 Welcome back. Time to go through the pages of the National Daily's interesting headlines on the front pages. So, look at them. We have our public affairs analyst, Ezekiel and I took, architect Ezekiel and I took join us this morning. Good morning to you architect. Thanks for your time. Good morning. Always a pleasure to be with you. There's a title I had for you, but I'll just keep it offline for now. But we'll discuss that later. All right. Please stand by while we go through the headlines this morning. We start with a punch in the zipper with these following headlines. The big one there, APC, Exco, Governors, Divided Over Buhari's Succession Plan, Screening Report, Ready Today. And we are monitoring the Governors meeting. All we kept hearing was deadlock, deadlock, deadlock. We thought they're going to reconvene later. Looking forward to that to see what will happen. The kickers to that story or that headline, Picking a Successor Risky Will Rubbish President's Legacies, Northwest Vice-Chairman of the APC. President Won't Come, Impose Candidates, Says Wajibah or Shebaja Group, Bax Consensus, Akandei or Shoba to Meet Southwest Governors. Tiddable Group Wants Against Wrong Candidacy. Quite intriguing there. Nigeria, Spain, signed nine MOUs on criminal matters. Others. A picture of the president right there in Spain alongside the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Spanish officials. At the top of that front page, Insecurity, Local Foreign Companies, withdraw 69% of investment projects. Details on page 19. Iron Equal Men's Low Turnout, Says 20 Million PVCs Unclaimed. How about that? Primate Subduction, Army Denies Complicity, Experts' Demand Probe, Dislushed Terrorists from Northeast, Recruiting Massively in Kaduna, Theatre Commander. Right. More from the Paper Renewable Energy Investment Potential in Nigeria, $104 Billion According to the UK. Ligas Ports Collapsing, West African Cargo, Diversion Imminent. Wow. Details on page 25. Federal Government Deploys Response Teams, As Lassa Fever Kills, 153. Custom Seas, 828 Bags of Foreign Rice, Others in Benin, Ligas. Job Crisis Police, Beef Up Security, Around Quarra School. There we go again. Couple, Three Children, Die in Ondo Crash, Five Killed in Benin Market. Okada Riders, Ligas Roads, Police in Pound 140, Motorcycles, Arrest Passengers. And we have Oil Marketers, Running at Loss. Multiple Government Oversight Forex-affecting Business, MD 11 PLC, saying that one there. There's headlines coming in on the punch newspaper. To the nation this morning, the big headline, 2023 President, It's South's Turn. After Buhari says Ayadeh, that's in the nation newspaper, Ayadeh Governor of Cross River State, who himself is an aspiring to pick the 100 Millionaire form for president in the APC. 2023 President, It's South's Turn. After Buhari says Ayadeh. White Consensus, Presidential Candidate, is not enrolling party's interest by National Working Committee member. And there is a quote there saying, Doning was adopted to ensure an egalitarian and equitable power sharing. I'm sure it's that NWC member saying that. Still With The Nation, PDP Delegate shares 7 Millionaire with Community, Pays for Indigent Pupils. PDP Delegate shares 7 Millionaire with Community, Pays for Indigent Pupils. Ministry Director, Forfeits Vasti Hotel Factory, Court Rules on EFCC Suite. Nigeria, Spain Seek Global Action Against Food Crisis. Hwariopun School Shot Last Year Over Hijab Crisis. And final one from the paper, Native Doctor Health Over Anambra Lawmakers Beheading. Never Saw That Coming. Let's go over to the leadership newspaper with the following headlines. And the bold story there has the kicker, APC Front Runners. And the headline, Terbu O'Shibajo, Lawan Ameichi Bello for others may be shortlisted. APC Stakeholders Kick Against Consensus Option as Buhari tips O'Shibajo as party's flag bearer. And that is in quotation marks. So we should know that. Southeast Leaders Backed Lawan for Presidential Ticket. But sometimes you see the headlines from these papers, you wonder if they are true. Southeast Leaders Backed Lawan for Presidential Ticket. More from the paper, Inflation, FG to Convein, Food Security Council Meeting. FEC OKS, NNPC, ECOWAS's Nigeria-Morocco Gas Pipeline Deal. And FIRS Begains Recovery of Unremitted Unremitted Attacks Reductions by State Local Governments. Another 166 Nigerians stranded, a stranded Nigerians returned from Libya. Native Doctors 17 Knapped Over Beheading of Anamra Lawmaker in 2023. Obasanjo Mobilizes South Against Zatiku Once-Par-Shift. And finally, let's look at the headlines on the front page of the Daily Independent. My victory is for Nigerians suffering a PC misrule. Atiku is the big story on the front page of The Independent. My victory is for Nigerians suffering a PC misrule. Atiku, PDP will take over from colorless, clueless government IU vows. FEC OKS, 14 Billion Naira for Nigeria-Morocco Gas Pipeline Others. Approves 8.315 Billion Naira for Pleased Vehicles, Raincoats, Medical Supplies, Africa Money, Oga de Chapam Fuka Fuka. FIRS Threatened States Local Governments Over Unremitted Attacks Reductions, Fan Moves to Install Airfield Lighting at Legal Domestic Runway. We saw a headline yesterday indicating that the pilots had complained about the failing lighting on the international runway. This is talking about the domestic runway. Lagos Okadaban, Commuters Recount Experiences as Enforcement Begins. APC Presidency Primary, Lawn Ice Consensus, Candidacy and FG Ready to Address Rising Cost of Food Minister. And finally from that paper, Buhari Picking Successor May Rubbish Image, APC Party Shifting Warns. Let's start with the story that is in all the papers. The succession plan of Mr. President, the Northwest Vice Chairman of the party is saying that picking a successor will rubbish the legacies of President Muhammad Buhari. What are your thoughts on what he is saying? I'd like to take on issues from what I call first principles. And that is that every Nigerian, every group, every association, they have the fundamental rights of either expression or association. They can say what they want, they can associate with whoever they want. So my analysis of the thought of another person is to the extent where I think that such a thought has a relevant impact on me. But for me, the bigger picture is to what extent do we analyze the thought of others relative to the capital issue on the table, which is that we have a country that has been run aground, and that we owe this country the duty and responsibility of recruiting a competent CEO to lead us from where we are, having achieved that ignoble, you know, tag of being the poverty capital of the world, looking at the sufferings of the people, looking at how everything is going south. This morning I read an analysis on our debt profile and the fact that maybe sometime in 2026 we may be using 100% of our resources to service debt. These are the issues that should dominate the headlines and the analysis should be who is the most competent. Any group of people are at liberty to play politics that will favor them. But as nationalists, at this point in time when parties are choosing their standard bearers, we owe it to this nation to put pressure on the parties to look for the most competent, most qualified, most capable. We should have put up all the profiling indices so that we start to benchmark all of them. And parties will now do the internal, you know, body search, you know, soul searching to see who fits the image that has been created by the nation. If not so, we're going to wake up in the next few days and the windows are fast closing. The APC window is closed. The PDP, sorry, the PDP window is closed. The APC window is what we're all deliberating right now. And yet another party paraded 12 Nigerians. When they gave their resume, it was impeccable. If probably one of the world class, you know, recruitment agencies was asked to look at the peculiar situation of Nigeria and recruit a competent CEO out of 10 to be shortlisted. A minimum of three will be in what ADC, African Democratic Congress, two hours on national network and brought out 12 people to make a pitch to all Nigerians. That is something unprecedented. It has never happened. And yet it was, you know, like, it's something I'd expected the media to say, guys, the rest of you, let's see what you're doing. And then the media to have picked these people and magnified their profiles so as to put pressure on others. But I'm happy that certain Nigerians were bold enough to step out of the two so-called big parties and talking about Alarji Kwan-Kwaso to put up the NNPC and then my brother and friend, Peter, will be to go into labor party. We now have the likes of Chuka Moye, somebody that the nation needs to go and check the profile. You know, somebody like Chueh Dumebi Kachiku, our man, Professor Kings Limohalu, these are people on the platform of ADC. These are the sort of conversations I want to talk about and not to come and say, oh, you should go to the North. I like that. You should come to the South for the sake of equity. Let me say this. While I think that the Southeast have been saying it from the beginning, they have stars. I find it so difficult why a man like Professor Kings Limohalu is not so highlighted, so celebrated, so pushed forward. Nigerians, you wanted a competent person. Tell me if this man is not competent. Tell me. Anyway, in the world, you can't look down on such a person. But the South Easterners are not doing that. They say, oh, it's our turn. It's our turn. I mean, do they understand what politics is? Sometimes it beats me hollow. You know, there's a definition. Should it be Southeast, should it be Igboz? Because people in the Niger Delta, like Asaba, who are predominantly Igboz-speaking and everything, we say, no, they are not Igboz. And I'm wondering, who are they? They say, no, we don't want Igboz. We now want Southeast. This confusion needs to be addressed so that the likes of how do you where Kachiku may be, and then you are not Igboz or you are not Southeast. I think we need to really sit down and redefine our governance parameter. So whatever these people are saying, I'm happy for them. But for me, who can rescue Nigeria? That's my biggest headache today. President will be helping matters by picking a successor. He's asked for a list of names. You know, on the issue of the successor for Mr. President, I really want Nigerians to sit down and be very objective and realistic. Has Mr. President done so well that he needs somebody that will continue how well he has done? The jury's out there. Has Mr. President finished his term and has a patriot as a nationalist, as one who belongs to all and belongs to none. He set a level playing ground first in his party so that whosoever is preferred by his party picks the ticket and he carries the same hand to come to Nigeria. And he wants his party. You guys, you better make sure you get the most competent because they are going to face other Nigerians and the ground is going to be level. So a PC now knows that guy, there's going to be a level playing ground. We better be sure of who we are going to pick because unlike before, when we used to have a window of effectively one month, which is January to campaign, today we have a minimum of six months. And within these six months, narratives are going to be redefined. We are going to look at the profiles of the people involved. We are going to do the thorough analysis of their backgrounds, of their policies. We are going to subject them to such rigors. That is why I'm happy that a party like AGC is there because if you look at the top three, top four by my own analysis of the candidates or the aspirants of AGC, any of them can hold out their own strong, strong and put up formidable defense and offense in pushing for why they should be made the next president of Nigeria. I also have, because this is an analysis that I'm supposed to be a general analyst and not a pantheon professor. I also have friends in, look at, in SDP, I think most likely my friend Wale Adewale is going to pick the ticket. Listen to that guy, he is cerebral. He is informed. He is experienced. You know, I had an interview with, I think it was one of these papers, I think it was the Guardian long time ago, I think sometime in 2007. And they made a major blunder that has redefined a lot of things. When they were interviewing me, they quoted me as saying that we need someone with elephant experience. And that is not what I said. What I said was relevant experience. But it sounded like elephant. It's all relevant. But you take the two. Nigerians keep talking about experience, experience, experience. He has been a commissioner. He has been a minister. He has been a this, a that. These are experience in failure. They are experience in bureaucracy. They are experience in politics and not governance. Today, Nigerians need people that have experience in how to bring water out of the rock. They want people who have experience in getting something out of nothing. They want people who have experience in baking and not in taking. These are bakers. They are not bakers. So when it comes to relevant experience, these are the sort of people you are looking at. You put a guy like a young boy, a young guy, not boy. Like Chuku Kamoye. You see what he's made from his industry. All right. Look at a man like you. You cannot but respect. Architects. On the Nigerian stage, it's area of co-competence. Architects, I do agree with you. These are the people that Nigerians need. Architects, I do agree with you. You have to be general. I don't understand that you are speaking about those who you know easily. You know who you have associated with. But of course indeed, we have other parties like you rightly said. I would also like to inform you that the STP elected former Anambra senatorial, central senator, Beniza Ikeina, as your presidential candidate, is a third republic legislator. You know there's been some crisis rocking the party. I don't know which faction our frame belongs to, but Beniza Ikeina is the one who has been announced as the party's presidential candidate, held a primary in Abuja on Tuesday. Let's see what happens. Because remember, even in 2019, don't know Duke had challenges when he won the primary of that party. But quickly, let's go, let's stick with the punch in newspaper and look at a very warring headline. This is, on the front page of the punch in newspaper, saying that with the security situation in the country, local and foreign companies have withdrawn 69% of the investment projects. This is really warring, wouldn't you say? Extremely so and unfortunately I would say not unexpected. You see, we played so much emphasis on politics and we forget the fundamentals of running a government, fundamentals of foreign direct investment and that one of the most fundamental of the fundamentals is peace and security and we've allowed this to just keep dragging and dragging and we think in terms of foreign investment is like we are playing the ostrich and it is very sad and very, very disturbing. We need somebody that will be able to come and understand the of peace, of unity, of stability in development, in foreign direct investment. So this field that are selling off is not because Nigeria is one of the most fertile markets. Nigeria is one of the most interesting places to, we don't only have the population, we have the people when I say the people Nigerians are extremely friendly almost to a fault. We are intelligent, we are, you know, all the dynamics you need in a place for you to invest in, they are resident in Nigeria. What we just need is a man who understands governance, who understands the dynamics of fairness of equity, who sits down and realizes that all fingers are not equal but every finger is a finger and they feed from the mainstream of the body. This finger is not as tall as this but it's not complaining because it's being honored. This is slimmer and it's not even bothered because it's united and it's accepted. Once we understand the principles of the finger and the body and extrapolate it with nationhood, then we'll have every section being happy and accommodated being, you know, helped to maximize their potentials. At that point, the unity that will be created brings about the inevitable commitment which is peace and that is the bedrock, the foundation for foreign direct investment. So that companies are living should really give Mr. President a course for alarm. Choosing a successor should not be his brief occupation at this time when he's exiting. He wants to exit on a setting record that people like Peter O'Beeby, when he left he went to central area to Supreme Court and saw and have been ready to the things he left behind and those things have defined him years after they are coming to start to speak for him. So I think that Mr. President should look at that headline again and really ask himself is this what I really want to be remembered for? That it was at the twilight of my exit that companies started running out of Nigeria. Mr. President is currently in Spain and Spanish capital Madrid and he's agreed to host a global tourism event which would mean that tourism organizations and professionals around the world will converge in Nigeria. Probably this is one of the ways to restore the confidence of the investing community in the country. But we stick with the politics of the day and stick with the points in the newspaper. We've been hearing get your PVC, get your PVC, go and get registered and the record show that we've had an increasing percentage of voter apathy and low voter turnout in the recent election. So the highest number of registered voters ever in the history of the country was recorded in 2019 and we had the lowest percentage of turnout of registered voters in 2019. It's been increasing over the years higher and higher and more people choose to stay at home. Today on the front page of the points in the newspaper the INEC chairman is lamenting is saying that 20 million PVC's are unclaimed. Are we really ready for the elections as a people when we hear such statistics? You see we are so I said this before and I say it again if you have a car and you are a driver your windscreen is from end to end the sides and top to bottom the front, you know end to end your windscreen is to cover the wall of the car. You don't see any other thing except the windscreen and yet there is a second, you know, object that object is called rearview mirror. It's just a little bit a little bit, you know, on top there. Just tiny little fraction less than 5% of the size of the windscreen but we choose to run our lives with the rearview mirror looking at the back, back, back there is a document on ground called the new electoral act that is what will define 2023. I want INA Chairman not to lose sleep. Nigerians are going to rush those PVCs. They will collect all and those who have not registered are going to regret they did not register. Do you know why? Because for the first time that particular you know this new electoral act has given a window of campaign of over six months some of us are in the race and what we are going to do is take on issues. Number two we're going to tell you why one you have a choice before it used to be between six and half it does it just two parties and that's it. Now you have a choice. You have several parties secondly you have the time we in the new parties are going to comb the nooks and crannies of Nigeria and we're going to wake up the youths. We're going to activate a base that has been hitherto dominant. Those people who have been saying I don't need to waste my time they will write their result, they will do whatever they want to do why am I going to go out and endorse what does it make sense to me. They had a point but now they are going to say wow Ngaetog is on the race good did you hear what he said how about the other person. There's going to be analysis for the next six months and before elections come we are going to have the highest turnout that has ever been because there are going to be credible candidates that people like and there's going to be time for people to go around and converse for vote and enlighten the people we don't leave it to the parties again we are seizing the initiative. We're going to activate the corporate Nigeria. Tell them the prognosis of having a leader that makes sense so that their businesses don't go out and why they should put their money where their mouth is. They are going to come on board we're going to activate the young people that either you've been treated as people who are toothless bull dogs that you only sit on the social media and rant come out and show them now that you have the power and they are going to come out. We're going to go to the faith-based organizations and say that the division between them is caused by politicians bring people who are unifiers and they are going to bring a level playing ground for all of you to practice your religion while the state focuses on the development of the people. We're going to go into all these things and things are going to be good so I have learned to use the windscreen. Yes from time to time you look at because the Bible talks about keeping abreast of the facts. You know one of my best scriptures in the Bible, a business, if you read it, it's like you know something from Harvard business textbooks. It says any enterprise is built on wise planning it is sustained through common sense and profits wonderfully by keeping abreast of the facts that's proven 24, 3 and 4 I love it so we need a real mirror to keep abreast of the facts but there's going to be wise planning there's going to be common sense 2023 is going to be the most exciting year you can keep this step and play back after that election and then you call me a prophet and that my father called me Ezekiel, not for nothing. Thank you very much. You didn't tell us what version of the Bible it is whether it's new living translation or amplified version because I would like to check it up but indeed it's a new living translation the old version King James says by wisdom it's a house built there by understanding it's filled with this but when you read the living translation it says any enterprise proven 24 3 and 4, any enterprise is built on wise planning it is sustained through common sense and profits wonderfully by keeping abreast of the fact that is what I'm employing in my politics and guide is working. Interesting we are on the same wavelength if it's the NLT let's now we've entered religion let's stay there because the punch is informing us, given as the latest on and I know you you'll be aware of the office of the prelate of Methodist Church in Nigeria with your state, Acquired Boom State God's Own State having produced one of the most successful and legendary prelate in the history of Methodist Church in Nigeria, His Eminence Dr. Sunday Imban the office of the prelate is revered I'm sure you're aware of that already and it was quite a shock to many to hear that the current prelate of Methodist Church in Nigeria, His Eminence Dr. Samuel Kalu Uche had been kidnapped and was kidnapped as then for 24 hours now he was released he came out after the Abia State Governor had released a statement saying that he was released due to the grace of God the fervent prayers of the Christian community and well coordinated response of security agencies in Abia State the man came out to say nobody coordinated nothing I paid 100 million to the ransom that was raised by the church and that's how we secured our release there was no involvement of the military it was nothing but it made some very serious allegations probably of connivance or involvement of soldiers in the whole industry of kidnapping in that part of the country the Niger army has released a statement through its public relations denying complicity and also saying they will be reaching out to His Eminence to interface with him a lot of reactions mostly condemnation of the military's response and statement by some Nigerians and experts are also demanding a probe of the entire incident what are your thoughts on this the headline from the punch is prelate subduction, army denies complicity experts demand probe two things the first is that my parents, both parents are Methodists so you can see that it hit me or where Methodist it hit me personally and like you said one of the most successful most revered, you know, prelate of the Methodist church who had become the leader of the world body is from Akwaibomi he happens to be my father I would call him that prelate mbang so for me it was very personal secondly you know a lot of times I sit down and I listen to people on television and it takes my wife to tell me close your mouth you know, I honestly can't understand how these people think that Nigerians are dumb that Nigerians are stupid that Nigerians don't have an understanding of what is going on and I want to salute the courage of the prelate who has lived onto that bidding of being a man of God who couldn't care less whose ox is God but must speak the truth truth to power you want to take the credit for what you did not do a guy gets in there you do nothing, next to nothing the man is released he was released through prayers and coordinated responses and he works that and you're expecting the man to be so cowed to keep quiet do you know what the 100 million is do you know what it's called I know the Methodist church what it means for people to rally around and raise such a man because they say a prelate cannot be put in there for one more day they know what has happened to the people the train kidnapped people they know how the main man came out they know how he came out he paid 100 million the others are still there this well coordinated response we are still waiting for it my daughter Liesha Ribu is still in captivity she's going through hell and all the others where is this well coordinated prayer this is I believe in prayers, I don't believe in that because if not for prayers something could have happened before the man was even released there are so many people that you go somewhere along the line and just misunderstand or this would take those things that turn their head and before they could say God must have kept that man for the time of rescue for the time of rescue so I think that we should please treat Nigerians with a certain level of respect for their intellect and I don't blame them, sometimes we Nigerians have become neighbors that we see a man appear on television and he's wearing a dark color dress that I'm wearing and he says this is white and we're looking and keeping quiet these are the sort of things that I think that Nigerians should get off the organized private sector the faith based organizations let's stop running commentaries and start setting agenda those are two different things we've run enough commentaries 2023 is coming go behind that candidate that you know makes sense give him or give her a call I said I want to support you I want to stand with you, I want to be your voice don't wait and see I'm looking for people to say you make sense and I want to support you not only me there are very many good people coming in if I fail it will be such a major discouragement to people who say don't get involved in politics is dirty can't you see what happened to Nyaito but my success will ginger the rest of the people say no let's get involved look at how they run it behind Nyaito let's get the same would be a cup a bottle of fizzy drink that is dark and the dark part is just I'll bring this the dark part is just a little part of it it's black here and you keep pouring more water water as it goes up it gets lighter because more clean water is entered a time comes when you may not even know that there was a dark substance there the more clean people that come into politics the more they are able to change the narratives please don't if you cannot get in there get somebody to support today there's somebody that you know that you believe in whether it's in a small party is irrelevant be the structure that that person needs and 2023 would be a pleasant surprise for Nigeria where we turn the bend and start to move in the right direction this is my prayer, my hope and my expectation alright architect Nyaito what are the dangers and should we not just be worried about the increasing insecurity in the country and the cases of attacks and kidnappings, abductions, killings but also the enrichment of these organized criminals what are the dangers of hundreds of millions of narrows finding the way into the hands of organized criminals it's one question that we really really need to understand it become an enterprise that it will need a combination of the grace of God and a committed government you sit down you pick one man and you make a hundred million you pick another man, just one person you make ten million how many cows will you sell to make 100 million Naira profit this has become such a lucrative enterprise but look at the flip side of it it's something such a terrible evil wind that will cripple the nation and empower the terrorists so the essence of government chapter 2 section 14 subsection 2b says that the security and welfare of the people shall be the primary purpose of government shall security welfare of the people so this enterprise is such a terrible cancer but it's such a lucrative cancer that these people they can recruit you know there's this person that I can't remember I'm just saying but I can't pick out the name that throws things to people you know and it steals and distributes Robin Wood yeah they are starting to buy the goodwill of the people in their localities and it's terrible they are being proactive they are getting the people behind them and we are government no the people must not see them as their saving grace the people must see them as their enemies one of the things that Hitler did which was indoctrination was so good that a child in primary school will tell you that the Jews are a problem they were so indoctrinated that a child in primary school will tell you the Jews are a problem the Jews are a problem call it indoctrination call it anything we need to bring back MAMSA we need to bring back national orientation agency as the most important ministry in Nigeria more than finance more than works more than petroleum to start a massive engagement with the people to the extent where we have our minds re-oriented towards nationalism that's when we start to build Nigeria interesting that you've talked about the terrorists being empowered with millions possibly billions of Naira and how they can use it to people from different parts of the country to join them to their side and the punch has a headline that really highlights this on the front page of the punch it says dislodged terrorists from the north east recruiting massively in Kaduna theater commander Major General Christopher Moosa for North East operation Hardinkai I give an interview with with the Punch newspaper taking advantage of poverty to recruit massively in Kaduna according to the army theater commander Major General Christopher Moosa for North East operation Hardinkai I give an interview with with the punch newspaper taking advantage of poverty to recruit massively to recruit massively in Kaduna State. So this is what you were just talking about, you've been vindicated. Exactly, it is the truth. And that's because the government has failed to understand their primary purpose. You know, there's something that Professor Ben Ayadeh said yesterday or some about two days back. He said as a governor, you don't need to do anything when you get into government because your works don't speak for you. All you need to do is just sit down and mask wealth, and mask wealth, and mask wealth, and mask wealth. And when you want to go for a reelection, distribute the money because nobody talks about performance. That statement is one statement that we the nice private sector should look at. We the nationalists should look at. We the patriots should look at. It's a sad truth. It's a sad truth. That is why I'm happy that we have a window of at least six months of campaign. And I want to believe that we will get that support from Nigerians to be able to talk, to be able to engage. You'll be able to say, so that they'll say, yeah, I don't say this. What are you saying? So I think that we need to come to a stage where we understand what is going on. If we cannot provide security, and then these people come and provide you security. They become the alternate government that is believed if we cannot give you jobs to do. And this will come from the stupendous wealth they've gotten from killing others. They're able to give you means of livelihood. The first law addresses survival. So you're gonna see that it's like young people in a crime when we talk of calls and occult and things like that. And I make it very clear. I'm not going to sit here and cast together young people that are into the cult because I know why they're getting there in the first place. That's where they find friendship. That's where they find accommodation. That's where nobody wants to be in the bush. Give them decent jobs. They would rather be normal human being. Nobody want to be a cultist. No right thinking person. But that's where they're finding love. That's where they're finding accommodation. So instead of casting, getting them, calling them all sorts of names, let them address their problems and they will willingly come out. But don't tell them they are responsible, they are lazy youth, they are, it's not true. They are human beings who just feel I need to survive, okay? It might not be, I mean, I will not endorse what they are doing, but I will have to provide an alternative for them. And then they will willingly come out and become normal. Nobody wants to be a cultist. Nobody wants to be in the forest. Nobody wants to be carrying guns and chewing things that you know will endanger your life tomorrow. Give them a means of livelihood and they will tell you that they are human beings. Okay, all right. Interesting. Thank you so much for your time, Ezekiel, I took. And of course, we hope to have you. Robin Hood, Robin Hood. Yes, Robin Hood. I mentioned that, yes indeed. It's understandable in this period of politics in your, you know, lost face sticking up. I wish you all the best. Thanks so much, sir. All right, all right. And that's the size of the press for today. We'll be back in a jiffy with a first major conversation, but let's take a look at what happened today in history.