video i put and here's why on the end of it it's i don't think but his follow-up three video i don't think that was very well received was it it's well it's for three almost well received yeah oh wait you mean uh in likes to dislikes that's possible that it didn't go down well but from what i remember a lot of people were critically praising it just that uh um let's just say as far as i could tell fallout fans were very upset with the video because i really liked it so that means that how can he say that it's garbage when i liked it yeah i would have to do more digging to know the truth on that one but it is split quite heavily on terms of how many people like to it's just it's the video it's weird it's weird that when we say something is bad people are down our fucking throats but you know well it's because he's being subjective here subjectivity is implied when he says okay he says fallout three is garbage what he's saying is i think fallout three is garbage okay but you see he doesn't have to put it that way because it's subjectivity allows you to get away with anything old it's inspired several copycats those are less good as far as i can find the first bad media criticism garbage in here hey she's getting the god i know but where is this a molar intro we're like over a third of the way through copycats those are less good as far as i can find the first use of the blank is garbage in here to my youtube format originated with h bomber guide the first time he used it was in a video game review although that one actually has more views than his surelock video it was only after the surelock review came out that people really started to imitate this title structure indeed the past year after his surelock video came out has seen dozens of videos imitating both his titling conventions and the actual structure of his content you cannot what is that a stream that wouldn't be copying seven months ago six views six views after seven months six views after seven months how do you have you need a thousand subs to even stream how does he have maybe maybe it's not a stream maybe it's that's a clip in the video and they do it yeah they recorded it and then maybe they uploaded it looks like they have a live chat though yeah well no it says it would have said it would have said streamed seven months ago so that is a reupload okay okay and leave shell and clock alone man they're just playing maraca eight deluxe and discussing more weird stuff on the internet geez shell and clock this almost looks like it might be a joke though so they're playing maraca clearly and they've titled the episode netflix's full male alchemist is garbage and here's why like almost like they that's part of the discussion you know i don't think this is an actual analysis video oh ben pointed out she said came out came out she's canadian canadian canadian canadians now everything makes sense his surelock video came out has seen dozens of videos imitating both his titling conventions and the actual structure of his content to varying degrees of success two of the most popular videos imitating both h bummer guys branding and his content are two videos by a youtuber named lily orchard respectively titled the legend of kora is garbage and here's why and steven have you anyone anyone seen these no i actually now i i had i couldn't think of her off the top of my head but i think i've seen at least half of that kora video but i don't know there's something about it that made me click off and i was really put off by the fact that she disabled ratings oh yeah generally if i see that someone is disabled ratings i won't even watch the video and like i hate i hate kora and the fact that she made a video shitting on kora and just the fact that she disabled ratings it was enough for me to be like i don't want to watch your content really yeah i as someone said is calling is calling something garbage really original and if if i if someone doesn't have enough confidence in their own to to show their own like and dislike on their video then i just i don't have it instantly cuts my investment just i loved eric's attempt to be like it makes sense because otherwise people will have an opinion before even seeing the video it's like i realize that you've just caused that to happen but yeah i i'm not sure about this i need to check out these videos because ultimately i am firmly in the camp of you can clone a channel and be good at the same time as in like i could copy arguably better you because has anyone seen hack fraud media the channel no so it's a channel that's literally like a clone of plinket but the the the point of it is to cover things that plinket isn't covering right now and he's covered rogue one in plinket style and force awakens in plinket style but the idea is that he's covering more of the plot the force awakens because plinket sort of didn't do as much of that i mentioned it in my video it's it's not even half bad and the comments are saying like drop the plinket voice do your own like your content's good enough now that you don't even need to copy him and i find that quite interesting because it's like he is a clone sure but that's not the reason he's bad because he's not bad and so these videos what i'm trying to say is just because they've copied hbomber guy's naming convention and possibly his style is that bad yeah i don't know i don't know if she's saying if it's bad or good and i don't even know if it's if that's the reason why i'm not sure because you know actually to catch myself in a contradiction i said that um just right is essentially a clone of uh what's his name newt writer but i mean if for anybody who's unaware uh just right is a what i would call a bad clone he's inconsistent he's he doesn't even realize his own standards wrap over himself which is supposed to be in my video he go he he um invalidates the purpose of his channel on live streams you could say yes and that's what i'm referring to so you could be a bad clone but it's likely not even to do with the fact that you're a clone it's more to do with the fact that you're a bad clone if you know what i mean yeah be a good clone don't be a good clone if you're gonna be a clone be a good clone yeah i'm a bad clone of lile and rags is a bad clone of um who's that other dog who reviews random things shit i who know i got nothing cynical reviews cj yeah you copied him 100% oh okay all right and i copied uh who's is it plinky people mostly think i'm a clone of um i don't know i some people think you're a clone of hitler hey will ben yeah he's in the random discussions of a debrief i fucking wrote that shit oh man uh the sober noble days that was that was some good shit uh memories christiansen said satan mckittler satan mckittler oh yeah sorry there's some dp memes in me and will uh we might go over rags and double penetration yeah ben we were there both me and mauler we didn't even know each other yet and we were there with the hashtag we were there yeah hashtag we were there there used to be a clone called the random discussions of an inebriated variety oh yes our similar lengths to h bomber guys at times use the same jokes as his and are structured in the exact same way do jokes interesting but i'm not here to criticize those oh there you go she only said it's interesting apparently she's not really saying that's okay all right here to criticize those videos for being ripoffs or whatever nor are these the only videos that i want to talk about here what i want to do is use these videos as well as channels like cinema sins and the nostalgia critic as examples of what happens when good principles like comedy or criticism get so distorted that they end up doing the exact opposite of good faith criticism here we go this should be it then we're through the rabbit hole here we go so now that everyone is on the same page of visa v contacts i'd like to talk about some of the common i'm going to be honest i i don't so i might be proven wrong here but i get the impression that the last 10 minutes weren't necessary um i'm not sure i 100% agree with that i feel because she's done a lot of disclaimers and the point of them are so that we can't ask questions like hey you know like she said something like just because someone's making bad stuff doesn't mean everything they do is bad or that they're a bad person well not all but not all hashtag not all but i feel like like the history i i almost feel like it's filler at this point but we'll see we'll see if features associated with media criticism that is not good oh inauthentic nitpicking that is an interesting interesting fire inauthentic all right let's hear it one interesting thing to note about some of these media critics is that their niche is centered around specific types of movies or shows you have people who focus mainly on animated films people who focus mostly on religious media and people who focus specifically on things that they don't like on its own there's was that a jab because i was expecting to say movies and she said things you don't like it's like oh pull cinemas in watching so what a lot of these bigger channels do is they review whatever is topical at the moment cgi jungle book movie coming out they'll make a video about the original jungle book new adventures movie so yeah this that's something that cinemasans do do but hey you said do do but uh you said a bad word i alt f 10 i'm saving it i'm all are saying do do yeah your channel's do do because your videos are long that's a little exposed video got them ha ha libtard owned so people point to this highlight smallers with facts and reason oh no logic just facts and reason no no no no logic but fax and williams told us the logic was evil do do bilbo baggins oh hey oppa he's in chat appa bend oppa cinemas sins is indiscriminate to the films not just that but he loved the films that he gave sins to that is true appa bend well there's a thing i guess yeah you could say he's he's just covering them he doesn't hate them all i don't even think he hates a lot of them in his defense he says every movie has sins no movie is free of sin or something like that i think so yeah yes so someone highlighted before that he releases like he won't release the infinity war thingy until the hype for endgame starts starting up he capitalizes on on hype and search terms and stuff it's not necessarily bad at all well this is the thing it's like okay so explain to me why that meets the video bad it's like no i'm saying it's like a dishonest way of it's like how is it dishonest you'd be like the thing is that people will point to that and say see he's only doing it because it's popular which means he doesn't really want to do the video so his heart's not in it okay wait so marketing strategy is not his basic market marketing strategy is not a negative towards him as a fucking as as a content creator like that's what you're supposed to do that's the thing if you've made if you've created a video you go when do i release it as soon as it's done or is there a better time it's like well sometimes go for the weekend because you know people will be free to watch it or maybe a particular time of day and you go that's dishonest you're only releasing it then to get more views yeah why are you releasing it at a tuesday at noon or whatever the magic time is i don't i upload videos at four i am i'm a real indie creator disclaimer not to say that she is saying this we are simply exploring the topic yes that's all we're doing it's like why are people reviewing christmas movies in mid december what a bunch of shills but we love her you know her red hair oh yeah and and look you think if you check into a hotel at three in the morning that person behind the desk really wants to fucking be there are you gonna say that her heart's not in it and that she's like her she's not you know come on also if you say this video is called bad media criticism that's actually kind of interesting with the whole subjective objective thing i'd have to ask her if she or or depending or depending on how the video goes it's an ironically appropriate title oh i see what you mean because she's technically we're going meta i like it topical at the moment cgi jungle book movie coming out they'll make a video about the original jungle book new avengers movie coming out they'll talk about something marvel a popular movie is about to be released to netflix we'll talk about that one whatever is currently relevant is what's most likely to generate the most clicks and that's revenue ben he has brought us a proposition we're streaming for 24 hours from noon on new year's eve until noon on new year's day if the efap guy is what come on oh i i can't say that i'll be around but if i am i can i'm pretty much a message to pass along the america is six hours behind me typically i'm going into a friend's house for new years even i'll be back home at like 1 a.m my time and if they do it for 24 hours that probably means i could come on i would probably be able to come on for like a little bit later on but i do have to work that night and i'm eastern standard but yeah i don't i don't know if i'll be home i might be out and about for new years so i can't say shall we just say that we will all attempt to come on if i'm i if i am able i will absolutely go on you bet all right that's um i'll i'll message you on twitter uh ben with the results as in i'll probably contact rags and wolf and see if we can come on together or uh tell you tell you when we can come on i guess if that's good yeah should work out it could be fun we'll talk about how everything is terrible and welcome in 2019 like the shows we are we only talk about things we hate we only talk about the star wars look at this video it's just star wars this girl is star wars it's like god talk about something else once again there's nothing in here and i lost it because i forgot i didn't i forgot you were being sarcastic god damn it i was gonna say her she's more like uh dr who looks like she works again her bed is her bed is like the universe that's your opinion the most revenue once again there's nothing inherently wrong with talking about things that are popular but when your niche is negative reviews and you're pretty much bound to viewing specific movies it no longer becomes about your actual opinion okay you're gonna have to rewind oh that's a statement oh wow let's hear that again folks my gutter hands again to generate the most clicks and thus the most revenue okay once again there's nothing inherently wrong with talking about things that are popular but when your niche is negative reviews and you're pretty much bound to reviewing specific movies it no longer becomes about you giving your actual opinions so i think her point is yeah if you're only gonna be negative and you cover anything that's popular then it's probably not even gonna be about your opinion anymore it's just you trying to generate one that matches that criteria she can be right about this in certain uh perspective in certain areas but it doesn't mean it's not their opinion yeah how do you how do you determine because when like when you say that something is being done in bad faith i tend to give people a benefit of the doubt because that's a character assessment of somebody and there's a reason why i would say somebody's doing something in bad faith similarly this is kind of getting into somebody else's head so unless you see that being made manifest in some work that they do then i would i would wonder why she's well people think she's not wrong uh she's done it as a catchall which is why i think she is wrong she's right in certain circumstances for example cinema sins is like i gotta rip into infinity war i'll watch it and i'll write down every problem i can find and then he does it does that mean he thinks the film is bad i think that's something that a lot of people take from cinema sins but i don't think he's ever said that has he i don't know i can't be sure but i don't he usually just says these are things that went wrong in it and you'd be like well that's not your opinion because you went out in hating us in the first place it's like well no if me rags and wolf were to watch a film we were told to collect all the things that we think were errors that wouldn't then not be our opinion i mean i'm wondering what she's referring to because it is very it's a very broad net she's casting is she talking specifically about cinema sins because i feel like it's kind of being implied here like i said i think in concept she kind of does make some sense the whole your criteria is you have to be negative and it has to be popular things covered therefore it's less about you and more about nailing those checkboxes but the thing is they could still line up with your opinion like so that's not definitive and she's been careful about this throughout this video making disclaimers like i'm not saying this i'm saying this but this one was a bit of a bit of a blanket but fair enough we'll keep things like if you pause the movie at this exact very specific moment you can tell they're using a stunt double so movie bad okay that i feel like is the jump when people highlight there's a stunt double that's fine with me but when they say all of the movie is now bad i'd be like okay that's stupid but has cinema sins done that even ever i i don't i mean he says himself his like little tagline is that no movie is free of sin so he's not saying that every movie ever made is bad because there can something can be found wrong with every movie those things can add up as the super chat highlights i wonder if she has this criticism for i hate everything you know just by they below it yeah i i would be curious who said something along these lines i mean with cinema sins you can kind of tell sometimes like by his tone what what is what he thinks is a bad movie and what he thinks is a decent movie just with problems but i think because he's not personalized like other other reviewers and other channels that people kind of like kind of detached from that and people just they just assume he hates everything like yeah even his in his tone isn't really negative i don't think that like when i listen to cinema sins when i rarely ever do i i don't it he doesn't sound angry he sounds like he's having fun when he's making the video my issue with him is mainly just accuracy i don't really care about the style i find it fine in fact if he was really accurate i'd probably be subscribed to him i could totally see myself enjoying it i just hate listening to him say something and i'm like that's not true and then he moves on to the next thing i'm like yeah like when he says the title is too long or there's no lap dance in this scene i mean most people are like this isn't actually a problem with the movie he's just doing the look he's not he's just making a funny you know another thing he's sort of you know he said like i get things wrong deliberately to make jokes sometimes it's like you're dangerously close to pretending like you never deliberately you never made a mistake because it's all deliberate you know yeah i'm actually you know what we've we've almost opened up the case for criticizing cinema sins is complicated now it's like it's not it is because yeah but i don't think it's because of us i think it's because of kind of how he goes and he kind of lumps it all together it's just one thing after another ding ding ding ding and some are some are fair legit real criticism like real quote unquote real criticisms and some are just like ha no lap dance in the scene but i'm i am curious has he ever said in a cinema sins video this film is bad has he said that anyone ever remember that uh yes in his fourth transformers movie review he very much hated it however i will defend him to the death on that that movie is awful you're gonna defend him on the uh yeah all right i got that's funny this is the thing i i believe he probably would have i'm just curious because he definitely doesn't do it in every review i don't remember well whatever you call them i don't know if people call them reviews or people call them uh would you call them reviews they are videos this is true um they are videos there we go we've nailed it they are videos i i agree they are videos in my but like he said cars three was but there was a cars three there was a car three yeah there was a there was a cars three really it had the jackass army hammer in it i knew there was a cars two but i also knew that nobody really liked it i didn't know they made cars three it is a 70 percent audience score on the tomato site rotten tomatoes the tomato i wish i brought me i wish i could put any amount of trust in rotten tomatoes but they also gave the last Jedi of beaming review i went to audience score and there are 20 oh okay the audience score yeah yeah yeah i was gonna say fuck critics i know i know more trust or less trust uh cinema scenes or rotten tomato sorry because of they are what they are it's a group of people who give their perspective and that gets rounded up to a plus or negative and then those get rounded up into a score like that's all it is so if you know if they say 100 for um uh wolverine their tomato meter is 69 which is fresh but the average review is 6.1 out of 10 so someone said bringing the hugging girl back yeah you see like the american the american education something like whenever you got 100 that was an ape loss and whenever you got like a 70 that was an a plus whenever you uh like 90 to 89 or some shit like that that was that was a b and in the 70s that was 90 to 90 to 89 is those are adjacent numbers 80 to 89 80 to 89 is a b 70 to 79 is a c and uh 60 69 and so on and now they're going like 10 is essentially yeah so how is it so how is something fresh if it has a 69 well it doesn't know it has a 6.1 out of 10 is the average rating that's the that's the average so there are 146 fresh and 65 rotten and that's still certified fresh with a 69 percent because that's the percent of uh the percentage of approved critics um even though the the rating is a 6.1 out of 10 which most people would say is not certified fresh yeah that's that would be a d if we were talking about like a test but the the ad the user the audience score is percentage who rated it 3.5 or higher so they don't use really the same metric for critics as they do for audiences so even though the audience yeah so their audience score is 1 percent above the critics but they rate it as positive only if it's 3.5 or higher and the average rating is barely over 3.5 it's at 3.7 out of 5 so it is what it is trash is what it is they did it okay the way the way they did it okay yeah so all I was gonna say though is I empathize with cinema sins getting the the criticism they pointed out nitpick and then they say film is bad because of nitpicks like they said the same thing you said about me and I'm like I don't do that I just point out the nitpick leave me alone and then some people like well why'd you do it at all it's like because it's about filmmaking I don't I don't care to ignore nitpicks I like highlighting them and talking about why they may have happened and what they do I like talking about movies leave me alone when you're watching a bad movie that shit can pile up and wear you down at this exact very specific moment you can tell they're using a stunt double so movie bad I see no reason to be vague I'm mostly talking about cinema sins here although other okay but Paul I'm never saying that I mean I don't watch most of the stuff that man if he if he did say that that is ridiculous I will agree but I don't think she can show a single time where he said this film is bad because of this stunt double being noticed I don't think that's ever happened this as well but cinema sins is particularly frustrating with this and that's mostly because the channel is extremely popular and it informs how a lot of people look at media I won't talk about this for too long mostly because Lindsay I would kind of say that being anally over critical I think would I think it's better to be anally over critical than to have a really low bar yeah because this is where the conversation evolves to it's like what is the relevance of highlighting a nitpick then if it's not that you're saying the movie's bad because of it and as as Lauren just said it's like if you had a thousand nitpicks maybe that's significant maybe that's like oh that's a lot what are they and are they all are they all indicative of a singular problem like are they all related to bad props or they're all related to bad stunts or they're related to horrible writing I don't know like I'm curious if you got two people and one is just a normal average normie who goes as much as movies and stuff and then you compared that with the same average normie who otherwise is identical except that they consume an immense amount of cinema sins and that kind of informs how they watch movies to a degree I wonder how they would both view movies differently if at all and this I highlighted again this in my video but I stand by this if you do the reverse these people will not complain if you say oh yeah because this tiny thing is good they go oh that's good that's good that they highlighted that that's a cool detail but in reverse it's a nitpick it's like tearing things down it's like criticism in one way is you know criticism is bad praising good yeah it's just like people why can't you just be positive I like feeling good when I watch youtube videos be positive which is why I think we'll agree the position that cinema wins is not better than cinema sins by virtue of being positive that's right it's about accuracy it informs how a lot of people look at media I won't talk about this for too long most films are getting made I mean the guys who made the winter soldier were such big fans of honest trailers that they deliberately designed their movie to be as honest trailer proof as possible which means okay I'm not even sure how to take that what does that mean exactly you're saying so I'm I'm curious if somebody's a huge fan of cinema sins and they want to make their film as cinema sins proof is possible what now this is way too generalized so what this chick is telling me is that a filmmaker took the time to look at criticism and learn how to make a better hollywood film out of that I would imagine if I could advocate for her as best as possible if I channel her I think she'd say they're focusing on the things that aren't important cinema sins go for nitpicks and thus their movies can get worse by focusing on plugging up nitpicks instead of focusing on the important things I think that's probably what she was saying well um oh no go ahead go ahead no I it's just I'm curious that this is almost it kind of smells of you know the what is it the sharp shooter fallacy or something not quite but it's getting there where I'm I'm curious of how many people her doors dirty at the end it's just like if somebody would have said that this is why I don't like white doors because you don't use the handle over time dude I have a white door it is not coveted it simulates why you gotta why you gotta be racist yeah I just we're on white doors um but I just don't like brown on white is you know hold up you fucking cracker sometimes you sometimes you just gotta separate the white doors from the brown doors you gotta separate the brown stain from the white door oh yeah point the point conversation is metaphorical I'm just saying that um what was I saying oh yes I was saying wash your hands inside clean your room and if someone had come out and said if it's like this almost seems cherry-picky because how many people out there are fans of cinemasins who want to create media or who want to create you know movies games anything like that and they go into the mindset of okay if this is covered by cinemasins how do I avoid getting dinged I mean surely there's no way that cinemasins is unknown to filmmakers by and large like surely they know what this massive channel is and the way the Russo brothers know who he is is quite telling it's like I wonder how many people do know of him so I mean I don't forget I think it would be a bigger claim that people don't do it for cinemasins when I think that they do just because you pull up a quote one way I don't that doesn't mean that the quote's going the other way aren't as substantive um because I'm trying to I needed to make a more specific point because it's like honest trailers exist so are they bad and if she says yes I'd be like why they focus on nitpicks okay and these directors have watched it and convinced themselves that they should focus on fixing these nitpicks and it's creating worse movies for it I'd be like okay those statements are relatively okay but you got a lot of proofs to give us through all of them because that's a lot of things to like you got to prove the honest trailers are bad criticism then you've got to prove that their influence is going further than just these two specific directors then you've got to prove the winter soldier is bad as a result of focusing on on and again we haven't really gotten exactly what she's saying yet but I'm just like this is a very complicated line to draw there's a lot of little things you've got to try and complete but because for the record I don't think honest trailers are bad I actually enjoy them I think they're funny so someone said um that Jared's on the other side of the door the rooms are connected that's why the burn is in the same location that's his room through there's a brother and sister they're both competing for youtube channels made I mean the guys who made the winter soldier were such big fans of honest trailers that they deliberately designed their movie to be as honest trailer proof as possible which means we're seeing more and more films where they try to preemptively catch these tiny problems and spend ages agonizing over small details to that isn't something you know you don't know yeah it's almost like it's almost like people should like make airtight stories or something like oh that's crazy right so it's like one you can't prove what you just said the idea that they've slaved over the project try to get rid of the tidy problems but two why is that bad yeah you're essentially saying they ignore bigger issues so that they instead focus all their time and effort on these other things qualify that yeah you'd have to prove that there's a lot of what if the tiny things added up to a big thing and that big thing is crippling the film tiny things do add up to big things yeah ryan it's like bilbo bag and quote that's gotta be tiny things out of the big thing the detriment of the larger story we also see this with sequels and remakes trying to fix plot holes that were never really problems to begin with well if that's the case then yes you're right but if it's not the case then you're wrong there's no examples maybe she referred to roguan a little bit i don't know maybe i can't what can anyone think of a sequel given is there any sequels any offstop everyone's heads outside of rogue one if you count that uh that try to fix a plot hole in its previous film what plot hole did they try to fix oh well i miss this is the thing i'm advocating for your position i don't know if she held it but the whole like oh it's stupid that there's an exhaust port in the death star and then that roguan explains why that's the case um that was that what's not a plot hole but um no i agree let me see uh this is the thing she just said that so maybe she's right if she's referring to roguan um i i can't say either way i'd have to think about it i have to really think live action beauty in the beast i've not heard the wouldn't that that's not necessarily a sequel though if that's just like a an adaption it's a retelling yeah they don't exist in the same yeah universe because they're both the same events i was just gonna say i accept that that might be a valid uh reference for what your you guys are talking about i'm specifically going for a sequel because uh yeah that exists in the same universe sequentially in the same shock nado to terminate i don't know that there's an attempt to fix anything in terminator one from terminator two i can't remember star wars episode nine it hasn't even come out oh yeah everything has to do like how do we how do we unfuck what has been fucked um they already brought back kylo's helmet so it's he's very clearly trying to fix some stuff i i approve of the return of kylo's helmet yeah it's a lesson we have to see his face the better the point of this is me like that you meanie the point of this is me trying to highlight that um can we even come up with examples like i'm struggling to and she said this like it's like common i'm like you're gonna have to give me some examples because i can't even i would love i would love examples yes it's trying to fix plot holes that were never really problems to begin with oftentimes these aren't even real plot holes they're just elements that weren't initially explained to exhaustion like is it like a snake come from in harry potter well no she's an asian woman now awkwardly over explaining every small detail of your world to avoid that there god damn it you where are we pausing for oh well she said she gave an example in harry pot did you guys catch that yeah where did nagini come from and i isn't nagini the snake yeah only now it's like some vietnamese chicken everyone hates it wait so chamber secrets she's talking about is it it i guess like no no that that's the basilisk nagini's like personal snake oh magic is why it came from magic i don't know i don't i don't know if the film maybe she's right in this example there's someone complained where is nagini from and then we're all just like why jenny's know where the snake is from Voldemort has a snake maybe i don't i don't know like we're from like what what's the actual plot hole because not knowing where something's from isn't in and of itself a plot hole it's just a lack of information someone said uh that's that's not the plot hole it's call is she saying that's called a plot hole when it's not oh if that if that's what she's saying then i guess i agree i i don't know someone gave an example ironically from harry potter uh the time turners being destroyed in the fifth movie yeah let's just try and forget that the third one ever happened well that's the thing it's always one of my biggest problems was it's like you have fucking time travel devices this shit should be easy like Rowling was stupid enough to introduce time travel as a mechanic imagine they're all learning about magic and they're like this spell can help like a plant growing oh that's really cool someone comes in it's like by the way when we're gonna learn about the whole time traveling shit and you're like what what what i'd be like excuse fucking me like yeah that's that's a great seven or something you're like why don't you use this before so michiko hamasaki asks why the why do rags and wolf look like the witch king in the mouth of sarin i wonder why don't explain it don't explain it don't explain it it's a plot hole just let him figure it out i don't even know because you're like now i'm in that now i have to figure it out no it's something else rags someone's um realized your vision of snore piercer snore piercer it's explained in the visual novel anyway trying to fix plot holes that were never really problems to begin with oftentimes these aren't even real plot holes they're just elements that weren't initially explained to exhaustion like where did nagini come from in harry potter and the thing is awkwardly over explaining every small detail of your world to avoid that kind of nitpicky criticism doesn't make for very good movies uh i guess i agree in that specific instance it could it depends on how it's done i mean execution is everything yeah we could have a scene where they explain where nagini is from and it could have been cool it could have been interesting i thought the snake was dead or it could be uh the the second the crimes of grindlewald movie that everyone hated and it's like oh maybe you should have maybe you shouldn't have made this i'm just like you know the difference between like let's just say in the harry pot movies um there's a scene where snake walks in the room he's like follow the march where did you get that snake he's like i've always had it it was from my father it was in this closet up until then okay they lose and we're just like well that was awkward this is like every every riddle kept a closet snake but then you can have a tradition you have exposition mixed in with some other shit like that snake kills someone and then he's like stroking it and he's like nagini has been with me since the beginning and say something else i don't know it's it's just like the the act of explaining a thing isn't inherently bad because like this time's where it could be good come on i feel like she would agree with that you know but i guess her point is that focusing on on only those things is not what the film is about so stop doing it i think that's what she's getting for i don't know but generally when the message is stop being analytical well i wonder if she would count snook in all of this you know she's like you don't need to explain snook i'd be like yes you do yeah you kind of do and then it comes down to figuring out whether or not something does need to be explained that there's an argument this is what i mean there's so many general sort of terms that it's just like are you flying over so much conversation about media mullio writing the video for it well i feel like you have to in a way well it's the thing people call this concise and i'm like it's vague though yeah it's vague vegan concise are not the same thing short is not concise necessarily yeah and i'm doing the best i'm giving you as most benefit of the time you know what to be honest we've covered a lot of bad videos on e-fap like i think this is probably one of the better ones right yeah this is this definitely isn't one of the worst it's just not it's just too vague yeah that kind of nitpicky criticism doesn't make for very good movies that's not to say it's all reviewers fault and that the actual creators hold no responsibility in this situation but the increasing popularity of framing nitpicks as well why are they different criticism definitely plays a part in this plays a part i guess i agree with that plays a part i mean yeah it's define nitpick what is well substantiated versus not well substantiated you know it's i think it relies on us to know the difference but the fact is like two critics might very much disagree on that so is there a standard yeah like my dad's the kind of guy who i'll say like i went you know after we saw the last jet i i'm like i mean it looked cool and all but that hyperspace kamikaze fucking changes everything like this breaks so much shit and he is like you're just nitpicking and you know it's just it's just one of those things where like i see this as just insane and then you're friend he's like oh it's just a nitpick you have a friend who like really hates star wars more than you more than anyone he's like do you see that fucking scene we raise raised third toenail was slightly longer than the rest if you'd cut them all at the same time why would it be longer you're just like uh you can get a triple kill on fucking tie fighters the first time she's in a gun turret mix that in with that they talk about that i mean that that would be unusual i guess but you know some of the content they create is to just say that what they're creating is satire i swear some of these people think that real life has like cheat codes and that you can just say literally anything and never have to explain yourself or be held accountable again that's very ironic coming from this very vague video that is that is a little ironic i was about to say so if if if me and rags were to make a joke like um hey you see that editing mistake in last Jedi where someone is here and then they're slightly over here the entire film is bad for that now also we're nazis and then someone says see i got a quote with them saying it and we go we were joking you go oh you just use that to escape criticism you're like well in that instance we were literally joking what do you want us to do if it's true and you can be like cinemasins he says uh there was no lap dance in this scene and that is not a criticism that is just his preference and then you'd be like it was a joke you go oh yeah okay you're satire aren't you you're just a parody professor swan is asking so talking about nitpicks what about dick pics i fully uh endorse and support dick pics send me yours everyone in the chat on discord rags so they fixed the third toenail being too long in the novelization it's an official novel um so that's one side of the scale by the way the other side of which i think she's arguing for right now is the yeah someone makes a bunch of inaccuracies and then they go uh shit i was joking you're like you were joking you're like yep uh i didn't make any mistakes because it was all meant that way and it's like yeah that's that's bad but it's kind of tough to tell the difference if the person is it would have to be contextual it's literally down to like specific examples have you guys seen an increase in using satire as a defense for criticism um and i've i've seen it i've seen in my opinion but satire um i've seen it mocked like it's just satire ha ha ha or i i've seen more people accusing people who are legitimately being satirical as being an earnest you know like when people like er told the fucking nazi joke so that means he's actually a nazi you know like i've seen that more than i've seen people like claiming to use satire when they're being real i've seen it the other way the opposite i seen it been true but that's just what i've seen so i can only go by what i've seen and this thing it's like gonna present some stuff or we're just gonna i because i feel like this video is perfect for people who already agree with the overall statements and they they've just vague enough that i think most people would agree with most of it there's just a bit of bits in between they're like but what about this though and it's like well yeah it's like it but if you're trying to convince an analytical mind or someone who's very skeptical or who just really wants to be convinced i'm not really i mean it's so vague i it's almost like i don't really know what i'm to sin was in satirizing a critic who barely brings attention to movies like but i mean he did say that uh he said publicly that he gets things wrong on purpose to create jokes sometimes and it's like that does sound like a shield no tree don't worry that new video is going to be out on uh new years i tried to get it done before my christmas trip but i i wasn't i didn't think i could do it justice so there you go new years there you'll get a new video for me too i'm doing i'm releasing my audio commentary on tlj that's gonna be funny your audio commentary yeah i did it with alex for the first sort of like celebration for the being a year since the rage video all right unfortunately that'll that'll tie into there'll be like another two hours plus into that into that weird way like i was gonna have to go back and redo his math that's another two and a half hours this proves that he hates the tlj more than he actually hates it he's only hating it for views he releases his videos at christmas for views and that you can just say literally anything and never have to explain yourself or be held accountable if you utter the words it's satire or in my opinion that seems to be what they use it for it's like hey you say i got all these things wrong and i haven't taken this into account and i said things too generally but what you don't understand it's just my opinion so you can't be in my subjective opinion the idea with channels like cinemasins as well as nostalgia critic and similar channels is that these aren't the real opinions of these people they're playing characters who are these annoying guys who nitpick small details you see they tell you you're not really supposed to like them or empathize with them this do they say that you're not supposed to like or empathize i don't know if that's yeah i don't get that i mean i don't know unless they stated outright mate do they there are a lot of assumptions being made here yeah like we're a little lost help us out here because you're like i didn't realize it was just a fact that avg had a nostalgia critic didn't want you to like or empathize with their characters i'd be like what they want you to like the content not like the specific in universe personality of the presenter i don't know it's like it's like uh when bookie does francis you know yeah but i think there's a lot of people who unironically like francis the character you know like in the same way we like luke and star wars the people like i like francis he's such a such a fucking idiot yeah i guess i don't know in the same way you know like there's gotta be people in this chat who are watching avgm because they love that character approaching things you know i don't know this is a weird point this is such a strange thing to say but i think i know why she's saying it like she's gonna lead into um talking about how she's made the statement now that they have made the statement that you shouldn't like or empathize with those people even though those people have the same comments as the real people and thus you would empathize with the real people and thus you kind of should empathize you know it's like it's a bit of a weird draw but i'll let it i'll let it do it first you're not really supposed to like them or empathize with them this is dishonest part of the problem here is that we know for a fact that some of these criticisms these channels put out really are the genuine thoughts of their creators channels like cinema sins and the starter critics also do out-of-character reviews where they just talk about the movies they saw normally and oftentimes the out-of-character criticisms and the in-character criticisms are the same i don't know that that's what is yeah that it doesn't follow that that's a dishonest thing because like technically you could argue i play a character in the rage videos because obviously i'm ranting different i guess but it's scripted so it's like you're feigning that emotion technically and i'd be like technically yes so technically it's a character but i share every criticism that character has yeah a different character can have the same opinion as the real you or another character that doesn't mean they're dishonest if they both say it right it's just amped up to 11 basically yeah i feel like all everyone does that to a degree when you know it's being recorded you use some filters like i better be concise or i better be clear i better be assertive i uh i can be a little bit eccentric you know like it's just small things but not to the point of like literally a different personality just i don't i don't follow also do out-of-character doug walker space was making me laugh character criticisms and the in-character and one thing too is that someone in um someone in the chat said why should we watch angry video game nerd if we do not like that character even villains sometimes are good characters i don't get what i do not get watching something without liking the character well and that's the weird thing she said that they said that i was like i don't think they've ever said that that seems like a weird thing to say and if someone else pointed out it's exaggeration not satire has this nostalgia critic ever said that his work is satire is the nostalgia critic not to say that she said that i'm just curious i don't know maybe maybe someone in channel no normally and oftentimes the out-of-character criticisms and the in-character criticisms are the same sherman from peabody and sherman had a sex change so young did you have a feeling did you have a feeling i had a feeling i don't know zambira comes home to her daughter who is presumably sherman after a sex change it's a joke i was about to say that's a fucking joke obviously that's a joke oh my god they just hate trans people is she now saying that if you make the same joke out of character and in character you're being dishonest i don't even follow the joke from he would have yeah i mean it's like when they sat down for their first viewing you know or their original viewing and he came with it off the top of my head he was like hey that was funny i'll put it in my official review because not 100 percent of people watch both that's redundancy it's not being dishonest and i'll follow on that maybe she'll make a point at the end of this asking me what i think about zambira comes home i think it sucks onto her daughter who's presumably sherman after he got a sex change which let's be honest we all saw that coming again it's like the movement of this guy could be funny it's like they're onto something but they're not talented his career is on the rise let's see if we can put a stop to that by casting him as someone who's supposed to move funny but instead moves like a oh god is she like she's putting all this norma the north footage up here like this is supposed to be like like proving that the nostalgia critic is a parent is a bad reviewer but normal and north it's not a movie you want to well you say let's let's let's uh reverse engineer this you've got um he is making the same point as his real life counterpart assuming because again we have to assume that the character is fake or the character shouldn't be taken seriously or shouldn't be liked i guess and that is an example of i assume she's saying dishonesty or some something which is again sort of jumping from bad media criticism that is bad media criticism yeah like how could it be satire if you said it in real life there's so many things along that trail that i don't follow along with yeah i totally disagree that it is dishonest for someone to say things twice as two different characters so dla graphical said i think the point is they claim that they are being satire through their characters and their criticisms aren't genuine so it's contradictory when they say the same thing in both personas i want to agree with that point but i don't think that's what they are doing i think cinemasins has done that i don't think abn and nostalgia critic have though i mean if i watch something the first time and i'm making a joke about it which is kind of what satire is making a joke about thing you know then if i make that as a joke later on also then that matches up with what satire is in a loose sense i also i just realized i just don't really agree this is the same point that was made by film bob against an art movie bob i have to clarify that film bob's a different business film bob against cinemasins said cinemasins claims his work shouldn't be taken seriously as satire and then he showed examples of how his very serious criticism as a person is reflected into his work so how he's supposed to know the difference which i agree with as a point i don't know that why wouldn't she just show us an example of nostalgia critic saying don't take nostalgia critic seriously it's not real criticism or something like that don't prove your point that's the part that's missing here but even still she showed us jokes like that's not really i don't think that helps because if you say like you take you take character a seriously you take character b not seriously and both of them make a joke does that mean it would be more it would be something else if they took the same facet of the movie and each character praised it for opposite reasons like one said this thing's good because of the reason and the other says it's bad because of the reason instead of them both agreeing on what is essentially an obvious joke and uh the reviewer's block said uh Doug Walker said that nostalgia critic is a hyperbolic version of his views and opinions which i would understand that yeah like that's that matches up with exaggeration is not satire you know well it can be but you know it's it's not just because it's exaggerated doesn't mean that it's like dishonest or even that it's necessarily a character it's just a strain i don't even if even if they're supposed to be satirizing an insane critic right that's the joke it doesn't mean they can't actually have legitimate criticisms in and amongst other ones if that's the claim then it would still be valid for them to have used credit criticisms they actually saw as their normal persona if you will yeah like this is a very complicated uh topic to be honest he's like if they sit down and they find something that's a legit flaw with the movie on their first viewing and then after they make their you know edited proper video on it and then they release the first viewing footage that wouldn't be a problem that's be like oh that's where he first had the idea well all of this is in response to the idea that you use satirist satire as a shield against errors slash hyper hyperboli so um is that what's happening in this scenario and uh is she assuming that he actually believes that in universe this character is a trans version of another character i think that was a bad example because that's clearly a joke yeah it's clearly a joke this one where he's running fast and it looks awful because he says that and then he sort of says that as the nostalgia critic is sort of more criticism than joke i still don't really get the point this is i'm just gonna let it continue because i don't 100 follow move funny but instead moves like a sped up inflatable outside of a car rental cinema sins also often puts out nitpicks that are unresearched and factually wrong it's see that's bad yeah and i agree i don't even really care if it's satire if you deliver it as just bad information like if it's not even a joke it's just you saying like this thing doesn't make sense you know yes well i i agree being objective is important what yeah and typically i just say accurate like accuracy is the one like a sped up inflatable outside of a car rental cinema sins also often puts out nitpicks that are unresearched and factually wrong it's not a stretch to understand why this is bad media criticism the excuse they employ here is oh we put them in on purpose so people can correct us yeah see i feel like that's just kind of silly yeah i don't i don't know if i buy that um as for us being wrong on sins at least 50 of the time we did it on purpose like with watchmen we had the mars smiley comment the lennard cohen joke the misspelling fewer as fruer etc we call these intentionally ignorant sins i even tweeted the night before the watchmen video about it hinting at a few such sins almost every video has at least one of these well that's almost like uh is it really me fucking up or is it just me doing that intentionally to keep you on your toe is like okay that sounds really convenient for whenever he it sounds excuse yeah it's not a plot hole but it is a contriven yeah i'm just the 50 percent it's like so we'll forever wonder if you really didn't or did make a mistake okay so 50 so there's a one so it's flipping a coin on every sin that you have essentially yeah okay this is true that's not good satire imagine if the onions sometimes published real stories and sometimes published fake stories and just didn't tell you which was which and then imagine if real news sites saw how popular they were and started to copy them it would be bad basically these channels um i agree with the point she's making but wait i'm because it would be bad bad in what way morally it's like possibly agree with that bad for entertainment not necessarily uh it would be bad at the dissemination of accurate information and yeah i agree with that too but again the onion is a satire yeah right now so could we criticize them for putting out bad information he's like well no because they they satire and like right so there is a place for satire we agree on that um we don't want news outlets that are credible putting out uh stupid stories just because it gets clicks even though we're kind of already there because i mean the onion kind of hides behind satire uh when people criticize it so um yeah yeah it's these are all extremely interesting conversations and they sort of just like boom boom boom and it's like uh okay girls want their opinions to be taken seriously but they also also i can't help but remember quintons satire or his attempted satire yeah yeah did you ever get to see that uh lauren yeah um he made a video parody of me but he took it down after i think a couple days oh my god i wish i'd have seen that i've got it i'm gonna be talking about it and the problem for quinton is he doesn't he doesn't realize that he's popular enough that nothing will escape as long as he releases it like which he does a lot of by the way he does a lot of like removing the thing he did uh but yeah he took it down because so many people were asking about the fuck he was doing they were like how is this a it was a 10 minute video for start how is it a parody of me like that's just yeah like he wants the freedom to be an asshole but he doesn't want the repercussions yeah the that goes with it like i i once i found a place that had a mirror of the pewdiepie t-series thing of him i save that shit so fast so if you need a copy hit a hit a brother and you're still looking for somebody who has a copy of monday matt's tlj video right or yes if any if anybody has a copy of monday matt's the last jedi video that he deleted let me know message me on discord rags hashtag 3000 let me know there you go folks i feel like nobody's got that video because nobody would download a monday matt video well you'd have to go to monday matt's channel and that's just a little too much that's already too much it's not on there though it's been deleted so no you say like what he first put it up tell you why would anyone downloaded it like i i i didn't even hear about it until mauler told me about it after it it satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken for and contribute to that which it intends to criticize do you agree with our statement say one more time satire requires a clarity of is on screen for me but i don't know for this view satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken for fucking hell satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken for and contribute to that which it intends to criticize um i i'd have to think you see this but i'd have to think requires clarity of purpose like it has to be now i mean you can have you can be satirical and all them and make a point that's the thing but what about subtlety like when you get subtle satire does that not have clarity of purpose if it's subtle and target i don't a target like like an age group or a demographic this is the scenario convenience store scenario is uh there's there's a youtuber who just says everything is overtly racist i'm not even going for anybody here i'm literally just trying to make up a scenario so don't think i and then you go no one after me clearly and then you go okay okay i'm going to make a video parodying this person and then you copy their voice you use the same kind of style and you just go for shrek and you explain how shrek is racist and then everyone enjoys the video that's on their fan base and says you're great and you're like oh shit i just added to the issue i'm trying to expose my video was satire and everyone's just like oh but it was i liked it though and like oh shit well i guess it's because i guess it's because that's why i said execution is so important because that's why quintin can't do satire um but yeah other people can't and that's why you have you know like spaceballs and things like that are there um um i i don't know it's it's so it's so individual like i don't i don't know if there's any here's the thing i would imagine that there's no blanket sort of stuff you can cast over satire it depends on what you're trying to satirize yeah like if we think of i think the easiest one to say for the most relatable right now would just be politics so some you know frogs again you have somebody satirize alex jones and they dress up the same way something then they should go they're making the oxygen die and everyone's like oh he's going for alex jones i get it or they go this guy's actually nuts people actually listen to this it's embarrassing arguably that's what my gadelb video was it's got positive ratings and all the comments like in favor if anyone saw that out of context if you're like what the fuck is this but it's i i don't i would like this is its own thing but i think that because sat it's like when you copy something satire is so dependent on what it is attempting to satirize that it's like a case by case thing um and if you satirize something like the problem with quinton is that he tried to satirize you but he did it in a way that people like people agreed with what was supposed to be satire well and they appreciated it it's the like i said there's comments saying like thank god somebody's criticizing citizen kane it's like uh oh and then it was there's comments like who is this targeting at because i can tell it satire but i don't know who it is it's like oof these are like the two biggest failures of satire i could have um in other news this girl caught another fly this way this is okay because she let one go as well if me and rags were tasked with making a fucking video on satire i feel like it would be at least an hour long and it's like it's just been so briefly covered and there's a big statement here about how it works and it's just like is that how it works yeah like if if somebody didn't know anything about satire and you said satire requires a clarity of purpose and a target less to be mistaken for and contribute to that which it tends to criticize is that really going to help someone make satire what about this scenario 100 people out of 100 people don't understand your video is satire it's just like it must have failed what about 100 people out of 10 billion didn't understand it it's like oh well then suddenly i think it probably did work so the clarity of purpose is almost subjective it depends on what the person is able to understand and how much information they have yeah how many people out of 100 have to be offended by something before it's too offensive that's yeah that's another great example and this this is why this is very complicated and i i agree with here that using satire as a shield from criticism is not good however uh i'm not sure i agree with this statement on satire it depends on it depends on the kind of criticism and she's saying like you know cinema sins are by claiming they satire even if they're correct even if they are satire they're contributing to the problem that's i think that's what your position is well it's like if you make satire and people understand it satire but the satire is actually correct and it isn't satirizing anything really even though it's trying to then it would be an appropriate criticism to point that out and you can't use satire as a defense because that is what's being criticized yeah i think like a thing i think isn't a defense for itself it's wasn't your april fool's video is going to be what big satire right it's like no i will only post serious videos on april fool's day 100 percent it's all the other ones that are satire the rest of my career is satire stories and sometimes published fake stories and just didn't tell you which was which and then imagine if real news sites saw how popular they were and started to copy them it would be a real site they'll suck it's interesting she said real you say yeah because that's that's one of all that's one of our bingo things you know genuine real and actual those words well i it's interesting too because when alex jones got you know deep platformed which i vehemently disagree by the way um then you know people would bring up well wait a second how many times the cnn has to have to tell blatant you know terrible lies before you know it's like how many lies do you have to tell how many people do you have to offend you know what's the line that we cross is it just going to be random people we don't like i mean look at patreon it's clearly subjective yeah man like yeah i feel like this news from cnn i like to listen to wolf blitzer babble on did you guys wolf blitzer was in which impossible fallout what please tell me was like was he like shot or something i need to see that because i hear it's a really good action oh yeah no we should definitely check it out uh so watch tonight when i get back from this uh thing i'm the shindig i'm going to later yeah yeah i shall yeah maybe maybe maybe seen it i got i'm seeing how long have you got by the way i have to go in about 30 minutes or so let's try and we'll try and we'll try and shut this up and then imagine if real news sites saw how popular they were and started to copy them it would be bad basically these channels want their opinions to be taken seriously but they also don't want to be held accountable for any mistakes they make i would i would let me that very criticism with the different context it would be the opinion thing they want to be taken seriously but every time they realize oh they're presented with informations completely counter to them they'll be like uh my subjective opinion is like i i agree that you i agree with the idea that you can't just say oh satire as you're get out of jail free card to everything but like i who are we talking about here i guess cinemasins and nostalgia critic and abg and maybe i think oh but she hasn't convinced me for a nostalgia critic no she doesn't convince me for anybody but cinemasins but i'm not even convinced cause damage that's even what he does yeah i'm not convinced i'm on the side that he actually has helped because as i said before i would prefer that people were anally over critical then lowered their standards sure would you would you learn a wolf would you agree with us daemon uh i think they're i do you like anal well see because from my view it seems like hollywood movies like big ones have only gotten worse so but like not because of like criticism just because i think it's the the adverse adverse reaction to criticism i think because of it like there's so many critics like people like because you see how people how some certain filmmakers act as soon as someone comes out with a video that gets a lot of views criticizing your movie they're like oh fuck this just some asshole dude bro fuck face like our movie made money like what the fuck what the fuck does he know it seems like they they oh it just seems like they there's like it is like so there's an adverse reaction to instead of just like listening to it because you know i mean i mean it's a little black and white but you see how the russo brothers they they looked at criticism and they were like okay let's just let's try to apply that uh to our films and then but you know you see the oh right you see the director what was it that stupid kinkong movie that came out with tom hiddleston they're really bad oh skull island yeah yeah yeah the director of that movie went off on suicide okay i liked that movie i did not like that movie i i i liked it because i went in i definitely know that there's a lot of things wrong i liked it because i liked like the monster fights and like the creatures the critters on the island like the island felt dangerous and that's essentially was my big thing i like how the giant squid could fit into really shallow water you don't know how shallow it was listen um maybe maybe there was like uh i got nothing i'd like to remind everybody that the members of efab never disagree on anything it's a secret yes we do never disagree yes we do yeah rags do we need to do we need to bring up that hell blade debate again it wasn't a debate i will get my elevator music a debate implied you had a chance and that would imply that you had an argument to begin with my mask is better than your mask rags can see out of his if it is that's true well look you got stabbed in the face by a woman all you are at the back no and then the face she just like a it's just like a fucking woman to stab you in the back when you're out on a battle okay that's what they do that's just like hobbits too that's just like a hobbit to stab you in the back are you racist against hobbits no i'm just pointing out that's not all stereotypes are untrue maybe there's a reason everybody refers to hobbits as backstabbers maybe i'm not saying not saying anything i'm saying that's a maybe maybe a little rowish thieves living in holes in the ground hey look just because they're called burglars by old dudes with really big sticks doesn't mean that they're all burglars they literally without bilbo's consent without bilbo's consent they went into his house and they stole his furniture they didn't steal his furniture they stole all his food that's no no at the end the auction at the end he comes back and they're auctioning off all of his shit oh you're talking about the other hobbits yes the yes the oh exactly yeah but it's okay if they do it to each other that look not a frodo do it yeah i mean he wasn't born yet but he still didn't do it that's true yeah what's your problem with Frodo huh what's your problem with Frodo because he um he wears a ring and he's not even married hey he had something going with sam yeah i was gonna say you gave gay hobbits gobbits that was a real hero okay that's objectively true yeah i agree so anyway this is a video we were supposed to cover i think oh yeah that's right right now how popular they were and started to copy them on hobbit bad basically these channels want their opinions to be taken seriously but they also don't want to be held accountable for any mistakes they make so instead of getting either real criticism with well-substantiated points or real funny satire where someone fully commits to the character of unlikeable nerd to make a point about media criticism you get this awkward in between stage from these kinds of channels their points are presented with enough legitimacy that people in the comments do take their opinions seriously but they're filled with enough inconsistencies that the actual because some of their opinions are right i was about to say this is that's the thing in the scenario that the person she's highlighting does all the things she's saying they do as in they get everything wrong and they just try to avoid both of us like yes you are right then your criticism is fine but you're treating this like it applies to loads of people when it's all very specific examples you need loads of evidence you kind of just like say i was rude at everything some of what cinema sins does is satire yeah there's no denying it i'm afraid i mean yeah that's i it's not an excuse for every criticism it is an excuse for some because he'll have moments where he highlights a thing that you can he's like explaining it like it's a definitive contradiction then you'll just be like but what about this other thing and you're like well i guess he fucked that up okay so i wonder how many people you know watch cinema sins and go what if i was cinema sins but like i really took it serious yeah which is a good thing to be honest yeah absolutely and then you could have someone being like what if i was cinema sins but i went heavy in the satire i went i got things deliberately wrong completely there was no accurate point i made and it's just for the fun of it but you know just judging films by standards that aren't applicable like uh bogus don't exist so shrek makes no sense stuff like that content is pretty bad and because their opinions are taken seriously their criticism style goes on to affect the way movies are made just to be clear i'm not claiming that cinema sins or the yeah for one we don't even know that that's true we can only just guess and to what degree we don't even know we just have to guess and then is it good or bad it's like we don't even know we have to guess it's like yeah you would have to establish that films are worse directly because of these channels and i would and if we're going off of our gut feelings or assumptions i would assume that films like or channels like cinema sins make films better instead of worse because if you're a fan of cinema sins you don't want to get dinged that's not a good thing so you would attempt to avoid that and make more computer stories depending on his particular ding because i mean i'm always up for more lap dances yeah it's true even let's get some male lap dances in there why not you know why not i'm in there uh well i've been i've been there mails do okay nostalgia critic are like single-handedly responsible for any particular movies being bad if any one person were able to ruin movies i would be genuinely impressed but i do think the content these people are hate and their popularity is a contributing factor all in all do we agree that it's a contributing factor to the detriment of films to the detriment and to the popularity does have an influence on well influence but i think that's where i'm to the detriment i don't know yeah i agree that they will be influential in some way shape or form fine but yeah obviously when people find out something it means more than if you know Jared does i mean i think at this point she probably would throw me in with cinema sins she'd probably be like the mole guy he's ruining films too and i should be like just show me the correlation please just show it just somehow connect it someone in the chat said she's got hands like a fly graveyard media criticism but the flies go early does not care about whether the core of a movie or show is good or bad and only focuses on inconsequential details isn't particularly useful yeah but who's doing that useful useful well what's that's another problem i want to i want to rewind a bit i want to rewind a bit you know i just tried to like do that hand motion where she had one hand in the other and just moved him around randomly it's actually profoundly uncomfortable and i don't know what she did that for really useful and this is more likely to happen when you built a niche around creating a negative review of whatever's possible finally the reason this is bad is because this nitpicking becomes so popular that it bleeds into real life and into how real movies end up getting made whether the i i but how is that bad again you have to establish that it's bad you can't just assert that it's bad but i don't even i want to see the connection too like once she proves this battle good well i don't even think she can prove that it's battle good until she proves that this connection you got about you know nine and a half minutes left and i won't be around for oh exactly nine and a half minutes well look at me but um if there is i mean i have to tell me when i get back or let me know on discord later if they do but i do not like this painting charlie it's smug or mux me um yeah the the point is you have to you can't assert that um no you you can't assert it but i won't believe you yeah there's she's not substantiating it and i feel like it's just going to appeal to the people who already agreed with our statement anyway yeah this is the fault of the youtubers the viewers the filmmakers or a little bit of each is a difficult question to answer but either way you already that's not made in good faith is a great starting point yeah how can i pause no so it's not really a stretch to understand why the former category is bad i mean deciding before you even go see a movie that you have to actively find things to hate about it is just never going to make for fair or nuanced criticism what did you want to pause for it it kept going for me was it supposed for you guys it was for a moment it just jumped 13 seconds forward god damn it i just so what we'll do what we'll do is we'll yeah 1619 is a little we were at 1650 okay i don't know where we were so i will put it at 1650 i'll put it at 1650 all right um and now she's swatting a fly no she could be she we it's a still she could be beckoning the fly into the war she could be inviting the fly tubers the viewers the filmmakers or a little bit of each is a difficult question to answer but either way criticism that's not already answered it is a great starting point unconstructive misinformation wouldn't that just be okay misinformation yeah he was gonna say we don't even eat the unconstructive at that point all right let's check it out so is this such a thing as constructive misinformation you could lie to somebody to get them do something positive i don't know i mean it's possible i mean now maybe you could say that a comforting lie is a white lie yeah i told you your mom had age to motivate you it's not a bad thing it was constructive misinformation a great starting point so it's not really a stretch to understand why the former category is bad i mean deciding before you really see a movie that you have to actively find things to hate about it is just never going to make for fair and nuanced criticism i don't agree with that it could result in fair and nuanced criticism it could yeah because how you know people are finding things to hate and it just doesn't fucking hit them here's the thing if you mention it then a finding is implied it just because if you if you're talking about it obviously you've identified well i wonder what cinemasense would have to say about this they're like dude your videos are terrible because you search for problems you don't just report problems that are found you'd be like how would i how would i have problems to present if i didn't find them find them yeah that's what i'm getting at here is like you have to find it to talk about it and you'd be like yeah but it's dishonest because you're looking for problems it's like who cares like you're not supposed to look how do you separate between of um something that's wrong that's found like organically or manually because if you plan on seeing if you plan on seeing something you have to find something like wrong with it to see if well should see it or not this kind of smacks this really this argument she's making here really makes me think about the only criticism it's when you talk about how bad a movie is like you're supposed to go into a movie to enjoy it mm-hmm you know if you enjoy it and say it's good that's way better than saying that it's bad it's like i feel like the goal here is that you're supposed to enjoy it first and foremost you're not supposed to be critical that's that's what i get from this i don't know that's what she's saying yeah that's what i'm getting yeah that's what i'm getting from it i think that she should be the main star in the lord of the flies remake she is the lord of she is the lord of the flies you decide one level die i'm not calling one fly to rule them all i'm not calling her satan i'm just saying yeah yeah just saying she she's committing the fly holocaust in this video she she's taking all the flies to all swats no nice picture i'm thinking about that for a while the handle is chiddling all swans no it's no don't don't worry about it but there are a lot of instances of problem a swat hitler criticism where the critic really is expressing a strongly held opinion of theirs for example you have lily orchard's respective videos about steven universe and the legend of kora being garbage this isn't a channel that just means videos about whatever new movie will generate the most clicks it seems like she only talks about things that she genuinely cares about and it's clear from watching even five seconds of her steven universe video that she feels very strongly about this particular show sugar you are such a fucking oh jesus i am now i'm i'm now viscerally reminded of why i never finished her kora video so monolium i don't really care if they i really the accuracy of the criticisms is what's really paramount yeah we don't care if they're a clone if well i was gonna say we don't care if they're satire it's like i guess a part of satire could be that you're a inaccurate deliberately to satirize the person that's inaccurate this is like i said it's complicated just doing it for just doing it for clicks isn't inherently bad but if a lot of the times if you just do it for the clicks and your heart isn't in it that could lead to issues with accuracy and if you're getting the information right and if you're researching enough and it's clear from watching even five oh she called every trump supporter on nazi in the court she what i did i did i don't think i got to that point unless i just genuinely don't remember even you're hearing it like i said i never watched the video finished this particular show sugar you are such a fucking creep Jesus christ rebecca are you on fucking ambient do i think rebecca sugar is a fascist sympathizer no do i blame anybody who comes to the conclusion that she is based on steven universe's content no now i'm going to use this lily orchard video as a case study that's the voice of lily orchard yes lily god it sounds like that other transgender dude we watched the other day mauler reilly no reilly sounds kind of feminine no no no no reilly no no what's reilly i thought yo i mean no no there was a there's a video like a really small video who's a fan of eric uh who made a video on yeah he tried to say that my my video on shadow of war was racist because i made a we was kang's joke and that he was like i'm a great uh a big fan of the lord of the rings and then like spouts a bunch of really really i don't remember it's damn he just started saying a bunch of really profoundly inaccurate shit about the lord of the rings and i was like there's no way you are a lord of the rings fan but he was the video was so bad that it's just not even worth covering on efap well but well i'll get you the link in a sec right i know you'll be curious there you go um but yeah we know we did actually check it out and we it was it was vetted for efap and it just it's not going to work is to um the first the first little 12 minutes are just sort of middling ran rambling i mean he he doesn't actually get to the point until 21 minutes you know and then at that point it's just like i just don't even want to keep watching anymore shit what do we skip so far as if you're going to talk about it for example a substantial chunk of her video is dedicated to criticizing the fact that steven universe goes on extremely long hiatus is punctuated with large bursts of episodes all at once which makes the show's pacing awkward in and of itself this is a perfectly good point and it's a valid reason to not enjoy watching the show then lily turns around and blames this on the show's animators and storyboarders claiming that this is somehow emblematic of their laziness but this is just factually incorrect the show's crew has repeatedly stated that they have no control over the scheduling of their show and that those decisions are entirely up to the network i think that i wouldn't say that i wouldn't say that makes it a fact necessarily but that that definitely is evidence for the art yeah no so that's that's a pretty reasonable response to that yeah that's reasonable and this seems to be something she's passionate about in reverse she seems to be interested because the fact that she was so specific with this implies to me that she knows a bit about this already and that's why she's like this could be the the reason she made this video like some of this stuff was like okay i've definitely got a point here i just want to add you know context for all of it and use some other examples probably like yeah no that was thumbs up this video regularly performs these kinds of factually incorrect overextensions okay saying regularly and you only got one example is is something that i get a lot someone's like one example of you getting a thing wrong your video is all this i'm like god imagine if she watched er's video on the steven universe probably break her brain so someone just said as someone who hates lily with a burning passion of a thousand stars this video is not a good critique of his work i wouldn't have said that myself because i haven't seen the lilies video but so far this is wait i don't know who's is it her or he i don't know i figure it out like like legitimately i i don't know which way they're trying to go here we just say they because like i'm not i'm not trying to be like insulting or mean me is like i legitimately and i tend to give people like that who i don't see now that you said what do you mean people like that i mean trans people you fuck transition i i i just get a call it a he because it sounds and looks like a he sure will you sound look like a freaking person not a not a wolf inside a mouth of sorrow and outfits what's that about wolf you see i get called transphobic but i in earnest want to know like i call i get i call riley is she don't fucking give me that transphobic bullshit if i call riley is she the most insufferable cunt in the universe see i don't know i even really want to be called a she yeah i mean i mean he she i i'm he identifies as like non-binary and a girl so it doesn't make any sense i'm so transfused right listen i even have enough respect for riley to call her a cunt same um where were we yeah this this is uh as criticism of lily's video i wouldn't even know i haven't been shown enough that's what that's one what i would say incomplete criticism but it has enough argumentation for me to believe that there's more to the story than lily suggested but that's probably what like less than one percent of lily's video so i yeah i don't know i haven't seen the video and you know you can say the same for me uh my examples in my video were singular examples like against patrick i think i had three quint and i had like one or two but i suggested the podcast like yeah i get that you can't say a whole statement about an entire video but i don't think i point being is that yeah i i've not got my opinion changed about lily's video from this video someone says i'm a trains man i identify as a male train so anyway example lily blaine showrunner rebecca sugar for designing a contentious scrapped character that many felt evoked racist imagery despite the fact that the character was created by lima that they've that doesn't mean anything they've just internalized their racism don't you know maybe you don't have the approved right what do you think what do you think black conservatives catch so much shit because they don't have the approved black position and like why do you think gay conservatives get so much shit it's because gays aren't supposed to be conservative was the thing i mean if if she fundamentally disagrees and lily fundamentally like is fully in support i would mind see them talk about this subject but discussing things with people is like acid these days speaking of discussing things with people is like acid i need to go oh so i'm gonna have to bounce i will catch you later tonight maybe i don't know i'll be back in a number of hours very well so have fun with whatever it is you do yeah thanks we still have 2227 people watching that's crazy that's great that's great that's that is that is simultaneously baffling and at the same time endearing yes and someone in the chat said that this girl is non-flying airy non-flying airy oh burn sick burn but anyway um so goodbye everybody and mortal engines is terrible so i'll catch you all later see you rags like you said moral engines dude there's a guy who's been asking him why he hates mortal engines like every two and a half minutes since we started nice soul rags when he was like shut up about yeah all right i guess we'll we'll we'll we'll carry on showrunner rebecca sugar for designing a contentious scrapped character that many felt evoked racist imagery despite the fact that the character was created by lamar abrams and hillary florida she then criticizes the animation pointing out some size inconsistencies in certain characters and a few animation fair but she then describes all of the animation errors present on the show to rebecca sugar specifically because sugar draws the keyframes if you have literally any knowledge of how the animation industry works you know that this is just not true you just cannot blame one person for all see at this point i'd be like i'd recommend you actually make a response video sounds like you've got some points to make sounds like you could probably do a bit of a takedown sort of like and you could be like no i need to talk about it as a whole and to make people aware of having more alertness when listening to reviewers and i'd be like i agree problem is that the person you're going after might even agree with that statement too and so telling people to be more aware they'll be like that message means that i need to release pay attention and figure out what mall is lying about and then some other guy goes i agree i need to really pay attention and figure out what quinton's lying about and those two are like no that guy's the liar no that guy's the liar you know it's just like that spider-man picture where they just pointed each other so um look she's about to catch another fly that's that's the important commentary all of the animation problems within a show and repeatedly singling out one person expresses more of a personal problem with them than anything supported by fact furthermore lily claims that rebecca sugar stole several game-breaking twists such as character rose quartz being the alter ego of supposedly dead leader pink diamond from fans pointing to the fact that fans had theorized about the twist years before it was revealed now besides the fact that lily seems to think that foreshadowing working exactly as it was intended to somehow means the show stole the theory from its fans you would know that this happening is literally impossible if you did even five minutes of light googling on okay so someone i just realized you know how she opened this video with being like very princess is dumb because of this cell being this way and that's why it's bad isn't she kind of doing that to this person's review i'm not saying it's not valid i'm saying isn't she being a little bit inconsistently like being like god people taking way too seriously to to criticize a show to that level and it's like you're criticizing her work to that level on a show that any different i wonder if she considers that um different i don't know probably not just say how long it takes between an animated episode being planned and the episode airing it can quite literally take over a year for an episode to be written storyboarded voice acted sent to korea for animation produced rendered and sent off to the network for airing sent to korea for a while the episode yeah i guess it is i didn't actually know that but i mean hang on wouldn't it be really difficult to figure out what's going on on the animation if that's the kind of stuff that's going on you know in terms of figuring out who's responsible for yeah i think that contributed to a lot a lot of the uh the inconsistent animation someone else someone else pointed out but the animation is inconsistent like some of the height differences vary each person like and part of that was because they outsourced the animation to korea and to north korea someone said the intro was a joke it's it's a hyper symbolic but that's my point is that she was satirizing then right we all agree on that right she wasn't being serious the point was that these people go too far they take like something that's meant for children and they analyze it to death which is totally something that i get but i'm just wow avatar was baiting korea that's crazy i didn't know that yeah isn't that the argument for me all for why it's anime unless he said it was like inspired he said it was inspired by anime anime like they're they were inspired by anime in certain aspects of the that's the price of me i just assumed that there was like some american studio that like made this stuff i didn't know they just outsourced everything to korea kind of disappoints me a little bit looks like it looks like there's a lot of a lot of people know a lot of different things about this not just about steven universe or about that specific critique video but also just about free and animation this is just stuff i don't know about so i'm just like interesting sent to korea for animation produced rendered and sent off to the network for airing this means that while the episodes that hinted at rose being pink diamond were airing and theories were developing the episode revealing the twist was already in production lily either doesn't know this because she chose not to do any research or knows this and does not care because the truth of the matter can't be used to insult rebecca sugar fair enough from what i can tell i got i should see maybe someone in chat could figure out a bit of a breach there but it sounded like i all followed this is a theme that's consistent throughout this video and many others lily well lily talked about that su's production team blamed korean animation team for the animation mistake when su's production team did not provide sufficient reference in the first place okay yeah this feels like this is the kind of thing that i can't really comment on because i need more specific information about this show clearly hates rebecca sugar calling her a fascism apologist and a thoroughly loathsome person among other things and because of lily's personal dislike for sugar she's turned to ascribing characters and episodes that sugar didn't even create as like proof of her detestability in short she's taken an unconstructive personal opinion and tried to back it up with factually incorrect evidence that she's framed as objectivity this kind of tear oh does she actually agree with objectivity i don't know why i don't know why this chick just didn't make make a straightforward response to the lily because that's what it seems like she has that's what it seems like she has a beef with is lily orchard well that and a bit of cinemasins i guess and a bit of flies look her claws are getting ready like i i didn't i didn't i thought i because i just i'm so used to people being like you can't be objective about uh but she just said that and it's like oh air down video has unfortunately become more and more common instead of explaining why something didn't work in a productive way a lot of this media criticism has devolved into a desire to definitively destroy something that was a very illiterative sentence failures and storytelling or i would agree with her but i would have the caveat but it goes both ways there are people out there who just want to celebrate a thing no matter what and is it is it morally better to do either of those things than the other it's just a thing it's like either one reviewer is going to ruin an entire studio or an or like an actor's no no and then but then like in fairness mauler you can attest to this uh joseph anderson like kind of fucked with the sales of soma for his criticism yeah i'll never argue that he fucking ruined frictional or anything like or damaged even well i know i just say that damages reputation to a small degree because there's people in his comment section were like i was gonna pick this up but thanks for you know helped me avoid it it's like and then you could be like but mauler is people who say that in your comment sections about stuff like the predator and i'd be like but i was accurate with the predator i didn't lie about it you like you'd be like prove that joseph had us and lies i'd be like well i mean i got a series of videos i just want to go up to you another another columnist girl your new waifu i've seen i've seen apparently it arouses me if someone says objectivity that was a very illiterative sentence failures in storytelling or animation are frequently ascribed to one singular person this is a common theme in nostalgia critic reviews and creators are often described with personal attacks on their character and she's right about that because uh i was actually watching the Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom with my sister and her boyfriend who rarely visit but they they were here and and he's like a special effects art director he's had worked in a lot of films and i said i really like the cinematography in Fallen Kingdom and then i said um but then again i think ja boner is a pretty good director in general like not amazing but he's got a couple of books and then uh he was like that's not the director i was like what do you mean he's like the cinematography would be the cinematographer the guy who the there's another word for it but he's basically like that's who did that not the director and it's like oh yeah and and i clarified and i was like that kind of does happen we ascribe like errors sometimes to people that might not be responsible for example it's like who's more responsible for the script of the last Jedi the guy who created it or the person who approved the script guy who created it sure yeah well damn it well the guy who approved it is definitely dumb but no one could possibly and look that's one kind of dumb but Ryan is a special kind of dumb since he was the one that actually had to make that script it is it's interesting to me because it's like well of course it's his fault he created it and it's like but of course it's her fault because she approved it she could have stopped it like well it's both their fault yeah you know that's that's a good thing to be like okay what about you find out there's a guy called john who did a bunch of rewrites and he put all the worst stuff in there it's like oh i guess that was i guess that was kind of his fault more so than i mean technically this is all george lucas's fault for selling it in the first place but then it's all whoever's fault was who were his parents and then their parents and then their parents because they created george to have made that decision just like oh fuck we can't do this you know i'm not even going back to the blood lines the blood line back to like jesus and it's like jesus's fault you nutted inside of martha lucas and fucked us all you never have to watch this shit so you go to the grandmother of george lucas for some reason she's just still alive but really all it's like last jedi you throw it in her face this is your fault she's so sorry just hang the bitch over a balcony like you bitch oh man i'm i'm looking at that that mark on her door and now i just expect jared to come through like anyways guys oh jared and because this media criticism is often made by people who are uninformed about the entertainment industry and have chosen not to do any research they feel more like personal opinions than well substantiated essays unfortunately this illusion of authority has real effects as it turns out as long as you speak in an authoritative tone of voice have some cool background music going on and play some clips from whatever it is you're talking about another play tend to assume you know what you're doing that applies to literally like everybody it's funny she said that because h bob a guy admitted to that in his video he said i speak authoritatively sometimes because i find it to be a more persuasive way of presenting my argument he said that one for one and it's not that he's wrong it's just that for me i was just like yeah you you you pose as assertive fix for comments you're not even sure about and that's kind of the problem um i usually try and change my language up when i'm doing something like a fact versus something that's unsubstantiated versus a feeling i will usually try and go from you know this is x to i kind of felt this was x in my videos and i think it's an important distinction because yeah if you speak authoritatively about anything and you're completely wrong there will be someone who goes hmm sounds like he's right it's probably right i'm like no stop that's not to say everyone who uses the structure is being disingenuous a lot of great video essayists use the structure i use this structure and it's precisely the fact that people are imitating the structure imitating the aesthetic of a well-supported essay but their actual content is filled with inaccurate information and personal attacks that is so deeply frustrating now just to be clear everyone is entitled to their own opinions about whatever they like let the fly go that's your major concern top comment is like won't be in like what happened to the fly explain we need evidence personal attacks i'd love to see like a bunch of people like go to work you know and like respectfully say please let the flies leave i don't know why you've done this she she starts looking at the comments it's just like what fly deeply frustrating now just to be clear everyone is entitled to their own opinions about whatever they watch and i'm not saying you're not allowed to complain about something you didn't like if you're not an expert on the entertainment industry on the other hand these people frequently frame their personal opinions as objective truth it's not i don't like steven universe it's steven universe is objectively horrible you might be able to get away with that if you're backing up whatever you're saying with i like that eric thought this was a criticism of me but a lot of this is what this kind of stuff i say i'm like yeah you can say you don't like something but it's a difference between that and saying it's objectively bad she seems to think that you can say something's objectively bad as long as you prove it you get an impression i know i am yeah i don't think she's saying you can't evidence like lindsay ellis and other video essays to do but when your video is just about trying to tear something you don't like down instead of providing any real analysis it's not reasonable to frame what you're saying as if it's just objectively correct overall youtube allows pretty much anyone to make videos and talk about things that interest them and that's overwhelmingly a good thing because it makes knowledge more accessible and doesn't restrict one's ability to express oneself to a select view with connections it wouldn't be right to claim that only people who review movies for newspapers for a living or people working in the entertainment industry are allowed to criticize things and it's great that more people are able to build a platform based on well-made content the downside of that is that anyone who knows enough tricks to sound authoritative can be taken seriously it's funny because i'd say like yeah you're right he probably does do that and she's like no no he's a good one sorry i thought no even when there's very little little dutch boy alone i mean if i were a casual viewer watching lily orchard's video and i hadn't done any research into how the animation industry people are saying you are objectively in love this is gonna be a meme now isn't it you know more than judging from this video i think you should bring her over what does that mean you can't moller don't she's canadian you can't side with the enemy it's true this is very true and she'll just apologize no matter what anyway get that strawberry shortcake going even when there's very little substance there i mean if i were a casual viewer watching lily orchard's video and i hadn't done any research into how the animation industry worked i probably would have believed her when she said the show's animation was bad because of rebecca sugar kind of like how a lot of critics will say a thing and people don't realize and then they think the thing yeah i agree i don't know this is we get into a problem now if you're starting to say stuff i i can't disagree with and so we just play in a proof i'm sorry i can't do anything i'd be like yeah it's true that that is a bad thing chat chat when you ask us to play good videos this is why we can't this is what happens we just go yeah so we because then we're just like well yeah because like what are we supposed to respond to people are only interested in tearing down something they hate and they do so in a way where they frame their personal opinion as objective truth they're not creating a positive contribution to media criticism i'm not sure i necessarily agree with that it depends you can have a character who's solely about ripping things apart like i don't think plinkett's ever done a positive review he could argue he's only doing negative ones he has plenty of constructive criticism and what if during your angry round you suggest improvements like this was stupid but you could have done this and it could have been better you know it'd be like oh that was constructive as long as they're at least a little bit surely that you could say that it's uh funny yeah so i'd say that's contextual but i know that eric thinks that applies to me because i like a lot of people have been saying like why are you outwardly hating tfa and i'm like it's not gonna be that at all in this whole series and i don't intend to do that i don't think i did that with tlj series i i think there were three instances where i said this isn't bad because in the movie there was like three five second modes where i was like hey this is pretty good and hey wolf did that too his opening for his tlj video that was his first one you said a whole bunch of good things didn't you yeah well two it's not about thinking up ways media could be better or helping foster empathy for other people it's just disingenuous and frustrating so the implied fly said i beg of you e-fapper he said fetch me and my friends the implied fly that's amazing criticism it's not about thinking up ways media could be better or helping foster empathy for other people it's just disingenuous and frustrating and it contributes to a culture of personal attacks and misinformation youtube is great because they can make a video and talk about whatever they want and youtube is terrible because anyone can make a video and talk about whatever they want as a whole the nature of this website has shaped the way we criticize things and has even shaped the way tv shows and movies are made there is a lot of still still waiting for proof for that other than the rooso brothers like saps of the rooso brothers a little bit it's a really great work on youtube centered around analyzing and criticizing various forms of media be it looking at the technical elements that went into making certain shows thinking about the real world implications of certain art forms or focusing on story and performance but there's also a lot of work that doesn't seem concerned with making good content and instead focuses on either low effort criticism that generates the most clicks or tearing down art that the reviewer personally doesn't like both of these types of work are often filled with incorrect information that might not be immediately obvious to a viewer and she's being really careful with the script i can't really complain here she's like it can be it often is it blah blah blah it's like yeah as long as she can prove singular uh times where these things happen she's not necessarily wrong and i know that i can do that so help guys rip into her we have to attack her we have to be evil uh all right all right i got something i got bitch iron out your fucking posters all right you know what you're right they are they are wobbly maybe it's a part of the like hippie aesthetic make sure you're going for mixed with dr who you know they're all wavy what the fuck does i have to do with ugly ass posters in placement i thought you meant that they're like wibbly you know like the what do you mean by iron out your posters like they're like they're fucking they're curling on the wall for some reason if she's if she's going for the doctor who look maybe it's supposed to be all curly huh how about that i i i'd have no fucking clue how that got it got it correlated to dr oh i'm just picturing you in the room like no that is not an excuse get your iron out like i'll fix this shit and both of these criticisms often have a lot of aesthetic similarities to more well made content and present their opinions as objective fact that is bad now i know cinemason isn't going to stop making nitpick videos anytime soon and people aren't going to stop watching them either i'm not asking anyone who watches this to unsubscribe from their favorite channel but we should remember that those channels are kind of like potato chips they're a fun snack and there's nothing wrong with enjoying them but just because they're easy to digest doesn't mean we should think they're healthy and have them for every meal i'm a dorito excuse you i'm a sunship also i i i left for just a second but i still heard you um obviously her posters are just like jared like like gluing his hot whales to the wall we we try to eye the bout forward jared's like no they're like that by design i can take one thing from my video it would be to check out some really great media criticism channels as well and i've linked some of my favorites in the description the potato chip metaphor has made me hungry so i think i'm going to go grab some and binge some lindsay ellis or do some more that's a bad thing to be i try to watch her beauty and the beast review and i couldn't get the right i that's that's it's a word salad like you're just going yeah i didn't get it i was watching i didn't understand i wasn't following like it's like a ramble her video on uh beauty and the beast i was trying i was having struggling following it i couldn't even understand what the film did like i was like yeah that was that was the video i watched after her hobbit videos and her hobbit was actually really really good and then i watched the the beauty and the beast one and i was like what what is this and this is the thing not hating on lindsay ellis as a whole just saying you know because there are videos that wolf has made that i don't like probably and vice versa is probably true like everyone's capable of making bad videos it's totally cool just uh yeah that's all it's really like i'm finished with my point to make a point oh oh someone said she'll take a potato chip and eat it i think quintuple i think you understand that one i don't i don't i don't follow what's that i think that's isn't that a it's a death note yeah i was gonna say i don't watch anime i'm not i'm not aware weeb is it that's what they call okay well you wouldn't you and me need to watch a death note because i read the manga and it's awesome you already need to watch a whole bunch of other things wolf we can't do one at a time yeah i know you've been asking me if you uh if i've read berserk i actually did just buy the first like volume of berserk i haven't read it yet but i do own it now oh there you go just so people will stop asking me there's still 30 seconds after this just credits special thank you to my patreon supporters look uh i can't what in the world it okay i'm skipping that name alex wenberg amalia anthony peon kaylon bird of david denny theriffle why okay uh well yeah that was the video uh what do you what do you reckon wolf what of the video you fucking retard what do you think of the video uh it was kind of rambly like i some of the things i didn't necessarily disagree with she just didn't really provide any like examples or evidence to her points yeah the most substantive stuff came in with cinema sins i think and then the the um like the steven universe stuff then there was a lot of statements that were things i wouldn't be able to poke a hole in but then lots where we could like me and rags had a field day with some of those statements um yeah it's like you know this is arbitrary like it's like it's an okay video it's okay that's probably the best rating we've ever had on efap it's better than quitting by far he's he's linked us here recommended one of the recommended reviewers this makes the video worse it's like i want to like you but i can't i'm not a weave also border here this is one punch man this is like in my video it's like i was joking oh god all the one pun the fact that you talked about anime now everyone's going to be like see he is an alt writer because he likes anime how about oh no i don't know for some reason people tend to equate people who watch anime with the alt right i'm not sure why i think i have something to do with asian girls and like like oh you're like alt writers apparently to these people or like associated with like weird sexual fetishes with asian girls and shit like that i don't know i just thought it was like an art style i just like it i mean like yeah when it comes to alt writers that's i mean that's how like jackass is like i i don't know why they i just don't know why they they they tie the two together that way it's just dumb oh you know what i just realized there's that meme from uh major lee where he everyone was saying like something but with women like that changes the thing itself so like i just realized you could call this e-fap with women yeah it's the first one we've ever had a real contact creator odd ad criticized that's yeah we're talking to one and talking about one it's amazing the way you're presented as like we've talked to one of these creatures and we're also replacing one on the screen and we're finally covered women so shut the fuck up well i mean next time i'd be like okay but have you ever had a dinosaur like these ridiculous requests i was gonna say i'm gonna have to read some of these sewer chats now this is gonna you guys are welcome to get drinks or go to toilet or whatever i'm just gonna try this is where the fun begins so i was listening to hugo and jake be dumb about the sargon patreon thing e-fap went live and saved me have shekels i oh hugo and shake what i didn't know that you could have i'm curious to see their take on that now because i've not really i mean don't like sargon a supporting sargon on this one as far as i know it's weird because it's like i i like them but it's like every time they talk about something that isn't about religion then it's like stop please yeah okay all right well yeah i'll have to yeah they've got does patreon have a right to refuse service i guess it's so well i'll check that out see what they say more please speak in your patrick william's voice the next five minutes bilbo baggins i don't like speaking that way it's uh is like potholes don't actually matter it's like i have i have a really bad hairline i mean you you do have a really bad i look i look like moby now you're just being racist just because he's can't remember who recommended ori but i'm curious how you think it compares to hollow night i think both games are great oh that's definitely me um i haven't finished hollow night i really haven't played much of hollow night but from what i have played they're not really comparable because hollow nights more combat focused whereas ori's more platformer focused and a lot of people tend to give ori shit for not having good combat when it's not the point at all i can agree with you on that i prefer ori and it's probably because i absolutely adore the art style even though i think the art the story the music everything i love that game i was gonna say i'd have to play both of them again to give a solid yeah i like hollow night though yeah i just like it for different reasons uh anyone here read shameless young's blog who's that i've never heard of him what's your opinion on his 50 chapters of mass effect trilogy retrospective i'm afraid i do not know who that is um it looks like the other two do not as well membership oh sounds cool i finally get to listen live after weeks of catching them late hope y'all are okay and enjoyed the holidays uh did you guys have a good holiday yeah yeah i was i was gonna cut you off and say i don't care but then you already said yeah so i was like damn it you ruined my joke uh but yes no holidays have been fun and yeah membership is essentially subscribing for youtube and um it's just an alternative to patreon which is i was hoping would help out with people who really don't agree with patreon right now which i understand there's a lot of people but the the reasoning that it's actually worth it is just for the jared memes oh i don't think he knows about this yeah i want him to come in and see um random question have any of you seen water ship down i think all of us probably have no not in a very very long oh well he's seen it not in a long time i've seen it but not in quite a while to be honest but uh yeah basically everything that film has is reputation is just gonna go like repeated years is like yeah it's horrifying for kids to watch yeah and they watched it as a kid so yeah oh and yeah the membership thing there's a link in description and it takes you to my gaming page on youtube and then you have to click join and that's how you get the membership for some reason it's not on the main page because youtube said it's still glitched and they haven't fixed it yet that's what i was told um but do you know they first told me by the way was that um you're not eligible and i was like what do you mean they were like well if it's not showing up you're not eligible and i was like but i've got this message that literally says that i have memberships and i tested it and it works they were like oh i guess it just doesn't show up then oh thanks guys but uh it's supposed to be like i'm not the only channel that has this as a problem so eventually we did it guys we finally got efap with women oh there you go the memes someone nailed it already you're gonna watch the vader fan film i saw the teaser trailer have you seen this wolf i've heard of it i haven't looked into it if enough people are like it's utterly amazing then i guess i'll i'll check it out but i haven't heard too much uh from it shinobi put back his videos for responsible in kingdom as well as making new ones you're gonna see those we so this may as well say it in the in the podcast we said it on discord i think but uh we're not gonna cover shinobi again he lost his mind when we covered him uh that he hadn't too much of a mind to lose but it it was pretty bad like that man does not understand what criticism is he just fucking goes crazy uh so it's probably best we've pointed out that yeah and i pointed out like he he's making up uh attacks against him he posted on twitter a bunch of comments like mocking his voice and he said people posted these on my channel but you can like literally find them on the efap video itself not his videos which isn't to say there probably is uh comments that are offensive quote unquote on his video but there's loads of constructive comments too and do what do you want me to say like let's just go through all all three of us here right now could go search our comment section or offensive stuff could we not it's just like it comes with the territory and you'd be like yeah but you directed them to it was like we did the disclaimer we said to leave him alone at this point you're advocating for no criticism across the board and he criticized wolf so which by the way he cheaply criticized me and wolf so it's it's we're in a position where we're like can you let us know when we're allowed to criticize somebody because your rules are retarded it's like you just keep telling us like we can't do it for x reason that doesn't make sense anyway on to a really positive comment this is my first podcast i'd rather coat a man's arm in gorilla glue have him fist me up his elbow wait for the glue to drive and then yank his arm out as hard as he can then quit watching efap jesus christ i don't um okay who's the most beautiful of the podcast this person said hit one for wolf they haven't even offered options i mean i would i would argue i'm like objectively the ugly though okay wow that's offensive to people who like to be ugly who are here so why would you like to be ugly can't watch today but i'll certainly watch this three times later and not be bored i love that that's still going stupid me from i hate everything uh i don't see a joy button on your channel yeah you find it through the gaming link it's in the description and like i said it's weird and probably why we won't have many members because it's like convoluted to actually get there but it's worth it for the charity modes uh you guys should read the comments give people what they really want oh fuck that's a reference to youtube rewind isn't it god did you guys see the fixed rewind from pewdiepie yeah i was like he actually i thought it was sort of a joke that i watched as like he actually managed to pull off what i would consider to be much closer to what youtube rewind should be so that's pretty cool if he keeps doing that every year youtube will probably get pissed stop doing that uh because do you platform him entirely could you imagine the outrage if they booted pewdiepie off youtube oh yeah youtube would be sweet immediately crumble i was gonna say if he actually set up another place to stay i think a bunch of creators would join him in protest mm-hmm that could kill youtube thinking about it a lot of people ask what could kill youtube it's like if they booted pewdiepie for some reason that could kill youtube yeah he'd probably be so pissed he'd start his own his own website uh birthday stream yeah i keep up the good work guys happy jesus stick day by the way that's a deep meme the jesus stick things for my outlast series uh how much do you have to pay to get jarred onto efap my life isn't complete without it i i don't know if we could have him on efap what do you reckon wolf oh i think he'd be up for it i think we should just we should go back to watching jared videos in general because he's all he's what he's all for it oh uh he likes it i mean i like the idea of bringing him on and then having him suggest videos we cover just see how we need we need to just see yeah that would be a great one uh roses are red you guys are famous i'm warning you rags you prepare your anus beautiful good fortune poor rags the path to objective logical criticism is so powerful some consider it to be unnatural that's a reference to that star trek movie isn't it totally okay um oh and someone mentioned sorry i i missed who it was but someone mentioned the monkey jones thing um rags has been away since we said about it to the 28th and obviously we got christmas new year's stuff going on so i think we're still going on state of the youtube podcast me and rags together i'm not sure 100 though so it might be happening big you fan big big fan of you guys this stream even tough even though i can't catch all of it live and we'll have to watch the other eight hours due to time zones later free real estate well yeah fair enough thank you i really like all your content but i would appreciate some more long-form videos come on get it together i mean they're coming it was two hours and 40 minutes it's not like it was short shout out to darth jarrett genesis rags sounds like the 12 years old jordan peterson they did amazing the way they did it 12 year old jordan peterson come on he doesn't even sound like kermit the um i find what you just said offensive opinions on the stalker games a movie have you got one more uh i haven't seen the movie but i read uh the book roadside picnic i really loved that and the stalker games first one is amazing second one sucks third one is amazing well there you go i got no connection to stalker but alex has wanted me to play it for like a million years oh it's so good gotta mod it but it's so good oh my god he's a queer somebody said that as a super chat i had to do it the voice was was not expecting one this week love you guys keep it the hard work and happy new year thank you james and yeah we weren't intending to do one but we figured out we actually had a slot this is like the only available time and it wasn't even fully available for rags i love the deal from attack of the queers i think that's to the right to the last one i honestly like this fight scene until you brought up how choreographed it was still like it but i agree doth male fight is much better i yeah i mean i don't i don't think i'm comfortable in saying the throne room fight is good anymore there's so many car choreography mistakes like it's i just throwing away his dick you're like if kylo looked at it but that fight is middle of it just like thanks hi rag hello they'll be watching this tomorrow in the middle of a kamalot series marathon best french tv show ever you guys have a great night and a fantastic new year's eve thank you very much i feel like today's media especially west and cartoons have very low standards and more people are just willing to accept it also great c and j longbone hey there you go hey that means it was beautiful that means an invasion someone dare defended kanto bite seen by saying that the that the horror scene from empire was also irrelevant to the plot and doesn't move it your thoughts what's the horror scene from empire uh i think you might be talking about the cave why is that irrelevant how's that horror i guess i mean i guess that you can say it's creepy ish maybe yeah because we're as the audience we're like holy shit is that f***ing Darth Vader right there like what the hell like oh no luke might die but then it's like wait luke was Darth Vader like what does this mean it's all metaphor but irrelevant like kanto bites irrelevant i wouldn't go that far i'd have to hear what they mean by irrelevant to the plot um i miss official mohler wait what i mits i is i don't know what that is i something official mohler is the sargon of the media review crew everybody hates him for no reason good luck i have to get kicked off patreon oh i hope not i saw you you put out a tweet right like you've taken a hit thanks to this the patreon stuff with sargon uh lauren oh yeah um a couple people like two people drop you know drop my patreon page but it's okay well this thing i got the same thing happened for quite a few people and i was just like they were like apologizing i was like you don't have to really apologize i i understand the principle of not wanting to have any money go to patreon the unfortunate thing is there's not an easy decision for us to find like an equally good position to sort of take it's it's just it sucks and uh it's complicated but we understand um loving the live stream boys keep it a good work looking forward to a play through of colonial marines please dissect it to your heart's content i mean it's not like it's going to be an analysis we'll probably just be fucking riffing on it right we played uh two missions was it or was it just that one in the dlc yeah i think it was we did two i can't remember but we um yeah we both like fit into the same locker and then the one guy guys and then the black guys like come on man you get the headset and then the black guy suddenly has the headset too for no reason uh fun fun time uh h bummer guy was on movie circle trick sniping a tfa review h bummer guy doesn't like to acknowledge my existence except when he wants to tweet snipe shit at me you know that that comment in my video where he said um someone like someone said like they they watched 10 minutes in my video and they knew it was awful and then i was just like how the fuck would you know it's awful if you only watched 10 minutes and then h bummer guy said you know when you have a meal and you when you eat a part of the meal and you realize that it's not going to taste good you stop eating the meal and i was like yeah but if you eat a fucking potato and tell the chef that the whole thing was awful he was just gonna be like you didn't even eat the rest of it what do you mean it's like well i didn't like the potato and uh he didn't respond it's always like why do you never respond we can have a conversation do you know what those are it's like whatever well would you like tlj a bit more if it turned out snook was a self-made sith as much as ray is a self-made jedi the force like life finds a way interested in your opinion on that thought i mean i'm not snokes power level isn't too much of a concern for me you could just tell me that he's been around since before pal patini's been in the shadows i'd be like okay yeah you just know you could tell us something yeah it's less the power levels more how he managed to screw everything up for all of our heroes and how he managed to resurrect the first order that's the stuff i'm like how do you do that objective scum ps you're my favorite critic at the moment thank you molars jesus that's confirmed by rags why snipe at petty things if you can take better shots an actual quote by a military marksman well there you go well that that's a little bit different from the snipe and we're talking how is it any different to comment on a youtube video than to shoot a target with a sniper rifle explain that well one dies we all die one dies horribly the video you mean oh the guy wearing body armor uh sorry but i have to go to the dmv and lean some hyperdrive one us wanted to stay might come back before the end happy new year happy new year do steve shy's video on star trek discovery oh god i don't want to do a steve shy's video i have an evil scene star trek discovery so uh christis i did one video on it oh yeah it's a little piece of shit video i got i think i think i did pretty decent i'm sure it's amusing crystal skull is as good as the other indie films wrong what did this come from do we ever discuss it yet but i mean fuck that is a controversial opinion uh but anyway guys i'm here to controversial opinion it's a wrong opinion did you say that it's clearly better there's aliens when were the aliens in the other ones well shia la buff was also in it but that doesn't make it better shia la buff anyway guys i'm here to be cheered up after the depression sfo's video on mastercard shenanigans gg2 electric boogaloo loved the new molavid well thank you this business called centrist glass cannon interesting name i love all of you guys and can't wait for more content that means you rags more have you seen the original 12 angry men i saw i'm not sure if that's the original i think it is but yes i talked about it on one of the e-faps i think 12 angry men you don't watch that again i liked it i believe that people feel obligated to defend the last Jedi out of affiliation rather than any artistic standard or personal conviction i think that definitely applies to some but i think there are people out there who who do believe that the last Jedi is good like we accept that right wolf people are they actually thought the film was very well made right yeah it's just i don't respect those people um new challenge you get to insert one in my opinion into any line of dialogue in revenge of the seath would you put it i have to do it you guys got any suggestions what was the question again you get to put in my opinion at the end of any piece of dialogue in revenge of the seath you are the chosen one in my opinion oh okay okay god dammit try to think of something in my opinion he's too dangerous he's too dangerous to be left alive in my opinion you got a lot of fun show the seath shall rule the galaxy in my opinion they left me scarred and deformed in my opinion this is how liberty dies in my opinion he's always so sorry in my opinion all these same it's just gonna hit the next i'm just looking i'm like what the fuck did you just say you sent him here to kill me in my opinion uh look i get the wolf is the mouth of sauron but dude brush your teeth also rags video when oh don't tell me what to do rags said it was new year's eve right was that the intention i think you said that what i think rags said he's doing a new video in new year's eve i think oh i don't know he said like a week ago two weeks oh well it's kind of confused it's on the way i don't know so uncivilized in my opinion i've watched a tfa intro three times now and i wasn't bored it's nice to have 30 years of efap and condensed into three hours years to 2019 a lot of people said that the intro felt like efap condensed it's like yeah i mean you know a lot of it was thanks to efap that i knew about these things uh careful you don't get flagged by youtube for duplicate content um i think what we're doing totally counts as transformative surely not like we're stealing and we even promoted a guy earlier so you know to be honest you know if you guys want to this this person's content um i forget the name of the channel i think was it sara z uh you can go check her out obviously if you want to like the other videos i don't think it's a bad channel like obviously we're not going to promote someone like quinton when he's like outwardly lying about me and rags but this person seems to be relatively okay relatively on point you can you know that's a that's a partial promotion there you go we're not always so mean is is kind of what i'm trying to get at here is constantly trying to account for the fact that we're awful uh is the fallout video coming from rags how often to Bethesda oh given how often Bethesda is screwing up do you think you'll be finished before next Christmas like i said give it a week i think is probably where he's aiming to get it within uh wolf sounded like an edgy teenager when he talked about aquaman the movie was faithful to the comic and had the qualities of an epic tale yeah i don't care if it has the qualities of an epic tale so does the room but you know what aquaman is i i would have to make like i could go full mauler on that movie that movie awful it's it's like hilarious i mean it's hilarious but it's awful don't don't try and tell me that movie's objectively good yeah and i haven't seen it but i from the plot summary i got from wolf i was like oh my goodness i mean the the prologue alone is a fever dream but all the times they rip off other movies they've ripped off how you're dragging to like a serious plot point from it uh the whole the whole mom dressing up as like a monster and being in some secluded place and uh that they recognize each other even though aquaman was three years old at the time uh they ripped that off from how to train your dragon too they ripped off direct quotes from other movies like they just they switched a couple words out from braveheart and applied it to a fucking CGI crab person i mean it's funny it's hilarious but it's not good i mean like wouldn't wouldn't the husband have pictures of her and that's how like he was yeah but well that's the thing that's that's the thing is she recognizes aquaman yeah well she knows her own kid but he was three years old at the time that she left like oh this this this this racially ambiguous guy that i raised to be like the next king of atlanta so i wonder what he looks like now how's he racially ambiguous though he's but you know well you know what he is but like in the movie you don't really know what he is he a fish man he's just he's just jason momoa yeah i don't i don't know his uh where he's from jason momoa is he yeah i think he's Hawaiian in real life uh um yeah i mean well if everyone clearly wants you to make a video on it so i don't know if i'll ever make a video again i don't know uh my issue with mollus reviews is that after i watched them everyone else's reviews seem vapid and uninformed is that and then there's nothing to watch now oh you guys there's plenty of good people out there there's that wolf guy yeah there's uh there's er i mean he only uploads twice a year but there's there's there's rags there's jay longbone all the people on e-fap who've guested i'm not biased against these people yeah there's a wild mc douche bag only he only reviews things like once in three years there's loads of people there's just nobody who takes a million years to make stuff that like a million-year movie review you know that's that's that's my that's my territory no one's allowed to do that now hey mollar i fixed your pillow case oh these are the weird comments well did you know yeah yeah your breathing has a whistle to it and you sleep it's so creepy uh isn't that the same as saying catcher in the ride convince someone to kill the president so that's the thing that happened right i don't know someone read a book and decided to try and kill the president i don't know but yes um assuming the book has no connection it doesn't call for violence or anything and someone just goes i felt like doing that therefore the book is responsible it's like what this is with real e-fap starts happy new year e-fap if criticisms kill then should pewdiepie be dead i don't have a what hey mollar hey rags sub wolf and hello new person could you guys check out white lights critique on dark side is too it's three hours long so watch it your leisure i just like your opinion i'd need to play the game first and then i've never played any of the game so i mean either we'd be useless on that one i'm afraid the everything is political argument is marxist garbage that they use to justify the state intervening in people's daily lives it's like the justification for totalitarianism okay fair enough uh every fairy our pussy e-fap that's that's racist fairy theories mollar i don't hate you i made that clear on reddit as well supported you actually greater context and all that read my other posts oh that's from rusty cheese knife i mean the thing is one of his comments has been read out loud it's it's the the impression is very much he's he's the guy who called me the saw god of like media and stuff oh he's the math guy no he's the one who responded to the math guy oh and i don't i don't think i ever said you well i may have said it like uh hyperbolically like these guys pretty much hate me but it's like some of the stuff you've been saying but like it's it's next level insanity and uh i think the comments speak for themselves i would suppose it's kind of like if hitler like it made all of his speeches and about like how much he hates the jews then he was like no i love jews it's just criticism what i mean saying that like they're i agree he's i'm just saying the means of the devil it's all he just starts throwing them in the gas chambers and they're like uh hitler what's what's going on here buddy he's like look i'm just helping him just like you guys are okay right they're like no no they're all they're all choking on the ground like struggling for life and he's like see they're they're doing fine they're fine it's subjective this is just legitimate criticism subjective love your troopers is a roman republican told aunt black panther sucks replayed i'm racist that's a strange sentence i think i understand it uh service guarantees rhino milk molar of a cat that's that's actually a good meme what's bad faith augmentation i think we covered that earlier but yeah it's just the idea that i think rag said it best the um dishonest intentions is is probably the easiest way to quickly describe it hey fab wolf love you man i don't understand why you like those garbage king killer chronicle books fairy sex scenes are on the level of kanto bite in fairness that was that was okay well i actually only just got through that part like a couple days ago i'm still i'm almost finished with the second book they're good the main character is a horribly raging gary stew but they're fun i'll i'll put it at that i would have to make like a whole video about my thoughts in those books because there's a lot for watching a long video from you about fairy sex scenes that's cool with me in fairness at least they're not they're not half as creepy and disturbing as a george r r martin sex scene where he has to like like he doesn't want to say like dick so he has to be like his throbbing member and it's like oh like you read you read a song of ice and fire sex scenes and it's like this is the most uncomfortable shit i've ever had to read same with steven king both of those two need to never write sex scenes again i don't know what's wrong with them and uh why can't you just say cock or i don't know it i mean i can't wait like his character's gonna say it though right he wouldn't say it in no no no that that would be in description as they're doing it yeah it's just kind of weak i get like the idea of like it would be kind of weird and awkward to be like he's stuck as dick in her and it's like well here's the thing don't just don't write sex scenes in books because they they hardly ever add anything to the book in the first place but in steven king and george r martin books they're just disturbing wolf wants his dick is what he's saying no no i i want you to stop putting those scenes in books there's just stop doing it uh wolf your senior jarrod sculpture don't lie don't even oh is that the same guy who made the creepy things about you uh wolf as the m o s and rags as the w k fuck yes all right yeah mouth of sorrow oh okay i was wondering what that was supposed to mean because i was like wolf is the moss what it's because matt most people don't even know mouth of sorrow because a lot of people haven't even seen the extended vision that's so weird the sky high being fascist thing is about genetics and uses media without understanding the story behind it uses super men and stars as examples i i mean if everybody like really wants us to check out that video to see if they want the thing is i haven't seen sky high in like a million years i really can't remember anything about it i probably remember it sucking but i mean that was when i was 10 when it came out uh at least she's better than dark elf who i don't know it just says at least she's better than the dark elf is that referring to the person we're covering maybe we're covering who's the dark elf though i love how you just pointed out how even if i was right my sense still doesn't make sense yet does not want to bring up raised godlike powers being more manifest destiny than a slave and farm boy saving the world so yes he's being biased i feel like we needed the context for that one exactly she likes quintin well opinion discarded idiot confirmed hey maybe she doesn't know maybe she just doesn't know just jumped into the stream in time to hear wolf point out how you can see the outline of quintin's unibrow incoming quality content i can tell yes 100 percent that's what doug said uh did anyone notice what quintin looks like rocky denis or mask at 324 wolf just admitted to being bear jesus don't uh bear jesus that's from the creepy comments person uh i'm so confused uh hyperbole and disillusion sorry hyperbole and delusional null hyperbole and delusional has turned criticism into analyzing somebody's mental state it's less about what it said and who said it and why this is bad i can't help us rating our chat what help us rating our chat you can raid on youtube i mean oh shit the the chat's broken for me right now so i'm just seeing a bunch of people like typing he's a friend we're okay with this we're not gonna dmca you like um like who was that uh i keep wanting to call him crispy baldy because i can't remember his actual name oh i forgot his name as well uh if a bed sends his regards then if you're still in the chat please tell me remember i think ben's probably moved on like who would want to see us reading out super chats for a whole hour like who would keep my eye out for ben mary late christmas you doggos and skullos did you ever catch ellip defranco's take on er or something terrible on the lines of joking about uh yeah i saw it kia yeah because he took the one comment the er said but i've always said i want to know the context of the comment i don't i'd like er's take on it and i don't know i'm not a huge fan of defranco always kind of felt like doesn't really have anything to say i mean fuck he's definitely lost a lot of integrity with the better help thing do you see colossus crazy covering though it was amusing he uploaded he he was on the baited channel he just like rips into his responses good shit getting angry now equals wrong don't know why gas mask yells at clout that's me never forget the the rape rap nostalgia chick oh yeah that's i only know about that thanks to mattiker i think yeah it's really like awkward because he actually found the video and he like played it and it was it wasn't even her that was rapping it was some weird like fedora dude and he was honestly just kind of like weird not not creepy just awkward like why are you doing this buddy just stop just stop uh ben on e-fap and the e-fap cast on dp internet gold i mean it might happen they first right is when he was that was the offer for yeah yeah i might be around i do not know for sure uh what do y'all think of bid box have you either of you wait you've seen it right loren yeah it was okay i don't think it's great um i like the ideas and the execution was decent enough uh but i don't know like it there's a couple of things i have problems with but i kind of want to be spoiler free in case wolf hasn't seen it yet i haven't seen it yeah that that that ending i'm not gonna say what it is but it was predictable like i saw it coming like okay i know i know it's coming i know it's coming because you know i can't see anything else but yeah i i knew it was coming a mile away and it was like okay happy ending whatever yeah i i did like it though and uh i did the first thing i thought was is this the same as the happening when i was watching i was like is this the same plot yeah it basically is it is they just added some extra stuff in it like oh you see your worst fear you start uh rambling with some really stupid dialogue and then you die yeah they didn't really explain much of that maybe i don't know if they needed it whatever yeah anyway because again i might make wolf watch it just for the funsies so uh of course rags only remembers the bong i've seen all the ones that you have in your room ragsy creepy keeps with the creepy comments why does he know what's in our room he said okay guys gonna go now watch the rest when it's archived love you more that will fuck you rags jay long uh bye see you guys this is a strange strange super chats i love how she has to say leftist yeah a lot of people even ben was uh commented on it it seems unnecessary i get especially in reference to the rest of the video i don't know someone i want to interrupt you from the super chat someone has commented this like six times already and i feel like i'm gonna forget if i don't address it uh wolf avatar the last airbenders three is objectively the worst fight me i haven't actually watched avatar since like it ended i just have a bunch of really fun memories of it but i do remember season two being my favorite with all the buzzing say shit i can't really make a argument for it no because baller won't ever watch it with me we have to set that up we're gonna set up colonial marines we're gonna set up e-faps near enough weekly you're putting too much pressure on me wolf i feel like you hate me i slightly do but only mostly classic dunning kruger effect with h bomb and everyone else you can know one thing and have no clue about another the problem is they need content fair enough oh precious crystal fox boy this is important jay longbone i hopped on after watching bunty c star star star cron two oh yeah the bunty kuk chronicle i oh wait you're not allowed to say kuk in super chat i don't know i well it's yeah it's one of those no no words from the alt alt quote alt right so i guess they're not yeah i saw your videos on that they're amusing i mean i like a lot of videos of very music uh is that the one you dropped out yeah you just went is that the one oh i was saying was that the one where bunty like outright said i'm glad i'm a cop yeah well that was the first one the second one was when he admitted to oh like what eating this girl's asshole out oh yeah that's that's one of the things where it's like that's no he was yeah he was very very like yeah i love it i'll do it all time just like what yeah like there's this face that he made when he said i love eating pussy like it curled up it's like this grinch face i don't man you need to calm down bunty bunty look this is why you don't talk about these things publicly i have not seen the house the jack built anyone know what that is oh yeah it's that it's that uh lars wantrear movie the one people walked out of again oh who lars one yeah it's that he's that director who makes a lot of like these days he makes a lot of those like me so edgy movies he's made such things as melancholia dogville breaking the waves dancer in the dark uh yeah like i have not heard of any of these oh all right what about like the one with willem de fault uh and the fox have you seen like you're fantastic mr fault no wait that doesn't that's a good movie the story follows jack a highly intelligent serial killer over the course of 12 years and depicts the murders that really develop is in a madman all right okay seems interesting uh wolf is lil mcdouch bag wolf uh how do you what do you say to these accusations um well i i was inspired by him so you copied him sorry what i'll definitely you outright copied his scripts weird for weird what yeah exactly that's what i did wow awesome job in the first tfa video more great christmas gift can't wait for the rest also if you're anyone isn't subbed to jarid do it now damn i accidentally read that out promoting jarid i can you know subbing to jarid genesis that's something you should definitely not do do it do it do it they went to jarid do it do it thought some beta fan film i liked it i have not seen it but i don't even know i don't know like is it i'm assuming it's a youtube video then unless yeah i i think so um i i genuinely i've heard of it but i haven't watched it what if i told you anyone can call it garbage i'm assuming that's in reference to thing x is garbage and here's why uh rose is a red quintin gets mad bench appears a racist orange man bad i think i think that's fair all of those statements are true inauthentic nitpicking is less than neutrally malnutricious neutrally malnutricious this is just english salad nitpicking is by definition a derogatory term um isn't it isn't it just to nitpick is to what is the or i you know i haven't got the time to search for the actual like etymology of a word what's what's the what's it called when you look for like the the origin of how a word was created looking up the definition no no no no no because like is it etymology this is a word for like when you look for where it came from it's like a so i feel like someone in chat's gonna say oh is it etymology i could be right on that i'm not sure etymology the study of the origin of words oh yeah there you go so um yeah we'd have to go look at how that's all started so is it research uh you guys watch jarred genesis old videos on christmas please when Christmas is gone we missed it he meant next christmas maybe the video should be called criticism response theory i agree hi she's negative right i mean this is the thing i was curious what she'd have as a position on that one uh he's only negative on uh things well he's not negative on bad things really bad things tlj uh wolf i'd love to see a review of watershed down someone that this is going to be like a meme now isn't it you can't say that wait no sorry what will warship down review was that the first time someone suggested that that could be legitimate i i've this is the first time i've heard this stream is the first time i've heard the name watershed down and forever i think we mentioned it in another refab but that's fair enough uh she can't say that reporter or something oh right that's a reference that should have in my opinion at the end of it t-pose to establish dominance on fake critics holy shit we're only up to the t-pose part i was a bit behind but i can say that cinema sins is not universally negative in their videos because the only reason i saw snow piercer was that their video on it was so positive despite the nitpicking that's interesting like like they they knit well they cinemas in it but then they casually are like by the way this film is amazing i don't know i'd actually see the video be interested in if he's ever done that there's a stain on your door near the light switch like jarrett that is true rags that anal ever considered giving cosmonaut variety hour more of the effap treatment uses the excuse i'm a shill as a shield to deflect bad criticism i mean we did the um the sam ramy videos uh sorry spider-man films one with cj i feel like that's that's good enough but if he made some kind of other crazy you know uh check out sin sins channel he's got a breakdown of um cosmonauts video on video game movie adaptations so uh give that a shot if you want to see more criticism slash risk you know constructive feedback for him we might cover him in the future it would just depend on the video i suppose yeah it's interesting that some people actually really did see snow piercer thanks to cinema sins so uh because sin sins just said he's done it as well now i want to see it just because of the willy walk of it i mean it's i'd like snow piercer it's cool it's crazy though like the movie in general someone tried to burn het door burn door equals effap easter egg discovered hey more happily happy to finally be able to get here life to donate lovey content keep rocking dude thank you i i think that i'm not sure if i've missed a secret message in there um happy to finally be able to get here life to donate get you live that's it i got it i got it guys my brain's still working learn how to talk no i did talk he's felt life when he met live i hate you learn how to speak americans wait why did you sound russian when you said that i don't know how to speak america it was not going for ration accents but i guess it just slipped out take my money love the content looking forward to part two thank you very much it's on the way snake being human breaks the logic of her killing snape to get his wand if she is a human she gets the wand not her master it was a big mistake oh yeah so if the snake they're saying because if you kill a wizard you get their wand right that's how it works you get to control their wand or whatever ownership that's how it works i think that's with the elder wand well i don't think it's still that's still relevant because Snape killed Dumbledore and Voldemort wants to kill Snape to get ownership of the elder wand right this is i can't talk on this because i can't remember my harry potluck i don't remember it's been like two years since i watched the films and i don't it's been i mean i what i read the books back when i was in like the fifth grade when the last one came out so you nerd uh someone wants you to say marcus is dead but i'm assuming in a particular voice oh oh yes ah maybe i should start off then they go to a laboratory for no reason and it's marcus's dad's laboratory i was always super interested in marcus's dad and was and was super surprised when he became can there we go well you know they cut out a little bit but it's all good i think they got the most is dead marcus is dead there you go for future star wars critiques i'd recommend sf s debris's trilogy heroes journey shadows journey and hermit's journey they're fantastic for pts research fair enough satire is implied also holy crap we made it to efab 20 so here's 20 bucks to your dangus thank you salad king and yes uh really is efab 20 what is wrong with us you want to give a a guess for that one seriously what the fuck's up with the with us as people uh anyway best efab ever because we got to look at women that's true that's a reference don't get concerned she has venus flytrap hands molars vids every frame a prize molars vids every frame a prize molars did you consider doing your last vid as two or did you keep as one just to troll people that say your videos are too long i kept them together because it's it's an introduction in in many ways more than just one taking the world building and connecting episodes uh six to seven is almost like what some people consider that meta information as opposed to talking about the film but it's like okay fine i can do that on the outside and then the me assessing the plot leads straight into a nitpick criticism and then i go to like only i want to say like two minutes into the film and then i get to talk about why we talk about objectivity and why it's important so the entire thing is the intro pretty much but it still sets up what's to come which is basically all star wars if that makes sense as for the fucking people saying it's too long i mean if i was concerned about that i i don't think i would have made a 15 hour film review you know just at this point it's if that's what we want to call it uh venus fly trap hands does she start dissecting your does she start digesting your cock when giving a hand job i'll have to drink more rhino ghost milk for protection wonderful at wealth highly recommend alpha alpaca packs careers video it's up there with the arse also good start with the tfa vidmola thank you alpha what uh i'd recommend alpha alpaca packs careers video that's what it says i have no idea who that is uh she could milk implied flies with those hands lily is kind of insane but their animation points were absolutely solid fair enough sugars admitted multiple times at the show doesn't have an overall plan also most of the law gets forgotten each season even the wiki documents this bad critique does not equal the subject is without sin fair enough i beg of you efappers avenge me and my brothers oh yeah that's the uh the implied fly hey guys the rags corpse you gave me is moving you sure that you killed him the noises coming from the basement say otherwise all right he's the creepy guy again he came back yeah he said yeah jarred would eat it unless he's confirmed dead you should shout out my friend lickensy dickens superchats are weird like a nitpicker who nitpicks people nitpicking media she likes sums up this video i suppose yeah you could turn a couple of her criticisms on her i think we did that um a couple times the flies of more door shall rise again you should shout out oh yeah i read that one thank you all for introducing me to ori in the blind forest it's a marvel of a 2d platformer the visuals and music are absolutely stunning it's my favorite game the lord of the rings was your favorite movie it's a game i know i'm fucking with you what do you have to be like tarp wait what press one for morder even though i've never seen his face oh wait but that was from just go to his older videos he has his face on there yeah we've got like a whole list of streams where i was yeah he he's kind of fat i don't know what you mean that means doesn't that mean powerful isn't that what that means no it means you're overweight god damn it huge tube why can't i see your membership link oh well wait is it not in the description i'll be awkward pretty sure i put it in there oh my god did i not actually not put the link in there serious i've been telling people this whole time one moment this is the link to the bed bishops thing if you guys want to use it that'll take you to the thing that says join if those changes are being saved come on all right so now it's in there too wait is that just user yeah gaming user that's the weird thing see apparently we all have a gaming page if we're youtubers do you guys know this i didn't know this you gotta go on youtube gaming specifically apparently i did that once and it was completely worthless it's not something you want to do he's just them trying to compete with um twitch yeah with yeah and it's it's not good just you're better off just like doing a normal stream so yeah use that link use join and then you too can share in the wonderful world of jarogenesis slash happy ghost mollers face reveal see sin sins posted a thingy in there yeah go to mollers stream highlights 8.5 dash the mollar movie god that is a terrible title moller it was satire uh yeah everyone's saying there's no link so that's my bad here's this use this to buy sins sins of rhino to milk you think disney stars will be better off if they never brought ot characters back and just did their own thing i think it would be better if george lucas just didn't sell it i mean you probably agree right it'd be better off we just didn't do the thing at all we just didn't have the movies like you just leave stars alone just let it die with dignity uh ewoks will be an episode nine my sources trustworthy but i can't reveal it in public all right fair enough hey just wanted to say i really appreciate you guys not only if i started to think about media i can sue more but wolf is also going to start reading again after i stop for some time during high school well there you go some positive influence we've got there i just started my new job and got my first paycheck i can now super chat and i've also bought hellblade cheers and happy new year well kiff with hellblade because according to wolf and rags you should spend different amounts of time on it and we haven't got an answer on that yet well look rags is wrong and since he's not here i can destroy him with facts and logic what was it exactly because i'm going to check the how long okay for hellblade well well it took me between five and six hours to complete it on i think i don't remember if there's any difficulty slider or not i think it was just like a normal or whatever if there is a difficulty but i genuinely don't remember um rags was saying it's like an eight to ten hour game and i was like how do you take eight to ten hours to beat that game because like half of it's like really easy puzzles that's interesting so the average time it takes for single players to beat hellblade is seven hours median average so it's between however it's about to say but completionist time takes eight and a half hours they're wrong i was gonna say the average time party is nine hours total for completionist so it is maybe it'll only take you that long it'll only take you that long if you suck remember 343 said that i was gonna be like 15 hours but it was only like four so isn't that just your opinion though no that's an objective fact but isn't that just your objective opinion no no yes we'll just resurrect that conversation whenever things are going too well uh also quick question what was your most disappointing game of 2018 mine was cola cthulhu due to how lackluster and limb dick it was i that would be one of my suggestions honestly where you will uh man there's there's quite a few uh far cry five is one because it was just not good i want to i need to like look up a list of like what games actually came out this year games of 2018 uh yeah far cry five black ops four is shit rise of the oh shadow of the tomb raider um that one was really disappointing because i even like the first two games but the third game is awful i'd say that was probably my least favorite dark souls remastered worthless uh yeah all right and lauren have you played games that suck this year no i'm so poor i can't even play the new shit god damn it we got no sources for a podcast yeah and i don't really play enough games to be able to say this year but i did play cola cthulhu and i was kind of interested in it and it was awful so yeah i was really hyped for it and then moller told me it sucked and it's so bad i was tempted to make a video but i was like nope tfa has to go first uh you guys ever watch that wisecrack youtube channel they put out a philosophy on jr talking video today anyway thanks for keeping me entertained at work oh good lord don't tell me me and i have a feeling that they probably fucked that up if it's about rigs is it going to be something that i'm going to hate to the core of my soul and want to hurt somebody if i watch it white possibly wisecrack have you checked out robot head star wars critiques would love to see him on your next tlj e-fap we did play his video actually at the beginning of this e-fap we promoted him go check out his videos uh on star wars i guess yes we did i still don't like animals in my opinion getting worse what is what you're going with sorry that's the that's the title of this talking video uh which is what sorry i missed the beginning part it's the philosophy of jr or talking why things keep getting worse i don't know if this is something that he said or i don't know it's overwhelmingly well liked but we know how that kills oh and for clarification cool cthulhu is the one that came out this year that was like an fps horror game that i can't remember who was made by but um it wasn't a pixeloppy gwe players cthulhu no something else um do you know the channel film joy i think we've film joy has been requested for the tlj video they made but other than that i don't really know do a video from lacking saint eric taxons buddy uh who's i don't think i've ever heard of lacking saint i'm curious yeah i've never heard of this person oh wait they're the one that made the sky high video that's interesting connection if they are buddies maybe they're the two they're gonna make the video on me who knows thanks for literally covered film joy on e-fap wait have we let me have a look oh it's movies with mickey oh that's movies with mickey oh yeah it is okay i didn't realize he was called film joy i actually thought that the channel name was movies with mickey gotcha yeah okay well we covered him in the second e-fap maybe third i can't remember but um sinsons of course points out it's the guy who wrote alien that needs to be said every time um thanks for complimenting my name you had another great e-fap i'm amused you didn't catch my Jared reference in the first but anyway guys i hope you all have a great evening have it on have this gal on have this gal on oh the one we're covering i guess and yeah um if you say but anyway guys we all don't even need to recognize that that's the strong Jared meme how would a dick fit in a fairy that's that was well that was worth super chatting she's not a literal fairy it's just someone that doesn't die and they describe it as a fairy in the book oh you're a big fairy yeah well if you ever consider doing a let's play of or in the blind forest or a will of the wisps when it releases i mean i've considered it but i also just don't even know if i'm gonna be making youtube videos anymore so yeah there's no way you're not gonna alert the whole chap i say that people are gonna start saying loads of things now all my super chats made said to the type i said them of course of course 100% late to the party hope everyone has a good 2018 thank you wolf might well wolf mightn't have the word dick in westeros oh god don't bring that up again i don't want to think i don't need any more flashbacks from um fuck what was the name of the fifth book uh dammit moller help me out here the fifth book wins a winter no that that's a six but that's the one he refuses to write okay hold on beast for crows no that's the worst one a dance of dragons that's our no feast of crows is the one where surcy has that weird uncomfortable lesbian scene that's your opinion well those two books in particular those two books in particular they're just like stop making these sex scenes um i demand a counter raid on app events channel i mean if he's he's live and there's a way to do that in twitch you could type like slash host and then you could raid but i've never done it when you tell me no idea what works hey wolf prior your prior hints at an upcoming video on the gray made me watch it and i loved it so thank you and happy new year everybody no yep the gray is a great movie uh he has money to buy alpharn omega five for wolf to review because physics physics physics alpharn omega five was that oh god i'm getting vietnam flashbacks out okay no first live have somebody i've got two superchats left i'm so excited nearly done it three now okay i've been creepy to you guys enough today i love you fab i usually don't get to watch these live in fact i've watched you guys at one point five speeds so much that you guys sound drunk at normal speed okay fair enough i need a new student that's the creepy guy right that's the creepy guy so his first time being on here live and i'm just gonna creep the shit out of him you cut out of the strangest times first time i'm on your nut yeah he was just thinking to himself oh man it's my first time what do i say creepy oh i did it again didn't it oh i like i like saw my profile picture not lighting up green and i was like i'll say it against the mother time sorry um i need a new steam name disintegrated woof either goat nyquil yeehaw or rhino milk with women what don't even it should be but anyways guys yeah that should definitely be it that's the so then when you're playing like call of duty or something it'll be like but anyways guys killed you i love you tfa bit more looking forward to the next one thank you uh 2018 has been a rough year for me but discovering you guys have been a highlight thank you we're glad to bring entertainment slash happiness to anyone and everybody we we do actually like to not be mean all the time as people might portray us here's money spank me that's the last the last one people in the chat are like keep spamming him so we can't leave so um i mean you know there's we got this there's there's one more meme video to see and that's what we're gonna do now okay even if this is super chat we're moving on oh man i need to i clicked out of the watch together hold on you awful human uh oh god i didn't want to hear that again grab that put that big thing off do this and here we go carry the fucks with the kids and yes oh god this one everybody welcome to oh fuck once again every frame of pause be fat so i realized i already lost a lot of the title of the video don't worry we're gonna stay that's a great response a review is nothing more than a description of an experience no it's not it is my opinion that two plus two equals four all right that is not how you make the possessive form of my name my name is not rag my name is have you fuck up a four letter name here's video yeah you get to just wanted to make sure that you got to spend a long time looking at kwinton's incredibly punchable phase so that your anger could bubble and rise throughout the world is that a cold violence i'm gonna have to throw a pause everyone's so well just in case for copyright shit i know that this is not an argument but why is it that every single person that defends the last Jedi looks like this it's just like some scrawny fucking middle-aged man so we're fucking dick oh god this part the problem is that his thesis statement is essentially that other people are not allowed to disagree with his opinion bullshit yeah i don't think rags said that but go ahead show me a clip show me a clip quinton because his opinion is on a higher playing field than yeah this is why clinton this is this is quite a fucking scumbag yeah he's a piece of shit yeah quinton's a piece of shit this is the kind of i love the idea of patrick will try to help quinton like we could defeat efem so cheap thing that the piece of shit does people like quinton they don't seek to understand it's not a they don't value the pursuit of knowledge in the same way to just to say that i think they'd use the elevator music that i had someone said capitalism ho and his name is capitalism ho quinton can come in with his big ass brain and his compensation and his yellow tee i'm sorry proposition to paul sonny quinton doesn't have the capacity for a lot of he doesn't have the capacity for a lot of things as we've already seen you know we'll just add that to the pile a fucking hate trump fuck you quinton if you're going to tell me that i should watch a five-hour rant by some angry guy on youtube i love that it picked up the mario death music can quote me on this because i stand by it 110 the last jedi is an objectively poorly made film but you can still enjoy them whatever themes you want to pull from the movie have at it man and you can enjoy it i'm not sure what's happening in the metaphorical place here it's like is is patrick defeating efab you're gonna cut efab in half look i'm happy because at least my hairline isn't bad i have to keep reminding people that i'm not enough to you but you know people have whatever the fuck they want if i remember correctly this doesn't actually this doesn't stop when it goes to something uh ah and i am the best with my mother at wal-mart the clearest rack for the cars with my cringe lord brother in cringe lord my room is very messy because women do not stay here this this new track by the penguin is whoa what's this one desondered wolf versus oh i did i mean you know we'll we'll throw it on potential for next time this is gonna say fucking hell like i just want to watch it i'm gonna watch it on my own then that's so in conclusion god efab is actually insane like you just get to the point we realize this like what the hell is this podcast um so god all the people that don't know who jared is see that and be like what has happened i mean if you just went and came in for the super chats and then that video what the hell would you say this podcast even is i don't know i don't know how you do that but um what the purpose today was to cover the bad media criticism video which i think we managed to pull off pretty well and it was fun commenting on all these crazy things with with our special guest today which was jay longbone would you like to try and sell your channel to to the current audience see if you can get them to say hey you should come over and check your channel out oh well yeah my channel is a just a cavalcade of different things like i criticize a lot of shit like it doesn't matter what it is as long as it um as long as it's within my within the acceptable ranges of fringe and i will react to it like movies just regular youtube videos movie trailers anything and you know i think i do a pretty decent job of that i mean a good intro would probably be the quintin one just because they're aware of quintin stupidity so they'll be like oh yeah yeah yeah i did yeah i did a video on quintin and uh it did i kind of well i don't want to say it blew it blew up it blew up for me but yeah i think it came out pretty well and you guys might want to check that out mm-hmm he's a he's a he's a cringe mine he keeps doing more things as well like you cover it you think like this is this is where he'll square off and be noble it's like no it's still going he can't help it he just can't help it we've not seen the last of this motherfucker oh yes um he just won't go away i just realized i should check for memes in case we've got any more um it's this one there's this one wolf depending on how much you appreciate i'll put it on the screen oh hold on well that's enough for me just constitute putting it on i suppose that's just like a little off-center hell um but yeah i think that about wraps it up if anybody wants to uh say oh wait i'll just get that one i have to believe there are lost Jedi fans who realize Patrick and Quentin are really fucking stupid but every day it gets harder and harder to believe Gareth is a beautiful fallen angel we must nurture and cherish for fallen angel oh you mean like he's fallen from anywhere i mean he's fallen from the chromosome tree but he's come from somewhere better than here there's no way Gareth wasn't in our universe it's not possible came from a different dimension but um yeah thank you everybody for being extremely kind with the donations and supportive of of not only the the fab channel but my main channel as well this will be archived on the moola channel i don't know how many of you are aware of its existence or not but um yeah it's just it's just moola it's easy to find it's in the description as well but um yeah no uh wolf lauren would you like to say anything either of you fly lives matter of course and uh quintons lips still look like an elk elk vagina it's good that's what you went first because it's just like you know what that means you probably have a lot of information on that side of biology and we'll know to we'll know to ask you questions about that if it ever comes up yeah like i don't know what an actual elk vagina looks like but i'm pretty sure it looks like his mouth it's fair um but yeah thank you all for for watching i'm releasing an audio commentary on christmas eve rags his videos hopefully gonna be out within i guess the week and uh ifap will come back in 2019 now you know of course a late maddie christmas and an early happy new year folks to the pippa cheerio bye peep peep doodly dude that was gay wolf